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Posted: 8/9/2019 12:48:30 PM EDT
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Hope it's good stuff. Supposed to be loaded to M193 velocity.
Did I make a good purchase? Edited |
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Thanks.
I see they had problems 6 months ago.. but it looks like it's full powered 5.56 stuff and I'm sure just limited to a few lots.( Which are most likely not one of the ones in my purchase) I'm happy with my purchase. I can cancel but I won't. |
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I would cancel the order op You would be better off with wolf or even Tula I reload, so I can pull a few of the bullets and weigh the powder, check the cases in a gauge, take measurements etc I usually buy factory ammo to put away for SHTF and just use reloads for practice . Sounds like this stuff is loaded very hot and AFAIK, this sort of thing happens on occasion; especially when using full power loads. This is the reason why they crimp primer pockets. If I find something wrong, I'll contact Hornady. I'm not going to sweat this |
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Quoted: I'm tempted to but I think I'm going to get the ammo and examine a few of the rounds closely. I reload, so I can pull a few of the bullets and weigh the powder, check the cases in a gauge, take measurements etc I usually buy factory ammo to put away for SHTF and just use reloads for practice . Sounds like this stuff is loaded very hot and AFAIK, this sort of thing happens on occasion; especially when using full power loads. This is the reason why they crimp primer pockets. If I find something wrong, I'll contact Hornady. I'm not going to sweat this |
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Quoted: I'm tempted to but I think I'm going to get the ammo and examine a few of the rounds closely. I reload, so I can pull a few of the bullets and weigh the powder, check the cases in a gauge, take measurements etc I usually buy factory ammo to put away for SHTF and just use reloads for practice . Sounds like this stuff is loaded very hot and AFAIK, this sort of thing happens on occasion; especially when using full power loads. This is the reason why they crimp primer pockets. If I find something wrong, I'll contact Hornady. I'm not going to sweat this Good luck you'll need it |
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Quoted: So how do you check for bad brass?? Good luck you'll need it The brass is probably LC. Also, like was mentioned in the other thread, this started happening a year ago. I'm sure they've corrected the problem a while ago; otherwise they ( Hornady and the vendors who sell it like PSA) are opening themselves to lawsuits. Not doubting there were some problems but they were most likely involving a very small percentage of the ammo produced; otherwise you would have heard of widespread problems.( Not a handful of guys out of how many rounds produced?) |
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It’s your funeral The OP in the other thread, didn't have his case blow until 100 rounds. Powders are temperature sensitive( some more than others). It was already hot and he fired 99 rounds, heating up the chamber and powder even more; prior to the case blowout. After I weigh the powder and check things out, I'm going to fire a few rounds and check for pressure signs. It's clear ( to me) that the brass wasn't compromised. The case gave, due to pressure, in the unsupported area by the rim. Again, just a few guys out of of many, had problems with this ammo. This is why most manufacturers reduce their charges for the civilian market because there are a lot of guns not built to handle it. Military and NATO rounds are loaded HOT. If in my testing I see anything questionable, I'm contacting Hornady but I have a feeling that everything will be just fine. |
| A month or 2 ago I bought 2 boxes of the Hornady Frontier 556 68 gr hpbt match and fired it through my DD v11 Pro 18". Fairly accurate and I'm on the fence about it as far as precision. I checked all the brass and saved a couple. Look perfect. As far as I could tell it is just the 556 55 gr that is causing the kabooms. I haven't found a single instance (online) of any of the other loads/weights causing issue. If anyone else has evidence to the contrary, please post it up. |
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I met a firearms expert at the range today. He does videos on YouTube and other sites featuring firearms for a living. He was actually making a video today. Anyway to make a long story short, he said the Federal Frontier 5.56 55 grain is fine; just on the hot side. He said he's shot plenty of it. His YouTube channel is Slav guns. https://m.youtube.com/channel/UC-9L8A-ErbbszFrgXbs6QnA |
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OP: I've seen enough questionable reports about Frontier that I wouldn't do it. Besides: What's the point of asking for an opinion if you're going to pooh-pooh everyone who tells you differently? I'm just making a decision for myself. I'm just not going to panic because a few guys had some misfortune with some lots of Hornady Ammo. The shit is loaded hot. I'll proceed with caution. That said, the likelihood is that I'll have no issues with this ammo; like the other 99.9999% of folks who shot it. |
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Quoted: I'm tempted to but I think I'm going to get the ammo and examine a few of the rounds closely. I reload, so I can pull a few of the bullets and weigh the powder, check the cases in a gauge, take measurements etc I usually buy factory ammo to put away for SHTF and just use reloads for practice . Sounds like this stuff is loaded very hot and AFAIK, this sort of thing happens on occasion; especially when using full power loads. This is the reason why they crimp primer pockets. If I find something wrong, I'll contact Hornady. I'm not going to sweat this |
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A month or 2 ago I bought 2 boxes of the Hornady Frontier 556 68 gr hpbt match and fired it through my DD v11 Pro 18". Fairly accurate and I'm on the fence about it as far as precision. I checked all the brass and saved a couple. Look perfect. As far as I could tell it is just the 556 55 gr that is causing the kabooms. I haven't found a single instance (online) of any of the other loads/weights causing issue. If anyone else has evidence to the contrary, please post it up. |
| I've shot about 200 62 bthp, 100 68 bthp in both 223 and 5.56. No pressure signs. No pressure signs on the spent brass. The 68 in 5.56 is noticeably hotter. My Armalite likes all 3. All are tighter groups than Fed xm193s. My Wolf A1 only likes the 62 bthp and the 68 in 223, the 68 in 5.56 groups were larger. |
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I've shot about 200 62 bthp, 100 68 bthp in both 223 and 5.56. No pressure signs. No pressure signs on the spent brass. The 68 in 5.56 is noticeably hotter. My Armalite likes all 3. All are tighter groups than Fed xm193s. My Wolf A1 only likes the 62 bthp and the 68 in 223, the 68 in 5.56 groups were larger. |
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Quoted: The problem is not that particular lots have consistent overpressure signs. They all work until you get one that goes kaboom. Then comes the KABOOM thread and utter amazement. Some learn at a reduced rate. Such is life.. ETA: there is a kid here at my shop whose " downstairs apartment neighbor reloads M855 and sells for 0.20/rd". 3 or 4 guys are buying it and praising the cost savings....I am anticipating the impending catastrophic failure/s. |
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Too many will not listen. Then comes the KABOOM thread and utter amazement. Some learn at a reduced rate. Such is life.. ETA: there is a kid here at my shop whose " downstairs apartment neighbor reloads M855 and sells for 0.20/rd". 3 or 4 guys are buying it and praising the cost savings....I am anticipating the impending catastrophic failure/s. |
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Quoted: ETA: there is a kid here at my shop whose " downstairs apartment neighbor reloads M855 and sells for 0.20/rd". 3 or 4 guys are buying it and praising the cost savings....I am anticipating the impending catastrophic failure/s. You can reload for yourself and I believe give it away but can't sell it; without being licensed. |
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Quoted: The problem is not that particular lots have consistent overpressure signs. They all work until you get one that goes kaboom. My theory is that someone was asleep on the production line and let overcharged cartridges get out the door. When you load on the hot side, it takes less margin of error to go from hot to dangerously hot. That being said, I'm not really concerned because the odds are strongly in my favor that I'll have no problems. Also, like I stated, I'm going to pull the bullets and weigh the powder charges; to get somewhat of an idea on how hot that are loading the stuff. Does anyone know which powder they use? |
| In my case(first link) Hornady tested the ammo and said it was fine. They replaced it with a different lot. So I have an ammo can with 500 rnds of the crap that will be used if I run out of all my other ammo. This would require a war. I'll never shoot the shit! |
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In my case(first link) Hornady tested the ammo and said it was fine. They replaced it with a different lot. So I have an ammo can with 500 rnds of the crap that will be used if I run out of all my other ammo. This would require a war. I'll never shoot the shit! |
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Quoted: I'm tempted to but I think I'm going to get the ammo and examine a few of the rounds closely. I reload, so I can pull a few of the bullets and weigh the powder, check the cases in a gauge, take measurements etc I usually buy factory ammo to put away for SHTF and just use reloads for practice . Sounds like this stuff is loaded very hot and AFAIK, this sort of thing happens on occasion; especially when using full power loads. This is the reason why they crimp primer pockets. If I find something wrong, I'll contact Hornady. I'm not going to sweat this |
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Thanks. That was very informative.
According to the powder charges, this stuff in the Ops lot is loaded very hot( no matter which powder is used) and all it would take is a charge a couple of tenths more to have problems.( and or an EXCESSIVE crimp) Anything above 27 grains, you're getting a or very close to a compressed load( depending on the powder), with 55 grain bullets. I don't load my " hot" loads with nearly that much powder . Like I previously stated, with a smaller charge, the margin of error is greater before running into overpressure. |
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Thanks. That was very informative. According to the powder charges, this stuff in the Ops lot is loaded very hot( no matter which powder is used) and all it would take is a charge a couple of tenths more to have problems.( and or an EXCESSIVE crimp) Anything above 27 grains, you're getting a or very close to a compressed load( depending on the powder), with 55 grain bullets. I don't load my " hot" loads with nearly that much powder . Like I previously stated, with a smaller charge, the margin of error is greater before running into overpressure. Quoted:
Thanks. That was very informative. According to the powder charges, this stuff in the Ops lot is loaded very hot( no matter which powder is used) and all it would take is a charge a couple of tenths more to have problems.( and or an EXCESSIVE crimp) Anything above 27 grains, you're getting a or very close to a compressed load( depending on the powder), with 55 grain bullets. I don't load my " hot" loads with nearly that much powder . Like I previously stated, with a smaller charge, the margin of error is greater before running into overpressure. You can do whatever you want...…………. but: -there are several 5.56 loads listed in manuals that have that much powder. -Whether a load is compressed doesn't automatically mean it is "over pressure." And you don't have any means of measuring the pressure of the rounds you bought, do you? -since you DON'T HAVE ANY IDEA what powder they are using or if it switched...…… you aren't in any position to accurately figure this out. -the long cases certainly could contribute to an excessive crimp being placed on the cartridge. But you have no way of measuring the difference do you? Look...……….. all I'm saying is this: -the ONLY way of figuring this question out is using pressure gages, that none of us have. If I did, I'd check the charges and the question of the crimp being affected by the case length...……..but I don't have them and neither do you. |
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Quoted: Sir: You can do whatever you want...…………. but: -there are several 5.56 loads listed in manuals that have that much powder. -Whether a load is compressed doesn't automatically mean it is "over pressure." And you don't have any means of measuring the pressure of the rounds you bought, do you? -since you DON'T HAVE ANY IDEA what powder they are using or if it switched...…… you aren't in any position to accurately figure this out. -the long cases certainly could contribute to an excessive crimp being placed on the cartridge. But you have no way of measuring the difference do you? Look...……….. all I'm saying is this: -the ONLY way of figuring this question out is using pressure gages, that none of us have. If I did, I'd check the charges and the question of the crimp being affected by the case length...……..but I don't have them and neither do you. All I can do is visually check for overpressure signs. As far as the powder is concerned, with at least the powders I've used, I couldn't get that much to fit; without compression.( Which you are correct, isn't necessary overpressure) That being said, without having my reloading manuals in front of me; sounds like it's most certainly loaded on the very hot side. |
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Seriously, with all the exposure inside the last 12 mos, I'm not sure why anybody would FO on this? I realize that a few folks had problems with certain lots of this ammo but ( to the best of my knowledge) the overwhelming vast majority have not. That being said, I will proceed with caution. |
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Makes my "knee jerk". https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/416992/Screenshot_20190814-111815_Samsung_Internet-1054028.jpg https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/416992/Screenshot_20190814-111947_Samsung_Internet-1054029.jpg https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/416992/Screenshot_20190814-111859_Samsung_Internet-1054031.jpg https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/416992/Screenshot_20190814-111652_Samsung_Internet-1054032.jpg 5.56 should never be shot in a 223 chamber firearm. |
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