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NC, USA
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Posted: 3/22/2017 5:17:18 PM EST
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Scope Mount..... Samson MFG DMR mount
As far as Samson rails/forfends used down range yes, mainly for same reason 3 Gunners like them Some Assaulters prefer Narrower grip on rifle. The classic quad rail too large. From down range....... 
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NC, USA
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Posted: 3/22/2017 5:23:44 PM EST
[Last Edit: Stukas87]
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sorry double posted
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Posted: 3/22/2017 6:12:38 PM EST
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Bump
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Posted: 3/22/2017 6:27:02 PM EST
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@Stukas - Thanks for the advice on the doctor, way easier to pick up rear mounted. I didn't ditch the buis yet bc I'm probably gonna shoot irons for a while until I figure out an optic....im liking the variable power optic idea.
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NC, USA
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Posted: 3/22/2017 6:37:06 PM EST
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Another Samson Rail M4A1 circa 2012 photo taken just after it was installed:
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USA
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Posted: 3/22/2017 6:43:23 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Stukas87:
Scope Mount..... Samson MFG DMR mount As far as Samson rails/forfends used down range yes, mainly for same reason 3 Gunners like them Some Assaulters prefer Narrower grip on rifle. The classic quad rail too large. From down range....... http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j292/stukas87/DSC05025_zpsesq21ngw.jpg Heads Exploding in..3..2..1 |
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Posted: 3/22/2017 6:50:47 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jax_Guns:
WTF -16" barrel? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jax_Guns:
Originally Posted By Stukas87:
Scope Mount..... Samson MFG DMR mount As far as Samson rails/forfends used down range yes, mainly for same reason 3 Gunners like them Some Assaulters prefer Narrower grip on rifle. The classic quad rail too large. From down range....... http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j292/stukas87/DSC05025_zpsesq21ngw.jpg Heads Exploding in..3..2..1 
Stukas- do you still keep your CQBR upper around when deployed or strictly full length upper now? We miss ya in the 10.3 thread bro.
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NC, USA
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Posted: 3/22/2017 7:38:02 PM EST
[Last Edit: Stukas87]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MILSPEC556:
SOCOM does what SOCOM wants. *Insert Eric cartman meme.*
Stukas- do you still keep your CQBR upper around when deployed or strictly full length upper now? We miss ya in the 10.3 thread bro. 
I don't have any urge to make clones, seeing how I always changed as much as I could on my work guns adapting them to what I thought was the best combat set-up. So with my personal guns its all about shoot ability. |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 3/22/2017 8:13:30 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jax_Guns:
WTF -16" barrel? |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 3/23/2017 1:33:05 AM EST
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Got my new fsp rail installed and surefire warcomp installed by ado, and got a new exps in the mail to make a good week!
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(sorry i don't know how to make the images appear*) Thanks for all the inspiration from the block ii community, been building these for the last four months or so and my wallet is tired but I'm happy! |
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Posted: 3/23/2017 6:35:36 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Stukas87:
Well I just retired so my access to real MK18s now over. Like most on here now I just shoot my own: http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j292/stukas87/Shorty%20AA_zpsxhtn7a6q.jpg I don't have any urge to make clones, seeing how I always changed as much as I could on my work guns adapting them to what I thought was the best combat set-up. So with my personal guns its all about shoot ability. |
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Posted: 3/23/2017 8:28:53 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Conner378:
Got my new fsp rail installed and surefire warcomp installed by ado, and got a new exps in the mail to make a good week! http://i1008.photobucket.com/albums/af203/bonbon1201/IMG_0971_1.jpg" target="_blank">http://s1008.photobucket.com/user/bonbon1201/media/IMG_0971_1.jpg.html]http://i1008.photobucket.com/albums/af203/bonbon1201/IMG_0971_1.jpg[/url] (sorry i don't know how to make the images appear*) Thanks for all the inspiration from the block ii community, been building these for the last four months or so and my wallet is tired but I'm happy! If anyone is looking to part ways with a regular M4A1 in FDE rail let me know. My M203 should be coming off approval soon - so trying to get a host for it. |
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Posted: 3/23/2017 8:35:03 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By schaffer:
Most guys just run what they are issued? As an LEO i find a lot of guys just run whatever is issued. |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 3/23/2017 9:03:07 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SecretSquirell:
Depends on unit really. Being SF usually gives the guys a broad range of what they're allowed to do. Especially now since the all M4A1s have the RIS II non-front site post version and Geissele triggers. This finally took effect Mid-2015 for all rifles to get this way. So less need for guys to custom their rifles. |
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USA
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Posted: 3/23/2017 9:33:34 AM EST
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@Stukas- Did you ever get a chance do compare a 2.5-10x24 nf against the vcog or even a razor hd against the vcog? I'm liking the idea of variable power and I'm thinking about holding out and just dropping the cash on a good optic when I can. I was wondering if you had any opinions on which was the best all around for the platform or if it was more a personal preference/cost thing....
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NC, USA
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Posted: 3/23/2017 11:59:08 AM EST
[Last Edit: Stukas87]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dobs013:
@Stukas- Did you ever get a chance do compare a 2.5-10x24 nf against the vcog or even a razor hd against the vcog? I'm liking the idea of variable power and I'm thinking about holding out and just dropping the cash on a good optic when I can. I was wondering if you had any opinions on which was the best all around for the platform or if it was more a personal preference/cost thing.... I always thought 10power was overkill for 5.56. The SPR (MK12) came with a ?-10power scope. 5.56 past 750m pretty dismal no matter what ammo. So My thought is to be able hit 500-650max. Running a 1x6 just makes it easier to do over the Elcan. For the record my next optic Im looking to purchase is the Burris XTR II 1-5 with BDC. I'm using the VCOG for 3gun. Was thinking of the Vortex Razor (top selling scope for 3gun) But I have found 6 power a little overkill for what is needed for the matches where I live. So to save money Burris looks good. VCOG will go back on my 308. |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 3/23/2017 3:39:53 PM EST
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Posted: 3/23/2017 4:21:19 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Stukas87:
Scope Mount..... Samson MFG DMR mount As far as Samson rails/forfends used down range yes, mainly for same reason 3 Gunners like them Some Assaulters prefer Narrower grip on rifle. The classic quad rail too large. From down range....... http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j292/stukas87/DSC05025_zpsesq21ngw.jpg Heads Exploding in..3..2..1  Attached File |
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Posted: 3/23/2017 5:07:31 PM EST
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KAC offset mount came in, pretty nice but still waiting on LT724s to come back in stock
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NC, USA
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Posted: 3/23/2017 5:53:24 PM EST
[Last Edit: Stukas87]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By chenault:
I can dig the new ways, but still prefer the old. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/340785/IMG-1249-172322.JPG |
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AR, USA
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Posted: 3/24/2017 9:20:17 PM EST
[Last Edit: 762hunter2]
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Are there any pictures of Vortex Razor 1-6's in the wild on a M4? I've seen the helicopter pic of one on a 10.3 with a Geissele rail but never a 14.5
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Posted: 3/24/2017 10:09:30 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By chenault:
I can dig the new ways, but still prefer the old. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/340785/IMG-1249-172322.JPG I am sorta like that - as an older fart, I tend to like the classics which is also why I don't steer away from US Military rifles. I own around 20 among AR15s and older ones (WWI, WWII etc.) and they are all, rigorously classic ones. |
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WA, USA
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Posted: 3/25/2017 1:26:55 PM EST
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Is the SFMB muzzle device correct for Block II builds at all?
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Posted: 3/25/2017 1:34:14 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dokidokidennis:
Is the SFMB muzzle device correct for Block II builds at all? |
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WA, USA
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Posted: 3/27/2017 1:03:35 AM EST
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Any idea what vfg fits the insight single tape switch used on the m3x? Or could I go with a tango down panel with tape switch cut out?
Anyone have a incan bulb for the m3x they would be willing to part with, maybe after a led upgrade? |
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Posted: 3/27/2017 3:50:43 AM EST
[Last Edit: Mb121]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RubiconJk:
Any idea what vfg fits the insight single tape switch used on the m3x? Or could I go with a tango down panel with tape switch cut out? As the insight or surefire tape switch are common throughout the military as a whole, most just secure it using electrical/100 mph tape or you can try bicycle inner tube. |
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Posted: 3/27/2017 7:31:24 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Stukas87:
Scope Mount..... Samson MFG DMR mount As far as Samson rails/forfends used down range yes, mainly for same reason 3 Gunners like them Some Assaulters prefer Narrower grip on rifle. The classic quad rail too large. From down range....... http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j292/stukas87/DSC05025_zpsesq21ngw.jpg Heads Exploding in..3..2..1 |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 3/28/2017 4:39:44 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AstraPat:
Do you remember what length that rail is? 10? 11? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AstraPat:
Originally Posted By Stukas87:
Scope Mount..... Samson MFG DMR mount As far as Samson rails/forfends used down range yes, mainly for same reason 3 Gunners like them Some Assaulters prefer Narrower grip on rifle. The classic quad rail too large. From down range....... http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j292/stukas87/DSC05025_zpsesq21ngw.jpg Heads Exploding in..3..2..1 |
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Posted: 3/28/2017 9:05:25 PM EST
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Block II Clones I think almost anything goes now. The basics, colt with RIS II and dress it out how you want it. After these things get to unit level (jsoc SF etc) they do what they want.
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Posted: 3/29/2017 1:08:12 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HD2006:
It is not, KAC NT4 flash hider and SF4P are the correct ones. SF3P is a common substitution for the 4 prong, but it seems the 4 prongs a little easier to find now, but still pretty pricey. |
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Posted: 3/29/2017 5:39:50 AM EST
[Last Edit: HARMS4X]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By veeklog:
Just an FYI on those that made 80% lowers then had them engraved for clone correct looks. In October I was able to send the completed lower to a reputable anodizer with a FFL 07 license to complete the process so I could finish my lower. A few days ago I was E-mailed by the anodizer telling me that during a routine inspection by the ATF, the ATF Auditor pulled mine and other lowers like mine aside for further review and asked the anodizer not to work on them until ATF made a determination. Today I was told by the anodizer that ATF picked up mine and the other lowers because the issue in question has to do with the engraving of the auto sear holes. According to the ATF rules in question, marking the location of the sear hole can be considered a Machine Gun; ATF would send out a determination later. I don't get it since I had no intention or the parts to make a full auto, and had not drilled into the lower to install a sear. Guess I will have to call the Inspector tomorrow and find out what the problem is; I have never heard of this, nor have I ever heard that engraving makes a machine gun. Most reputable engravers will not mark a 80% receiver with a COLT trade mark! At least not openly?? Also if ATF went to trace the rifle and called Colt for the trace it would create a nightmare for Colt. Clearly laid out for third pin.  Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 3/29/2017 1:50:00 PM EST
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Posted: 3/29/2017 3:01:55 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HARMS4X:
Block II Clones I think almost anything goes now. The basics, colt with RIS II and dress it out how you want it. After these things get to unit level (jsoc SF etc) they do what they want. As I've stated, 95% of soldiers are not gun guys, so they don't even know/care what they're issued (and hence aren't likely to change anything unless it breaks). Most of the other 5% aren't going to risk their own $ on something when a) they are issued something similar/compatible and b) it has a high probability of loss/damage. |
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Posted: 3/29/2017 3:17:04 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KILLERB6:
Technically true, but it happens far less than many here seem to think. As I've stated, 95% of soldiers are not gun guys, so they don't even know/care what they're issued (and hence aren't likely to change anything unless it breaks). Most of the other 5% aren't going to risk their own $ on something when a) they are issued something similar/compatible and b) it has a high probability of loss/damage. I see it like this if its been made I am sure it's been strapped, screwed, bolted, slung or used by someone in the last 17 or so years! Some of the teams or troops we will never see those pics. |
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MN, USA
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Posted: 3/29/2017 6:03:49 PM EST
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Finished my Block II FSP. Would like to get a RC2 for it but have so many other projects to finish.
- Spikes lower - Geissele Trigger - Colt Ambi - LMT Gen II SOPMOD - Colt 14.5" upper - Daniel Defense RIS II FSP - Daniel Defense QD mount - Elcan Specter DR - Trijicon DR - APITAL-C - M3X LED - Insight Dual - Specwar K 
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Posted: 3/29/2017 6:09:27 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BOONEA:
Finished my Block II FSP. Would like to get a RC2 for it but have so many other projects to finish. - Spikes lower - Geissele Trigger - Colt Ambi - LMT Gen II SOPMOD - Colt 14.5" upper - Daniel Defense RIS II FSP - Daniel Defense QD mount - Elcan Specter DR - Trijicon DR - APITAL-C - M3X LED - Insight Dual - Specwar K https://scontent-ort2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/17626508_10154955656792626_2928746090679341084_n.jpg?oh=4b35f8b3fd5d35e2a9d0513f9f005bfc&oe=594ED48C
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MN, USA
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Posted: 3/29/2017 6:11:48 PM EST
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Thanks. It's the small red dot on top of the ELCAN.
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Posted: 3/29/2017 6:14:33 PM EST
[Last Edit: MILSPEC556]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BOONEA:
Thanks. It's the small red dot on top of the ELCAN. https://media.midwayusa.com/productimages/880x660/Primary/892/892460.jpg
ETA now that I think about it competitors prob isn't the right word since the ECOS ACOGs come with Docters. But just saying if they're owned by Trijicon I wasn't aware. Not trying to come off as an ass hat in case I am, just actually 100 percent curious. |
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MN, USA
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Posted: 3/29/2017 7:00:17 PM EST
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Guess I'm the idiot. We always called them Trijicon Doctors. But I guess that really isn't the case.
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USA
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Posted: 3/29/2017 7:22:55 PM EST
[Last Edit: MILSPEC556]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BOONEA:
Guess I'm the idiot. We always called them Trijicon Doctors. But I guess that really isn't the case. 
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Posted: 3/29/2017 10:30:30 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HARMS4X:
I agree with you I know plenty of guys that never changed shit. Then again I know several that change it as needed?? I see it like this if its been made I am sure it's been strapped, screwed, bolted, slung or used by someone in the last 17 or so years! Some of the teams or troops we will never see those pics. 
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Posted: 3/30/2017 7:47:15 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cjwwd2:
Probably true, but not the point of this thread |
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AR, USA
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Posted: 3/30/2017 10:06:18 AM EST
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I think ITW pictures are always cool to see but I think the clone thread should be about building rifles with the correct SOPMOD issued parts. Tracking down those hard to find issued parts is what really got me involved in it. It cost me more money than I ever thought I would spend on an AR but I enjoyed it. I do enjoy ITW pictures and appreciate all those that served our country but sometimes the thread drifts pretty far away from what got me into clones. Ymmv
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Posted: 3/30/2017 11:26:11 AM EST
[Last Edit: HARMS4X]
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AR, USA
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Posted: 3/30/2017 2:09:32 PM EST
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Definitely a CQBR but still cool
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AR, USA
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Posted: 3/30/2017 2:19:14 PM EST
[Last Edit: 762hunter2]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jturner1906:
I think ITW pictures are always cool to see but I think the clone thread should be about building rifles with the correct SOPMOD issued parts. Tracking down those hard to find issued parts is what really got me involved in it. It cost me more money than I ever thought I would spend on an AR but I enjoyed it. I do enjoy ITW pictures and appreciate all those that served our country but sometimes the thread drifts pretty far away from what got me into clones. Ymmv Pic thread: need to put my A2 grip back on 
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Posted: 3/30/2017 4:56:46 PM EST
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Is it normal to yank the M203 hangers out of the RIS II?
One that arrived to my house didn't have them... 
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Posted: 3/30/2017 5:12:08 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ECPrevatte:
Is it normal to yank the M203 hangers out of the RIS II? One that arrived to my house didn't have them... |
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Posted: 3/30/2017 5:20:04 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ECPrevatte:
Is it normal to yank the M203 hangers out of the RIS II? One that arrived to my house didn't have them... |
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Posted: 3/30/2017 5:27:04 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By StevieJ309:
Was that BCM barrel a mid length? The hangers will contact the gas block on a middy so whoever installed the barrel probably yanked it. Yeah I called DD to see if they had some, or if anyone else has a set they don't use I would gladly take them so I can hang my M203. |
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