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Posted: 1/30/2023 5:45:48 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Lucasd2002]
Our new hybrid trigger was released into the wild last week.
The hybrid trigger concept includes a skeleton made from tool steel that is subsequently over-molded to inject polymer around the skeleton in the noncritical areas. Everything important (contact points, pivot points, etc.) is steel. MEAN was started by a family that has been in the polymer and injection molding industry for 50+ years. This is why many of our products feature polymer. This concept means that we can focus on cutting simple steel components where the polymer forms many of the outer surfaces - thus keeping the cost low. The hybrid trigger also includes a modular replaceable trigger pad (no tools needed) and comes with both a round pad and a flat pad. Each MA Hybrid Trigger Group includes: (1) trigger/disconnector subassembly, (1) hammer and hammer spring subassembly, (2) trigger/hammer pins, (1) curved trigger pad, (1) flat trigger pad Hardened tool steel is overmolded with high strength proprietary polymer. The steel is Titanium Carbo-Nitride (TiCN) coated for excellent wear at all contact points. Locking features prevent the pins from walking out during use. Two different easily swappable finger pads. A standard curved and flat-faced pad are included. Replacement pads are available separately. Two trigger and hammer (3 groove) pins included. The MEAN Arms Hybrid Trigger Group is designed and manufactured in the United States and should last the lifetime of your firearm (or longer). Each MA Hybrid Trigger Group includes the MEAN Lifetime Warranty, so if you ever have a problem, we will help you fix it or replace it. MA Hybrid Trigger Groups are tested and calibrated before leaving our facility. |
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Not sure how I feel about paying $99 for an 85% plastic trigger.
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Originally Posted By ahrion: Not sure how I feel about paying $99 for an 85% plastic trigger. View Quote That's fair - we're used to people questioning polymer as a material. For this system, all of the important parts are steel. And, keep in mind that many bearings are made from Nylon, which is the material used in the non-critical areas of this Fire Control Group. MEAN Arms https://www.meanarms.com/ [email protected] |
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Help me understand. Polymer is used to keep cost down, but its more expensive than a metal trigger.
Does the trigger feel better than a regular milspec trigger? |
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Originally Posted By PVTPablo: Help me understand. Polymer is used to keep cost down, but its more expensive than a metal trigger. Does the trigger feel better than a regular milspec trigger? View Quote I am glad these things are being posted here. I want Mean to succeed, just like almost everyone else in this industry, and I say these things with that success in mind. I am not a marketing guy, but let me consolidate what i have been hearing from several accelerators I have recently participated in: The pain point (customer problem) and benefit to the customer aren't being clearly articulated, only the features. And features don't mean much when it comes to making a sale without explaining how they solve a pain point or offer a benefit. Yah, its plastic. And that costs the manufacturer less, but not the buyer, so cost isn't a benefit and isn't solving a pain point. You haven't told us why we should pay more for your trigger than a regular-ass metal one (or even a reputable metal one). What does that plastic trigger do for me, the buyer? Why is it better? Does it hit X% harder? Have Y% shorter lock time? Easier to install? Have a super sweet F/S curve and break like glass? you got some sweet testimonials? Give us some reasons to be early adopters! It's your baby, you love it. Help us to love it to. Tell us what makes it beautiful and why we need one in every gun. Tell us why we should embrace this plastic. Does is do great with temperature changes? Perhaps it resists all solvents from CLP to unicorn piss? Will it increase my sex appeal and make my groups at 2,000 yards smaller? |
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Originally Posted By general_cluster: I am glad these things are being posted here. I want Mean to succeed, just like almost everyone else in this industry, and I say these things with that success in mind. I am not a marketing guy, but let me consolidate what i have been hearing from several accelerators I have recently participated in: The pain point (customer problem) and benefit to the customer aren't being clearly articulated, only the features. And features don't mean much when it comes to making a sale without explaining how they solve a pain point or offer a benefit. Yah, its plastic. And that costs the manufacturer less, but not the buyer, so cost isn't a benefit and isn't solving a pain point. You haven't told us why we should pay more for your trigger than a regular-ass metal one (or even a reputable metal one). What does that plastic trigger do for me, the buyer? Why is it better? Does it hit X% harder? Have Y% shorter lock time? Easier to install? Have a super sweet F/S curve and break like glass? you got some sweet testimonials? Give us some reasons to be early adopters! It's your baby, you love it. Help us to love it to. Tell us what makes it beautiful and why we need one in every gun. Tell us why we should embrace this plastic. Does is do great with temperature changes? Perhaps it resists all solvents from CLP to unicorn piss? Will it increase my sex appeal and make my groups at 2,000 yards smaller? View Quote My question expanded and articulated beautifully |
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I want to see you guys succeed, but you've to tell me why this is better than the competition...without naming your competition.
At your price point you are directly competing with: LaRue MBT, Schmid, PSA enbloc/drop-ins, Rise Armament, among others. Those are proven products and well-used in the shooting world. |
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"History teaches us that men and nations behave wisely once they have exhausted all other alternatives."-Abba Eban
"I like it both ways, but still mainly mouth it" -gonzo_beyondo |
I like the looks of it, seems ingenious. Especially the disconnector's pivot straddling the trigger.
Looking at the hammer, does it rotate freely on the hammer pin? It looks like the design of the hammer hole locks the hammer in, instead of a J-pin, which seems it would cause the hammer pin to rotate in the receiver's hammer pin hole rather than in the hammer itself? |
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Sub'd for morbid curiosity. Outside of the handy dandy swappable trigger shoe, I'm too dumb to identify any major benefits. In on 1 for an education.
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I was able to shoot their 9mm upper receiver with this trigger in the lower at the Iraq Veteran shoot this past October. The trigger was nice with a clean break and one of the shortest resets I’ve experienced for a trigger in this price range.
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Originally Posted By Fisunshine: I was able to shoot their 9mm upper receiver with this trigger in the lower at the Iraq Veteran shoot this past October. The trigger was nice with a clean break and one of the shortest resets I’ve experienced for a trigger in this price range. View Quote Thanks man! MEAN Arms https://www.meanarms.com/ [email protected] |
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I like the idea and the design I do wish it was a bit less expensive.
I would love to see you guys work with ke arms so they could have these as an option for the kp15. It fits the theme. |
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Originally Posted By Lucasd2002: Thanks for the comments and questions. As explained above, we believe our trigger does have less grit, a shorter/crisper reset, and a cleaner break than any stock or milspec-ish trigger. View Quote But you’re not competing with them. They are rolled up into the cost of a complete lower/rifle, a $30-$100 LPK, or $30-$65 a la carte. Your price point includes the Hiperfire EDT series, Larue, ALG, and a variety of rebranded Schmid-based two-stages. Other than the adjustable disco, which does not appeal to me, I don’t really see a compelling reason people would choose this over other similarly priced options. I’m not enamored with the pin retention method, either. On the other hand, I’m sure it will do everything expected of a $100 trigger, and choices are good. |
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Interesting for sure
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What's the trigger pull weight? Reset distance?
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60 day rule
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