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Posted: 2/27/2019 8:53:57 PM EDT
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I have a line on a PEQ2A dont know if I really need one or not.
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USA
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Posted: 2/28/2019 1:25:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lancecriminal86: The Var-X III LR family are what became the Mk4 family, so that is correct. Around the early 2000s is where a few items started having those names changed. The 3-9 and 3.5-10 types should have a very fairly different OAL, so that relationship between the ring width and the objective bell should easily sort out which it is. The other thought would be if it's a 4.5-14 or not. Need to measure a mounted 3-9 and a 3.5-10, reference how far in front of the receiver and behind the rear it goes. 
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Posted: 2/28/2019 11:24:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 5pt56:
This is a 2002 or 2004 model. I can 100% confirm if it becomes relevant or helpful to anyone. http://i.imgur.com/XgNMB1j.jpg http://i.imgur.com/IPCG5nK.jpg http://i.imgur.com/igEyGWU.jpg Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 5pt56:
Originally Posted By lancecriminal86: The Var-X III LR family are what became the Mk4 family, so that is correct. Around the early 2000s is where a few items started having those names changed. The 3-9 and 3.5-10 types should have a very fairly different OAL, so that relationship between the ring width and the objective bell should easily sort out which it is. The other thought would be if it's a 4.5-14 or not. Need to measure a mounted 3-9 and a 3.5-10, reference how far in front of the receiver and behind the rear it goes. http://i.imgur.com/XgNMB1j.jpg http://i.imgur.com/IPCG5nK.jpg http://i.imgur.com/igEyGWU.jpg |
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Posted: 2/28/2019 12:00:56 PM EDT
[Last Edit: lancecriminal86]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HaveBlue83:
so sawmans SPR rig had the same rings. and i was able to source them. and OF COURSEEEEEEEE they are the most pricey damn ones....from that company. enjoy, everyone! KAC https://i.postimg.cc/YCdQXtPd/images-13.jpg Not convinced on the KAC rings for Horrigan's rifle for sure, I've seen no references to any High or Extra High (1.4" +) rings for KAC. Horrigan's scope looks to be at LEAST as high as ARMS High rings which are around 1.450". Let's compare here: Here's the rings I believe are correct based on shape and height, plus inclusion of 1" spacers (and they may have been available in 1" at the time), nuts to use instead of thumb screws if desired, and the company was in business ca 2002 and there are old forum posts about them being good rings: 
And the KACs for comparison. I agree that they also have the wide base/clamp area, but the height doesn't match up to what I'm seeing on Horrigan's rifle: 
**EDIT Just noticed those are "Standard" height and not the same as the mediums, so I'd need to know the height over receiver if you have it. Now, Brenner's rifle would be another matter, but again need to see how low the KAC rings would be if Brenner's is a 40mm objective. *****Extra edit I'm seeing the KAC Standard height aka Mediums as 1.273", did you find taller ones? |
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Posted: 2/28/2019 2:28:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 5pt56:
This is a 2002 or 2004 model. I can 100% confirm if it becomes relevant or helpful to anyone. http://i.imgur.com/XgNMB1j.jpg http://i.imgur.com/IPCG5nK.jpg http://i.imgur.com/igEyGWU.jpg |
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USA
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Posted: 2/28/2019 6:26:50 PM EDT
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If you cloners discover its a 4-14.5, Ive got one in the safe if it helps anyone... Now back to your regular scheduled programming
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OK, USA
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Posted: 2/28/2019 8:18:23 PM EDT
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What are these going for these days?
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Posted: 2/28/2019 9:39:12 PM EDT
[Last Edit: lancecriminal86]
[#8]
Here are the MFI rings mounted up roughly where Horrigan has his rings in the pic here:
And here's my fittment test, with a 30mm SWFA with 42mm objective. Actual optic will be a 1" tube, 36mm obj, and use the inserts for the rings.  I do believe these are the right rings but they may have changed since 2003 or so. I know what the most likely scope is, just have to find one and get a few nitnoids changed. |
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Posted: 2/28/2019 9:45:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Shrimpsauce:
What are these going for these days? https://i.imgur.com/3UM6qyL.jpg 
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OK, USA
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Posted: 2/28/2019 10:37:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SecretSquirell:
87 bucks. I'll be generous and triple the value. 
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Posted: 2/28/2019 10:45:16 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Shrimpsauce:
What are these going for these days? https://i.imgur.com/3UM6qyL.jpg Originally Posted By SecretSquirell:
87 bucks. I'll be generous and triple the value. Originally Posted By Shrimpsauce: |
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Posted: 2/28/2019 11:09:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Shrimpsauce:
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Shrimpsauce:
Originally Posted By SecretSquirell:
87 bucks. I'll be generous and triple the value. |
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Posted: 2/28/2019 11:19:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dobs013:
Thread needs a bump...we need to start a recruiting drive....haha. https://i.imgur.com/kw4oxMZ.jpg |
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NY, USA
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Posted: 2/28/2019 11:53:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ICU:
If you cloners discover its a 4-14.5, Ive got one in the safe if it helps anyone... Now back to your regular scheduled programming |
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USA
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Posted: 3/1/2019 11:51:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Davey_Sickboy: I’ve got a 4.5-14 but with a 1” tube. Y’all think those were used back in the day or 30mm only 
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USA
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Posted: 3/1/2019 12:01:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lancecriminal86:
Here are the MFI rings mounted up roughly where Horrigan has his rings in the pic here: https://i.imgur.com/NEpxHMs.jpg And here's my fittment test, with a 30mm SWFA with 42mm objective. Actual optic will be a 1" tube, 36mm obj, and use the inserts for the rings. https://i.imgur.com/ZJ7wRac.jpg I do believe these are the right rings but they may have changed since 2003 or so. I know what the most likely scope is, just have to find one and get a few nitnoids changed. |
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Posted: 3/1/2019 12:08:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ICU:
My VXIII is the 1" also, known as the Tactical series(black ring) early 2000s, then they went to a 30mm & renamed LR(long range) w/ more adjust-ability in the bigger tube. Or I maybe completely wrong & somebody will come along soon to correct me Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ICU:
Originally Posted By Davey_Sickboy: I’ve got a 4.5-14 but with a 1” tube. Y’all think those were used back in the day or 30mm only |
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USA
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Posted: 3/1/2019 12:51:07 PM EDT
[Last Edit: ICU]
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LOL... There it is...
Thanks Marsh
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Posted: 3/1/2019 1:55:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By USGI:
VX3 variant of the 2.5-8x36? Looks to be the right length... I guesstimated 12" based on the rail slots. Leupold lists that one as being just under 12" Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By USGI:
Originally Posted By lancecriminal86:
Here are the MFI rings mounted up roughly where Horrigan has his rings in the pic here: https://i.imgur.com/NEpxHMs.jpg And here's my fittment test, with a 30mm SWFA with 42mm objective. Actual optic will be a 1" tube, 36mm obj, and use the inserts for the rings. https://i.imgur.com/ZJ7wRac.jpg I do believe these are the right rings but they may have changed since 2003 or so. I know what the most likely scope is, just have to find one and get a few nitnoids changed. Also, I'm coming around to the KAC rings being the right ones. The height for the standard ones doesn't match what I'm estimating / measuring, but they are much narrower. It's possible MFI changed their design but I can't find any older rings second hand to compare. |
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USA
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Posted: 3/2/2019 5:00:34 AM EDT
[Last Edit: USGI]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lancecriminal86: Yeah, I need a specific year for this. Still unsure of what options he ordered, maybe reticle change, teflon coating, or even custom caps. I want to find one and get the first legit Horrigan MRE in here but I have a feeling you guys will beat me to the punch as always lol. Also, I'm coming around to the KAC rings being the right ones. The height for the standard ones doesn't match what I'm estimating / measuring, but they are much narrower. It's possible MFI changed their design but I can't find any older rings second hand to compare. As for the KAC rings, that makes more sense to me then MFI. Lots of risers and other set ups were KAC at the time. MFI might be a good "stand in" for cloners though. ETA- Looks like the "i" version is still offered. Overall length is the same. Not sure of any actual changes. https://www.leupold.com/scopes/compact-scopes/vx-3i-2-5-8x36mm?selectedSku=170678 And it is possible to change the reticle, caps, everything |
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Posted: 3/2/2019 2:34:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By USGI:
Was that stuff the "Custom shop" could have easily changed back then? Easily changed today for current production stuff. As for the KAC rings, that makes more sense to me then MFI. Lots of risers and other set ups were KAC at the time. MFI might be a good "stand in" for cloners though. ETA- Looks like the "i" version is still offered. Overall length is the same. Not sure of any actual changes. https://www.leupold.com/scopes/compact-scopes/vx-3i-2-5-8x36mm?selectedSku=170678 And it is possible to change the reticle, caps, everything Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By USGI:
Originally Posted By lancecriminal86: Yeah, I need a specific year for this. Still unsure of what options he ordered, maybe reticle change, teflon coating, or even custom caps. I want to find one and get the first legit Horrigan MRE in here but I have a feeling you guys will beat me to the punch as always lol. Also, I'm coming around to the KAC rings being the right ones. The height for the standard ones doesn't match what I'm estimating / measuring, but they are much narrower. It's possible MFI changed their design but I can't find any older rings second hand to compare. As for the KAC rings, that makes more sense to me then MFI. Lots of risers and other set ups were KAC at the time. MFI might be a good "stand in" for cloners though. ETA- Looks like the "i" version is still offered. Overall length is the same. Not sure of any actual changes. https://www.leupold.com/scopes/compact-scopes/vx-3i-2-5-8x36mm?selectedSku=170678 And it is possible to change the reticle, caps, everything The other thing is in some photos, his scope is much more matte. I am starting to wonder if earlier on he had a Leupold M3A or something in there. I'm fairly sure at the time he could have requested his gold ring be blacked out like the tactical models and had mildots put in. Long term that's my plan, because I doubt we will ever know what he had in there. |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 3/3/2019 12:58:00 AM EDT
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i can see the circle holes in the rings below the optic mount in multiple pics. and the height matches. im sticking with KAC as the rings.
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Posted: 3/4/2019 7:52:11 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/4/2019 10:18:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Infidel4life11:
https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/325471/407C9515-FC25-4389-8908-9D6270AFB6D8-866442.jpg 
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Posted: 3/4/2019 11:26:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HaveBlue83:
i can see the circle holes in the rings below the optic mount in multiple pics. and the height matches. im sticking with KAC as the rings. |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 3/5/2019 11:35:49 AM EDT
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Went and zeroed the Docter today while visiting my AEM5 in NFA jail.
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Posted: 3/5/2019 12:18:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Eyekahn:
Went and zeroed the Docter today while visiting my AEM5 in NFA jail. https://i.imgur.com/ojsEepu.jpg https://i.imgur.com/VqgBT21.jpg 
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Posted: 3/5/2019 2:09:35 PM EDT
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.22 Pistol suppressed shooting. So quiet.
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TX, USA
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Posted: 3/6/2019 9:37:53 AM EDT
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Do you think they could be PRI rings?
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Posted: 3/6/2019 11:53:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Infidel4life11:
https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/325471/407C9515-FC25-4389-8908-9D6270AFB6D8-866442.jpg |
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Posted: 3/6/2019 11:59:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Eyekahn:
Went and zeroed the Docter today while visiting my AEM5 in NFA jail. https://i.imgur.com/ojsEepu.jpg https://i.imgur.com/VqgBT21.jpg |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 3/6/2019 12:15:49 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Eyekahn]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Outrider: Oh baby! |
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Posted: 3/6/2019 10:02:26 PM EDT
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The scope is secure, I repeat the scope is secure!
Now, stand in rings will have to do for the moment until I can source the right ones, but aside from them being a bit too wide they look right overall. A used FSB is inbound for chop and set screws, just need a 300m KAC rear, bcg, swap my grip and make an A2 gangster grip chop, and a Masen pad to get this sucker done! |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 3/7/2019 4:42:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lancecriminal86:
The scope is secure, I repeat the scope is secure!
Now, stand in rings will have to do for the moment until I can source the right ones, but aside from them being a bit too wide they look right overall. A used FSB is inbound for chop and set screws, just need a 300m KAC rear, bcg, swap my grip and make an A2 gangster grip chop, and a Masen pad to get this sucker done! |
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Posted: 3/7/2019 12:35:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BigBoss01: What did you find!?!? After going over, and over, and over eBay, Leupold catalogs, measuring pics, etc. @Hunterex and I finally stumbled on the archived 2004 website, where the VX-III is introduced and the Vari-X III hunting scopes went away. Only a year or so later the VX-III disappears and the VX-3 replaces it. Also, per Leupold's custom shop ads at the same time they could swap in almost any reticle, to include Mil-Dots or some custom BDC reticles. My best guess is that he ordered it with a MilDot or BDC, and requested Custom Shop to black out the ring like the tactical models. I also believe the scope was painted at some point as there are remnants of green and/or tan paint on parts of the tube and rings in some of the photos. The final big piece of the puzzle is now back to the rings. The MFI rings are just too wide compared to the older pics of them, and I now believe there were taller KAC rings available. I'm just waiting to hear back. After that, it's just a BCG, 300m rear, and a Masen pad away, plus some grip swapping for the lower and GG. MSG Horrigan used an A2 for his GG with buttons and mine is currently set up with a Lonestar. Obviously I do not have a PEQ-2 or an NT4, so those will come later on. After recouping funds, I'll tear it back down and get a 14.5" SOCOM barrel with an NT4 pinned and welded with spacer. At that point, the only thing I'd be off on is the lower's rollmarks and those are covered up by the Redimag. |
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Posted: 3/7/2019 1:10:49 PM EDT
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Sounds right on to me. But I'm no expert. I'm getting old and my eyes aren't all that great but I swear the pic with him in the Gymnastics shirt and the one with the NV on in front of it almost make it look the ring was gold but a bit fainter than if it was like a new gold ring. Like it was painted or sharpie'd. LOL. And the other two pics we had up recently have scope caps on over it anyways. And that one of him standing by the truck outside has a different scope altogether if my memory serves me correctly. I thought that one was a 1-4. I'd have to go back and look.
Anyways.... good researching. |
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Posted: 3/7/2019 1:42:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JJREA:
Sounds right on to me. But I'm no expert. I'm getting old and my eyes aren't all that great but I swear the pic with him in the Gymnastics shirt and the one with the NV on in front of it almost make it look the ring was gold but a bit fainter than if it was like a new gold ring. Like it was painted or sharpie'd. LOL. And the other two pics we had up recently have scope caps on over it anyways. And that one of him standing by the truck outside has a different scope altogether if my memory serves me correctly. I thought that one was a 1-4. I'd have to go back and look. Anyways.... good researching. Also, the photo of him from LaRue's website shows a smooth filler tube, while all the rest are with the B railed tube. I'd really love to read more about him, but I haven't seen any full biographies so far just what has been written on a few websites in memorium. |
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Posted: 3/7/2019 4:15:41 PM EDT
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That would be a really neat book to read if someone knew him well enough to write it.
I have to admit, you lost me on the pics you are describing. Do you have those handy? |
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Posted: 3/7/2019 5:17:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JJREA:
That would be a really neat book to read if someone knew him well enough to write it. I have to admit, you lost me on the pics you are describing. Do you have those handy? This was the main photo we used to identify the scope. The rings looked pretty high to be KAC Standard/Med 1.273" height, and based on the glossiness assumed it was a commercial scope. The elevation cap also looks like he may have pulled it during a training run to adjust for the Simrounds, the shadow off it was throwing us for a loop until I found a youtube review of a glossy VX-3 and had some better scale comparisons.
This is the other one we used to identify the scope, and the attached clip-on Thermal, likely a L3 CQBS per Augee, runs at about a 1.52" height over rail. So that helped confirm the height of the rings, which while the MFI match the height and overall shape, they ended up being wider than we expected. They will stand-in for now until I source the mytical unicorn 1.5" KAC rings. That may not happen though as they were not standard production. The glossiness of the scope and worn paint were also apparent here. 
Another one where the turrets and glossiness of the scope showed up, as well as the little "nub" on the magnification ring. 
These two are from the same time, the scope threw me for a loop again because I don't see a lens cap and it looks matte, plus no gold ring or blacked out ring. Suspected that this may have been a different scope? Maybe M3A? Sadly like everything else, these were not high resolution and lots of shadows. 
These again threw me a bit, this one does seem to look about the same as the 2.5-8 with lens caps for length and looks to have partial paint. The one with him holding it in his armpit looked like it had a parrallax turret, but with the shadowing it's too hard to tell. 
And of course the LaRue website pic, with the smooth filler tube. The only one I think that obviously has an NT4 suppressor attached. Also clearly shows the chopped but not shaved/smooth FSB 
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Posted: 3/7/2019 6:04:17 PM EDT
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Thank you!! I had not seen some of those pics. I was so wrong about the pic by the truck. Looks like the same scope.
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NC, USA
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Posted: 3/7/2019 6:52:20 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Eyekahn]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lancecriminal86: Of course! This was the main photo we used to identify the scope. The rings looked pretty high to be KAC Standard/Med 1.273" height, and based on the glossiness assumed it was a commercial scope. The elevation cap also looks like he may have pulled it during a training run to adjust for the Simrounds, the shadow off it was throwing us for a loop until I found a youtube review of a glossy VX-3 and had some better scale comparisons. https://i.imgur.com/NEpxHMs.jpg This is the other one we used to identify the scope, and the attached clip-on Thermal, likely a L3 CQBS per Augee, runs at about a 1.52" height over rail. So that helped confirm the height of the rings, which while the MFI match the height and overall shape, they ended up being wider than we expected. They will stand-in for now until I source the mytical unicorn 1.5" KAC rings. That may not happen though as they were not standard production. The glossiness of the scope and worn paint were also apparent here. https://i.imgur.com/xuAKcmO.jpg Another one where the turrets and glossiness of the scope showed up, as well as the little "nub" on the magnification ring. https://i.imgur.com/WQHRT1N.jpg These two are from the same time, the scope threw me for a loop again because I don't see a lens cap and it looks matte, plus no gold ring or blacked out ring. Suspected that this may have been a different scope? Maybe M3A? Sadly like everything else, these were not high resolution and lots of shadows. https://i.imgur.com/VJQiMGR.jpg https://i.imgur.com/lCo3jU3.jpg These again threw me a bit, this one does seem to look about the same as the 2.5-8 with lens caps for length and looks to have partial paint. The one with him holding it in his armpit looked like it had a parrallax turret, but with the shadowing it's too hard to tell. https://i.imgur.com/CdJyb9r.jpg https://i.imgur.com/nStnbIq.jpg https://i.imgur.com/kSFU48o.jpg And of course the LaRue website pic, with the smooth filler tube. The only one I think that obviously has an NT4 suppressor attached. Also clearly shows the chopped but not shaved/smooth FSB https://i.imgur.com/LpsBOvC.jpg EDIT: upon further inspection those look to be raised cap bolts not slots. I second KAC rings as their mounts don’t use flush cap bolts. What rings were used on the MK11 Mod 0? Maybe they are the same? Also, why shim and pin the NT4? Going through all that trouble to get it as close as possible, why not SBR it? Unless your state won’t let you? |
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Posted: 3/7/2019 11:35:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Eyekahn:
Damn good research on this. That top photo really looks like those Barrett rings. Those look like slots on the cap. EDIT: upon further inspection those look to be raised cap bolts not slots. I second KAC rings as their mounts don’t use flush cap bolts. What rings were used on the MK11 Mod 0? Maybe they are the same? Also, why shim and pin the NT4? Going through all that trouble to get it as close as possible, why not SBR it? Unless your state won’t let you? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Eyekahn:
Originally Posted By lancecriminal86: Of course! This was the main photo we used to identify the scope. The rings looked pretty high to be KAC Standard/Med 1.273" height, and based on the glossiness assumed it was a commercial scope. The elevation cap also looks like he may have pulled it during a training run to adjust for the Simrounds, the shadow off it was throwing us for a loop until I found a youtube review of a glossy VX-3 and had some better scale comparisons. https://i.imgur.com/NEpxHMs.jpg This is the other one we used to identify the scope, and the attached clip-on Thermal, likely a L3 CQBS per Augee, runs at about a 1.52" height over rail. So that helped confirm the height of the rings, which while the MFI match the height and overall shape, they ended up being wider than we expected. They will stand-in for now until I source the mytical unicorn 1.5" KAC rings. That may not happen though as they were not standard production. The glossiness of the scope and worn paint were also apparent here. https://i.imgur.com/xuAKcmO.jpg Another one where the turrets and glossiness of the scope showed up, as well as the little "nub" on the magnification ring. https://i.imgur.com/WQHRT1N.jpg These two are from the same time, the scope threw me for a loop again because I don't see a lens cap and it looks matte, plus no gold ring or blacked out ring. Suspected that this may have been a different scope? Maybe M3A? Sadly like everything else, these were not high resolution and lots of shadows. https://i.imgur.com/VJQiMGR.jpg https://i.imgur.com/lCo3jU3.jpg These again threw me a bit, this one does seem to look about the same as the 2.5-8 with lens caps for length and looks to have partial paint. The one with him holding it in his armpit looked like it had a parrallax turret, but with the shadowing it's too hard to tell. https://i.imgur.com/CdJyb9r.jpg https://i.imgur.com/nStnbIq.jpg https://i.imgur.com/kSFU48o.jpg And of course the LaRue website pic, with the smooth filler tube. The only one I think that obviously has an NT4 suppressor attached. Also clearly shows the chopped but not shaved/smooth FSB https://i.imgur.com/LpsBOvC.jpg EDIT: upon further inspection those look to be raised cap bolts not slots. I second KAC rings as their mounts don’t use flush cap bolts. What rings were used on the MK11 Mod 0? Maybe they are the same? Also, why shim and pin the NT4? Going through all that trouble to get it as close as possible, why not SBR it? Unless your state won’t let you? Plus I have an ultra legit Holland so fudging here and there doesn't bother me like it used to. |
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Posted: 3/8/2019 12:38:52 AM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lancecriminal86: Of course! This was the main photo we used to identify the scope. The rings looked pretty high to be KAC Standard/Med 1.273" height, and based on the glossiness assumed it was a commercial scope. The elevation cap also looks like he may have pulled it during a training run to adjust for the Simrounds, the shadow off it was throwing us for a loop until I found a youtube review of a glossy VX-3 and had some better scale comparisons. https://i.imgur.com/NEpxHMs.jpg This is the other one we used to identify the scope, and the attached clip-on Thermal, likely a L3 CQBS per Augee, runs at about a 1.52" height over rail. So that helped confirm the height of the rings, which while the MFI match the height and overall shape, they ended up being wider than we expected. They will stand-in for now until I source the mytical unicorn 1.5" KAC rings. That may not happen though as they were not standard production. The glossiness of the scope and worn paint were also apparent here. https://i.imgur.com/xuAKcmO.jpg Another one where the turrets and glossiness of the scope showed up, as well as the little "nub" on the magnification ring. https://i.imgur.com/WQHRT1N.jpg These two are from the same time, the scope threw me for a loop again because I don't see a lens cap and it looks matte, plus no gold ring or blacked out ring. Suspected that this may have been a different scope? Maybe M3A? Sadly like everything else, these were not high resolution and lots of shadows. https://i.imgur.com/VJQiMGR.jpg https://i.imgur.com/lCo3jU3.jpg These again threw me a bit, this one does seem to look about the same as the 2.5-8 with lens caps for length and looks to have partial paint. The one with him holding it in his armpit looked like it had a parrallax turret, but with the shadowing it's too hard to tell. https://i.imgur.com/CdJyb9r.jpg https://i.imgur.com/nStnbIq.jpg https://i.imgur.com/kSFU48o.jpg And of course the LaRue website pic, with the smooth filler tube. The only one I think that obviously has an NT4 suppressor attached. Also clearly shows the chopped but not shaved/smooth FSB https://i.imgur.com/LpsBOvC.jpg |
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Posted: 3/8/2019 12:42:15 AM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RTUtah:
This nation lost a true patriot in Bob Horrigan. A modern-day recon man as ever there was. It all saddens me, really. |
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Posted: 3/8/2019 4:18:19 AM EDT
[#45]
A little late night update:
 Optic inbound, hunting and saving up for rings, saving for BCG and 300m rear, then a shiny Colt A2 grip to chop for the GG, a Masen buttpad, and some butler creek caps. Will use a cheap extra a2 from an LPK in the meantime and set up for buttons, but I won't be wiring thembuntil I get a PEQ-2 someday and have a Surefire old style pressure switch to sacrifice. |
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Posted: 3/8/2019 1:45:24 PM EDT
[Last Edit: JJREA]
[#46]
Wow, you really have it going on with that.
Now...... Call me dumb but what is the point of the 300 rear without a front sight? Maybe he had one he threw on? I don't get it. The FSB is chopped right? And I don't see one on the rail. I have an LMT that I throw on my recce when I want it. So maybe there was something like that going on? But doesn't seem field expedient. |
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Posted: 3/8/2019 2:31:47 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JJREA:
Wow, you really have it going on with that. Now...... Call me dumb but what is the point of the 300 rear without a front sight? Maybe he had one he threw on? I don't get it. The FSB is chopped right? And I don't see one on the rail. I have an LMT that I throw on my recce when I want it. So maybe there was something like that going on? But doesn't seem field expedient. It's really not an uncommon thing. Look at the Holland thread, most never had BUIS, only a few had offset red dots. |
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Posted: 3/8/2019 5:17:03 PM EDT
[Last Edit: JJREA]
[#48]
Yeah, that's my point. None needed on the rear either. BUT, if for some reason he had to remove the scope and throw on a front sight, at leas the rear was already there.... ?????
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Posted: 3/9/2019 12:27:27 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 44Echo10]
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lancecriminal86:
Of course! This was the main photo we used to identify the scope. The rings looked pretty high to be KAC Standard/Med 1.273" height, and based on the glossiness assumed it was a commercial scope. The elevation cap also looks like he may have pulled it during a training run to adjust for the Simrounds, the shadow off it was throwing us for a loop until I found a youtube review of a glossy VX-3 and had some better scale comparisons. https://i.imgur.com/NEpxHMs.jpg This is the other one we used to identify the scope, and the attached clip-on Thermal, likely a L3 CQBS per Augee, runs at about a 1.52" height over rail. So that helped confirm the height of the rings, which while the MFI match the height and overall shape, they ended up being wider than we expected. They will stand-in for now until I source the mytical unicorn 1.5" KAC rings. That may not happen though as they were not standard production. The glossiness of the scope and worn paint were also apparent here. https://i.imgur.com/xuAKcmO.jpg Another one where the turrets and glossiness of the scope showed up, as well as the little "nub" on the magnification ring. https://i.imgur.com/WQHRT1N.jpg These two are from the same time, the scope threw me for a loop again because I don't see a lens cap and it looks matte, plus no gold ring or blacked out ring. Suspected that this may have been a different scope? Maybe M3A? Sadly like everything else, these were not high resolution and lots of shadows. https://i.imgur.com/VJQiMGR.jpg https://i.imgur.com/lCo3jU3.jpg These again threw me a bit, this one does seem to look about the same as the 2.5-8 with lens caps for length and looks to have partial paint. The one with him holding it in his armpit looked like it had a parrallax turret, but with the shadowing it's too hard to tell. https://i.imgur.com/CdJyb9r.jpg https://i.imgur.com/nStnbIq.jpg https://i.imgur.com/kSFU48o.jpg And of course the LaRue website pic, with the smooth filler tube. The only one I think that obviously has an NT4 suppressor attached. Also clearly shows the chopped but not shaved/smooth FSB https://i.imgur.com/LpsBOvC.jpg Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lancecriminal86:
Originally Posted By JJREA:
That would be a really neat book to read if someone knew him well enough to write it. I have to admit, you lost me on the pics you are describing. Do you have those handy? This was the main photo we used to identify the scope. The rings looked pretty high to be KAC Standard/Med 1.273" height, and based on the glossiness assumed it was a commercial scope. The elevation cap also looks like he may have pulled it during a training run to adjust for the Simrounds, the shadow off it was throwing us for a loop until I found a youtube review of a glossy VX-3 and had some better scale comparisons. https://i.imgur.com/NEpxHMs.jpg This is the other one we used to identify the scope, and the attached clip-on Thermal, likely a L3 CQBS per Augee, runs at about a 1.52" height over rail. So that helped confirm the height of the rings, which while the MFI match the height and overall shape, they ended up being wider than we expected. They will stand-in for now until I source the mytical unicorn 1.5" KAC rings. That may not happen though as they were not standard production. The glossiness of the scope and worn paint were also apparent here. https://i.imgur.com/xuAKcmO.jpg Another one where the turrets and glossiness of the scope showed up, as well as the little "nub" on the magnification ring. https://i.imgur.com/WQHRT1N.jpg These two are from the same time, the scope threw me for a loop again because I don't see a lens cap and it looks matte, plus no gold ring or blacked out ring. Suspected that this may have been a different scope? Maybe M3A? Sadly like everything else, these were not high resolution and lots of shadows. https://i.imgur.com/VJQiMGR.jpg https://i.imgur.com/lCo3jU3.jpg These again threw me a bit, this one does seem to look about the same as the 2.5-8 with lens caps for length and looks to have partial paint. The one with him holding it in his armpit looked like it had a parrallax turret, but with the shadowing it's too hard to tell. https://i.imgur.com/CdJyb9r.jpg https://i.imgur.com/nStnbIq.jpg https://i.imgur.com/kSFU48o.jpg And of course the LaRue website pic, with the smooth filler tube. The only one I think that obviously has an NT4 suppressor attached. Also clearly shows the chopped but not shaved/smooth FSB https://i.imgur.com/LpsBOvC.jpg  )… anyway I came across two dead links for KAC high rings.
This dead link to impact guns lists the KAC PN as 23195... https://www.google.com/search?biw=1239&bih=624&tbm=isch&sa=1&ei=deWDXK-gI9iT0PEP5tihqAk&q=high+rings+kac+pn+23195&oq=high+rings+kac+pn+23195&gs_l=img.12...63473.66731..68561...0.0..0.148.1524.0j11......0....1..gws-wiz-img.oG9zeH9RnRk#imgrc=FsxTg8SkKfCpGM: This dead link to operation parts about half way down has the KAC PN as 23196... https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/What_rings_are_these__on_Mk11_Mod_0__/5-1121450/ Looking at Charlie's they list a Badger 1.4" as a substitute for the discontinued KAC high rings.."The KAC rings are not made anymore,". https://charliescustomclones.com/badger-ordnance-30mm-scope-ring-ultra-high-1-4-also-substitute-for-kac-30mm/ |
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Posted: 3/9/2019 1:08:01 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Eyekahn]
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 44Echo10: I have been looking at MK11 stuff lately... (that shit is expensive, I think I have come to my senses )… anyway I came across two dead links for KAC high rings.
This dead link to impact guns lists the KAC PN as 23195... https://www.google.com/search?biw=1239&bih=624&tbm=isch&sa=1&ei=deWDXK-gI9iT0PEP5tihqAk&q=high+rings+kac+pn+23195&oq=high+rings+kac+pn+23195&gs_l=img.12...63473.66731..68561...0.0..0.148.1524.0j11......0....1..gws-wiz-img.oG9zeH9RnRk#imgrc=FsxTg8SkKfCpGM: This dead link to operation parts about half way down has the KAC PN as 23196... https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/What_rings_are_these__on_Mk11_Mod_0__/5-1121450/ Looking at Charlie's they list a Badger 1.4" as a substitute for the discontinued KAC high rings.."The KAC rings are not made anymore,". https://charliescustomclones.com/badger-ordnance-30mm-scope-ring-ultra-high-1-4-also-substitute-for-kac-30mm/ That’s the only SR25 I really want. |
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