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Link Posted: 9/7/2021 8:03:28 PM EST
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Originally Posted By wayfaerer320:

Interesting.

Was contemplating putting one on my URG-I clone when I'm finally done this thing.

That is, until (if) Nightforce releases the tanodized ATACRs.
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(If) being important. NF won’t release it anytime soon.
Link Posted: 9/7/2021 8:33:01 PM EST
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Originally Posted By wayfaerer320:

Interesting.

Was contemplating putting one on my URG-I clone when I'm finally done this thing.

That is, until (if) Nightforce releases the tanodized ATACRs.
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Originally Posted By wayfaerer320:
Originally Posted By LsuJon:
Originally Posted By wayfaerer320:
Has the newer Vortex Razor HD Gen III 1-10x been spotted in the wild yet?
Yes. On a CQBR and 10th sfg is said to use it.

Interesting.

Was contemplating putting one on my URG-I clone when I'm finally done this thing.

That is, until (if) Nightforce releases the tanodized ATACRs.


Here’s a visual of what it would look like.  I had a Razor 1-10 for a bit.  Decided (regrettably) to sell it.  Have a T-2 on it now but want to pick up another Razor 1-10 at some point.  It’s an awesome scope and I thought it paired really well with the URG-I.

Link Posted: 9/7/2021 8:50:19 PM EST
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Originally Posted By HD2006:


Here's a visual of what it would look like.  I had a Razor 1-10 for a bit.  Decided (regrettably) to sell it.  Have a T-2 on it now but want to pick up another Razor 1-10 at some point.  It's an awesome scope and I thought it paired really well with the URG-I.

https://i.imgur.com/rsuvlmA.jpg
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Originally Posted By HD2006:
Originally Posted By wayfaerer320:
Originally Posted By LsuJon:
Originally Posted By wayfaerer320:
Has the newer Vortex Razor HD Gen III 1-10x been spotted in the wild yet?
Yes. On a CQBR and 10th sfg is said to use it.

Interesting.

Was contemplating putting one on my URG-I clone when I'm finally done this thing.

That is, until (if) Nightforce releases the tanodized ATACRs.


Here's a visual of what it would look like.  I had a Razor 1-10 for a bit.  Decided (regrettably) to sell it.  Have a T-2 on it now but want to pick up another Razor 1-10 at some point.  It's an awesome scope and I thought it paired really well with the URG-I.

https://i.imgur.com/rsuvlmA.jpg

Thanks for that - and yes, it does seem like a good fit for this type of rifle.

Looks great on there!
Link Posted: 9/7/2021 9:35:05 PM EST
[#4]
Anyone have a guess as to what cerakote color matches NF's .mil ATACRs?
Link Posted: 9/8/2021 3:48:31 PM EST
[Last Edit: ThRob] [#5]
Sounds like we will start seeing 11.5” URGI pretty soon. So what are we thinking we’ll see in terms of accessories? Mostly EOtechs and ELCANs? Think we’ll see more and more LAW folders?
Link Posted: 9/8/2021 4:44:57 PM EST
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Originally Posted By ThRob:
Sounds like we will start seeing 11.5” URGI pretty soon. So what are we thinking we’ll see in terms of accessories? Mostly EOtechs and ELCANs? Think we’ll see more and more LAW folders?
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Probably see the same stuff they are putting on CQBRs.
Link Posted: 9/8/2021 7:27:37 PM EST
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Originally Posted By wayfaerer320:
Anyone have a guess as to what cerakote color matches NF's .mil ATACRs?
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Krylon
Link Posted: 9/8/2021 11:37:00 PM EST
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Mostly EOTechs. Teams don’t seem to use Elcans a lot, I see those more on support guns. T2s are somewhat common too.
Link Posted: 9/8/2021 11:37:58 PM EST
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I expect to see some more LAW folders but not a lot. They’re just added weight if you don’t need that capability.
Link Posted: 9/9/2021 1:25:23 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Wake27:
Mostly EOTechs. Teams don’t seem to use Elcans a lot, I see those more on support guns. T2s are somewhat common too.
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Agree, probably mostly EXPS 3's on the shorter guns.  There are a ton of pictures of URGI's with elcans though, maybe those will stay on the 14.5's.
Link Posted: 9/16/2021 12:41:03 PM EST
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Very clean looking rig.

What type of IR / light switch is that?
Link Posted: 9/16/2021 12:44:05 PM EST
[Last Edit: Mindfull] [#12]
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Originally Posted By CloneKooK:


Very clean looking rig.

What type of IR / light switch is that?
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Cloud defensive rein switch
https://www.clouddefensive.com/rein-weapon-light/
https://www.clouddefensive.com/product/rein-remote-switch/
Link Posted: 9/17/2021 8:31:17 AM EST
[#13]
It still works, even though Surefire said they stopped making RC cans and gave me the option of the RC2; which I accepted.  This was back around February and shipped in late May to my dealer
Link Posted: 9/18/2021 1:23:08 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Wake27:
11.5s should be out in the next month or two.
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Rifles, uppers?
Link Posted: 9/18/2021 9:39:43 AM EST
[Last Edit: Wake27] [#15]
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Originally Posted By Gonzaar24:


Rifles, uppers?
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Uppers. I don't know if they're conversion kits or complete uppers though, I didn't pay that much attention. My guess is kits like the 14.5s.
Link Posted: 9/21/2021 12:42:28 PM EST
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I just received shipping notification from G on a 10.3 URGI upper. I ordered right as the BF coupon was expiring.
Link Posted: 9/22/2021 8:15:22 AM EST
[#17]
Unsure if it’s already been discussed, but the HRF concepts RCM is clone correct now.



Link Posted: 9/22/2021 8:54:37 AM EST
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Originally Posted By india13c:
Unsure if it's already been discussed, but the HRF concepts RCM is clone correct now.

https://i.imgur.com/jKz0xBk.png

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It's been seen a few times. However, not an issued item. But a great company and a cool simple product.
Link Posted: 9/22/2021 8:55:18 AM EST
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So what is clone correct? Somebody in USASOC has to use it at some point and there has to be a photo?
Link Posted: 9/22/2021 9:04:28 AM EST
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Then why even post half the photos in here of the real deal?

With that mindset this thread never needed to go past page 1.
Link Posted: 9/22/2021 9:32:53 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Wake27:
So what is clone correct? Somebody in USASOC has to use it at some point and there has to be a photo?
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Originally Posted By india13c:
Then why even post half the photos in here of the real deal?

With that mindset this thread never needed to go past page 1.
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A guy buying a Tapco whatever and putting it on his issued rifle doesn't make it "clone correct" unless you are 1 for 1 cloning his exact configuration, then it is a clone of his specific weapon.

We're talking about issued URG-Is, posting pictures of them, talking about availability of issued parts commercially, and posting pictures of our parts and clones in this thread.

It isn't that complicated.
Link Posted: 9/22/2021 9:58:09 AM EST
[Last Edit: india13c] [#22]
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Originally Posted By pezboytate:



A guy buying a Tapco whatever and putting it on his issued rifle doesn't make it "clone correct" unless you are 1 for 1 cloning his exact configuration, then it is a clone of his specific weapon.

We're talking about issued URG-Is, posting pictures of them, talking about availability of issued parts commercially, and posting pictures of our parts and clones in this thread.

It isn't that complicated.
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Cool, semantics.  So it’s “clone correct” only when it’s “clone correct”.  

Just call it seen on a real dude’s gun then.  My comment still stands, because that would make posting pics in the unissued configurations pointless.  If we were going off issued parts only these threads would be dead on page one.
Link Posted: 9/22/2021 10:43:40 AM EST
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Originally Posted By india13c:
Cool, semantics.  So it’s “clone correct” only when it’s “clone correct”.  
Just call it seen on a real dude’s gun then.  My comment still stands, because that would make posting pics in the unissued configurations pointless.  If we were going off issued parts only these threads would be dead on page one.
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It's always cool to see different end user loadouts and the clone threads are always open to that. The main point is this rifle is given to a specific organization in a specific configuration.  Individual end user preferences down range doesn't mean widespread issuance. That's how I always viewed clone threads.
Link Posted: 9/22/2021 10:47:00 AM EST
[#24]
What’s a good price for an Elcan 1/4x in fde?
Link Posted: 9/22/2021 9:02:48 PM EST
[Last Edit: wayfaerer320] [#25]
Link Posted: 9/24/2021 9:42:28 PM EST
[#26]
I guess I've fully embraced the Kool aid. I've got a second 556-RC2 on order from Surefire with my golden ticket, and I guess I need another PEQ. And a subdued charging handle. I've also been thinking about swapping the EOTech for an Elcan or another Razor. I think want to end up with magnified optics across the board on 5.56 (except my BHD clone).

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Link Posted: 9/25/2021 11:57:23 AM EST
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I just got the Geissele urgi charging handle.  The handle came in the DDC color, NSN roll marks, but it says "PN 05-664".   It does not say "PN 05-664S".  

The piece that hooks onto the outside of the upper receiver a slightly loose and rattles.  When installed in the upper it's fine, but none of my other charging handles are loose like this when not installed.  

So did I get a real Geissele urgi charging handle? Or is this some kind of airsoft version/knockoff?   (The part number not having the "S" at the end is what has me questioning this.)
Link Posted: 9/25/2021 12:42:20 PM EST
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Originally Posted By RX79G:
I just got the Geissele urgi charging handle.  The handle came in the DDC color, NSN roll marks, but it says "PN 05-664".   It does not say "PN 05-664S".  

The piece that hooks onto the outside of the upper receiver a slightly loose and rattles.  When installed in the upper it's fine, but none of my other charging handles are loose like this when not installed.  

So did I get a real Geissele urgi charging handle? Or is this some kind of airsoft version/knockoff?   (The part number not having the "S" at the end is what has me questioning this.)
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I bought one from PA in July and just received a URGI upper from G this week. Neither have a S after the part number.
Link Posted: 9/25/2021 12:48:48 PM EST
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Originally Posted By CFDFFEMT:



I bought one from PA in July and just received a URGI upper from G this week. Neither have a S after the part number.
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Originally Posted By RX79G:
I just got the Geissele urgi charging handle.  The handle came in the DDC color, NSN roll marks, but it says "PN 05-664".   It does not say "PN 05-664S".  

The piece that hooks onto the outside of the upper receiver a slightly loose and rattles.  When installed in the upper it's fine, but none of my other charging handles are loose like this when not installed.  

So did I get a real Geissele urgi charging handle? Or is this some kind of airsoft version/knockoff?   (The part number not having the "S" at the end is what has me questioning this.)



I bought one from PA in July and just received a URGI upper from G this week. Neither have a S after the part number.


I guess they must've dropped the S in their newer production?

Just out of curiosity, is your latch slightly loose as well? (When not installed)
Link Posted: 9/25/2021 12:54:24 PM EST
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Originally Posted By RX79G:


I guess they must've dropped the S in their newer production?

Just out of curiosity, is your latch slightly loose as well? (When not installed)
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Latch seems as tight as others. I will say the outside of the latch ( the part you see when it is installed) looks discolored. Almost looks like carbon build up on both latches.
Link Posted: 9/26/2021 11:42:08 AM EST
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Originally Posted By india13c:


Cool, semantics.  So it's "clone correct" only when it's "clone correct".  

Just call it seen on a real dude's gun then.  My comment still stands, because that would make posting pics in the unissued configurations pointless.  If we were going off issued parts only these threads would be dead on page one.
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I think the more appropriate term is Kosher
Link Posted: 9/26/2021 5:21:38 PM EST
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Originally Posted By india13c:


Cool, semantics.  So it’s “clone correct” only when it’s “clone correct”.  

Just call it seen on a real dude’s gun then.  My comment still stands, because that would make posting pics in the unissued configurations pointless.  If we were going off issued parts only these threads would be dead on page one.
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if by 'semantics' you mean 'common sense', then yes
Link Posted: 9/28/2021 1:44:52 AM EST
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Originally Posted By pezboytate:
United States Army Special Operations Command (USASOC) Upper Receiver Group, Improved (URG-I)



11.5" Upper Receiver Group, Improved- NSN 1005-01-684-1906

upper receiver- standard M4/M4A1

bolt carrier group- standard M16A4/M4/M4A1

charging handle- Geissele Airborne Charging Handle in Desert Dirt Color with subdued markings- P/N 05-664S- NSN 1005-01-672-4803

barrel- Daniel Defense 11.5" "GOV" profile- P/N 07-077-07108

gas block- Daniel Defense pinned gas block which only comes on their rifles and URGs or barrel assemblies. Not available separately.

gas tube- Daniel Defense carbine length- P/N 04-013-01009

hand guard- Geissele 10.5" MK16 in Desert Dirt Color- P/N 05-650S- NSN ? NSN 1005-01-685-0051

M-LOK rail section- Magpul 7 slot aluminum- P/N MAG582-BLK

sling mount- Magpul QD- P/N MAG606-BLK

muzzle device- SureFire 4 prong flash hider- P/N FH556RC

suppressor- SureFire SOCOM in Dark Earth- P/N SOCOM556-RC

rear BUIS- Matech

front BUIS- Knight's Armament Front Flip Sight in Taupe

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In case anyone was wondering what the NSN was for the 10.5" MK16, it is NSN 1005-01-685-0051
Link Posted: 9/28/2021 1:49:29 AM EST
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Originally Posted By CFDFFEMT:


Latch seems as tight as others. I will say the outside of the latch ( the part you see when it is installed) looks discolored. Almost looks like carbon build up on both latches.
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When you say it seems as tight as others, are you saying it has a slight amount of up and down play? or no play at all?  

My other (non-geissele) charging handles have zero up and down play, while this one has about 1.5mm of play.  

My latch has that same discolored look that you described as well.
Link Posted: 9/28/2021 6:44:55 AM EST
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In case anyone was wondering what the NSN was for the 10.5" MK16, it is NSN 1005-01-685-0051
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Thanks!
Link Posted: 9/28/2021 9:45:44 AM EST
[Last Edit: beefboi99] [#36]
Ordered a MK16 Rail. Has anyone seen rails with these dark line running down the rails? Should I send it back? I paid full price.

https://imgur.com/a/DLcFbWtAttachment Attached File
Link Posted: 9/28/2021 10:03:20 AM EST
[#37]
Does anyone have a current lead for the Matech rear sight? I'm assuming clone correct does not have the "Picatinny" logo. Any help with this?
Link Posted: 9/28/2021 10:09:24 AM EST
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Originally Posted By TNRunner99:
Does anyone have a current lead for the Matech rear sight? I'm assuming clone correct does not have the "Picatinny" logo. Any help with this?
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Ebay, EE or these:

https://intlmilco.com/matech-new-take-off-buis/

Doesn’t look like they are marked.  The  owner is @techno_000.  He could probably confirm it.
Link Posted: 9/28/2021 10:56:02 AM EST
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Originally Posted By m1afan1000:

Ebay, EE or these:

https://intlmilco.com/matech-new-take-off-buis/

Doesn’t look like they are marked.  The  owner is @techno_000.  He could probably confirm it.
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Sharks Arms has some for cheap.
Link Posted: 9/28/2021 11:02:34 AM EST
[#40]
You could also contact Shark Arms. I think they had them for $55
Link Posted: 9/28/2021 11:03:28 AM EST
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Originally Posted By BlueDevilBrew:


Sharks Arms has some for cheap.
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Wow, just looked.  They have them for $30.
Link Posted: 9/28/2021 11:28:27 AM EST
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Originally Posted By m1afan1000:

Wow, just looked.  They have them for $30.
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That's the price if you are buying an Upper.
Link Posted: 9/28/2021 12:18:46 PM EST
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Originally Posted By beefboi99:
Ordered a MK16 Rail. Has anyone seen rails with these dark line running down the rails? Should I send it back? I paid full price.

https://imgur.com/a/DLcFbWthttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/452881/0315ACA1-75A8-47EE-8584-EF1E612DA65B_jpe-2109120.JPG
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Yes, I ordered 4 of them.  3 of the 4 had this line on both sides and all 4 had it on the bottom.  

https://geissele.com/anodize-shade-variations-and-finish-methods

Geissele basically says on their site that this is a normal variation with their anodizing process.
Link Posted: 9/28/2021 2:06:05 PM EST
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Originally Posted By RX79G:


Yes, I ordered 4 of them.  3 of the 4 had this line on both sides and all 4 had it on the bottom.  

https://geissele.com/anodize-shade-variations-and-finish-methods

Geissele basically says on their site that this is a normal variation with their anodizing process.
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Ok thanks!
Link Posted: 9/28/2021 5:02:31 PM EST
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Originally Posted By beefboi99:
Ordered a MK16 Rail. Has anyone seen rails with these dark line running down the rails? Should I send it back? I paid full price.

https://imgur.com/a/DLcFbWthttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/452881/0315ACA1-75A8-47EE-8584-EF1E612DA65B_jpe-2109120.JPG
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That’s how my Blem MK16 rail came with a dark line on each side, paid $260 six months ago.
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Link Posted: 9/28/2021 9:34:47 PM EST
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Originally Posted By m1afan1000:

Ebay, EE or these:

https://intlmilco.com/matech-new-take-off-buis/

Doesn't look like they are marked.  The  owner is @techno_000.  He could probably confirm it.
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His roll marked lowers look really good.
Link Posted: 9/29/2021 11:47:10 AM EST
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Originally Posted By RX79G:


Yes, I ordered 4 of them.  3 of the 4 had this line on both sides and all 4 had it on the bottom.  

https://geissele.com/anodize-shade-variations-and-finish-methods

Geissele basically says on their site that this is a normal variation with their anodizing process.
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Originally Posted By RX79G:
Originally Posted By beefboi99:
Ordered a MK16 Rail. Has anyone seen rails with these dark line running down the rails? Should I send it back? I paid full price.

https://imgur.com/a/DLcFbWthttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/452881/0315ACA1-75A8-47EE-8584-EF1E612DA65B_jpe-2109120.JPG


Yes, I ordered 4 of them.  3 of the 4 had this line on both sides and all 4 had it on the bottom.  

https://geissele.com/anodize-shade-variations-and-finish-methods

Geissele basically says on their site that this is a normal variation with their anodizing process.


Dang, I wouldn't be happy with that and I'm not OCD about color matching and whatnot.
Link Posted: 9/29/2021 12:21:34 PM EST
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So the True North MLOK handstop is clone kosher now

edit for spell
Link Posted: 10/1/2021 2:03:02 PM EST
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Originally Posted By m1afan1000:

Ebay, EE or these:

https://intlmilco.com/matech-new-take-off-buis/

Doesn’t look like they are marked.  The  owner is @techno_000.  He could probably confirm it.
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Anything I have is legit. I don’t mess with anything non Milspec or takeoff.

The only thing I sell that isn’t OG military is my lowers or my A1 uppers. They are as close as it gets

My buddy may have some if y’all still need them.

Those MaTechs I had came right off of Marine issued M16A4’s.
Link Posted: 10/1/2021 2:39:32 PM EST
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