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Posted: 5/24/2024 4:34:15 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PA-Minuteman: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/425704/IMG_0652_jpeg-3222335.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/425704/IMG_0653_jpeg-3222336.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/425704/IMG_0654_jpeg-3222338.JPG Got my can today!!!!!! Total of 4 days since submitted!! Now my Mod 1 is complete (still need to finish the case) noice. Man these are awesome turn around times |
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Posted: 5/24/2024 5:11:50 PM EST
[Last Edit: SecretSquirell]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PA-Minuteman: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/425704/IMG_0652_jpeg-3222335.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/425704/IMG_0653_jpeg-3222336.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/425704/IMG_0654_jpeg-3222338.JPG Got my can today!!!!!! Total of 4 days since submitted!! Now my Mod 1 is complete (still need to finish the case) I hate you.  Oh, and you need to paint that bitch asap. |
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Posted: 5/24/2024 6:51:23 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SecretSquirell: I hate you. Oh, and you need to paint that bitch asap. |
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Posted: 5/24/2024 7:08:08 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PA-Minuteman: I don't know if I'm brave enough to dare paint it Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PA-Minuteman: Originally Posted By SecretSquirell: I hate you. Oh, and you need to paint that bitch asap. 
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GA, USA
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Posted: 5/24/2024 7:57:38 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cebiNg: I didn't know this was a thing. Pretty cool. I wonder if a Gen II is in the works. I'd be in for one of those. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cebiNg: Originally Posted By teamjawbox: Looks like PRI has their first #38 on the site now. https://www.precisionreflex.com/forearm-rails/2223-pri-gen-iii-no-38-top-rail.html I didn't know this was a thing. Pretty cool. I wonder if a Gen II is in the works. I'd be in for one of those. |
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Posted: 5/24/2024 9:44:30 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By thatARMSguy: They are going to do pic rail and PEQ versions for both the Gen II and III handguards. Only complaint I have is that they marked that one "MOD 0", when it's actually a copy of the #38 SPR MOD 1. Hopefully the other versions will be properly marked Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By thatARMSguy: Originally Posted By cebiNg: Originally Posted By teamjawbox: Looks like PRI has their first #38 on the site now. https://www.precisionreflex.com/forearm-rails/2223-pri-gen-iii-no-38-top-rail.html I didn't know this was a thing. Pretty cool. I wonder if a Gen II is in the works. I'd be in for one of those. Was wondering why they did that also. |
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Posted: 5/25/2024 6:39:02 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PA-Minuteman: I don't know if I'm brave enough to dare paint it Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PA-Minuteman: Originally Posted By SecretSquirell: I hate you. Oh, and you need to paint that bitch asap. Buy the paint and a couple tall boys. Drink one tall boy and then see if you’re still too scared  Attached File |
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Posted: 5/25/2024 8:20:41 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By towerofpower94: Buy the paint and a couple tall boys. Drink one tall boy and then see if you’re still too scared https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/302703/IMG_4639_jpeg-3222839.JPG Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By towerofpower94: Originally Posted By PA-Minuteman: Originally Posted By SecretSquirell: I hate you. Oh, and you need to paint that bitch asap. Buy the paint and a couple tall boys. Drink one tall boy and then see if you’re still too scared https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/302703/IMG_4639_jpeg-3222839.JPG This. It also helps you to not overthink the pattern. All of the paint jobs that I tried to get "perfect" didn't come out like I wanted. The ones where I just go with the flow were the best. Plus, Citristrip will make pretty much any spray paint its bitch and you can start over. |
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GA, USA
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Posted: 5/25/2024 11:09:43 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By teamjawbox: Was wondering why they did that also. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 5/26/2024 6:38:29 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By thatARMSguy: My best guess is to make sure people know it goes on a Mod 0 and not a Mod 1, though I'm pretty sure most people who care enough to get the (almost) correct swan sleeve will know how to build a proper Mk 12 Well, if they are going as far in making sure people know it's for a Mod0, then they need one marked Mod1 in the form of a #36 S-EX too. Bueller? ...Bueller? .....Bueller? |
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Posted: 5/27/2024 2:21:30 PM EST
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Posted: 5/27/2024 5:00:24 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SecretSquirell: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/204916/20240527_133540-3225006.jpg  . Pics like that make me think of pages like 1132. Pure fire. |
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Posted: 5/27/2024 6:55:36 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryOriginally Posted By teamjawbox: Originally Posted By SecretSquirell: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/204916/20240527_133540-3225006.jpg . Pics like that make me think of pages like 1132. Pure fire.  New tube shoots way better than the BA that was in there. Just a quick zero with about 50 or 60 more rounds just to verify function. PSA's AAC 77gr does pretty well. Haven't had much time between storms here. Gotta break out the steel next time and stretch it out. |
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Posted: 5/27/2024 10:16:40 PM EST
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went to visit my aem5 (Ron built) in jail today and wanted to see how many turns it took to twist on. I got 5 turns which doesn’t sound right. Does that mean I need the spacer for it? I got my collar and break back in 2017 and don’t believe it came with a spacer. If i need it im guessing an email to Adco or something?
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MT, USA
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Posted: 5/28/2024 8:52:22 AM EST
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Adding shims in there should do the trick. The magic number seems be around 8.5 turns.
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Posted: 5/28/2024 9:33:13 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Fives: went to visit my aem5 (Ron built) in jail today and wanted to see how many turns it took to twist on. I got 5 turns which doesn’t sound right. Does that mean I need the spacer for it? I got my collar and break back in 2017 and don’t believe it came with a spacer. If i need it im guessing an email to Adco or something? At 5 turns and you're not running a spacer, I'd def try and add that in, then add any shims needed to get proper alignment on the brake. To add 4 turns worth of shims doesn't seem appealing to me when the spacer exists from Ron. I think I have 1 more spare spacer if you need one, just lemme know. Had a couple for instances just like this and still have one left. |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 5/28/2024 11:13:45 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Fives: went to visit my aem5 (Ron built) in jail today and wanted to see how many turns it took to twist on. I got 5 turns which doesn’t sound right. Does that mean I need the spacer for it? I got my collar and break back in 2017 and don’t believe it came with a spacer. If i need it im guessing an email to Adco or something? Crush washer isn't still SOP? |
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Posted: 5/28/2024 11:33:14 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Eyekahn: Crush washer isn't still SOP? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Eyekahn: Originally Posted By Fives: went to visit my aem5 (Ron built) in jail today and wanted to see how many turns it took to twist on. I got 5 turns which doesn't sound right. Does that mean I need the spacer for it? I got my collar and break back in 2017 and don't believe it came with a spacer. If i need it im guessing an email to Adco or something? Crush washer isn't still SOP? |
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Posted: 5/28/2024 12:03:48 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By metalsaber: curious as well. i've used crush washers on 2 builds so far and all been perfect. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By metalsaber: Originally Posted By Eyekahn: Originally Posted By Fives: went to visit my aem5 (Ron built) in jail today and wanted to see how many turns it took to twist on. I got 5 turns which doesn't sound right. Does that mean I need the spacer for it? I got my collar and break back in 2017 and don't believe it came with a spacer. If i need it im guessing an email to Adco or something? Crush washer isn't still SOP? Same. |
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Posted: 5/28/2024 3:19:37 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By UndrGrndPrdcts: Same. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By UndrGrndPrdcts: Originally Posted By metalsaber: Originally Posted By Eyekahn: Originally Posted By Fives: went to visit my aem5 (Ron built) in jail today and wanted to see how many turns it took to twist on. I got 5 turns which doesn't sound right. Does that mean I need the spacer for it? I got my collar and break back in 2017 and don't believe it came with a spacer. If i need it im guessing an email to Adco or something? Crush washer isn't still SOP? Same. Crush washers are generally a no go for suppressor use but with the use of a taper mount and how far back it is on the barrel it is its a non issue on MK12s. That being said I still prefer using the new spacer with timing shims. Just a peace of mind really. |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 5/28/2024 4:35:31 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheTacticalCoyote: Crush washers are generally a no go for suppressor use but with the use of a taper mount and how far back it is on the barrel it is its a non issue on MK12s. That being said I still prefer using the new spacer with timing shims. Just a peace of mind really. @bigbore Could you please link your crush washer run out video/test in here. I can't find that thread you posted it in. Thanks. |
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Posted: 5/28/2024 7:43:43 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Eyekahn: @bigbore Could you please link your crush washer run out video/test in here. I can't find that thread you posted it in. Thanks.  Crush Washer VS Shim |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 5/28/2024 8:32:29 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Fives: went to visit my aem5 (Ron built) in jail today and wanted to see how many turns it took to twist on. I got 5 turns which doesn’t sound right. Does that mean I need the spacer for it? I got my collar and break back in 2017 and don’t believe it came with a spacer. If i need it im guessing an email to Adco or something? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Fives: went to visit my aem5 (Ron built) in jail today and wanted to see how many turns it took to twist on. I got 5 turns which doesn’t sound right. Does that mean I need the spacer for it? I got my collar and break back in 2017 and don’t believe it came with a spacer. If i need it im guessing an email to Adco or something? Use the crush washer per Steve from ADCO's test which showed zero runout difference between a shim and crush washer using an AE brake and factory colt barrel. You should be getting about 8 turns |
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Posted: 5/28/2024 8:32:40 PM EST
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Well…sold my 36 s-ex and Mk4, funded an NXS off the EE.
Not an F1 unfortunately, but I’m really digging this look. Need to get it sighted in and painted. Struggling with the idea of painting this thing. I really like how it came out.  Attached File |
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Posted: 5/28/2024 9:08:19 PM EST
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Guns I have no problem painting but not high end optics.
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Posted: 5/28/2024 9:17:25 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By metalsaber: Guns I have no problem painting but not high end optics. Funny enough…the scope was painted when I bought it, but I stripped it in about 10 minutes with citristrip. Guess I know it’s easy to reverse. |
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Posted: 5/28/2024 10:07:17 PM EST
[Last Edit: Fives]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By UndrGrndPrdcts: Same. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By UndrGrndPrdcts: Originally Posted By metalsaber: Originally Posted By Eyekahn: Originally Posted By Fives: went to visit my aem5 (Ron built) in jail today and wanted to see how many turns it took to twist on. I got 5 turns which doesn't sound right. Does that mean I need the spacer for it? I got my collar and break back in 2017 and don't believe it came with a spacer. If i need it im guessing an email to Adco or something? Crush washer isn't still SOP? Same. sorry for the late reply. So I believe yes did use a washer. I put this together around 7-8 years ago and so i’m a little fuzzy on what what I used so I needed to get home and see for sure lol. So this is a WOA 18 inch spr barrel (please disregard the poor paint job I did not know what i was doing back then) that is supposed to be mk12 compatible. Eventually I do want to change it out to a Douglas. That might be my problem.  Attached File |
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Posted: 5/28/2024 10:12:15 PM EST
[Last Edit: Fives]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By teamjawbox: At 5 turns and you're not running a spacer, I'd def try and add that in, then add any shims needed to get proper alignment on the brake. To add 4 turns worth of shims doesn't seem appealing to me when the spacer exists from Ron. I think I have 1 more spare spacer if you need one, just lemme know. Had a couple for instances just like this and still have one left. @teamjawbox I just posted a picture, again i installed this around 7 years ago but it looks like there is a spacer in there after all. Perhaps I didn’t install something properly? If i’m missing a spacer i’d gladly take up your offer and pay you for it. |
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Posted: 5/29/2024 9:52:07 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Fives: @teamjawbox I just posted a picture, again i installed this around 7 years ago but it looks like there is a spacer in there after all. Perhaps I didn’t install something properly? If i’m missing a spacer i’d gladly take up your offer and pay you for it. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Fives: Originally Posted By teamjawbox: At 5 turns and you're not running a spacer, I'd def try and add that in, then add any shims needed to get proper alignment on the brake. To add 4 turns worth of shims doesn't seem appealing to me when the spacer exists from Ron. I think I have 1 more spare spacer if you need one, just lemme know. Had a couple for instances just like this and still have one left. @teamjawbox I just posted a picture, again i installed this around 7 years ago but it looks like there is a spacer in there after all. Perhaps I didn’t install something properly? If i’m missing a spacer i’d gladly take up your offer and pay you for it. I've got a WOA barrel from around 7 years ago as well and have the same spacer as you and ran into the same issue. I emailed Ron and was able to get a replacement collar that has the taper set further back to get more turns. |
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Posted: 5/29/2024 6:43:56 PM EST
[Last Edit: teamjawbox]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By joegoos: I've got a WOA barrel from around 7 years ago as well and have the same spacer as you and ran into the same issue. I emailed Ron and was able to get a replacement collar that has the taper set further back to get more turns. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By joegoos: Originally Posted By Fives: Originally Posted By teamjawbox: At 5 turns and you're not running a spacer, I'd def try and add that in, then add any shims needed to get proper alignment on the brake. To add 4 turns worth of shims doesn't seem appealing to me when the spacer exists from Ron. I think I have 1 more spare spacer if you need one, just lemme know. Had a couple for instances just like this and still have one left. @teamjawbox I just posted a picture, again i installed this around 7 years ago but it looks like there is a spacer in there after all. Perhaps I didn’t install something properly? If i’m missing a spacer i’d gladly take up your offer and pay you for it. I've got a WOA barrel from around 7 years ago as well and have the same spacer as you and ran into the same issue. I emailed Ron and was able to get a replacement collar that has the taper set further back to get more turns. @Fives sounds like @joegoos has the solution as it appears you already have the AE spacer. You could try a crush washer to see if any difference, but it appears that won’t get you to your desired number of turns either. Every issued barrel I’ve had or have heard others talk about was similar in that it was lucky if you got a few full turns. So the WOA is holding true to tradition in that case, though possibly for a different reason I’d heed joegoos advice. That’s likely the safest best to get you to the number of turns you’re looking for. |
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Posted: 5/30/2024 4:51:16 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By revottuneda4: Well…sold my 36 s-ex and Mk4, funded an NXS off the EE. Not an F1 unfortunately, but I’m really digging this look. Need to get it sighted in and painted. Struggling with the idea of painting this thing. I really like how it came out. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/181541/IMG_1599_jpeg-3226149.JPG Wait, you've given up S-EX? What are you thinking? |
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Posted: 5/30/2024 5:49:05 PM EST
[Last Edit: TW56]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BravoSierra: Wait, you've given up S-EX? What are you thinking? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BravoSierra: Originally Posted By revottuneda4: Well…sold my 36 s-ex and Mk4, funded an NXS off the EE. Not an F1 unfortunately, but I’m really digging this look. Need to get it sighted in and painted. Struggling with the idea of painting this thing. I really like how it came out. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/181541/IMG_1599_jpeg-3226149.JPG Wait, you've given up S-EX? What are you thinking? Giving up my #38 S-EX was as easy as putting it up for sale in the EE! |
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Posted: 5/30/2024 6:11:03 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TW56: Giving up a #38 S-EX was as easy as putting it up for sale in the EE! The world has gone mad. Tell me it aint so. |
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Posted: 5/30/2024 6:22:27 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BravoSierra: Wait, you've given up S-EX? What are you thinking? I’ve given up not only a 38, but a 36 in the past two years. I love the 36 looks, but I didn’t have the TS30 to do it justice for the FDNY clone, and I wanted something with a little better magnification and illumination. I’ve seen another 36 for sale this year, if I ever want another I’m sure I can binge forums to find another. |
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Posted: 5/30/2024 8:29:18 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By joegoos: I've got a WOA barrel from around 7 years ago as well and have the same spacer as you and ran into the same issue. I emailed Ron and was able to get a replacement collar that has the taper set further back to get more turns. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By joegoos: Originally Posted By Fives: Originally Posted By teamjawbox: At 5 turns and you're not running a spacer, I'd def try and add that in, then add any shims needed to get proper alignment on the brake. To add 4 turns worth of shims doesn't seem appealing to me when the spacer exists from Ron. I think I have 1 more spare spacer if you need one, just lemme know. Had a couple for instances just like this and still have one left. @teamjawbox I just posted a picture, again i installed this around 7 years ago but it looks like there is a spacer in there after all. Perhaps I didn’t install something properly? If i’m missing a spacer i’d gladly take up your offer and pay you for it. I've got a WOA barrel from around 7 years ago as well and have the same spacer as you and ran into the same issue. I emailed Ron and was able to get a replacement collar that has the taper set further back to get more turns. @joegoos Thank you sir I will be reaching out to Ron. Hope he has the time to help me out. |
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Posted: 5/30/2024 8:30:36 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By teamjawbox: @Fives sounds like @joegoos has the solution as it appears you already have the AE spacer. You could try a crush washer to see if any difference, but it appears that won’t get you to your desired number of turns either. Every issued barrel I’ve had or have heard others talk about was similar in that it was lucky if you got a few full turns. So the WOA is holding true to tradition in that case, though possibly for a different reason I’d heed joegoos advice. That’s likely the safest best to get you to the number of turns you’re looking for. @teamjawbox Yup thank you all for the input. I reallly appreciate it! |
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Posted: 5/30/2024 8:43:23 PM EST
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I typically measure with feeler gauges to determine how thick of a spacer I need. With the AE brake, I needed .030 to time properly. I added .002" for crush then added 0.37" for each exposed thread visible protruding from the muzzle brake in the expansion port. I parted a spacer from a stainless barrel stub and ground (trial and error) for a couple minutes until it timed properly. Degrease and Rocksett.
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Posted: 6/2/2024 11:48:34 PM EST
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Does anyone have the blueprint for machining the flats into a Mod 0 barrel for the set screw gas block? I know I have seen it before but I can't find it again.
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Posted: 6/3/2024 12:32:56 PM EST
[Last Edit: HotLead]
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 ETA: Disregard the "Plunge 0.235", this was based on my barrel |
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Posted: 6/3/2024 1:27:21 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Subpar: Not that I’ve ever seen, but these other guys know way more about the MK12 than I do. I’ve read on here multiple times that the flash hiders have a negative effect on accuracy. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Subpar: Originally Posted By cebiNg: Were the Ops Birdcage used in any capacity with the MK12 at any point in it’s inception and on? Any source for the original design? RonA (@k31user)? ADCO and OC have a variation of it.  Not that I’ve ever seen, but these other guys know way more about the MK12 than I do. I’ve read on here multiple times that the flash hiders have a negative effect on accuracy. @cebiNg @Subpar I've got a couple of the original A1 style in the middle unused for 15 years that I've thought about using on a SPR build because I like the no timing simplicity and with an 18" barrel the lack of the brake inside the suppressor is less of a concern. Would the accuracy problems be because the the A1 style has the possibility of buildup around the crown? |
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Posted: 6/3/2024 2:38:45 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HotLead: https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53767272709_fe76f1773e_c.jpg ETA: Disregard the "Plunge 0.235", this was based on my barrel Interesting, had a full address FSB with this style base but ADCO did not perform this service, ended up swapping bases with a current production one. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 6/3/2024 6:20:02 PM EST
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Hey all.
Mr Allen blessed me with keeping the wrench for the brake. If anyone needs to borrow it for an install, let me know and I'll send it to you. Thank you Ron! |
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MT, USA
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Posted: 6/3/2024 6:29:59 PM EST
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Ron is the man and a pleasure to work with. I always enjoy my conversations with him.
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Posted: 6/3/2024 9:12:06 PM EST
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Has anyone used the Ops 12 cut Ballistic Advantage barrels?
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Posted: 6/3/2024 9:17:12 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DoubleARon: Has anyone used the Ops 12 cut Ballistic Advantage barrels? Had one on my H. Could never get a group better than about 2" no matter what ammo I used. IIRC @Haveblue83 has/had one that did really well for him. |
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Posted: 6/4/2024 9:48:41 AM EST
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Recent instagram post looks like NF is hinting at another run of 2.5-10x24 scopes
About time. Used prices on them were getting ridiculous |
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IL, USA
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Posted: 6/4/2024 10:23:14 AM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By revottuneda4: Well…sold my 36 s-ex and Mk4, funded an NXS off the EE. Not an F1 unfortunately, but I’m really digging this look. Need to get it sighted in and painted. Struggling with the idea of painting this thing. I really like how it came out. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/181541/IMG_1599_jpeg-3226149.JPG I actually went from a 3.5-15 to a 2.5-8. The weight made a huge difference for me going to the lighter Mk4. But the nxs does look great on your setup. |
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Posted: 6/4/2024 4:50:05 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By hetzen: I actually went from a 3.5-15 to a 2.5-8. The weight made a huge difference for me going to the lighter Mk4. But the nxs does look great on your setup. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By hetzen: Originally Posted By revottuneda4: Well…sold my 36 s-ex and Mk4, funded an NXS off the EE. Not an F1 unfortunately, but I’m really digging this look. Need to get it sighted in and painted. Struggling with the idea of painting this thing. I really like how it came out. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/181541/IMG_1599_jpeg-3226149.JPG I actually went from a 3.5-15 to a 2.5-8. The weight made a huge difference for me going to the lighter Mk4. But the nxs does look great on your setup. The weight was the only thing I didn’t like about the 3.5-15x NSX. 
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MT, USA
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Posted: 6/4/2024 4:54:33 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Shlouf: Recent instagram post looks like NF is hinting at another run of 2.5-10x24 scopes About time. Used prices on them were getting ridiculous $3900 was the highest I saw one for on ebay. Not sure if it sold for that price or not but it hung around awhile. |
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Posted: 6/4/2024 4:57:09 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cebiNg: $3900 was the highest I saw one for on ebay. Not sure if it sold for that price or not but it hung around awhile. |
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