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Official Secret Service Counter Assault Team SR-16 E3 CQB Clone Picture and Discussion Thread (Page 1 of 3)
Posted: 2/28/2021 6:11:30 PM EDT
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MODS: Don't move this to GD. Just like every other AR/M4 clone thread it belongs here in Tech. You moving this the last time resulted in the typical GD nonsense So the original thread was archived so I'm recreating it since it was such a cool thread. Pics of in service SR-16’s:         Build list so far: Gen III SR-16 E3 CQB Upper Upper Receiver - SR-15/16 E3 CQB Gen III 11.5” Upper Receiver Rail System - KAC URX 2 Mid-Length Charging Handle - KAC Charging Handle Bolt Carrier - KAC Phosphate Carrier Front sight - URX 2 integral Rear Sight - KAC 600 Meter or KAC 600 Meter Micro Optics - Aimpoint T-1/2 or Aimpoint Comp M2/3 Optic Mount - LaRue LT-660, Factory Mount (T-1), Wilcox P/N13600G01 (Comp M2) KAC 30mm Aimpoint Comp Mount P/N 98073-1 (Comp M2) Magnifier - Aimpoint 3x IR Laser - Steiner D-BAL A3 or Insight TPIAL (AN/PEQ-2A) or Black/Tan Insight ATPIAL (AN/PEQ-15) Light - Insight M3X (Incandescent or LED module) or Streamlight TLR-1 HL Muzzle Device - KAC NT4-QDSS Flash Hider Handguard Accessories - KAC 11-Rib Rail Cover Panels P/N:95047, LaRue FUG, KAC Foward Pistol Grip P/N:97098 Lower Lower Receiver - Complete QD Cup SR-15 IWS Lower or Complete Newer SR-15 IWS Lower Trigger - KAC 2-Stage Pistol Grip - KAC A2 or Magpul MIAD or Magpul MOE Stock -Black LMT SOPMOD or Black Magpul CTR Sling - Black Blue Force Gear VCAS or VTAC or Magpul M3 MOD 1 SR-16 E3 CQB Upper Upper Receiver - SR-15/16 E3 CQB MOD 1 11.5” Upper Receiver Rail System - KAC URX 3.1 10.75 Charging Handle - KAC Charging Handle Bolt Carrier - KAC Phosphate Carrier Optics - Aimpoint T-1/2 or Aimpoint Comp M2/3 or Vortex Razor HD Gen II 1-6x24 Front Sight - KAC Micro Rear Sight - KAC 600 Meter Micro Optic Mount - LaRue LT-660, Factory Mount (T-1), Wilcox P/N13600G01 (Comp M2) KAC 30mm Aimpoint Comp Mount P/N 98073-1 (Comp M2) (need help identifying Vortex Mount) Magnifier - Aimpoint 3x IR Laser - Black/Tan Insight ATPIAL (AN/PEQ-15) Light - Insight M3X (Incandescent or LED module) or Streamlight TLR-1 HL Muzzle Device - KAC NT4-QDSS Flash Hider Handguard accessories - KAC URX 3.1 Panels & Handstops Lower Lower Receiver - Complete QD Cup SR-15 IWS Lower or Complete Newer SR-15 IWS Lower Trigger - KAC 2-Stage Pistol Grip - KAC A2 or Magpul MIAD or Magpul MOE Stock - Black LMT SOPMOD or Black Magpul CTR Sling - Black Blue Force Gear VCAS or VTAC or Magpul M3/4 Lower Accesories - (Optional) Law Tactical Gen 3 Folder        |
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Originally Posted By AZgunner: Same, somewhat surprised. I wonder if certain teams are using them or if it's a gear selection made at the agent level? Originally Posted By AZgunner: Originally Posted By Easy_E: The first time I've seen drum magazines in use . Same, somewhat surprised. I wonder if certain teams are using them or if it's a gear selection made at the agent level? They may be the designated "suppressive fire" dudes |
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Originally Posted By voodochild: No surpressors, no triple tap muzzle brake? Interesting to see their setup's. Their original 14.5 SR's had NT4 hiders, but still no NT4s. PR optics have always been a top agency priority, which is my guess why cans still aren't standard. CAT's helmets and plate carriers were first issued sometime over the the last decade or so. Change is slow over there. |
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Originally Posted By Cajunkraut: Their original 14.5 SR's had NT4 hiders, but still no NT4s. PR optics have always been a top agency priority, which is my guess why cans still aren't standard. CAT's helmets and plate carriers were first issued sometime over the the last decade or so. Change is slow over there. Originally Posted By Cajunkraut: Originally Posted By voodochild: No surpressors, no triple tap muzzle brake? Interesting to see their setup's. Their original 14.5 SR's had NT4 hiders, but still no NT4s. PR optics have always been a top agency priority, which is my guess why cans still aren't standard. CAT's helmets and plate carriers were first issued sometime over the the last decade or so. Change is slow over there. That's odd especially since they are a counter assault team. You'd think they would be geared up with all necessary items. |
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Originally Posted By voodochild: That's odd especially since they are a counter assault team. You'd think they would be geared up with all necessary items. You'd think. Apparently there's new blood running the firearms program, so they should be caught up to the 21st century eventually. |
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Originally Posted By Cajunkraut: Their original 14.5 SR's had NT4 hiders, but still no NT4s. PR optics have always been a top agency priority, which is my guess why cans still aren't standard. CAT's helmets and plate carriers were first issued sometime over the the last decade or so. Change is slow over there. Or they realize the funds would be better spent elsewhere within the agency? Having a unit like that as a deterrent or "in case of emergency" is a great contingency, however with little to no call outs or real world operations to justify said expenses, I would think it gets to a point of diminishing returns. Hence, maybe funds could be better well spent/allocated. |
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That last photo with the side mounted Safariland mag pouch. I have never seen anyone using it like that before. See's weird to get a speed reload that you'd have to pull away instead of conventional straight up or canted. Huh. I've got an extra, maybe I should try it out to see if I am missing something. |
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Originally Posted By sidewaysil80: Or they realize the funds would be better spent elsewhere within the agency? Having a unit like that as a deterrent or "in case of emergency" is a great contingency, however with little to no call outs or real world operations to justify said expenses, I would think it gets to a point of diminishing returns. Hence, maybe funds could be better well spent/allocated. Maybe. Given the team's priority it's likely a matter of optics and/or internal politics in this case. They have plenty of pricey toys. I'm certain the topic has been kicked around more than once. Again, old school thinking can be slow to change over there. |
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I would think it's in the Secret Service's plan for their SBR's to be loud. If someone ever has to engage a hostile the gunfire will be heard by all. This would alert everyone to the direction of the immediate threat and place the entire team on high alert. Suppressors are heavier to lug around all day, so there's that. |
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Originally Posted By borderpatrol: I would think it's in the Secret Service's plan for their SBR's to be loud. If someone ever has to engage a hostile the gunfire will be heard by all. This would alert everyone to the direction of the immediate threat and place the entire team on high alert. Suppressors are heavier to lug around all day, so there's that. Originally Posted By borderpatrol: I would think it's in the Secret Service's plan for their SBR's to be loud. If someone ever has to engage a hostile the gunfire will be heard by all. This would alert everyone to the direction of the immediate threat and place the entire team on high alert. Suppressors are heavier to lug around all day, so there's that. Originally Posted By AZgunner: Same, somewhat surprised. I wonder if certain teams are using them or if it's a gear selection made at the agent level? Originally Posted By borderpatrol: I would think it's in the Secret Service's plan for their SBR's to be loud. If someone ever has to engage a hostile the gunfire will be heard by all. This would alert everyone to the direction of the immediate threat and place the entire team on high alert. Suppressors are heavier to lug around all day, so there's that. Yeah I know cans are cool but I'm thinking they aren't going for some high speed assault. If these guys are shooting chances are they want it to be loud. I'm sure the vehicle weapons are on a whole other level as far as the guys in black suits. |
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For the guys running ear muffs, not having suppressors isn't a big issue in terms of communications. For the guys without, suppressors would let them communicate. Even with the in ear buds, those SBRs are going to be too loud to hear radio traffic. Never mind shouted coordination. |
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Originally Posted By Ursus_Americanus: For the guys running ear muffs, not having suppressors isn't a big issue in terms of communications. Originally Posted By Ursus_Americanus: For the guys running ear muffs, not having suppressors isn't a big issue in terms of communications. I was gonna mention that, but didn't wanna start down the "but most Tier 1 units use both" rabbit hole. For the guys without, suppressors would let them communicate. Even with the in ear buds, those SBRs are going to be too loud to hear radio traffic. Never mind shouted coordination. Bingo. |
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These may have been stolen from the OG thread. Attached File Attached File |
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Originally Posted By Munsta750: These may have been stolen from the OG thread. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/513394/CE39461A-928E-4286-B9BE-500C48F52829_jpe-1859266.JPGhttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/513394/D04746C4-247B-48FE-9C64-D259B6DED2C4_jpe-1859268.JPG What mlok handguard? |
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Originally Posted By ar-jedi: dear smart(er) people, what is this piece of kit? http://ziva.losdos.dyndns.org/public/misc/kit-id.JPG Just a taped bundle of chemlights for marking. |
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Originally Posted By AZgunner: Same, somewhat surprised. I wonder if certain teams are using them or if it's a gear selection made at the agent level? Looks like one Surfire 60 rounder in there too. After dropping one and it spewing all of the ammo out like a fountain I decided a 30 round PMAG was just fine. |
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Originally Posted By evlblkwpnz: Looks like one Surfire 60 rounder in there too. After dropping one and it spewing all of the ammo out like a fountain I decided a 30 round PMAG was just fine. Certainly don't blame you. With how finicky everyone reports the various coffin mags and drums as being, I just don't see enough benefit over a 30 round mag with plenty of spares. From my experience toting a rifle around for a living, the extra weight is felt pretty quickly too. I'd rather have a lighter more comfortable setup than have an extra 20 or 30 rounds before reloading. |
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Originally Posted By AZgunner: Certainly don't blame you. With how finicky everyone reports the various coffin mags and drums as being, I just don't see enough benefit over a 30 round mag with plenty of spares. From my experience toting a rifle around for a living, the extra weight is felt pretty quickly too. I'd rather have a lighter more comfortable setup than have an extra 20 or 30 rounds before reloading. Originally Posted By AZgunner: Originally Posted By evlblkwpnz: Looks like one Surfire 60 rounder in there too. After dropping one and it spewing all of the ammo out like a fountain I decided a 30 round PMAG was just fine. Certainly don't blame you. With how finicky everyone reports the various coffin mags and drums as being, I just don't see enough benefit over a 30 round mag with plenty of spares. From my experience toting a rifle around for a living, the extra weight is felt pretty quickly too. I'd rather have a lighter more comfortable setup than have an extra 20 or 30 rounds before reloading. I've only run into one Surefire mag in the Army - one of my Infantry officers, who carried a 60-rounder with him in eastern Afghanistan as a platoon leader in the 101st and still had it as a company commander. He said it always worked perfectly for him. He would have been using it in Afghanistan in the 2011-2013 timeframe, I think, so I believe that would have made it their original design, which I always heard had reliability issues. As far as the weight goes, he's a beast who was a bouncer and MMA fighter before joining the Army, so I doubt he noticed it. |
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Originally Posted By axeeclipse14: Yea...streamlights  . I would assumed more surefires or modlitesWild guess: .gov didn't buy them; the user added it. Contrary to popular ARF belief, most people, even the pros, aren't willing to spend $400+.....for a flashlight. |
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Originally Posted By Exorpmtech: Wild guess: .gov didn't buy them; the user added it. Contrary to popular ARF belief, most people, even the pros, aren't willing to spend $400+.....for a flashlight. Originally Posted By Exorpmtech: Originally Posted By axeeclipse14: Yea...streamlights . I would assumed more surefires or modlitesWild guess: .gov didn't buy them; the user added it. Contrary to popular ARF belief, most people, even the pros, aren't willing to spend $400+.....for a flashlight. The fact that so many have the same light is a pretty good indicator that they are indeed issued. |
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Originally Posted By Claytonhoneyberry: The fact that so many have the same light is a pretty good indicator that they are indeed issued. Originally Posted By Claytonhoneyberry: Originally Posted By Exorpmtech: Originally Posted By axeeclipse14: Yea...streamlights . I would assumed more surefires or modlitesWild guess: .gov didn't buy them; the user added it. Contrary to popular ARF belief, most people, even the pros, aren't willing to spend $400+.....for a flashlight. The fact that so many have the same light is a pretty good indicator that they are indeed issued. TLR series...oof |
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Originally Posted By skindroid: Just a taped bundle of chemlights for marking. Originally Posted By skindroid: Originally Posted By ar-jedi: dear smart(er) people, what is this piece of kit? http://ziva.losdos.dyndns.org/public/misc/kit-id.JPG Just a taped bundle of chemlights for marking. Great for smacking the nads! |
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Originally Posted By Tejas1836: Mod 2.1 upper Originally Posted By Tejas1836: Originally Posted By socommatthews: MOD 2.1 Mod 2.1 upper Yea, that’s what I said. Attached File |
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Originally Posted By Jonny1904: That last photo with the side mounted Safariland mag pouch. I have never seen anyone using it like that before. See's weird to get a speed reload that you'd have to pull away instead of conventional straight up or canted. Huh. I've got an extra, maybe I should try it out to see if I am missing something. Think reloads while seated inside a vehicle |
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Originally Posted By Exorpmtech: Wild guess: .gov didn't buy them; the user added it. Contrary to popular ARF belief, most people, even the pros, aren't willing to spend $400+.....for a flashlight. This. So much this. Also, streamlights work, and one need not spend $400 to get a flashlight. |
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Originally Posted By Claytonhoneyberry: The fact that so many have the same light is a pretty good indicator that they are indeed issued. probably so, the USSS picks things that work. My guess it was determined the Streamlight HL gave them the performance and features they wanted at the right price point. |
Official Secret Service Counter Assault Team SR-16 E3 CQB Clone Picture and Discussion Thread (Page 1 of 3)
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