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Posted: 11/25/2006 9:23:47 AM EST
[Last Edit: Ekie]
SP1 info request are now daily. I have a bunch of rifles to add but have not found the time. Figure the this will get us by for now:
Started with Don Francis's old data base, and added more rifles. The rifles I added are yours and mine, and a bunch off Gunbroker, Gunsamerica, and Auctionarms. 1983-1985 2116xx CARBINE no forge code on upper 2101xx CARBINE CM forging, does not look like there is a forge code on the FSB, A2 grip 2082xx CARBINE CH forging, C and bell FSB 207796 no details 20258X CM upper, Coltguard nickle finish, FSB has a diamond with a B inside and two smaller letters inside to the right of the B that look like a over a P an I 202xxx nickle finish 200720 CH forge code upper, barrel marked CHROME BORE, C and bell FSB 198xxx C and bell FSB 191678 CARBINE CH forging, barrel marked CHROME BORE 19097X no details 184355 CARBINE, can't make out the forge code, nickle finish, A2 grip, 183XXX CARBINE CH forging, barrel marked C MP CHROME BORE 1812XX CM forge code, Hammer has "C" in circle and a 6 or 9 in circle with FP cutout, bobbed disconector, barrel marked C MP chrome bore, front site has a "B1" in diamond, unshrouded bolt carrier C stamped with FA notches, bolt etched MPC, ejector has either 3 or 4 coils with white buffer 179XXX unusual in that it has a modern carrier with no forward assist cuts 1767XX, Upper Forging marked C M, Barrel marked C MP CHROME BORE, 16" Barrel Collapsible stock, bolt carrier marked- C 176728 can't make out the forge code 175xxx CARBINE CH forging 175091 CARBINE, later lower forging with curved reinforcment by receiver extention 1757xx CARBINE can't make out the forge code, no forge code on FSB 174XXX CM forging, barrel marked CHROME BORE, bell an C FSB 174247 has replacement lone star handguards 173XXX made in 1983 1982 1730XX CARBINE CM forging, Barrel marked C MP CHROME BORE, FSB with "C" near top, "bell" on lower area, purchased NIB in late Nov. 82 162991 CM forge code 155427 close up of left side 1562xx CARBINE 154XXX no details 145xxx. CM forge code barrel marked CHROME BORE 144957 forward assist cuts in carrier 141xxx CM forging, made in 1982 140320 CARBINE, CM forging, barrel marked CHOMRE BORE 1981 139415 CARBINE CM forging, barrel marked CHROME BORE 1385xx CM forging, barrel marked CHROME BORE, C and bell FSB 1312xx CM forging, barrel marked C MP B, C and bell FSB 130476 CM forging, C and bell FSB 1980 128949 Carbine, "C" forged front sight base, Barrel stamped "C MP Chrome Bore", A1 Flash hider with lock washer, and the wrench flats indexed in the 90 degree vertical position, rivited front sling swivel, CM forged A1 reciever, no forward assist, square proof stamp forward of ejection port door, factory staked Vinyl coated collapsable butt stock marked with an "NN" in an oval and a "1" under the latch, "C" stamped full circle AR carrier, non shrouded firing pin, "MPC" marked bolt, Forward assist notched carrier, ejector not marked. 128132 trap door buttstock, flash suppresor swapped out for a three prong 12402X CARBINE, C M Forge code below sight "C" in a square behind the delta ring, Full circle C marked bolt carrier MPC bolt. Don't see any mark on the extractor. White spring insert, C mark on FSB, C MP CHROME BORE on top of bbl. A1 FH, metal 2 position nylon coated buttstock, still has the paint on the buffer tube nut stakes and on the bolt stop pin. 123xxx C and bell FSB 122XXX can't make out forge code, barrel marked CHROME BORE, 121027 CM forge code, A1 birdcage FH, Barrel marked "C MP Chrome Bore", FSB Marked "C", no proof stamps on upper, "C" marked full circle AR carrier, "C" marked ejector, 4 coil spring with white insert, "MPC" marked bolt, bobbed disconnector, factory touch up paint on mag release roll pin area on both upper and lower 120xxx can't read the upper forge code, barrel marked CHROME BORE, made in 1980 1195xx CM forge code, no forge code FSB, barrel marked CHROME BORE 1182XX CM forging, no forge code on FSB, barrel marked CHROME BORE 117623 Carbine 116221 Carbine CM forge code upper, barrel marked CHROME BORE 1114xx Carbine CM forge code upper, made in 1980 106919 CM forge code, A1 birdcage FH, Barrel marked "C MP Chrome Bore", "C" marked FSB, "C" marked AR carrier, "C" stamped ejector with white insert, "MPC" marked bolt, bobbed disconnector, factory touch up paint on mag release roll pin area 1979 100473 CM forge code, forward assist cuts, barrel marked CHROME BORE, C marked FSB 1042X2 CM forge code, made in 1979, barrel marked CHROME BORE, selector has notch on right side 979XX CM forge code, rollmarked FIREARMS DIV, barrel Marked C MP Chrome Bore, Front Site Base Marked with a C, Birdcage Flash, Trap Door Stock,, bolt marked MPC, Carrier marked C, No marks on the extractor, purchased 78/79 96XXX having some issues with the anodizing coming off the lower, purchased 78/79 95xxx CM forge code upper 1978 92341 no details 921xx CARBINE, unmarked FSB, Barrel was marked C MP CHROME BORE, but has been cut to 11. 5 inches, as the piece was Class 3d and made into an XM177E2 clone in 1979. Can't give you original upper forge markings. Upper was replaced w/a big hole forward assist type some years back, and idiot me sold the smooth side upper off, 1978 90269 lone star replacement handguards 894XX forward assist cuts, 87059 Carbine, looks like a CM forge code upper, barrel marked C MP B 858xx 80142 CM forge code upper, barrel marked CHROME BORE, lower roll marked Firearms Division 1977 76728 lower roll marked Firearms Division 76xxx barrel marked CHROME BORE 74304 Roll Mark Colt's Patent Firearms Mfg. Co, Forge Mark on Upper C M, Barrel Marked C MP Chrome Bore, FSB shows a C and a Bell with something inside, hard to make out, Bolt Carrier Marked C, Bolt marked MPC, Trap Door Buttstock 74778 lower roll marked Patent Firearms, barrel marked CHROME BORE 74284 lower roll marked Patent Firearms, CM forge code upper 73175 lower roll marked Patent Firearms 70xxx lower roll marked Patent Firearms 69496 lower roll marked Patent Firearms, CM forge code, bird cage, barrel marked "C MP Chrome, "C" marked M16 carrier with non-staked gas key (replacement?), "C" marked ejector with 4 coils spring, black insert (replacment?), "MPC" marked bolt, bobbed disconnector 69349 CM forge code upper 68862 bird cage, trap door 663XX CK forge code, Hammer has "C" in circle, a Horshoe 'U' in a square between the ejection port and barrel, 20" barrel with C MP CHROME BORE on it, 'C' under the front site, A1 Bird cage flash hider, unmarked carrier 640xx no upper forge code, C and Bell FSB, barrel marked CHROME BORE, duck bill, made in 1977 632XX no forge code, forward assist cuts, C on FSB, newer lower forging with curved reinforcment by receiver extention 62316 CK forge code upper, Front Sight Base - Unmarked, Barrel Markings - C MP CHROME BORE, Flash Hider - Birdcage, Bolt Carrier - C Mark & Forward Assist Notches, Lower Proof Stamp - Triangle w/VP Inside - Forward End Starboard Side, Buttstock - Standard w/trapdoor, Hammer - Early Style w/C in circle & 2 in circle stampings 1976 57xxx forge code upper, can't make it out 55757 no forge code, trap door fixed swivel, bird cage 51502 no upper and barrel, bolt has white extractor buffer 1975 463xx no forge code upper, C and Bell FSB, duck bill, barrel marked CHROME BORE 44885 missing roll marks SEMI, FIRE, and manufactures info, grip replaced with A2 44435 no details 44XXX C marked carrier, bird cage 43461 bird cage flash suppresor, trap door buttstock 42786 no forge code, forward assist cuts, trap door fixed swivel, bird cage, C and bell FSB, drain hole in buttstock screw 1974 37690 bird cage 349XX barrel is marked C MP B, C & bell FSB, no forge code upper 33400 no forge code, bird cage, forward assist cuts, trap door fixed swivel 32XXX lower only, no notch cut in hammer with forge codes, trap door 30XXX bird cage 1973 27834 C MP B, rivet, no forge code C & Bell 253XX barrel marked C MP B, C & bell FSB, no forge code upper, no + on lower made in 1973 25XXX lower only, notch cut in hammer with forge codes (possible swap out?), no + on lower, receiver extention not pinned on, wrong A2 grip and buttstcok 24431 1973 manufacture 2325X carrier has FA cuts, no forge code upper, C and Bell FSB? ?????? no forge code upper, barrel marked C MP B, duck bill, C carrier, and MPC bolt, this is a parts kit 219XX no forge code, Barrel marked: C MP C, Bolt marked: MPC, Extractor marked: C, FSB: C & bell, Birdcage FH, Non trapdoor stock w/ rear swivel, A1 pistol grip 214XX Barrel marked C MP C, Bolt marked MPC, Extractor marked C, No forge code on upper, Birdcage suppressor, Trapdoor stock, 20 rnd mag 208XX no forge code, barrel marked C MP C, birdcage, carrier marked C, no markings on bolt, C and bell marked FSB, riveted swivel, hammer marked C, disconnector not marked, trigger marked with a 2 on left lower side, purchased NIB late summer of 1973 1972 176XX barrel marked: C MP C on bottom, bolt marked: MPC, no forge codes on upper, birdcage flash hider, solid buttplate, C on front sight base 17XXX no trap door, no roll pin for receiver extention 17482 barrel marked CMP C, fixed rear swivel, A1 flash hider, no upper forge code, forward assist cuts 17230 C MP C marked barrel, fixed swivel, duck bill 1971 165XX three prong, swivel buttstock, rivet on swivel 164XX bird cage flash hider, swivel buttstock, forward assist cuts, full curve 30 round mag 163xxx fixed rear swivel, birdcage replaced with three prong, black paint on lower left and front of mag well 162XX Birdcage, Plain hard rubber (?) buttplate W/drain hole top screw, black carrier "C" stamped, + on lower, ,notches in the black carrier, C MP C ubarrel, bobbed disconnector, roll pinned swivels, rubberized and black nylon sling, Came with spare Edgewater buffer & spring 1970 15271 three prong, no hole in selector, no pin on, swivel, pin on front swivel. C MP C 1969 14418 solid buttplate 1969 Three prong 14300 barrel marked c2 12, "polished" FSB, duck bill, roll pin on swivel, + on lower, made in 1969 13192 three prong, no trap door, pinned on front swivel, no roll pin for receiver extention, 13XXX duck bill 1968 12760 three prong, + on lower, MP by FSB, 12 near muzzle, roll pinned front swivel, receiver extention not pinned in, no trap door 12,XXX replacement buttstock, grip, port door, duck bill 11577 duck bill 11XXX three prong, no trap door 10859 no pin in extension, unmarked front sight base, run Together "MP" stamped on right side of barrel between the FSB legs, small "S" and "12" stamped under barrel near Flash Hider, 3 Prong Flash Hider with lock washer, raised Plus (+) on right side of lower recever near pivot pin, no divot in selector, pinned sling swivel on buttstock, front sling swivel attached with a roll pin, full circle unmarked AR carrier, "MP" marked bolt, no forward assist notches, unmarked ejector. 10095 no pin in extension, duck bill 09991 solid selector, three prong swivel, made in 1968 1967 087XX solid selector, pinned in receiver extension, + on lower receiver "polished" FSB, black Colt's sling with no buckle 1966 078xx barrel marked MP & S 12, MP marked parked bolt, parked carrier, full auto firing pin, machined firing pin retainer, hole in buttstock screw, made in 1966 071xx "polished" FSB hole in selector, parked bolt and carrier, no FA cuts in carrier, pinned in receiver extention, edgewater buffer, don't see a drain hole in buttstock screw, roll pin front swivel made in 1966 06198 no details 06081 no details 05889 & 90 hole in selector, pinned on receiver extension, + on lower receiver, does not have the holes drilled in handguard heat shields, old style gas tube, half round gas carrier key, ramped carrier without exposed firing pin, weep hole drilled for ejector spring, bolt is parked, barrel marked MP on right side inbetween FSB "legs" on right side & a 12 near the muzzle, roll pin front swivel, "polished" FSB with no drain hole for front sight, duck bill, polished FSB, shipped Oct 1966 05542 barrel marked with a 12, chrome bolt, pinned on recever extention, hole in selector, + on lower, forged FSB with no drain hole for the post, roll pinned swivel, 12 near muzzle, VP proof mark & the M is upside down, chrome bolt, parked semi carrier, 053XX pinned on recever extention, hole in selector, + on lower, 1965 05141 hole in selector, parked carrier with auto sear trip removed, round carrier key, chrome bolt, machined retainer, proof and M marked barrel, "polished" FSB, roll pin on front swivel 048xx M and proof marked barrel, chrome MP marked bolt, parked carrier, full auto firing pin, machined firing retainer, green buffer tube, no hole in buttstock screw, made in 1965 04240 chrome bolt, parked carrier, hole in selector, don’t see a hole in buttstock screw, black Colt's sling with no buckel 03909 chrome bolt, parked carrier, no firing pin catch on hammer, hole in selector 037xx new port door 03XXX pinned on receiver extention, hole in selector, + on lower, 03325 barrel M and proof mark, with S 12, plastic coated swivels, chrome MP marked bolt with weep hole for ejector spring, parked carrier, full auto flat headed firing pin, two stakes on carrier key bolts, carrier key round, machined parked firing retainer, early port door, + on lower, hole in selector, "polished" FSB, short disconnector, made in 1965 1964 Just picked up a '64 vintage (SP 018XX) Colt SP1. Pretty nice shape, previous owner must not have known what a cleaning kit was for though. For the SP1 database: It has a parked carrier & machined firing pin retainer, carrier auto sear trip cut back, chrome bolt w/ no MP marking, barrel has an upside down marked M & proof & 12, + on lower, full auto flat headed firing pin, edgewater buffer, pinned buffer tube, two stakes on carrier key bolts, three prong hider, coated sling swivels. No drain hole in the buttstock screw, no forge codes or proof marks on the upper receiver, early Armalite type ejection port door and also has the hole in the selector switch. FSB appears to be forged w/o drain hole. I haven't had the handguards off yet to see if it has the early carbon steel gas tube and no drain hole handguards though. No sear block, large pivot hole. 015XX Colt sling with no "buckle", parked carrier & machined firing pin retainer, carrier auto sear trip cut back, round carrier key, no firing pin catch on hammer, bolt marked MP, barrel marked M & proof & 12, + on lower, full auto flat headed firing pin, edgewater buffer, two stakes on carrier key bolts 01457 no details, made in 1964 014xx M and proof marked barrel, plastic coated swivels, chrome MP marked bolt, parked carrier, auto firing pin, machined firing retainer, green buffer tube, no hole in buttstock screw 01348 Barrel marked "M" with "VP" Triangle proof upside-down next to M between spars of front sight. "+" under ejection port cover. No marking on parked bolt carrier, "M" electro-penciled on Nickel/crome bolt. Hammer has "E" inside of "C" inside of circle on left side 01042 cast FSB, barrel marked M and proof early 64, and early port door, parked bolt carrier with auto trip cut back, hole in selector, edgewater buffer, round carrier key, + on lower, plastic coated swivel, long disconnector, no firing pin catch on hammer 003xx hole in take down pin. Looks like machined FSB? 00231 has old port door, transitional bolt stop & cast FSB? (this one has some miss matched parts) 00159 no details 00005 full chrome M16 bolt group, modern bolt stop, holes in selector |
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Oh yeah, post details on your here, and I will add it once I get a chance.
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SN 48xx
Edgewater buffer, parked slickside semi carrier (no shiite) , chrome MP bolt, MV 12 marked barrel 3 prong fh, smooth fsb w/o drain hole), non-drilled stock screw, early gastube (maybe stainless, magnet won't stick), black handguards w/o drain holes, No monkey business here. Even the buffer tube has the original roll pin holding it on! Check out that sling. It is as it was. |
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Not mine yet but 555xx. COLT'S PATENT FIREARMS marked. Only the lower though, no details, sorry. Guess its from '76.
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I'll soon have an SP1. Bought it on GunBroker. Should have it next week, or the week after. I'll edit this post with the info when I get it.
Here's the info on my SP1. Picked it up last week, but with the holiday rush didn't have time to go over it. The seller told me it was a local PD trade in. Loal PD didn't clean their weapons very well. Colt AR-15 Model SP1 Ser. SP 178XXX Slickside upper marked "C M". Barrel marked "C MP CHROME BORE", A1 FH, no markings on the FSB. "C" AR15 bolt carrier with FA notches, no markings on the bolt. |
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T.A.N.S.T.A.A.F.L!
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Here's another one for you. I got to look at and actually touch sn 007xx
I even got to look inside It had slickside semi carrier (2nd one I've seen this week ) chrome MP bolt, machined parked firing pin retainer, early firing pin, MV 12 marked barrel, 3 prong, Edgewater buffer, no forge codes, no firing pin notch on hammer, early gastube and handguards. |
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So, I can assume that my SP1, ser. no. 865xx was made in 1978?
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I just bought a police trade in Colt SP1 in exc condition. The serial number range is 108XX. I am not certain if it has had components swapped out or if it is in original unmolested condition. The features are as follows.
Serial #108XX The Barrel is marked "MP" between the front site posts and "C" behind the three prong flash hider. The chamber appears to be chrome plated. The bolt is grey/black finished with an "MP" marking behind the locking lugs. The AR-15 bolt carrier is grey/black finished and has forward assist notches. The carrier does not appear to have any markings. The screws on the gas key have two "round" shaped stakes. The firing pin is the modified light flat head type The buttstock is the non-trap door type with drain hole screw. The rear sling swivel is plastic coated. Edgewater buffer with non-pinned tube The lower has raised "+" near pivot area. The pins and selector are the non-dimpled type. The hammer has a 2 inside a circle marking. The front sling swivel is plastic coated and is connected to the FSB by a roll pin. The sling is green cotton canvas with parkerized slide keeper and black buckle The upper receiver is the non forward assist type. A small faint triangle is visible forward of the ejection port. The ejection port cover has the rectangular detent. |
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Just got my lower today. SP55537 COLT PATENT FIREARMS MFG CO marked. 1976
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515xx here. It is no longer in SP1 configuration, when I bought it it had been converted into an M4gery. I plan on remedying that as soon as some of my other projects are completed.
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ok, what do i have and when was it made and what is approx. value?
Colt SP1 #SP1849XX slick side upper marked "C" & "H" Factory Colt 3x scope mint condition, approx. 40 rounds through it PS...don't tell the AK guys I was over here.... |
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1983-1985 |
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Reserved. I'll post my SP1 info when I get home.
EDIT: I'm home. My serial is SP6897x I have no reliable info about the date. Pics coming soon. |
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accepting applications for new sig line. Beware. The next one could be YOU.
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Colt AR-15 Model SP1 Ser. SP 177XXX
Slickside upper marked "C M". Barrel marked "C MP CHROME BORE", A1 FH, C and Bell marked FSB, with tapered delta ring. "C" AR15 bolt carrier with FA notches, MP marked bolt. Slab side lower, large hole screw type front takedown pin with no spring or detent. R 11 mark on right side. Trapdoor buttstock. Hammer has circle C with circle 7. It had rifle handguards on it that I swapped out to triangular. Have some questions though. Did these ship with the A1 FH or 3 prong? Was the delta ring the flat style or the tapered style? Were the HGs triangular or rifle? Did the stock leave the factory with a trapdoor? Not sure what was changed or updated, I think it's still in factory config except for the HGs, I think the triangular fits it's personality a lot better. |
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I have the chance to buy a Colt SP1 for a reasonable amount. I am kinda leery of the buy though because it appears to have a Full Auto style bolt. Nothing else is FA. Is a FA bolt in an AR an issue?
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No, it's completely legal as long as there are no FA lower parts. Buy it! |
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how can you tell the age of just the upper assy? WITHOUT any serial numbers because it was sold without the lower.
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Just remember, In the end all that is left of a man is his honor... doesnt matter how much money he has made or women he has been with. His name is only as good as his word.
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Colt mfg. Mod. SP1 Serial# 143XX (1969)
3 prong flash hider Barrel marked C2 bottom side. Marked MP on right side of barrel between FH posts. FSB machined smooth, no markings. Bayonet lug. Front sling swivel coated and roll pin. Shiney black triangle handguards. Smooth side upper receiver. No forge codes. A-1 rear sight assem. Flat slip ring assem. Small triangle stamp on right side of lower receiver just behind slip ring. Non trapdoor rear buttstock. Single screw with drain hole. Rear sling swivel + roll pin. Edgewater buffer assem. Bolt carrier, semi circle, C stamp, left side. Gas key Colt staked. FA notches. Colt bolt marked MP. |
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Ekie, when did SP1 carbines go into production?
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The oldest one in the data base is a 1978. |
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12022X (uncertain year produced)
20" Rifle A1 flash Triangle HG A1 grip A1 Sights Buttstock with trap door and fixed swivel Lower markings; COLT'S FIREARMS DIVISION COLT INDUSTRIES HARTFORD, CONN USA CAL..223 MODEL SP1 SER.SP12022X touch up paint on mag release roll pin area on lower www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid20/p9c0630bb0a8e340525cc55d97d36d2c4/fdb83eac.jpg Upper markings; Diamond shaped stamp in front of ejection port Large front hole Forge code C M www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid20/pff4bb46741b4216063fb289744568c40/fdb83ee5.jpg bbl markings; C MP CHROME BORE Bolt is etched MPC Carrier C marked Notched carrier www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid20/pd6fae11b3b191bad01cd0547be200ed4/fdb83f29.jpg www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid20/p12844f961747371cba132f188689015d/fdb83ec2.jpg Hammer C marked more pics here www.imagestation.com/album/index.html?id=4291803095 |
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Postban? Where you been? Surprised you remembered your password.
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lol, that was easy. Remembering where my SP1 was, that was the hard part |
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I bought an upper (no carrier.bolt assy)
It is a slick side, 3 prong FH, A1, triangular HGs on the bottom of the barrel it says "C MP B" Anyone have a clue to the age of it just by those letters? the guy who sold it to me kept the lower (slabside) but he needed the $$ so he sold me the upper, A1 buttstock and straight PG. Put it on a Bushy lower with a DPMS Bolt Carrier, and good to go. Yes, it is a "mutt" |
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I just bought SP1 #58x. I also have pics of #13X and these 2 rifles are identical to the smallest detail so it is probable that they are from the same production run and possibly/probably assembled the same day.
-------------------------------------------------- 'M' marked 14 twist bbl Cast FSB Early non-stainless gas tube Chrome MP Bolt Larger headed FP but not the 601 version Parked machined FP retainer Parked earliest pattern semi carrier Key bolts with single centerpunch stakes Parked key Transitional bolt catch Modified M16 trigger parts Edgewater buffer The following are center drilled: Windage screw Safety Takedown pin ------------------------------------------ Too bad we can't come up with production dates It would also be interesting to come up with a serial number span where they started changing to the VP 12 twist bbls. |
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Model One, what bbl markings do you have ?
Thanks rj |
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WOW that even has the "transistional" bolt catch! |
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I have today adopted Colt AR-15 SP-1 Serial number SP1368xx
"C" and "M" in the indent under rear sight, a small Square with a "C" in it above front hinge screw on upper reciever. Smooth side reciever lacking forward assist. "C" "MP" Chrome bore on barrel. Full Birdcage flash suppressor "A1" type. Front sight towr has "C" forged into it. Bolt carrier closed rear made with Forward assist notches, "C" on bolt carrier and "MPC" on bolt. Appears to have fired maybe 500 rounds, this thing is mint except for a little rust on the Firing port cover and a slight crack in the buttplate. Trapdoor butplate. Came with 4- 20 round mags, all colt and universal. A Blank adapter, blanks and several stripper clips and a guide, and cotton canvas sling Also came with soft assault rifle case from Galati. |
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I just put money down on a SP1 rifle, condition appears to be excellent overall, although the rifle was fired...and then put in a closet for 20+ years.
Details: Serial: SP1792xx (83-85?) Buttstock has a trap, and fixed swivel. A1 flash hider Carrier has the FA notches Came with a cleaning kit, and probably the original sling (metal keepers). No mag, the gunshop will toss one in, though. Price was $899, which seems quite reasonable given the superb condition. These are very rare in my area, and the last one I saw was well over 900 and it was in nowhere near as good condition. The last SP1 this particular shop had was $1200, and was a police trade in that they got from some distributor. |
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Hello all. This is my first post. I have a Colt AR15 SP1 the serial number is SP1749##. Can anyone tell me what year it was likely manufactured and anything else about it and what to look for as far as markings to tell if it is original. I will try and list any markings that I see on it. It has a stamped "C" and "M" under the rear site adjustment wheel. On the top of barrell near flash suppressor is stamped " C MP Chrome Bore". If anybody knows a realistic value as well. I bought it back in 1990 or 1991. I have been told it is worth over 2K but I am not sure. Thanks again. Pete
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Picked up a SP1 CAR15 today
Serial 1912xx Barrel marked C MP Chrome Bore Upper has CH markings FSB has C marking aluminum coated 2 position car stock, flat slip ring, 6 hole handguards, slab side |
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Yours is only 4000 or so away from mine, so it dates from 83-85 just like mine. As for worth..well...$900-1200, depending on accessories and condition, and how bad someone wants a genuine SP1. It likely was worth 2k during the ban, since SP1 receivers were like gold since they were guaranteed preban, but since the expiration, values have gone down back to normal ranges. It still has great value in the states that enacted their own bans that duplicated the 94 ban criteria, since there is no question that it is a preban receiver. |
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SP 00694
Barrel: ETA: Marked "M" between sight base bands, very faint "W" at end of barrel near muzzle. ETA: No markings under the handguards. 3-prong FH, but a bit thinner prongs than on later models. Not "duck bill" style, though. Front sight milled, round post, heavy "UP" with arrow, C in a circle on left side. ETA: Early style gas tube - magnet will adhere. ETA: C stamped in breech end of barrel extentsion. Upper Marked c and VP just fore of ejection port. L --> R on rear sight area of carrying handle. Both apertures are pretty small. Original style ejection cover. T - style charging handle. No cut-out for auto sear. Lower Big-hole, of course. + on right side near pivot hole. Pinned edgewater buffer. Early style black buffer tube with holes, no flats on rear end. Takedown pin and selector have "divots" on both sides. Mag release button is rings, not lines. Bolt catch is transitional type. Fire Control Group Bolt is chromed, marked M and P, oriented 90 degrees off from usual MPC type marking. Firing pin retaining pin is milled, parkerized. Key is staked with one square punch on each hex-head screw. Carrier is parked, NOT M16 type, first civilian style as per TBR. Firing pin is not big-head style. Trigger and disconnecter are M16 type, all other AR-15 types. Hammer is not M16 type, but no notch, either. Misc. Sling swivels are plastic coated. Rear swivel pivots, but doesn't rotate. Sling is black M1/M14 style, but hook end has sewn loop around it with no buckle. Furniture is matte black. No hole in buttstock screw. |
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"A sword is never a killer, it's a tool in the killer's hands" -- Lucius Annaeus Seneca "the younger" ca. (4 BC - 65 AD) |
I am confused with determining the date for my new SP1 so any help would be appreciated.
It has a serial number SP1607* Which appears thath it could fall under either 1971 or 1982 per the chart. I am going towards the 1982 but your assistance would be great. Barrel: Marked "CMP chrome bore No markings under the handguards. (maybe wrong but I have not had them off yet) A1 birdcage and lock washer style washer Front sight has a C near the front sight area and below it near the barrel is the bell with an M in it Upper Marked C M below rear sight area L --> R on rear sight area of carrying handle. Both apertures are pretty small. Original style ejection cover. T - style charging handle. No forward assist Armalite style flat handguard ring Triangular hand guards Lower Big-hole, of course. Early grip butstock has trapdoor Only the trap door is checkerd and the rest of the butstock appears to be plastic Paint near the bold release Fire Control Group Bolt is chromed, marked M and P, oriented 90 degrees off from usual MPC type marking. Firing pin retaining pin is not milled. Key is staked with four points near hex-head screws. Carrier is parked Firing pin is not big-head style. Trigger and disconnecter are M16 type, all other AR-15 types. Hammer is marked with a circle 7 and a circle C Misc. Sling swivels are not plastic coated. Sling is black M1/M14 style, but hook end has sewn loop around it with no buckle. Furniture is matte black. Hole in upper buttstock screw only. |
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Just acquired S/N SP865XX in a trade. CK forge marked upper with typical Colt proofs forward of ejection port door. Barrel marked CMP Chrome Bore. C marked closed end parked bolt carrier with forward assist notches. Parked MPC marked bolt. A1 trapdoor buttstock and birdcage flash hider. Front sight base appears unmarked. Slick side upper and unfenced, unreinforced lower of course. "Silent" type sling.
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Here is my SP1:
Serial number - 1120XX The upper receiver is a slick side. It has a C M forging, a small faint square with a C and a triangle is visible forward of the ejection port. The ejection port cover has the rectangular detent. It also has the small R and arrow for the sight directions. The barrel is marked C MP CHROME BORE the chamber appears to be chrome plated and has an A1 bird cage flash suppressor. Front sight has a diamond with a B4 in it. The bolt is grey/black finished and is marked MP C and no markings on the extractor. The AR-15 bolt carrier is grey/black finished and has forward assist notches. The carrier is marked with a C. The screws on the gas key are staked from the sides. The firing pin looks like a standard AR15 type. The charging handle is grey with three notches on the latch. The buttstock is the trap door type without a drain hole screw. The rear sling swivel is a non swivel style. It also has the original cleaning kit still inside of it. The buffer has a dimple in the middle of the face and a non-pinned tube. The lower receiver pins and selector are the non-dimpled type and has touch up paint on mag release roll pin area. The hammer has a 3 inside of a circle and a C inside of a circle along with a notch on top. It also has a bobbed disconnector. The front sling swivel is plastic coated and is connected to the FSB by a rivet. The sling is black cotton canvas with black slide keeper and black buckle. The pistol grip has a C and an A inside of it. Handguards, buttstock and pistol grip have a flat non reflective finish that is slightly textured. Phessor |
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"In a man to man fight the winner is the one who puts an extra round in his magazine"
-Field Marshal Erwin Rommel |
Firstly, I copied the previous post and made changes where appropriate. It was lazy I know, but why re-type everything when you don't have to. My SP1 has the following:
Serial number - SP1004XX The upper receiver is a slick side. It has a "C" & "M" forging, a "C" is stamped inside a small faint square forward of the ejection port. The ejection port cover has the rectangular detent. It also has the small R and arrow for the sight directions. The barrel is marked C MP CHROME BORE the chamber appears to be chrome plated and has an A1 bird cage flash suppressor. Front sight base has the "C" forging mark. The bolt is grey/black finished and is marked MP C and no markings on the extractor. The AR-15 bolt carrier is grey/black finished and has forward assist notches. The carrier is marked with a C. The screws on the gas key are staked from the sides. The firing pin looks like a standard AR15 type. The charging handle is grey with three notches on the latch. The buttstock is the trap door type without a drain hole screw. The rear sling swivel is a non coated fixed style. It also has the original cleaning kit still inside of it. The buffer has a dimple in the middle of the face and a non-pinned tube. The lower receiver pins and selector are the non-dimpled type and has touch up paint on mag release roll pin area. The hammer has a 3 inside of a circle and a C inside of a circle along with a notch on top. The front sling swivel is plastic coated and is connected to the FSB by a rivet. The sling is black cotton canvas with black slide keeper and black buckle. The pistol grip has a C and an A inside of it. Handguards, buttstock and pistol grip have a flat non reflective finish that is slightly textured. |
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Firstly, I copied the previous post and made changes where appropriate. It was lazy I know, but why re-type everything when you don't have to. My SP1 has the following:
Serial number - SP1004XX The upper receiver is a slick side. It has a "C" & "M" forging, a "C" is stamped inside a small faint square forward of the ejection port. The ejection port cover has the rectangular detent. It also has the small R and arrow for the sight directions. The barrel is marked C MP CHROME BORE the chamber appears to be chrome plated and has an A1 bird cage flash suppressor. Front sight base has the "C" forging mark. The bolt is grey/black finished and is marked MP C and no markings on the extractor. The AR-15 bolt carrier is grey/black finished and has forward assist notches. The carrier is marked with a C. The screws on the gas key are staked from the sides. The firing pin looks like a standard AR15 type. The charging handle is grey with three notches on the latch. The buttstock is the trap door type without a drain hole screw. The rear sling swivel is a non coated fixed style. It also has the original cleaning kit still inside of it. The buffer has a dimple in the middle of the face and a non-pinned tube. The lower receiver pins and selector are the non-dimpled type and has touch up paint on mag release roll pin area. The hammer has a 3 inside of a circle and a C inside of a circle along with a notch on top. The front sling swivel is plastic coated and is connected to the FSB by a rivet. The sling is black cotton canvas with black slide keeper and black buckle. The pistol grip has a C and an A inside of it. Handguards, buttstock and pistol grip have a flat non reflective finish that is slightly textured. AK_Zeke |
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Here is my SP1 carbine:
Serial number - 1049XX The upper receiver is a slick side. It has a C M forging, a small faint square with a C and a triangle is visible forward of the ejection port. The ejection port cover has the rectangular detent. It also has the small R and arrow for the sight directions. The barrel is marked C MP B the chamber appears to be chrome plated and has an A1 bird cage flash suppressor. Front sight has a C. The bolt is grey/black finished and is marked MP C and no markings on the extractor. The AR-15 bolt carrier is grey/black finished and has forward assist notches. The carrier is marked with a C. The screws on the gas key are staked from the sides. The firing pin looks like a standard AR15 type. The charging handle is grey with three notches on the latch. The buttstock is a two positions CAR style that is coated and has a staked two position buffer tube with touch up paint on the staking. The buffer has a round head and a non-pinned tube. The lower receiver pins and selector are the non-dimpled type and has touch up paint on mag release roll pin area. The hammer has a 3 inside of a circle and a C inside of a circle along with a notch on top. It also has a ringed selector inside. The front sling swivel is plastic coated and is connected to the FSB by a rivet. The sling is black cotton canvas with black slide keeper and black buckle. The pistol grip has a C and an D inside of it. Handguards, buttstock and pistol grip have a kind of shiny finish to them. Phessor |
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"In a man to man fight the winner is the one who puts an extra round in his magazine"
-Field Marshal Erwin Rommel |
I have SP1 441xx, 20", slick side, triangular, old school cool.
It is the first AR I bought & love it! But just curious, what makes the SP1 desirable? Thanks |
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Sir: Can you tell my the notchs on the bolt ,but has no forward ast. Ser. sp 655**. Thanks Tom |
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The appearance, the history, the low weight, and the simplicity compared to currently offered rifles. And for a Colt, they can be had "cheap" now that the high-speed rifles are being offered for sale with all the evil features intact. You can still build a clone cheaper with a NDS lower and a A1 upper, but that Colt Pony still adds mystique. Also, it's a guaranteed "preban" gun to those in AW states, which can get you a nice premium. |
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Hey Model 1,
Take a cleaning rod and a tight patch and check the twist rate of your bbl. Thanks rj |
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I found this site and dug out my SP1 AR 15 i bought it in 1979 when i was in the Army at Fort Carson, it's all original and is as follows
Ser # SP 133xxx C under front site C M under rear site C MP chrome barrel Collapsable stock Bolt stamped C How much is it worth nowadays. i've seen some at gun shows for $1600 but the price varies. |
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Just got this SP1, WARNING its grimy, I took these photos as I was starting to clean it up, was in the rough for sure, and My camera shows more detail than I can see with the eye..
Details Serial # SP 12214X no marking on front site except "up" on post Barrel marked "C MP Chrome Bore" The M and P are like one letter squished. Bolt carrier marked "C" and has forward assist notches Bolt marked "MPC" again M and P squished and this whole marking is very light Hammer marked with a circled "C" Upper marked "CM" under sight adjustment and a funny looking cockeyed square with something unreadable in it in front of the trap door on the base of the handle I was told it had a 3 prong FH on it originally but now had an A1 Can some one date this and tell me whats not original? I'm very new to old Colts, I just bought this because I thought it was very close to original, seems to be all colt but some things don't make sense to me such as Forward Assist notches on a BC thats in a rifle thats got no Forward Assist. I assumed thats not original but still Colt. Photos, click for big ones.. Sorry about all the photos just thought it would clearly define things. |
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I guess this thread isn't visited to often?
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It's very sedate. :)
With regards to the foward assist bolt notches on the bolt carriers of SP1's, this is usually the rule, rather than the exception (which would be early SP1's). |
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