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Originally Posted By danderson:
I have to mention again how much I am enjoying this. The engineer in me is impressed with the documentation, the gun guy in me enjoys the content, and overall I just like your sense of humor. Thanks again for doing this. Glad I'm not the only one. |
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Originally Posted By TxRabbitBane:
Originally Posted By Magpul:
Originally Posted By Mrmaigo:
Originally Posted By InfiniteGrim:
I wonder if the pmag can be made usable again by using a soldiering iron on the crack and try to melt it back together Doubt it, they're polymer, meaning it holds its self together with long molecular chains tangled up so you can't actually weld it back together. I'm sure our friendly neighborhood Magpul rep will prove me I'm wrong.  Actually you are both right. You could melt the material so the force of the rounds would no longer spread the body apart under tension but this would be no where near as strong as an undamaged part with unbroken fibers. In the real world a crack is a visual indicator of damage and to switch out the magazine for a new one. Hey look, there's a big crack in my mag. Should we throw it away and get a new one? Nah, let's beat on it some more and keep using it.  (then bitch about the company that made it)Who are you referring to when you say "Bitching about the company" 
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A Soldier who can't shoot isn't.
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Berryman's B12 Chemtool. death to plastic any type anytime anywhere–– (bouncing in chair clapping hands)
Edit to add before all the mag reps run to the auto parts store: I just had to test it being as I have some, and it won't melt a Magpul. (sigh) 
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Originally Posted By AMUshooter10:
Originally Posted By TxRabbitBane:
Originally Posted By Magpul:
Originally Posted By Mrmaigo:
Originally Posted By InfiniteGrim:
I wonder if the pmag can be made usable again by using a soldiering iron on the crack and try to melt it back together Doubt it, they're polymer, meaning it holds its self together with long molecular chains tangled up so you can't actually weld it back together. I'm sure our friendly neighborhood Magpul rep will prove me I'm wrong. Actually you are both right. You could melt the material so the force of the rounds would no longer spread the body apart under tension but this would be no where near as strong as an undamaged part with unbroken fibers. In the real world a crack is a visual indicator of damage and to switch out the magazine for a new one. Hey look, there's a big crack in my mag. Should we throw it away and get a new one? Nah, let's beat on it some more and keep using it. (then bitch about the company that made it)Who are you referring to when you say "Bitching about the company" Just random folks who'll do crazy shit, then blame the product when it fails. It happens all the time. If you beat your mags with a sledgehammer, than bitch that the company that made them sucks because they don't work afterward, you're a retard. Has nothing to do with the content of this thread, which is pure awesome. |
Not fly enough to be halal....
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Originally Posted By 1971DJD:
I am not sure but think clear lancer mags passed the deet test for military and I believe they are as strong as colored ones. The Military has several DEET standards from limited contact to full exposure. For example. The window in the Magplevel PMag is resistant enough to have a moderate amount of exposure before it starts to react but long term submersion in DEET will cause crazing. |
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By the time I got my videos and pictures uploaded last night it was too dark to spray them with deet.
So I'll do it today and let them sit overnight and see if anything changes. Here is the Deet, its 98.11% Deet. 
Warning says keep away from some plastics. 
Here are the mags. 
I'll put a good coat of spray on these, we have big mosquitoes up here... 
I'm only spraying one side to see if there is a noticeable difference in the mags tomorrow. 
Evenly coated, sitting up on the grill again. 
The Troy mag is bubbling, not sure whats going on there. 
TangoDown, nothing. 
Pmag, nothing. 
Lancer, nothing. 
Tapco, nothing. 
I'll check back every hour and see if anything cool happened. |
Its not the guy that walks in with a gun and says he is going to start shooting that you have to worry about.
Its the guy that just walks in and just starts shooting.
Its the guy that just walks in and just starts shooting.
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Originally Posted By Magpul:
Originally Posted By bluefalcon:
Originally Posted By InfiniteGrim:
Originally Posted By Berserkr556:
Is that Repel 100% DEET ? If so then this should be good. I have been using the military 100% DEET and the newer 75% in the little green bottles and can say that stuff is hell on plastics and rubber. I've had rubber watch bands melt to black goo and synthetic stocks melt some where my cheek weld was. Thanks again for this great thread. I'm not expecting the DEET to do much. I thought the new lancers and pmags were designed with DEET in mind. As for the other mags who knows. But I think if you took deet to the first gen lancer it would eat it alive. It is pretty easy to find opaque polymers that are DEET proof (as tested here). It is much harder with translucent materials. We tested one translucent material here that actually cracked in half within two minutes of just light exposure to DEET. So it can really affect the wrong material in a bad way quickly. In most cases translucent polymers are considered DEET resistant (limited exposure) but not DEET proof (long term 100% exposure). This is how we classify the window in the Maglevel PMags. Wait just a durned minute, here. You got this quote tree all wrong. |
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Originally Posted By Blain:
The alluminum mags could be welded back and repaired with a little work. I guess so. I'm sure I could pull nails out of pallets, pound 'em straight and use 'em again, too. |
"I have always believed that real political discourse in the houses should involve fisticuffs. Otherwise, you have a bunch of co-conspirators or apathetic mouth breathers." - ValleyGunner
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So I did a little "research" and looked in the store for what paint stripper ruined my older lancer mag...
OP if you want to melt them, this should do the trick... 
http://www.walmart.com/ip/Klean-Strip-Premium-Paint-Stripper/17208799 |
Nothing appears to have changed visually to the mags.
I'll inspect them tomorrow and see if anything happened. |
Its not the guy that walks in with a gun and says he is going to start shooting that you have to worry about.
Its the guy that just walks in and just starts shooting.
Its the guy that just walks in and just starts shooting.
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Originally Posted By InfiniteGrim:
So I did a little "research" and looked in the store for what paint stripper ruined my older lancer mag... OP if you want to melt them, this should do the trick... http://www.wmbarr.com/Images/ProductImages/ESR72_3_R.jpg http://www.walmart.com/ip/Klean-Strip-Premium-Paint-Stripper/17208799 Hmm, I remember you had a legitimate reason to strip the paint which is why the mag started to dissolve. Maybe I'll try that next week if they are still functional then. |
Its not the guy that walks in with a gun and says he is going to start shooting that you have to worry about.
Its the guy that just walks in and just starts shooting.
Its the guy that just walks in and just starts shooting.
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I'm trying to come up with a rank for the magazines in this test. So far, I would have to say the Lancer magazine is undisputedly number 1.
I think I would say, based on this thread: 1. Lancer 2. Either Troy or the TangoDown ARC mag. Troy popped a baseplate, but the ARC broke in half. But they would at least hold their ammunition. 3. See above. 4. Magpul/Tapco. Based on numbers, I figure it would go Magpul, then Tapco. 5. The other of number 4. 6. The GI aluminum mags. Can't wait to see what else is in store. OP, do you think the ARC mag could be put back together and still function if you repeated the vertical drop test? |
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I watched them most the night and nothing changed.
We did get a little rain but it didn't look to do much to the mags. 
The first thing I noticed when I went to flip them over was the Troy. 
Its base is now very soft plastic. 
Flipped over it appears the bodies are OK. Only the Troy is showing changes on its base. 
I'll rinse them off with water and see if anything else happened. |
Its not the guy that walks in with a gun and says he is going to start shooting that you have to worry about.
Its the guy that just walks in and just starts shooting.
Its the guy that just walks in and just starts shooting.
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WI57,
Thank you for doing this thread. As well, you are a crazy mofo!  When I came upon this thread, and got to the part where your Bushmaster was hanging by a strap, that you intended to drop repeatedly, I laughed out loud and said "This guy is a crazy ass motherfucker!"  And I mean that in the best way possible!
As well, if you IM or email me your name & shipping info, I will pay to have one magazine (of any type) shipped to you if you use it in the next round of tests? I am hoping 5-6 other arfcommers step up to the plate with me to support WI57 for his next round of tests so we can at least cover his mag costs? Anyone with me? Even if not, I will still have one shipped to you. Just let me know. KingOfTheBumps |
I washed them off with water and then set them out to dry.
The one one that appears to have been attacked by the Deet is the Troy mag. The Troy magazine body appears to by unchanged. 
But the base is beginning to dissolve. 
So much so that its probably a 1-piece base now, as the tab has fuzed to the outside. 
The TangoDown appears unchanged. 
The follower is showing the crack a little more. 
The Pmag appears unchanged. 
The Pmag crack is still leaking deet/water. 
The Lancer's body appears unchanged, the feed lips are beginning to rust again. 
Nothing changed with the Lancers follower. 
The Tapco mag appears unchanged. 
The crack in the back hasn't changed. 
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Its not the guy that walks in with a gun and says he is going to start shooting that you have to worry about.
Its the guy that just walks in and just starts shooting.
Its the guy that just walks in and just starts shooting.
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Originally Posted By KingOfTheBumps:
WI57, Thank you for doing this thread. As well, you are a crazy mofo! When I came upon this thread, and got to the part where your Bushmaster was hanging by a strap, that you intended to drop repeatedly, I laughed out loud and said "This guy is a crazy ass motherfucker!" And I mean that in the best way possible!
As well, if you IM or email me your name & shipping info, I will pay to have one magazine (of any type) shipped to you if you use it in the next round of tests? I am hoping 5-6 other arfcommers step up to the plate with me to support WI57 for his next round of tests so we can at least cover his mag costs? Anyone with me? Even if not, I will still have one shipped to you. Just let me know. KingOfTheBumps Thank You. I appreciate that you and others have offered to supply mags knowing their fate. 
I might be doing a metal magazine test in the future, we will see what happens. |
Its not the guy that walks in with a gun and says he is going to start shooting that you have to worry about.
Its the guy that just walks in and just starts shooting.
Its the guy that just walks in and just starts shooting.
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Originally Posted By KingOfTheBumps:
WI57, Thank you for doing this thread. As well, you are a crazy mofo! When I came upon this thread, and got to the part where your Bushmaster was hanging by a strap, that you intended to drop repeatedly, I laughed out loud and said "This guy is a crazy ass motherfucker!" And I mean that in the best way possible!
As well, if you IM or email me your name & shipping info, I will pay to have one magazine (of any type) shipped to you if you use it in the next round of tests? I am hoping 5-6 other arfcommers step up to the plate with me to support WI57 for his next round of tests so we can at least cover his mag costs? Anyone with me? Even if not, I will still have one shipped to you. Just let me know. KingOfTheBumps We will cover the PMag (and a few extra) for WI57 |
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Originally Posted By Magpul:
We will cover the PMag (and a few extra) for WI57 Now that is classy. Doesn't make up for Magpul's reps whining earlier about the test being unscientific, but its a nice move IMHO. |
LMT is a company with lousy QC. Buy from a company that cares about its products, like Bravo Company or LaRue.
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Originally Posted By Postal0311:
Originally Posted By Magpul:
We will cover the PMag (and a few extra) for WI57 Doesn't make up for Magpul's reps whining earlier about the test being unscientific, but its a nice move IMHO. Even if joking - Seriously. Give it a rest. Magpul makes a lot of good shit, what they said is true regarding testing, they have been very supportive about this thread from the start, and in general across this board have gone above to please customers. Can't wait to see more and winter testing coming around the corner! |
Finally got out to the range to test fire these.
 But after talking to the range workers it was OK for me to shoot, but I had to use the pistol side.
The mags, the two GI mags are junk, they can't keep their base plates on without me bending the tabs, so I wont be shooting them. 
Whats the scrap price of aluminum these days...? 
All loaded up. 
My poor IMI stash... but its been worth every trigger pull.
The Troy test fire. Base plate is dissolving from the Deet, functioned fine 
The TangoDown test fire. Was able to be reassembled and functioned fine.
Pmag test fire. Pmag will not hold rounds by itself, but continues to feed if in a lower.
The Lancer test fire. Lancers feed lips are bent outward now, but still feeds.
The Tapco test fire. Tapco mag no longer will hold rounds since the back is cracked, but functions in a lower.
(Don't lie, who was waiting for that single round on the hand guard to cook off... )
And the final tests will be conducted tomorrow with the results posted Sunday. 
Everybody wish them luck...
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Its not the guy that walks in with a gun and says he is going to start shooting that you have to worry about.
Its the guy that just walks in and just starts shooting.
Its the guy that just walks in and just starts shooting.
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Originally Posted By Magpul:
Originally Posted By KingOfTheBumps:
WI57, Thank you for doing this thread. As well, you are a crazy mofo! When I came upon this thread, and got to the part where your Bushmaster was hanging by a strap, that you intended to drop repeatedly, I laughed out loud and said "This guy is a crazy ass motherfucker!" And I mean that in the best way possible!
As well, if you IM or email me your name & shipping info, I will pay to have one magazine (of any type) shipped to you if you use it in the next round of tests? I am hoping 5-6 other arfcommers step up to the plate with me to support WI57 for his next round of tests so we can at least cover his mag costs? Anyone with me? Even if not, I will still have one shipped to you. Just let me know. KingOfTheBumps We will cover the PMag (and a few extra) for WI57 I love how magpul is getting into it. Your a badass company and I cant buy enough of your products! |
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I posted a kaboom thread that included a blown pmag. They asked for me to send it in and I'm awaiting a FREE replacement.
Moral of the story- if you are tough enough on mags to reach the end of its life, the company standing behind it is an important factor as well! At the end of the test, contact the manufactures as John Doe and see which ones are willing to deal with you. |
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Originally Posted By 1911xdm:
Originally Posted By Magpul:
Originally Posted By KingOfTheBumps:
WI57, Thank you for doing this thread. As well, you are a crazy mofo! When I came upon this thread, and got to the part where your Bushmaster was hanging by a strap, that you intended to drop repeatedly, I laughed out loud and said "This guy is a crazy ass motherfucker!" And I mean that in the best way possible!
As well, if you IM or email me your name & shipping info, I will pay to have one magazine (of any type) shipped to you if you use it in the next round of tests? I am hoping 5-6 other arfcommers step up to the plate with me to support WI57 for his next round of tests so we can at least cover his mag costs? Anyone with me? Even if not, I will still have one shipped to you. Just let me know. KingOfTheBumps We will cover the PMag (and a few extra) for WI57 I love how magpul is getting into it. Your a badass company and I cant buy enough of your products! 
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Originally Posted By lazyengineer:
Originally Posted By oogabooga289:
It's only $20.00 for a family membership?! That's after the price increase. Man I miss Wisconsin - love that state. 
Back in CA, that would buy a day...for one person...and a paper target...maybe... |
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Originally Posted By Shane333:
Impressive that they held up to Deet (as far as we can see) as well as they did. Agreed, I thought deet would have a much worse effect. WI57, if you read this before you do today's test give me a ring.
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Wicked windy, super far, a buncha mils, send it!
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Originally Posted By WI57:
Teaser picture... http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg76/gi57/9C892987-4F36-4607-A458-A2CB153D186E-790-000000C94DF63EA6.jpg
 . I'M SO EXCITED!!!!
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Originally Posted By InfiniteGrim:
http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg76/gi57/MagTest/P8162220.jpg I still think the Troy is doing well. The rust on the spring has had zero effect on the mags reliability. Its all over after a quick trip to the farm I am betting. 
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A Soldier who can't shoot isn't.
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Originally Posted By WI57:
Teaser picture... http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg76/gi57/9C892987-4F36-4607-A458-A2CB153D186E-790-000000C94DF63EA6.jpg
OHBOYOHBOYOHBOY!!! 
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I do have one thing to add... if you enjoy the presence of a magazine, do not set it on the brake of a Barrett...
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Its not the guy that walks in with a gun and says he is going to start shooting that you have to worry about.
Its the guy that just walks in and just starts shooting.
Its the guy that just walks in and just starts shooting.
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I didn't like how the floor plate locked but the spring getting rusted like that is a really put off. |
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Originally Posted By WI57:
I do have one thing to add... if you enjoy the presence of a magazine, do not set it on the brake of a Barrett... http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg76/gi57/EF182481-B4CB-42F4-B519-E97445AC12BA-985-000000DA2C066486.jpg
Two questions, how did you fire it like that, and how high does the Barrett fling the brass? |
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Originally Posted By NUcadet07:
Two questions, how did you fire it like that, and how high does the Barrett fling the brass? Wasn't that hard to shoot it, laid the rifle on a towel and held it to the shoulder. Brass went about a foot up, and 4' forward. Problem is this M82 didn't have "home-boy" sights so dumping the bullet into the alfalfa at 20 yards was kinda difficult. |
Its not the guy that walks in with a gun and says he is going to start shooting that you have to worry about.
Its the guy that just walks in and just starts shooting.
Its the guy that just walks in and just starts shooting.
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