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1/20/2014 2:22:56 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By C_1:
Nice! Specs on barrel (make/length/profile) please.
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11.5" doublestar that ADCO lightened up a bit.
You keep comparing yourself to someone that people actually liked, and I think that's where you first stepped off. -TREETOP
1/25/2014 12:19:40 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Nada-Nada:



Isn't a milspec stock lighter than the Battle Link stock?

What is the lightest stock available?
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Originally Posted By Nada-Nada:
Originally Posted By ajclune:
I already wanted to do a lightweight build for my rifle. I have the mag tactical lower in FDE and an Upper on order also FDE. already put in a Daniel Defense LPK. and I believe Ill be going with the Battle link Minimalist stock. Havent decided on a hand guard but really want a 13-15" with top rail. I know that will add to my weight but I like the site longer radius. will be going with a 16" barrel because I want to keep the ability to change flash suppressors easily and will be adding a silencer if Ohios Silencer Hunting laws go through.

Back to the point this thread and the FDE thread will make me put this rifle together faster than Ill want to. Thanks guys.



Isn't a milspec stock lighter than the Battle Link stock?

What is the lightest stock available?

This one appears to be a little on the fat side.
1/28/2014 10:16:59 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Lohe][Edited] [#3]
Well got most my parts in.  And just a hair over 5lbs but thats with a M16 BCG will be swaping for a LMOS. And that's a 16" barrel I have a 14.5 coming.
But didn't have a flash hider or sights yet.  So with the parts swap I should be right around the 5lb mark would be nice if I go under.



1/28/2014 10:20:56 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Lohe:
Well got most my parts in.  And just a hair over 5lbs but thats with a M16 BCG will be swaping for a LMOS. And that's a 16" barrel I have a 14.5 coming.
But didn't have a flash hider or sights yet.  So with the parts swap I should be right around the 5lb mark would be nice if I go under.

<a href="http://s255.photobucket.com/user/lohe123/media/17A2EBC0-E762-405E-99C4-E6E8DF8D15EC_zpskofzu0fe.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh148/lohe123/17A2EBC0-E762-405E-99C4-E6E8DF8D15EC_zpskofzu0fe.jpg</a>

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Specs?
1/28/2014 10:32:22 AM EDT
[#5]
Mag tactical upper/lower will have a spikes 14.5 LTW barrel when done.  Geissele 13" MK4 rail.
1/28/2014 10:47:21 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Lohe:
Mag tactical upper/lower will have a spikes 14.5 LTW barrel when done.  Geissele 13" MK4 rail.
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Cool. Looks good!
1/28/2014 11:46:19 AM EDT
[#7]
Mag tactical upper on it's way.
1/28/2014 12:15:21 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Nada-Nada:
Mag tactical upper on it's way.
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As soon as they release their non-FA model, I'll be getting a couple.
You keep comparing yourself to someone that people actually liked, and I think that's where you first stepped off. -TREETOP
1/28/2014 2:03:05 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By JoshAston:


As soon as they release their non-FA model, I'll be getting a couple.
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Originally Posted By JoshAston:
Originally Posted By Nada-Nada:
Mag tactical upper on it's way.


As soon as they release their non-FA model, I'll be getting a couple.


+1
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1/28/2014 2:24:16 PM EDT
[#10]
I have the same thinking but running with the upper I can get for now.
1/28/2014 2:36:48 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By JoshAston:
Originally Posted By Nada-Nada:
Mag tactical upper on it's way.


As soon as they release their non-FA model, I'll be getting a couple.


+1


I got an e-mail from them a few days ago saying they are definitely going to make them, no ETA though.
You keep comparing yourself to someone that people actually liked, and I think that's where you first stepped off. -TREETOP
1/28/2014 8:34:53 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By JoshAston:


I got an e-mail from them a few days ago saying they are definitely going to make them, no ETA though.
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Originally Posted By PursuitSS:
Originally Posted By JoshAston:
Originally Posted By Nada-Nada:
Mag tactical upper on it's way.


As soon as they release their non-FA model, I'll be getting a couple.


+1


I got an e-mail from them a few days ago saying they are definitely going to make them, no ETA though.


Worth the wait!
"When trading bullets it is better to give than to receive"

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1/28/2014 9:54:55 PM EDT
[#13]
Geisssel is kind of heavy though, isn't it? A full 4 oz heavier than the MI SSK rails..
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2/1/2014 5:29:40 PM EDT
[#14]
If someone were to build a 10" Barreled Ar with a pistol positioned gas block and a 3.8oz boomfab carrier - where can run learn about the tricks to properly setup and run such a system?

What buffers to be used? A pigtail gas tube?  etc.
2/1/2014 5:38:49 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Nada-Nada:
If someone were to build a 10" Barreled Ar with a pistol positioned gas block and a 3.8oz boomfab carrier - where can run learn about the tricks to properly setup and run such a system?

What buffers to be used? A pigtail gas tube?  etc.
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Pistol length gas on a 10" 5.56 barrel is a bad idea.  High port pressure coupled with excessive dwell time is just asking for parts to break early.

ETA:  you'd also have a hard time finding that barrel, I've never seen it as an option on a factory barrel.

Also, pigtail gas tubes are a gimmick.  Lengthening the gas tube without moving the gas port further down the barrel solves nothing.
You keep comparing yourself to someone that people actually liked, and I think that's where you first stepped off. -TREETOP
2/1/2014 5:39:04 PM EDT
[#16]
The AR pistol section

Here
2/1/2014 6:10:43 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Nada-Nada][Edited] [#17]
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Originally Posted By JoshAston:


Pistol length gas on a 10" 5.56 barrel is a bad idea.  High port pressure coupled with excessive dwell time is just asking for parts to break early.

ETA:  you'd also have a hard time finding that barrel, I've never seen it as an option on a factory barrel.

Also, pigtail gas tubes are a gimmick.  Lengthening the gas tube without moving the gas port further down the barrel solves nothing.
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Originally Posted By JoshAston:
Originally Posted By Nada-Nada:
If someone were to build a 10" Barreled Ar with a pistol positioned gas block and a 3.8oz boomfab carrier - where can run learn about the tricks to properly setup and run such a system?

What buffers to be used? A pigtail gas tube?  etc.


Pistol length gas on a 10" 5.56 barrel is a bad idea.  High port pressure coupled with excessive dwell time is just asking for parts to break early.

ETA:  you'd also have a hard time finding that barrel, I've never seen it as an option on a factory barrel.

Also, pigtail gas tubes are a gimmick.  Lengthening the gas tube without moving the gas port further down the barrel solves nothing.



What length gas system on a 10" 223 barrel would you suggest?

EDIT: It is either that or a carbine length. Nothing else would fit. Note I would be running an adjustable gas block as well.
2/1/2014 6:39:34 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Nada-Nada:



What length gas system on a 10" 223 barrel would you suggest?

EDIT: It is either that or a carbine length. Nothing else would fit. Note I would be running an adjustable gas block as well.
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Originally Posted By Nada-Nada:
Originally Posted By JoshAston:
Originally Posted By Nada-Nada:
If someone were to build a 10" Barreled Ar with a pistol positioned gas block and a 3.8oz boomfab carrier - where can run learn about the tricks to properly setup and run such a system?

What buffers to be used? A pigtail gas tube?  etc.


Pistol length gas on a 10" 5.56 barrel is a bad idea.  High port pressure coupled with excessive dwell time is just asking for parts to break early.

ETA:  you'd also have a hard time finding that barrel, I've never seen it as an option on a factory barrel.

Also, pigtail gas tubes are a gimmick.  Lengthening the gas tube without moving the gas port further down the barrel solves nothing.



What length gas system on a 10" 223 barrel would you suggest?

EDIT: It is either that or a carbine length. Nothing else would fit. Note I would be running an adjustable gas block as well.


Carbine.
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2/2/2014 8:52:57 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By djkest:


I think it would be really awesome if we had some sort of repository for weights for various items. I'm not 100% sure what it would look like or where on ARFCOM it would be posted.
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A little out of date but a start



AR Parts Weights
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2/2/2014 9:00:24 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By usmcmp:
A little out of date but a start

AR Parts Weights: Sheet1





hosted by tacticalyellowvisor.net
 
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Originally Posted By djkest:
I think it would be really awesome if we had some sort of repository for weights for various items. I'm not 100% sure what it would look like or where on ARFCOM it would be posted.
A little out of date but a start

AR Parts Weights: Sheet1





hosted by tacticalyellowvisor.net
 


2/2/2014 11:14:03 PM EDT
[#21]
This?
Tactical Yellow Visor Rail Weight Chart
2/3/2014 1:40:45 PM EDT
[#22]
CAV-15 MKII lower w/ standard buffer and spring, SP1 Upper, 9310/FA BCG, DD 16" carbine lightweight barrel, VTAC Sling, tactical electrical tape
6lb 12oz with a primary "optic," sling, and full 30rd mag

I'm thinking about butchering up the CAV-15 a bit for a shorter length of pull and a little grip work, and would like to put a MI-FSB light mount on there since I have a TLR-1S that just sits around since I have changed pistol lights.
Also contemplating going to a middy. I have a 16" lightweight barrel sitting around and all the handguard parts, just need a FSB pinned and I might try it, would still be under 6 unloaded with a sling, maybe even with a light




2/3/2014 7:01:05 PM EDT
[Last Edit: henschman][Edited] [#23]
This one weighs right at 6 lbs. unloaded... less with the optic removed.  It is a PSA Premium light profile 16" middy, with a Bushnell TRS-25 red dot.  We put this together for my Dad.  

2/4/2014 11:26:51 AM EDT
[#24]
Speaking of Mag Tactical...
http://www.magtacticalsystems.com/index.php/rifles/product/231-air-15-recon#specs
A bit pricey but lightweight out of the box. Cool, but not as fun as doing it yourself.
2/4/2014 11:32:10 AM EDT
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What does the hive say about the lightest muzzle brake?

Anyone know what a A2 Birdcage weighs? Googled it to death, couldn't find it.

The Mag Tac muzzle devices weighs 1.9oz. A BE Meyers comes in a 2.5.

2/4/2014 2:02:00 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Lohe:
Well got most my parts in.  And just a hair over 5lbs but thats with a M16 BCG will be swaping for a LMOS. And that's a 16" barrel I have a 14.5 coming.
But didn't have a flash hider or sights yet.  So with the parts swap I should be right around the 5lb mark would be nice if I go under.

<a href="http://s255.photobucket.com/user/lohe123/media/17A2EBC0-E762-405E-99C4-E6E8DF8D15EC_zpskofzu0fe.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh148/lohe123/17A2EBC0-E762-405E-99C4-E6E8DF8D15EC_zpskofzu0fe.jpg</a>

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Well found the BCG I am going to use. Lighter than the JP lmos.

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_12/636363_.html&page=3&anc=6343671#i6343671
2/6/2014 3:30:18 PM EDT
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Changed MK4 13 for 9.5



LWRC compact for Ultra Compact.


Normal lower instead of MEGA ambi.










Now well under 6.














       










 
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2/6/2014 4:11:44 PM EDT
[Last Edit: azhammer][Edited] [#28]
Heres a Colt I put together a couple years ago. Weighed in at 5lbs 14oz. with empty D&Hmag


2/6/2014 4:27:50 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By RustedAce:
LWRC compact for Ultra Compact.
Now well under 6.
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Couple questions. Could you weight your LWRC compact? They state 7.9 ounces.

Also, did you weigh the Ultra-compact stock and hardware seperately? They don't list the weight for the ultra-compact.

Thanks.
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2/6/2014 6:05:35 PM EDT
[#30]
My scale says:



Compact: 8oz.

Ultra comp: 7.2




UC buffer/ spring: 3.8 (I replaced one of the heavier weights in it with a standard.)

standard buffer/ spring: 4.8




Should have weighed the whole kit before I installed it, but its stacked now.
Scrips, Arfcommers, countrymen, I come not praise the Cola Warrior but to penalize him. The evil that the conex does lives after it, the pain oft interred in your bones.
2/6/2014 7:28:05 PM EDT
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Wow. I think I am going to go with the CAR stock at 4.4oz for now. If it bothers me, I will get a different stock, but one under 6 oz.

I do like that super compact setup, but not at that weight.
2/6/2014 8:06:13 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Nada-Nada:
Wow. I think I am going to go with the CAR stock at 4.4oz for now. If it bothers me, I will get a different stock, but one under 6 oz.

I do like that super compact setup, but not at that weight.
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Ultra compact buffer tube and internals with a chopped CAR stock.
You keep comparing yourself to someone that people actually liked, and I think that's where you first stepped off. -TREETOP
2/6/2014 8:16:38 PM EDT
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Ultra compact buffer tube and internals with a chopped CAR stock.
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You could also replace both tungsten weights with steel and save a little more.




Im digging my set up though, going for as light as I can and still be comfy/ functional. I can't stand the CAR stocks.
Scrips, Arfcommers, countrymen, I come not praise the Cola Warrior but to penalize him. The evil that the conex does lives after it, the pain oft interred in your bones.
2/6/2014 8:30:58 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By RustedAce:

  You could also replace both tungsten weights with steel and save a little more.

Im digging my set up though, going for as light as I can and still be comfy/ functional. I can't stand the CAR stocks.
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Originally Posted By RustedAce:
Originally Posted By JoshAston:
Ultra compact buffer tube and internals with a chopped CAR stock.

  You could also replace both tungsten weights with steel and save a little more.

Im digging my set up though, going for as light as I can and still be comfy/ functional. I can't stand the CAR stocks.


Or just leave the buffer empty.
You keep comparing yourself to someone that people actually liked, and I think that's where you first stepped off. -TREETOP
2/6/2014 10:22:22 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By RustedAce:

  You could also replace both tungsten weights with steel and save a little more.

Im digging my set up though, going for as light as I can and still be comfy/ functional. I can't stand the CAR stocks.
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Originally Posted By RustedAce:
Originally Posted By JoshAston:
Ultra compact buffer tube and internals with a chopped CAR stock.

  You could also replace both tungsten weights with steel and save a little more.

Im digging my set up though, going for as light as I can and still be comfy/ functional. I can't stand the CAR stocks.


Very nice, thanks for the updates. That's what I'm going for too. Lightweight but still comfortable.

If you feel like shaving half ounces off your build, V7 systems has some really cool trick parts available, such as a slick Aluminum Ejection Port Door.

I'm saving up for an LWRC Compact stock in FDE. Wishing they would do free shipping or a sale or something. The Battlelink Minimalist is tempting but for some reason I don't think it would be that comfortable, esp with drills.
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2/6/2014 10:56:55 PM EDT
[#36]
Anyone have any experience with TACCOM ultra light buffer systems?

http://www.taccom3g.com/UL_AR15_RECOIL_SYSTEM.html
2/6/2014 11:19:58 PM EDT
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Has anyone used the spikes bcg that has holes drilled to lighten them? I found a video showing only 3\4 oz savings, but what about felt recoil any experience?

https://www.primaryarms.com/Bolt-Carrier-Group-Spike-s-Lightweight-Nickel-Bo-p/st5bg05.htm
2/7/2014 12:45:12 AM EDT
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You could also replace both tungsten weights with steel and save a little more.
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Originally Posted By JoshAston:

Ultra compact buffer tube and internals with a chopped CAR stock.


 
You could also replace both tungsten weights with steel and save a little more.




Im digging my set up though, going for as light as I can and still be comfy/ functional. I can't stand the CAR stocks.
B5 Bravo stock is about 8 oz and very comfortable imo.

 
2/7/2014 1:12:25 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By jukeboxx13:


Im digging my set up though, going for as light as I can and still be comfy/ functional. I can't stand the CAR stocks.

B5 Bravo stock is about 8 oz and very comfortable imo.  
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Originally Posted By jukeboxx13:
Originally Posted By RustedAce:
Originally Posted By JoshAston:
Ultra compact buffer tube and internals with a chopped CAR stock.

  You could also replace both tungsten weights with steel and save a little more.


Im digging my set up though, going for as light as I can and still be comfy/ functional. I can't stand the CAR stocks.

B5 Bravo stock is about 8 oz and very comfortable imo.  


Yes the B5 Systems Sopmod Bravo is 8.25 oz
LWRC Compact 7.9-8.0 ounces
LCRC Ultra Compact : also about 8 oz
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2/7/2014 1:12:48 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By jukeboxx13:


Im digging my set up though, going for as light as I can and still be comfy/ functional. I can't stand the CAR stocks.

B5 Bravo stock is about 8 oz and very comfortable imo.  
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Originally Posted By jukeboxx13:
Originally Posted By RustedAce:
Originally Posted By JoshAston:
Ultra compact buffer tube and internals with a chopped CAR stock.

  You could also replace both tungsten weights with steel and save a little more.


Im digging my set up though, going for as light as I can and still be comfy/ functional. I can't stand the CAR stocks.

B5 Bravo stock is about 8 oz and very comfortable imo.  


Yes the B5 Systems Sopmod Bravo is 8.25 oz
LWRC Compact 7.9-8.0 ounces
LCRC Ultra Compact : 7.2 oz
The zombies are coming...
2/7/2014 10:28:52 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Whhood][Edited] [#41]
I've got 2 B5 Bravos and they both weigh 9.4 on two different scales. Are people taking the but pad off to get 8.25. I know my scales are calibrated because my weights are on with everyone else's on BCGs and other items.
2/7/2014 10:34:03 AM EDT
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I've got 2 B5 Bravos and they both weigh 9.4 on two different scales.
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Mine says 8.96 and my MOE with buttpad is 9.11.

 






Both are painted if that matters?




Lil off spec from what the websites tell you I guess.

 
2/7/2014 10:38:55 AM EDT
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Mine says 8.96 and my MOE with buttpad is 9.11.    

Both are painted if that matters?
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Originally Posted By Whhood:
I've got 2 B5 Bravos and they both weigh 9.4 on two different scales.
Mine says 8.96 and my MOE with buttpad is 9.11.    

Both are painted if that matters?


Does your Bravo have the buttpad?
2/7/2014 10:39:28 AM EDT
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Does your Bravo have the buttpad?
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Originally Posted By jukeboxx13:


Originally Posted By Whhood:

I've got 2 B5 Bravos and they both weigh 9.4 on two different scales.
Mine says 8.96 and my MOE with buttpad is 9.11.    



Both are painted if that matters?





Does your Bravo have the buttpad?
Yes its has everything on the way it was shipped to me.

 
2/7/2014 10:53:47 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By paralax:
Has anyone used the spikes bcg that has holes drilled to lighten them? I found a video showing only 3\4 oz savings, but what about felt recoil any experience?

https://www.primaryarms.com/Bolt-Carrier-Group-Spike-s-Lightweight-Nickel-Bo-p/st5bg05.htm
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Look at the top of the page read the BCG link I posted...
2/8/2014 3:12:41 PM EDT
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All I had left over after cannibalizing my M&P Sport was the upper receiver, the flash hider, the MBUS and the stock. So of course I had to build a rifle out of them. Figured I'd go the lightweight route since the upper receiver has no FA or dust cover:

2/10/2014 2:33:05 PM EDT
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2/10/2014 3:46:34 PM EDT
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that is under 6?
2/10/2014 4:35:46 PM EDT
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that is under 6?
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Originally Posted By arjohnson:

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that is under 6?
Gonna need to see scale pics lol

 
2/10/2014 4:38:35 PM EDT
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Does anyone have any experience with the New Frontier / Accu-Group poly lower parts kits?

I have a full kit here, I can pick and choose from it that which I want to use, etc.



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