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Posted: 7/21/2024 4:17:35 PM EDT
[Last Edit: TargetEarth]
Where can I find it.... budget is around $1000.00 for a upper, or parts to make one
not up to date on the cool stuff, thanks ETA.. fixed the budget problem 
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TX, USA
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Posted: 7/21/2024 5:02:19 PM EDT
[#1]
100k?!?!
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Posted: 7/21/2024 5:15:01 PM EDT
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M110 SASS with M110 suppressor is the best HD rifle
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Posted: 7/21/2024 5:34:08 PM EDT
[#3]
7.5" to 8.5" blackout and a can.
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Posted: 7/21/2024 5:34:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TBone556: 100k?!?! |
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Posted: 7/21/2024 5:36:29 PM EDT
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Also trying to stay 5.56
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Posted: 7/21/2024 5:40:20 PM EDT
[#6]
Don’t forget to add an additional 200 for NFA and maybe another 200 for a can. Be prepared to wait a while.
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Posted: 7/21/2024 5:41:20 PM EDT
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Criterion Core
Centurion CHF build the rest. |
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Posted: 7/21/2024 5:41:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dntama: Don't forget to add an additional 200 for NFA and maybe another 200 for a can. Be prepared to wait a while. 
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Posted: 7/21/2024 5:50:19 PM EDT
[Last Edit: TargetEarth]
[#9]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ZoToL: Criterion Core Centurion CHF build the rest. Centurion lightweight 12.5 or 11.5 Good stuff, was thinking I could buy one done, but snapping it together is going to be the way to go... thanks ETA. going to continue the quest, lots of stuff sold out right now |
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MT, USA
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Posted: 7/21/2024 6:15:28 PM EDT
[Last Edit: spyderboy03]
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Strictly home defense? Suppressed?
I love my 12.5" with a k can for a do it all rifle. Great outside and useable inside. My wife's 10.3" is awesome inside, even with a full sized can. Very compact and handy, moreso with a k can or no can. Easy to make hits at distance if needed, but it is strictly for in the house/on the property so I'm ok sacrificing some velocity. An 11.5" with k can would be the same length as the above 10.3". I started down this route with a 10.5" rail, but that made the gun feel a lot bigger than the 10.3" with 9.3" rail, even though it isn't that much bigger. I wasn't able to sell that barrel (Spike's CHF pencil), so I built it with a 9.3" rail and it does feel pretty handy. My HD/property gun is an 8" 300 Blk. It feels tiny compared to the 10.3". However, you said you want to stick with 5.56. If you don't want to sacrifice velocity with a 10.3" and the main goal is inside, go 11.5". If you want a little more range and not a mainly indoors gun, go 12.5". ETA: FN made barrel. Only lighter 11.5" is the BCM when I did my research. https://lanbosarmory.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=26499&referrer=CNWR_4191340829622 |
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Posted: 7/21/2024 6:43:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By spyderboy03: Strictly home defense? Suppressed? I love my 12.5" with a k can for a do it all rifle. Great outside and useable inside. My wife's 10.3" is awesome inside, even with a full sized can. Very compact and handy, moreso with a k can or no can. Easy to make hits at distance if needed, but it is strictly for in the house/on the property so I'm ok sacrificing some velocity. An 11.5" with k can would be the same length as the above 10.3". I started down this route with a 10.5" rail, but that made the gun feel a lot bigger than the 10.3" with 9.3" rail, even though it isn't that much bigger. I wasn't able to sell that barrel (Spike's CHF pencil), so I built it with a 9.3" rail and it does feel pretty handy. My HD/property gun is an 8" 300 Blk. It feels tiny compared to the 10.3". However, you said you want to stick with 5.56. If you don't want to sacrifice velocity with a 10.3" and the main goal is inside, go 11.5". If you want a little more range and not a mainly indoors gun, go 12.5". ETA: FN made barrel. Only lighter 11.5" is the BCM when I did my research. https://lanbosarmory.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=26499&referrer=CNWR_4191340829622 300 blk out is adding another caliber, not sure I want to and a can, don't have a 30 cal, I appreciate the input from all you guys.. |
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MT, USA
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Posted: 7/21/2024 6:50:05 PM EDT
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This is how I originally built the spikes pencil. Add a light and this was a very handy 11.5".
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Posted: 7/21/2024 7:34:36 PM EDT
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Either length will work fine. I use an 11.5 criterion on my home defense gun. No complaints.
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MS, USA
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Posted: 7/21/2024 7:43:47 PM EDT
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Still 16" as far as I am concerned. Maybe a little unwieldy, but effective and no paperwork to be concerned about.
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SD, USA
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Posted: 7/21/2024 7:48:28 PM EDT
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If your not stuck on a chf barrel centurion has the mil spec chrome lined barrels on sale for $140. 12.5” in stock. They also have the chf 12.5” in stock for $300. My build in progress has the 12.5 mil spec barrel using their pinned gas block.
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IL, USA
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Posted: 7/21/2024 10:28:04 PM EDT
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HD only? Between the two, go 11.5” even though 12.5” is mo betta.
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Posted: 7/21/2024 10:45:40 PM EDT
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11.3 with can.
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CA, USA
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Posted: 7/22/2024 2:33:05 AM EDT
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12.125" rifle length gas
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NC, USA
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Posted: 7/22/2024 6:40:29 AM EDT
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As a dirty civilian go 10.3 and don't look back!
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TX, USA
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Posted: 7/22/2024 8:01:27 AM EDT
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For home defense I would go 11.5" over 12.5" for sure.
I would even consider a 10.3" Daniel Defense hammer forged barrel if I was using a can... but their upper is too expensive. If I had to do a complete assembled upper that is in stock, I would go 11.5" ELW BCM barrel with MCMR 10. You will want a BRT gas tube or a Superlative Arms gas block if you dont want your gun to be over gassed when suppressed. Remember the BCM ELW profile is a .625" gas block while DD is a .750" size. While the BCM MCMR is fine, I prefer the MI Combat rail. It is slightly lighter. slightly less expensive, slightly better anti rotation feature, slightly easier install and has integrated QDs. Also the MI Combat rail has more size options. If building, I would go this route for a budget rail. If I was doing a rifle that I wanted to tune separately for suppressed and unsuppressed on an 11.5" barrel, I would use a Rifle Speed gas block and 9.5" MI rail. Or I would use a 10.5" rail with the 11.5" if doing a Superlative Arms gas block tuned to a single ideal unsuppressed setting. If you just want an assembled currently in stock upper I would get a complete BCM ELW Fluted 11.5" with MCMR 10 rail. Then swap a BRT gas tube, Superlative Arms gas block, or Rifle Speed gas block based on budget and needs. |
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Posted: 7/22/2024 8:10:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dhena81: 12.125" rifle length gas Ummm… how? |
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Posted: 7/22/2024 8:46:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 45-Seventy: Ummm how? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 45-Seventy: Originally Posted By dhena81: 12.125" rifle length gas Ummm how? |
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Posted: 7/22/2024 9:09:10 PM EDT
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Good info and good pics...I'm drifting
away from the title..towards the 13.7 13.9 pin and weld kit, Lightweight barrel chf or something else good, gotta be light Centurion rail, or something close.. thanks ZoToL Aimpoint T2 ?? What do you think with the rules changed I think this would become a favorite |
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Posted: 7/22/2024 9:09:55 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/22/2024 9:26:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jmt1271: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/49348/20240226_171325_jpg-3274410.JPG  What length barrel 11.5 ? |
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Posted: 7/22/2024 9:35:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TargetEarth: I'm backing the FDE What length barrel 11.5 ? Yes sir, 11.5 Centurion, DDC Fed rail, Geisselle lower/upper. FCD small parts. Usually has my old AAC can on it, currently my favorite rifle. |
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IL, USA
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Posted: 7/22/2024 9:40:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TargetEarth: Mid length maybe? Quote said rifle length. |
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Posted: 7/22/2024 9:58:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By panthermark: Quote said rifle length. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By panthermark: Originally Posted By TargetEarth: Mid length maybe? Quote said rifle length. |
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Posted: 7/22/2024 10:01:50 PM EDT
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Looks like I will have to do 2 Rifles now
I knew better to ask, I knew pics would be posted 
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Posted: 7/22/2024 10:53:52 PM EDT
[#30]
I support 11.5. Mine (criterion core) balances perfectly WITH the can. It stupid handy without.
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Posted: 7/23/2024 7:10:30 AM EDT
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MI Rail, lighter than most good looks.. This without Suppressor is 6lb 5.3oz
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Posted: 7/23/2024 9:34:44 AM EDT
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 Attached File11.5 Centurion CHF barrel, SiCo OMega, MK16 rail, T2 in a 1.54 Scalarworks w/ a G super 42 buffer kit....it's awesome. |
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Posted: 7/23/2024 9:40:56 AM EDT
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20"
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Posted: 7/23/2024 11:49:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By hoody2shoez: 20"  |
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Posted: 7/23/2024 11:51:56 AM EDT
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Posted: 7/23/2024 12:12:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TargetEarth: Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TargetEarth: Originally Posted By hoody2shoez: 20" Listen homie... Every round is a defensive round with a 20" barrel |
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USA
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Posted: 7/23/2024 12:16:36 PM EDT
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18-21inch Benelli M4M1/M2 Beretta 1301 Comp
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Posted: 7/23/2024 3:30:52 PM EDT
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Check out the Sionics 11.5 RGP barrels, great balance on them and love the contour, similar to BRT or Geissele. I use one 100 percent suppressed as my SHTF weapon.
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Posted: 7/23/2024 9:00:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By hoody2shoez: Listen homie... Every round is a defensive round with a 20" barrel With that said, I vote 12.5”. And pretty much any silencer. But a 20” is a perfectly valid choice. I think the arguments that can be made for it are more compelling than the arguments that can be made for shorter than 10”. |
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Posted: 7/26/2024 8:28:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DevL: For home defense I would go 11.5" over 12.5" for sure. I would even consider a 10.3" Daniel Defense hammer forged barrel if I was using a can... but their upper is too expensive. If I had to do a complete assembled upper that is in stock, I would go 11.5" ELW BCM barrel with MCMR 10. You will want a BRT gas tube or a Superlative Arms gas block if you dont want your gun to be over gassed when suppressed. Remember the BCM ELW profile is a .625" gas block while DD is a .750" size. While the BCM MCMR is fine, I prefer the MI Combat rail. It is slightly lighter. slightly less expensive, slightly better anti rotation feature, slightly easier install and has integrated QDs. Also the MI Combat rail has more size options. If building, I would go this route for a budget rail. If I was doing a rifle that I wanted to tune separately for suppressed and unsuppressed on an 11.5" barrel, I would use a Rifle Speed gas block and 9.5" MI rail. Or I would use a 10.5" rail with the 11.5" if doing a Superlative Arms gas block tuned to a single ideal unsuppressed setting. If you just want an assembled currently in stock upper I would get a complete BCM ELW Fluted 11.5" with MCMR 10 rail. Then swap a BRT gas tube, Superlative Arms gas block, or Rifle Speed gas block based on budget and needs. 11.5 seems like it's sold out alot of places, but.... this one is in stock, checking it out, I've read all the posts, I think I want a 11.5 the Centurion I like, but sold out, will keep looking, thanks everyone for the help. |
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Posted: 7/26/2024 9:10:40 PM EDT
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I'd do a quality 11.5 with an intelligenty thought out taper to it. There are many these days that have a similar profile. I use a criterion core and it ballances great, even with a can. You have a few options if centurion doesn't pan out. I'm a huge fan of the tapered profile and most of the better company's offer it.
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MI, USA
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Posted: 7/26/2024 9:40:32 PM EDT
[#42]
 Clone? Correct. FBI HRT Build I’m running the Sionics ERGP barrel on my HRT clone and it shoots extremely smoothly, especially with the A5 system. |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 7/27/2024 7:39:03 AM EDT
[#43]
I switched from 10.5 to 12.5
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Posted: 7/27/2024 7:52:42 AM EDT
[Last Edit: ZoToL]
[#44]
I have one of these on my XM177 build. FN CHF chrome lined.
https://www.spikestactical.com/collections/barrels/5-56-barrel-chf-lightweight-11-5/ |
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USA
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Posted: 7/27/2024 1:27:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TargetEarth: Are we in a panic 11.5 seems like it's sold out alot of places, but.... this one is in stock, checking it out, I've read all the posts, I think I want a 11.5 the Centurion I like, but sold out, will keep looking, thanks everyone for the help. https://www.primaryarms.com/rosco-manufacturing-bloodline-556-barrel-government-carbine-11.5?quantity=1 |
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Posted: 7/27/2024 1:30:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By switchback7: https://www.primaryarms.com/rosco-manufacturing-bloodline-556-barrel-government-carbine-11.5?quantity=1 Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By switchback7: Originally Posted By TargetEarth: Are we in a panic 11.5 seems like it's sold out alot of places, but.... this one is in stock, checking it out, I've read all the posts, I think I want a 11.5 the Centurion I like, but sold out, will keep looking, thanks everyone for the help. https://www.primaryarms.com/rosco-manufacturing-bloodline-556-barrel-government-carbine-11.5?quantity=1 |
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Posted: 7/27/2024 1:31:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RangeToy: I switched from 10.5 to 12.5 |
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Posted: 7/27/2024 1:32:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TargetEarth: I should have said lightweight, I have never heard of these, are they decent? Great question! I personally have never used one of these barrels. |
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Posted: 7/27/2024 2:02:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ZoToL: I have one of these on my XM177 build. FN CHF chrome lined. https://www.spikestactical.com/collections/barrels/5-56-barrel-chf-lightweight-11-5/ I found it for 258.00 |
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Posted: 7/27/2024 2:35:14 PM EDT
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That's a solid option, even if the choices weren't getting thin
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