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Posted: 9/21/2026 9:32:03 PM EDT
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I can accomplish the same thing on a large sheet of quarter inch graph paper with a black circle pasted on it correct? Presuming 1/4 MOA is a quarter of an inch at 25 yards then the graph paper would essentially be the same 1/4 MOA per square (at 25 yards), just harder to see from any distance. Yeah I know the target below is meters but it serves its purpose for my question.
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Originally Posted By TGH456E: Yes, you are correct. Of course that one explains the various click adjustments of Mil optics on the bottom. |
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Originally Posted By USMC88-93:Presuming 1/4 MOA is a quarter of an inch at 25 yards then the graph paper would essentially be the same 1/4 MOA per square (at 25 yards).... Check your math. 1 MOA is slightly more than 1 inch at 100 yd. 1/4 MOA is slightly more than 1/4 of an inch at 100 yards. 1 MOA is slightly more than 1/4 inch at 25 yards. 1/4 MOA is slightly more than 1/16th of an inch at 25 yards (0.06545 inches). The target that you posted in the OP is clearly marked at one MOA per square. It is marked with 1/4 inch grid squares and is designed to be shot at 25 yards. Your idea to use 1/4 inch graph paper will give you the same 1 MOA markings at 25 yards. |
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Mixing meters and minutes is one of the dumber practices in target shooting. Especially on scopes with minute dials and mil reticles. The problem with this target is that it is marked 25 meters with a summary table expressed in minutes; 25 meters is 82 feet, not 75 feet. If the squares are true 1/4 inch, then it's a 25 yard target despite the title. If the squares are (1/4)(3.28/3)=0.273 inches, then it's a 25 meter target. Does that matter? The answer depends on the shooters expectation of precision and the rifle. A bench rest competitor expescts better, the guy with an off the rack rifle for casual shooting and hunting probably doesn't care and doesn't know the difference, he's looking for the cluster of bullets to strike very close to the point of aim and make one large hole. One inch at 100 yards is called "the rifleman's minute". That's close enough for human eyes that can't resolve 0.05 inches at 100 yards. 1 minute at 100 yards is 1.05 inches. One of the zeroing targets I make:  The color allows me to see .22 caliber bullet holes at 300 yards and has good contrast for aiming. The layout is in PowerPoint. The grid is not exact increments, but it's too close to care. |
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Originally Posted By AeroE: Check your math. Originally Posted By AeroE: Mixing meters and minutes is one of the dumber practices in target shooting. Does that matter? The answer depends on the shooters expectation of precision and the rifle. I totally agree with you in relation to actual precision rifle shooting and tools capable of that precision. I should have stated my question fell into the realm of the typical initial sight in on short range using a carbine and "rifleman's minute" or "good enough for Govt work" (where target in OP originated) was the end goal. |
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Make your own here - zero for whatever - print it out, done. Use the advanced tab for customization for velocity, optic height, etc. Free zero targets |
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| I bought a CD ROM from Dillon years ago that is called: "Click and Shoot". Has so many targets. They can be printed on typing/card stock paper that saves money. Except ink cartridge money. They have ar15/M16 sight in targets, clowns, squirrels,crows, marmots, etc. Fun targets. Very many targets for 22 LR and air rifle. Like 100 flies on a sheet of paper. The CD paid for itself very soon using typing paper. |
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Originally Posted By AeroE: Mixing meters and minutes is one of the dumber practices in target shooting. Especially on scopes with minute dials and mil reticles. The problem with this target is that it is marked 25 meters with a summary table expressed in minutes; 25 meters is 82 feet, not 75 feet. If the squares are true 1/4 inch, then it's a 25 yard target despite the title. If the squares are (1/4)(3.28/3)=0.273 inches, then it's a 25 meter target. Does that matter? The answer depends on the shooters expectation of precision and the rifle. A bench rest competitor expescts better, the guy with an off the rack rifle for casual shooting and hunting probably doesn't care and doesn't know the difference, he's looking for the cluster of bullets to strike very close to the point of aim and make one large hole. One inch at 100 yards is called "the rifleman's minute". That's close enough for human eyes that can't resolve 0.05 inches at 100 yards. 1 minute at 100 yards is 1.05 inches. One of the zeroing targets I make: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/348/36202.JPG The color allows me to see .22 caliber bullet holes at 300 yards and has good contrast for aiming. The layout is in PowerPoint. The grid is not exact increments, but it's too close to care. It's 25m because that's the US Army pre-zeroing distance and the sight increments are in MOA because that's the amount of movement per click of each type of sight listed |
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