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Quoted: Ordered my Sierra 5 Xeno but I have a question. When it comes to mount platforms which system actually adds the least amount of length to the host Xeno or Keymo? Was also wondering about direct thread. Is that going to change the performance vs running one of the mount options! View Quote Xeno |
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Also curious about best option for performance, direct or with the other options.
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Anyone have a Sierra 5 with a YHM Kurz mount and mini brake? Thinking that would be a nice compact setup
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Quoted: Anyone have a Sierra 5 with a YHM Kurz mount and mini brake? Thinking that would be a nice compact setup View Quote Gotta ask, are you worried about how it looks off the weapon or something? The Kurz system may be short-ish as it sits on your workbench, but by the time you choose one of the two mounts that are available, you end up with possibly a longer (or probably just the same) stack length as the Xeno system. Plus a bump in weight and reduced precision on the return-to-zero. |
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Quoted: Also curious about best option for performance, direct or with the other options. View Quote There's not enough performance differences between the configurations to worry about. Worry instead on what your needs are. Do you need to quickly take this on and off? Is length a priority? Is it going on a DMR type rifle? |
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Thanks for posting the link to TFB article. It says the can is more like a K/short, but I don't think it's advertised that way. Any clarity on that?
I'm making myself crazy right now trying to pick a dedicated 556 and very interested in the Sierra 5, Reece5, and RC2, for what it's worth. |
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Quoted: Thanks for posting the link to TFB article. It says the can is more like a K/short, but I don't think it's advertised that way. Any clarity on that? I'm making myself crazy right now trying to pick a dedicated 556 and very interested in the Sierra 5, Reece5, and RC2, for what it's worth. View Quote I don't think there is a universal definition of what constitutes a "K" can, but personally, anything under ~5.5" is a K can to me. At 5.72" with Xeno adapter, it's right on the edge. But at 4.87" with no adapter installed, it certainly meets my definition of a K can. Using a direct thread adapter or something shorter than the Xeno (Plan A, Plan B, YHM Kurz, etc.) it would be well under 5.5". |
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I won’t put words in Todd’s mouth, but I’m guessing that the law of diminishing returns applies here. Maybe every inch over the 4.75” reduced the sound signature by .75 dBs. And every half inch under 4.75” added 2 dBs. The result was the sweet spot between length and noise reduction.
It is strangely quiet for its length. Maybe my expectations were low because all 5.56 cans are “loud”. |
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Quoted: Thanks for posting the link to TFB article. It says the can is more like a K/short, but I don't think it's advertised that way. Any clarity on that? I'm making myself crazy right now trying to pick a dedicated 556 and very interested in the Sierra 5, Reece5, and RC2, for what it's worth. View Quote Depends what barrel length you're running it on. I'd go with a shorter one like the Sierra5 if you're using it on 14.5 or longer. I currently have a RC2 on a 10.3 and I just order the sierra5 for my 14.5. |
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Quoted: Some comparison pics The third sierra has the ecco griffen adapter. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/72956/PXL_20220613_203115147-2417115.jpg Explorr, recce5, turboK, mg7 https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/72956/PXL_20220613_203058971-2417117.jpg View Quote In that group photo, they’re all flushed up at the muzzle? |
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Quoted: Depends what barrel length you're running it on. I'd go with a shorter one like the Sierra5 if you're using it on 14.5 or longer. I currently have a RC2 on a 10.3 and I just order the sierra5 for my 14.5. View Quote Thanks - I should have clarified, I'm running an 11.5 Geissele pistol (may Form 1 later, or not). Looking for decent balance and weight, but also minimizing sound to the extent possible. |
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Quoted: Great physical comparison. Unless any really suck at suppression, that’s a smorgasbord of nice choices. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: In that group photo, they’re all flushed up at the muzzle? Roughly yes Great physical comparison. Unless any really suck at suppression, that’s a smorgasbord of nice choices. Absolutely |
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Quoted: Some comparison pics The third sierra has the ecco griffen adapter. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/72956/PXL_20220613_203115147-2417115.jpg Explorr, recce5, turboK, mg7 https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/72956/PXL_20220613_203058971-2417117.jpg View Quote I still want a Rex Silentium so bad |
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@esstac-
Do you know if the Sierra 5 with a standard Plan A would work with any of the Plan A taper mounts? |
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Quoted: @esstac- Do you know if the Sierra 5 with a standard Plan A would work with any of the Plan A taper mounts? View Quote Pretty sure I checked that today and it was a nogo but I will confirm tomorrow. I could be mistaken. The ecco mount is just* barely not long enough for any of the flash comps but the plan a xl will work for those. The regular plan a will work with a minimalist comp for sure. We ran a hammer comp and ecco with it this evening and it did fine. |
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Quoted: Great physical comparison. Unless any really suck at suppression, that’s a smorgasbord of nice choices. View Quote Subjective but! We shot the sierra5 with ecco adapter side by side this evening with the recce5 and explorr 224. Recce5 to me had the least backpressure and the sierra the worst. But it was minimal between them. My eyes watered a bit on the sierra5 but not the others but it was not much gas. Sound wise they were all close but I would give the edge again to the recce. Had the best tone with the explorr really close and the sierra seemed a bit sharper. Shot the three on a 16" larue predatar and a 11.5DD m16. Both guns gassed for the recce5. None of these cans are a bad option! |
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Rex is king of "suppress more rifles, screw QD bullshit" Quoted: I've been dying for a flash suppression under nods vid, esp one comparing sierra5, rc2, and mini2; isn't any chance y'all could make that happen is there? We brought in a stupid specced 14 and camera set-up for doing this but time hasn't been friendly for us yet ... And the next month or so is wrecked but hoping. |
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Quoted: Subjective but! We shot the sierra5 with ecco adapter side by side this evening with the recce5 and explorr 224. Recce5 to me had the least backpressure and the sierra the worst. But it was minimal between them. My eyes watered a bit on the sierra5 but not the others but it was not much gas. Sound wise they were all close but I would give the edge again to the recce. Had the best tone with the explorr really close and the sierra seemed a bit sharper. Shot the three on a 16" larue predatar and a 11.5DD m16. Both guns gassed for the recce5. None of these cans are a bad option! View Quote The S5 seems to be right in the middle weight wise. That Recce5 is on the heavy end of the spectrum (relatively speaking, with these suppressors). |
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Was heading to my LGS to get a Sandman-K for my 13.7....saw they just got a few Sierra-5 in....Yesterday apparently.
Snagged one since the size difference isn't much and the sound performance will be better. Plus I don't have to spend $70 on a 5.56 flash hider end cap like I would need to for the Sandman-K. $750 for the Sandman-K vs $790 for the Sierra-5 keymo. Choice was easy. Now the wait begins. Attached File |
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Quoted: Was heading to my LGS to get a Sandman-K for my 13.7....saw they just got a few Sierra-5 in....Yesterday apparently. Snagged one since the size difference isn't much and the sound performance will be better. Plus I don't have to spend $70 on a 5.56 flash hider end cap like I would need to for the Sandman-K. $750 for the Sandman-K vs $790 for the Sierra-5 keymo. Choice was easy. Now the wait begins. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/241023/20220614_101816_jpg-2417859.JPG View Quote You did good. I chose the keymo Sierra as well, primarily because the cost of the included keymo being $90, vs what they retail for. I can use it on other things. Am in process of picking up some Xeno mounts/FHs over time for other stuff, so i can always adapt this Sierra, and have that keymo for other things if I want. |
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Quoted: Pretty sure I checked that today and it was a nogo but I will confirm tomorrow. I could be mistaken. The ecco mount is just* barely not long enough for any of the flash comps but the plan a xl will work for those. The regular plan a will work with a minimalist comp for sure. We ran a hammer comp and ecco with it this evening and it did fine. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: @esstac- Do you know if the Sierra 5 with a standard Plan A would work with any of the Plan A taper mounts? Pretty sure I checked that today and it was a nogo but I will confirm tomorrow. I could be mistaken. The ecco mount is just* barely not long enough for any of the flash comps but the plan a xl will work for those. The regular plan a will work with a minimalist comp for sure. We ran a hammer comp and ecco with it this evening and it did fine. Unless they put the blast baffle stupid close to the rear, the standard Plan A should work with the EZ-brake, the minimalist brake and the minimalist FH. Anything longer should require the Plan A XL or the Ecco adapter. |
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Quoted: Plan A engaging taper and cans first baffle touching the hammer comp. Nogo https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/72956/PXL_20220614_193753361-2418159.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/72956/PXL_20220614_193824222-2418160.jpg Roughly 1.66" from baffle to end of can without any adapters View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: @esstac- Do you know if the Sierra 5 with a standard Plan A would work with any of the Plan A taper mounts? Pretty sure I checked that today and it was a nogo but I will confirm tomorrow. I could be mistaken. The ecco mount is just* barely not long enough for any of the flash comps but the plan a xl will work for those. The regular plan a will work with a minimalist comp for sure. We ran a hammer comp and ecco with it this evening and it did fine. Unless they put the blast baffle stupid close to the rear, the standard Plan A should work with the EZ-brake, the minimalist brake and the minimalist FH. Anything longer should require the Plan A XL or the Ecco adapter. Plan A engaging taper and cans first baffle touching the hammer comp. Nogo https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/72956/PXL_20220614_193753361-2418159.jpg https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/72956/PXL_20220614_193824222-2418160.jpg Roughly 1.66" from baffle to end of can without any adapters So the minimalist devices and the EZ brake should work. Using a hammer comp, I had to get one of Ecco's Griffin adapters (Plan A XL's were OOS for months) in order to avoid hitting the blast baffle on a .30 Rex MG-X |
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Quoted: So the minimalist devices and the EZ brake should work. Using a hammer comp, I had to get one of Ecco's Griffin adapters (Plan A XL's were OOS for months) in order to avoid hitting the blast baffle on a .30 Rex MG-X View Quote Pretty much the same as the Rex cans. The rex has .1" more room from ass end to first baffle. |
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Alabama Arsenal teaser vid.......
https://youtu.be/cCMOxNDUXoA |
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Quoted: We brought in a stupid specced 14 and camera set-up for doing this but time hasn't been friendly for us yet ... And the next month or so is wrecked but hoping. View Quote Big ups esstac for all the information provided in the thread so far. I can't tell you how eager I am for the night comparison. If you could include an angle from downrange that would be appreciated but entirely understandable if you don't want to risk it. Were you planning to take unaided video as well or just through nv? It would be nice to have unaided as well but I'd much prefer to see more cans from more angles under nv since of course time and ammo are limited. As always the more cans you can include in the same video the better since they're under the same conditions (host, ammo, ambient light, etc) for the best comparison. Some I'd like to see aside from the Sierra 5 are in order of preference: RC2, Mini2, ARX, Griffin Recce5Mod4, OSS/Huxwrx HX-QD 5.56/K, SiCo Saker 5.56/K, 36M (short+long), Sig SLX/C-QD, TBAC Dominus/K, Rex MG7 (maybe your MG3), Turbo T2/K2, AEM5, OCL OCM5, DA Nomad, Wolfman (short+long), Explorr. With flash hider caps where applicable, additional comparison with a flat cap would also be valuable IMO to see how much of a difference there is. I don't even know if you carry all these but hey if you won't be able to do the comparison for a bit maybe you could get them in the meantime. |
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Quoted: Big ups esstac for all the information provided in the thread so far. I can't tell you how eager I am for the night comparison. If you could include an angle from downrange that would be appreciated but entirely understandable if you don't want to risk it. Were you planning to take unaided video as well or just through nv? It would be nice to have unaided as well but I'd much prefer to see more cans from more angles under nv since of course time and ammo are limited. As always the more cans you can include in the same video the better since they're under the same conditions (host, ammo, ambient light, etc) for the best comparison. Some I'd like to see aside from the Sierra 5 are in order of preference: RC2, Mini2, ARX, Griffin Recce5Mod4, OSS/Huxwrx HX-QD 5.56/K, SiCo Saker 5.56/K, 36M (short+long), Sig SLX/C-QD, TBAC Dominus/K, Rex MG7 (maybe your MG3), Turbo T2/K2, AEM5, OCL OCM5, DA Nomad, Wolfman (short+long), Explorr. With flash hider caps where applicable, additional comparison with a flat cap would also be valuable IMO to see how much of a difference there is. I don't even know if you carry all these but hey if you won't be able to do the comparison for a bit maybe you could get them in the meantime. View Quote Sounds like a full time job |
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Quoted: Big ups esstac for all the information provided in the thread so far. I can't tell you how eager I am for the night comparison. If you could include an angle from downrange that would be appreciated but entirely understandable if you don't want to risk it. Were you planning to take unaided video as well or just through nv? It would be nice to have unaided as well but I'd much prefer to see more cans from more angles under nv since of course time and ammo are limited. As always the more cans you can include in the same video the better since they're under the same conditions (host, ammo, ambient light, etc) for the best comparison. Some I'd like to see aside from the Sierra 5 are in order of preference: RC2, Mini2, ARX, Griffin Recce5Mod4, OSS/Huxwrx HX-QD 5.56/K, SiCo Saker 5.56/K, 36M (short+long), Sig SLX/C-QD, TBAC Dominus/K, Rex MG7 (maybe your MG3), Turbo T2/K2, AEM5, OCL OCM5, DA Nomad, Wolfman (short+long), Explorr. With flash hider caps where applicable, additional comparison with a flat cap would also be valuable IMO to see how much of a difference there is. I don't even know if you carry all these but hey if you won't be able to do the comparison for a bit maybe you could get them in the meantime. View Quote Anything else? |
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Quoted: Big ups esstac for all the information provided in the thread so far. I can't tell you how eager I am for the night comparison. If you could include an angle from downrange that would be appreciated but entirely understandable if you don't want to risk it. Were you planning to take unaided video as well or just through nv? It would be nice to have unaided as well but I'd much prefer to see more cans from more angles under nv since of course time and ammo are limited. As always the more cans you can include in the same video the better since they're under the same conditions (host, ammo, ambient light, etc) for the best comparison. Some I'd like to see aside from the Sierra 5 are in order of preference: RC2, Mini2, ARX, Griffin Recce5Mod4, OSS/Huxwrx HX-QD 5.56/K, SiCo Saker 5.56/K, 36M (short+long), Sig SLX/C-QD, TBAC Dominus/K, Rex MG7 (maybe your MG3), Turbo T2/K2, AEM5, OCL OCM5, DA Nomad, Wolfman (short+long), Explorr. With flash hider caps where applicable, additional comparison with a flat cap would also be valuable IMO to see how much of a difference there is. I don't even know if you carry all these but hey if you won't be able to do the comparison for a bit maybe you could get them in the meantime. View Quote Attached File Sir, this is a Wendy's..... |
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Quoted: Big ups esstac for all the information provided in the thread so far. I can't tell you how eager I am for the night comparison. If you could include an angle from downrange that would be appreciated but entirely understandable if you don't want to risk it. Were you planning to take unaided video as well or just through nv? It would be nice to have unaided as well but I'd much prefer to see more cans from more angles under nv since of course time and ammo are limited. As always the more cans you can include in the same video the better since they're under the same conditions (host, ammo, ambient light, etc) for the best comparison. Some I'd like to see aside from the Sierra 5 are in order of preference: RC2, Mini2, ARX, Griffin Recce5Mod4, OSS/Huxwrx HX-QD 5.56/K, SiCo Saker 5.56/K, 36M (short+long), Sig SLX/C-QD, TBAC Dominus/K, Rex MG7 (maybe your MG3), Turbo T2/K2, AEM5, OCL OCM5, DA Nomad, Wolfman (short+long), Explorr. With flash hider caps where applicable, additional comparison with a flat cap would also be valuable IMO to see how much of a difference there is. I don't even know if you carry all these but hey if you won't be able to do the comparison for a bit maybe you could get them in the meantime. View Quote |
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View Quote I love this place Maybe he’s at least donating the ammo |
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I'm well aware that if everything I suggested were to be done it would be a huge investment of time, money, etc and is not practical. That said seeing how rare these tests are I figured I'd throw out my near ideal test just to share some ideas and let him do with that what he will. The list of cans is long because it includes just about every can I am personally curious about in regards to low/no light signature on a 5.56. I figured if enough people mentioned interest in certain cans esstac might add them to the test. I'm just going for the approach of throwing everything at the wall and seeing if anything sticks. When he said "We brought in a stupid specced 14 and camera set-up for doing this" that at least implied to me there was deliberate effort being put into this vs something more casual. I wouldn't have bothered to suggest anything further otherwise.
Do any of you disagree with me and think that a test like I suggested would not be interesting? Do none of the cans I listed interest you aside from the aforementioned Sierra 5, RC2, and Mini2? I'm personally curious what everyone else's top contenders would be to put head to head in a low/no light signature test. TL;DR: I am excited about the potential for this testing and perhaps I got a bit overzealous with my suggestions. I am grateful for any testing that esstac or anyone else can provide. If I gave off any other impression that was not at all my intention. Obviously they have zero obligation to care about anything I suggest. |
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Quoted: I'm well aware that if everything I suggested were to be done it would be a huge investment of time, money, etc and is not practical. That said seeing how rare these tests are I figured I'd throw out my near ideal test just to share some ideas and let him do with that what he will. The list of cans is long because it includes just about every can I am personally curious about in regards to low/no light signature on a 5.56. I figured if enough people mentioned interest in certain cans esstac might add them to the test. I'm just going for the approach of throwing everything at the wall and seeing if anything sticks. When he said "We brought in a stupid specced 14 and camera set-up for doing this" that at least implied to me there was deliberate effort being put into this vs something more casual. I wouldn't have bothered to suggest anything further otherwise. Do any of you disagree with me and think that a test like I suggested would not be interesting? Do none of the cans I listed interest you aside from the aforementioned Sierra 5, RC2, and Mini2? I'm personally curious what everyone else's top contenders would be to put head to head in a low/no light signature test. TL;DR: I am excited about the potential for this testing and perhaps I got a bit overzealous with my suggestions. I am grateful for any testing that esstac or anyone else can provide. If I gave off any other impression that was not at all my intention. Obviously they have zero obligation to care about anything I suggest. View Quote Is that a “no, I’m not donating ammo” for this? I knew there’s no such thing as a good kat. |
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Quoted: I'm well aware that if everything I suggested were to be done it would be a huge investment of time, money, etc and is not practical. That said seeing how rare these tests are I figured I'd throw out my near ideal test just to share some ideas and let him do with that what he will. The list of cans is long because it includes just about every can I am personally curious about in regards to low/no light signature on a 5.56. I figured if enough people mentioned interest in certain cans esstac might add them to the test. I'm just going for the approach of throwing everything at the wall and seeing if anything sticks. When he said "We brought in a stupid specced 14 and camera set-up for doing this" that at least implied to me there was deliberate effort being put into this vs something more casual. I wouldn't have bothered to suggest anything further otherwise. Do any of you disagree with me and think that a test like I suggested would not be interesting? Do none of the cans I listed interest you aside from the aforementioned Sierra 5, RC2, and Mini2? I'm personally curious what everyone else's top contenders would be to put head to head in a low/no light signature test. TL;DR: I am excited about the potential for this testing and perhaps I got a bit overzealous with my suggestions. I am grateful for any testing that esstac or anyone else can provide. If I gave off any other impression that was not at all my intention. Obviously they have zero obligation to care about anything I suggest. View Quote it's just too much to throw out at one time man there's how it sounds in your head, and then there's how it sounds. chill |
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Quoted: TL;DR: I am excited about the potential for this testing and perhaps I got a bit overzealous with my suggestions. I am grateful for any testing that esstac or anyone else can provide. If I gave off any other impression that was not at all my intention. Obviously they have zero obligation to care about anything I suggest. View Quote We flash tested a couple of those yesterday. That took all day. It would take a lot longer to graphically arrange all the photos taken. Three rounds each pmc 55 grain bronze out of a 14.5” m4A1 barrel. We were indoor with zero light. The recce 5 m4sdII, m4sdk, and dual lok hrt have low first round flash, and are then invisible. The sierra 5/keymo had low flash on the first round, and slightly lower flash on subsequent rounds, pretty decent performance in the flash category. The surefire rc2 had lower first round flash than the other cans tested, but also had flash on every round. The sig slx556qd has a white flash about 1.5” diameter and maybe 10” long on the first round, and then drops off to very dull red pencil eraser flashes shorter than the rc2, visible at 90 degrees. That first round was bright- behind the gun it looked like white light. The Aem5 had a 6” long orange flash on the first round that drops to nothing afterward. We were firing the 16” mod h spr. The dual lok cans have low to moderate first round flash followed by very low flash and then the third round is invisible. The dual lok psr’s are a bit better and have no flash on the second round. We tested an explorr .224 universal with dual lok mount on a 2.25” flash suppressor. The unit had first round flash about 2” long, followed by zero flash. Behind the gun I saw no atmospheric light for three rounds, but the camera at 90 degrees doing extended aperture work picked up light on the first round. As far as first round flash from best to worst: FA762SS (no flash [zero flash] m118lr on 25” m40a5) Dual lok psr (m118lr on 25” m40a5) Dual lok hrt Surefire rc2 Recce 5, m4sd2, m4sdk Sierra 5 Dual lok psr 556 Explorr .224/ with dual lok mount Dual lok 556 Aem5 Sig SLX556QD In terms of flash after the first round, from best to worst: FA762SS (winner by not having first round flash) Recce 5, dual lok hrt, m4sd II, m4sdk, Dual lok psr 762 and 556, Explorr.224, AEM5 all the above had no second round flash Surefire rc2(minimal flash on every round never stops) Dual lok 556(flash on third round is gone) Sig SLX 556QD (im putting this here because at 90 degrees we are missing 1.15” of depth of the front cap and all the flash happening in there, although visible flash at 90 degrees is present, dull red, and smaller than the rc2). Sierra 5 (there was visible light emitted on each round, and for some reason it was slightly illuminating the environment, even though the appearance at the front cap was relatively nominal from 90 degrees). |
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Quoted: We flash tested a couple of those yesterday. That took all day. It would take a lot longer to graphically arrange all the photos taken. Three rounds each pmc 55 grain bronze out of a 14.5” m4A1 barrel. We were indoor with zero light. The recce 5 m4sdII, m4sdk, and dual lok hrt have low first round flash, and are then invisible. The sierra 5/keymo had low flash on the first round, and slightly lower flash on subsequent rounds, pretty decent performance in the flash category. The surefire rc2 had lower first round flash than the other cans tested, but also had flash on every round. The sig slx556qd has a white flash about 1.5” diameter and maybe 10” long on the first round, and then drops off to very dull red pencil eraser flashes shorter than the rc2, visible at 90 degrees. That first round was bright- behind the gun it looked like white light. The Aem5 had a 6” long orange flash on the first round that drops to nothing afterward. We were firing the 16” mod h spr. The dual lok cans have low to moderate first round flash followed by very low flash and then the third round is invisible. The dual lok psr’s are a bit better and have no flash on the second round. We tested an explorr .224 universal with dual lok mount on a 2.25” flash suppressor. The unit had first round flash about 2” long, followed by zero flash. Behind the gun I saw no atmospheric light for three rounds, but the camera at 90 degrees doing extended aperture work picked up light on the first round. As far as first round flash from best to worst: FA762SS (no flash [zero flash] m118lr on 25” m40a5) Dual lok psr (m118lr on 25” m40a5) Dual lok hrt Surefire rc2 Recce 5, m4sd2, m4sdk Sierra 5 Dual lok psr 556 Explorr .224/ with dual lok mount Dual lok 556 Aem5 Sig SLX556QD In terms of flash after the first round, from best to worst: FA762SS (winner by not having first round flash) Recce 5, dual lok hrt, m4sd II, m4sdk, Dual lok psr 762 and 556, Explorr.224, AEM5 all the above had no second round flash Surefire rc2(minimal flash on every round never stops) Dual lok 556(flash on third round is gone) Sig SLX 556QD (im putting this here because at 90 degrees we are missing 1.15” of depth of the front cap and all the flash happening in there, although visible flash at 90 degrees is present, dull red, and smaller than the rc2). Sierra 5 (there was visible light emitted on each round, and for some reason it was slightly illuminating the environment, even though the appearance at the front cap was relatively nominal from 90 degrees). View Quote did y'all get any video of the shooting? |
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Quoted: did y'all get any video of the shooting? View Quote The human eye sees at 1000hz according to some sources, but youtube only supports 60hz. On account of that, I figured video couldn’t adequately display flash, unless in slow motion which itself would also distort perception of reality, and opted for 3 second aperture exposure photos at 1000 iso. I do believe some flash events happen very fast. We may video something at some point, and might find the results to be different than the hypothesis. These looked very similar to what we were seeing, but Im not going to say this is the best way to test. I did notice a few fliers, for instance I saw zero light shooting the Explorr.224, 3 times, but the camera picked up a first round flash, so my grading system went with the camera in the grading, and the camera flash on first round had a big impact on where it fell. I may not have seen the flash because I was behind the gun, but that wasn’t really effecting me on most other cans. The sierra was creating light flickers in the ambient environment on all three rounds, which was noticeably different, and the camera at 90 degrees improved its grading. The picture carried more weight than the observations. The surefire fa762 was the only other can for which I saw zero first round flash, and the camera at 90 also saw zero flash. Truth about guns used a light meter, and that seemed to work great. In the past Robert Silvers claimed to be able to measure all the pixels of light in a photograph with a software I think. These methods are probably both superior to what I was using. |
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I have a question for @mageever
How much total length is added to the barrel with the keymo vs the xeno sierra 5? I know the keymo version is longer when off the rifle, but I’m curious how different the overall length is with both mounting systems. |
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Quoted: I have a question for @mageever How much total length is added to the barrel with the keymo vs the xeno sierra 5? I know the keymo version is longer when off the rifle, but I’m curious how different the overall length is with both mounting systems. View Quote Before GreenO gets in here to try and answer this one too... It depends on where you're measuring from. From the muzzle face (no muzzle device on the barrel) Xeno: 5.36" KeyMo: 5.81" Direct Thread: 4.76" From the end of the muzzle device: Xeno with DA121 A1 style FH: 3.82" KeyMo: 3.74" I'm hoping everyone likes how short and how effective it is at sound and flash reduction for what it is. |
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Confirmed today that mine and my dealers Sierra 5 are on backorder from silencer shop, they didn't have them in stock when we ordered.
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Quoted: Before GreenO gets in here to try and answer this one too... It depends on where you're measuring from. From the muzzle face (no muzzle device on the barrel) Xeno: 5.36" KeyMo: 5.81" Direct Thread: 4.76" From the end of the muzzle device: Xeno with DA121 A1 style FH: 3.82" KeyMo: 3.74" I'm hoping everyone likes how short this and how effective it is at sound and flash reduction for what it is. View Quote Thanks! Exactly what I wanted to know! |
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