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Posted: 1/30/2022 10:25:42 PM EDT
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Here is some ideas for you that I just completed on my SP5.
I went with the MI rail because of the sleek design, quick and easy mounting. Also, I hadn't really read anything bad about it. Personal preference for the pad mounting, but for me I found it to be most comfortable to activate on right side of the rail.  Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 1/31/2022 12:44:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Here is some ideas for you that I just completed on my SP5. I went with the MI rail because of the sleek design, quick and easy mounting. Also, I hadn't really read anything bad about it. Personal preference for the pad mounting, but for me I found it to be most comfortable to activate on right side of the rail. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/78485/AE35957A-36E8-47ED-933D-B63AD7055E6B_jpe-2260832.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/78485/51030CE7-1074-47BB-BB6F-C7E952179AC0_jpe-2260835.JPG Where did you get that rubber band? |
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Posted: 1/31/2022 12:45:29 AM EDT
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This is where the MP5 really shows its age. Yes, you can mount just about whatever you want on it, but the ergonomics are going to be a bit of a struggle. On the left-hand side you need to have enough clearance to work the charging handle, which you'll be using a lot (because MP5).
Mine is setup with a Knights handguard and Cloud Defensive light at 10 via a Haley mount. I use the tailcap to activate and keep the remote switch at 3 in case I'm shooting off-hand. It's not ideal but it works. Can grab pictures if helpful, just let me know. |
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Posted: 1/31/2022 1:07:17 AM EDT
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Steiner LDITL if you can locate one. They often sell at auction same day but if you're in the hunt luck will smile upon you.
The incandescent model can be converted to LED. Just buy any version you come upon. |
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Posted: 1/31/2022 2:29:09 AM EDT
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Check out the cadex rail.
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Posted: 1/31/2022 5:58:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Here is some ideas for you that I just completed on my SP5. I went with the MI rail because of the sleek design, quick and easy mounting. Also, I hadn't really read anything bad about it. Personal preference for the pad mounting, but for me I found it to be most comfortable to activate on right side of the rail. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/78485/AE35957A-36E8-47ED-933D-B63AD7055E6B_jpe-2260832.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/78485/51030CE7-1074-47BB-BB6F-C7E952179AC0_jpe-2260835.JPG Mine is very similar to this. I have a TLR-1 on an M-LOK hand guard. Pressure pad is on the left. Works great! |
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Posted: 1/31/2022 7:04:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Where did you get that rubber band? A buddy gave it to me but they are Ranger Bands from Gearward |
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Posted: 1/31/2022 1:28:31 PM EDT
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I use a Dakota forend and a surefire mini scout at 1:00, with a unity tactical hot button and BCM mini grip. Works perfect.
Hot button is at 9:00 just behind the charging handle and doesn't interfere with it at all. I went this route after my early LDI/steiner forend got funky with button issues |
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Posted: 1/31/2022 3:42:56 PM EDT
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Andrewc_c, which light, pad, and mounts are you using. Looks good.
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Posted: 1/31/2022 3:43:29 PM EDT
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135Patriots, pics would be great! Thanks!
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Posted: 1/31/2022 3:46:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I use a Dakota forend and a surefire mini scout at 1:00, with a unity tactical hot button and BCM mini grip. Works perfect. Hot button is at 9:00 just behind the charging handle and doesn't interfere with it at all. I went this route after my early LDI/steiner forend got funky with button issues Could you please post pics? |
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Posted: 1/31/2022 5:16:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 135Patriots, pics would be great! Thanks!   |
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Posted: 1/31/2022 6:36:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Andrewc_c, which light, pad, and mounts are you using. Looks good. Thank you. Light: Modlite PLHv2 18350 body w/ Surefire KE2-DF head. Pad: Surefire ST07 pad with a Magpuls m-lok mount Light mount: Arisaka inline m-lok mount |
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Posted: 1/31/2022 7:15:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I use a Dakota forend and a surefire mini scout at 1:00, with a unity tactical hot button and BCM mini grip. Works perfect. Hot button is at 9:00 just behind the charging handle and doesn't interfere with it at all. I went this route after my early LDI/steiner forend got funky with button issues Could you please post pics? |
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Posted: 1/31/2022 7:16:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryThat's perfect. I like how far forward you are able to get the light. I will be running 100% suppressed as well. Thanks! |
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Posted: 1/31/2022 7:17:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Thank you. Light: Modlite PLHv2 18350 body w/ Surefire KE2-DF head. Pad: Surefire ST07 pad with a Magpuls m-lok mount Light mount: Arisaka inline m-lok mount Thanks! |
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Posted: 1/31/2022 7:25:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Where did you get that rubber band? go to the store, buy a bicycle inner tube, and cut it to whatever sizes you want. Will last forever and you will end up with hundreds of "ranger" bands |
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Posted: 1/31/2022 7:37:11 PM EDT
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Or buy a bag of mixed sizes for $10 from Amazon.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07FM7MBGZ/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1 |
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Posted: 1/31/2022 7:50:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Or buy a bag of mixed sizes for $10 from Amazon. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07FM7MBGZ/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1 That works also. Inner tube is cheaper option and will make hundreds of bands was my take on it. |
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Posted: 1/31/2022 8:13:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That works also. Inner tube is cheaper option and will make hundreds of bands was my take on it. 100% |
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Posted: 2/1/2022 3:14:02 AM EDT
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I looked hard at the MI handguard for my PTR 9KT but purchased a German HK forend with VFG, instead.
Kinda having second thoughts, now. |
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Posted: 2/1/2022 11:42:59 AM EDT
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My personal setup:
MI rail is rock solid with no issues. A bit lighter with no excess 1913 rails like traditional rails. I used the cantilever Magpul Scout light mount and it works really well. I did not have the desire to "upgrade" to a nicer one because, well, it works just fine. It fits in the 1 O'Clock position and I modified my Streamlight Protac 1 switch to fit into the 9 O'Clock position. The Protac 1 is definitely not the best light out there, but it works for interiors. So for the switch, I gently drilled a larger diameter hole in the existing holes. You'll lose the waterproofing here unless you re-seal with silicone. But I opened the holes to use the M-Lok hardware to mount directly to the rail. No excess attachments. The beauty of it is that you can remove one mounting screw and it all comes off as a unit. |
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Posted: 2/1/2022 12:52:09 PM EDT
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KAC RAS, Modlight and mod buton
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Posted: 2/1/2022 2:50:53 PM EDT
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I'm pretty sure I've had or done every setup imaginable for this platform. M-Lok with lights, picatinny with lights... Etc. And I actually still do the Cadex tri-rail with modlight/modbutton on one of mine.
But I always come back to simplicity. And that would be the Surefire lighted handguard. Cons = price, limited suppressor usage and flood (I'm not a huge fan of Surefire lights with all the flood but...) 328LMF-B 500 Lumen or 628LMF-B 1000 lumen. I have 2 of these currently on my guns  Attached FileCadex and KAC MP5 RAS  Attached File Attached File Attached FileYou can also rummage through these threads for ideas: Here and Here |
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Posted: 2/1/2022 2:56:58 PM EDT
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to me it's already heavy for a pistol, so use the surefire light built into the handguard to keep weight down, add a red dot for modern
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Posted: 2/1/2022 9:47:46 PM EDT
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Thanks for all of the great info. Much appreciated.
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Posted: 2/2/2022 1:34:09 AM EDT
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My favorite (and with ability to use a suppressor) is the MI handguard and a tape switch. I ran mine through the handguard so no cords showing. It turned out great! I do love the classic surefire and newer one as well, but you can’t run a 3 lug can with that setup.
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Posted: 2/2/2022 11:18:43 AM EDT
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The MI would be good as their MLOK layout lets you do a lot. The Magpul has some options, but not as much. Some people have gotten creative with those with good results.
The B&T lighted foreend is ok, and will clear cans. You can put rails on the sides, which I tried. The idea was that it would be a location for an IR light/laser to go with the white light. However, the B&T foreend feels too narrow for me, which may be good for others. I also decided to integrate IR and visible light and still have an IR laser so I ultimately went with a KAC RAS and will put a VLR2 on it. The KAC lets you use whatever VFG/AFG you want while the B&T really won’t.  
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Posted: 2/7/2022 4:37:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryI've tried a bunch of stuff and this is also what I've currently settled on. I'd love to be able to put the switch up on top of the cocking tube somehow. |
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Posted: 2/7/2022 8:58:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I've tried a bunch of stuff and this is also what I've currently settled on. I'd love to be able to put the switch up on top of the cocking tube somehow. Quote HistoryQuoted: I've tried a bunch of stuff and this is also what I've currently settled on. I'd love to be able to put the switch up on top of the cocking tube somehow. Well, you could if you were wiling to slum it with a MI optic mount. https://www.midwestindustriesinc.com/product-p/mi-mp5tr.htm |
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Posted: 2/8/2022 1:07:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I've tried a bunch of stuff and this is also what I've currently settled on. I'd love to be able to put the switch up on top of the cocking tube somehow. Quote HistoryQuoted: I've tried a bunch of stuff and this is also what I've currently settled on. I'd love to be able to put the switch up on top of the cocking tube somehow. You can... Instagram #turquoise_paintpen Check it out |
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Posted: 2/8/2022 1:41:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I've tried a bunch of stuff and this is also what I've currently settled on. I'd love to be able to put the switch up on top of the cocking tube somehow. velcro |
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Posted: 2/8/2022 3:01:02 PM EDT
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After 30ish years, the Surefire handguard is still the best design
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Posted: 2/8/2022 7:54:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: After 30ish years, the Surefire handguard is still the best design This (minus not being able to use a 3 lug suppressor) |
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Posted: 2/8/2022 9:46:52 PM EDT
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RAS, RAS mount, T-2 on a absolute scalar works, surefire m300 on a Arisaka offset, with a Cloud Defense LCS.
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Posted: 2/9/2022 9:23:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This (minus not being able to use a 3 lug suppressor) Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: After 30ish years, the Surefire handguard is still the best design This (minus not being able to use a 3 lug suppressor) This is true unfortunately. OP you could also look at the B&T TL99 handguard. Should clear most suppressors. |
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Posted: 2/10/2022 12:56:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This (minus not being able to use a 3 lug suppressor) Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: After 30ish years, the Surefire handguard is still the best design This (minus not being able to use a 3 lug suppressor) Someone needs to make an updated version that takes lower profile lights. Any patents should be long expired |
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Posted: 2/10/2022 11:12:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Someone needs to make an updated version that takes lower profile lights. Any patents should be long expired I briefly considered getting one of the SF lights a few months ago, and started trying to hunt down one of the SF offset light adapters that would allow mounting a can. Those things are stupid expensive if you can find one. I did go the B&T route, but I found I didn't really like how narrow the profile was, so now it sits in my MP5 parts box. |
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Posted: 2/11/2022 4:27:06 AM EDT
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Posted: 2/11/2022 5:47:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The MI would be good as their MLOK layout lets you do a lot. The Magpul has some options, but not as much. Some people have gotten creative with those with good results. The B&T lighted foreend is ok, and will clear cans. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/18486/1DB0498F-B8E9-4BA8-BC4A-6907E7609D34-2157236.jpg What exactly are you holding onto on the B&T foreend? The bulge that is the light shaft? Not enough room to hold onto the main foreend itself, no? |
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Posted: 2/11/2022 5:49:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: After 30ish years, the Surefire handguard is still the best design Hate the emblazoned “Surefire” lettering on the side in the later iteration though |
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Posted: 2/11/2022 4:05:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What exactly are you holding onto on the B&T foreend? The bulge that is the light shaft? Not enough room to hold onto the main foreend itself, no? With the way the switch is positioned your hand kind of creeps down towards the narrower part of the body where the light assembly is. There's not necessarily anything wrong with it, and it's certainly functional, it's just not comfortable for me. |
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Posted: 2/11/2022 4:09:37 PM EDT
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I also did the ras and light with mod button. It was okay but kind of awkward to activate the light. MI rail is best I think for modern setup. This is also running a magpul tape switch mount.
 
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Posted: 2/11/2022 6:36:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I also did the ras and light with mod button. It was okay but kind I’d awkward to activate the light. MI rail is best I think for modern setup. This is also running a magpul tape switch mount. https://i.imgur.com/0rcc8x9.jpg https://i.imgur.com/vkt8biJ.jpg Pretty similar to my setup but I also felt it was awkward to activate the light on the left so I moved mine to the right side of the rail. |
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Posted: 2/12/2022 1:23:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This (minus not being able to use a 3 lug suppressor) Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: After 30ish years, the Surefire handguard is still the best design This (minus not being able to use a 3 lug suppressor) So aside from the following:
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Posted: 2/13/2022 12:25:01 AM EDT
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A couple of months ago I found a Surefire 628 at my local gun store for $150. It was a "police take off". LED in awesome shape with just a little carbon on the light from very little shooting. I do not think the shop knew what it was worth.
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Posted: 2/13/2022 9:38:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryThese look great. Waiting on his new version. |
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Posted: 3/31/2022 4:44:00 PM EDT
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 Here’s a PTR 9CT with a couple of our parts. The trigger group makes the MP5 much faster in semi auto. The new grip angle and placement really helps the balance of the gun. The grip is .62” forward and .42” higher than the original. This moves a good bit of weight rearward, extends your length of pull, and lowers the bore axis over your firing hand. You can also drop mags with your index finger, without taking your hand off the grip, like AR. |
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Posted: 3/31/2022 8:12:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: https://photos.app.goo.gl/cYzCmmDcAJHHF9nM9 Here’s a PTR 9CT with a couple of our parts. The trigger group makes the MP5 much faster in semi auto. The new grip angle and placement really helps the balance of the gun. The grip is .62” forward and .42” higher than the original. This moves a good bit of weight rearward, extends your length of pull, and lowers the bore axis over your firing hand. You can also drop mags with your index finger, without taking your hand off the grip, like AR. Very interesting! |
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Posted: 4/2/2022 5:49:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: https://photos.app.goo.gl/cYzCmmDcAJHHF9nM9 Here’s a PTR 9CT with a couple of our parts. The trigger group makes the MP5 much faster in semi auto. The new grip angle and placement really helps the balance of the gun. The grip is .62” forward and .42” higher than the original. This moves a good bit of weight rearward, extends your length of pull, and lowers the bore axis over your firing hand. You can also drop mags with your index finger, without taking your hand off the grip, like AR. Photo isn't showing up. What trigger group? |
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