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Posted: 11/25/2022 3:30:53 PM EST
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A variety of mossberg shotguns are used by the military.
Recently the USMC converted many of their M500 and M500M models into M500A2 MEK shotguns.  These are my personal shotguns. Both contract overruns. The top is a M500M MILS like I used while I was in. The bottom a M500A2, which was then upgraded with the MEK kit. The Navy used M500 M500M models with a 17 inch barrel. The Other Site has better information on military procurement. Here is some of what is posted there. Info from user DMR. 3 Models of Mossbergs were adopted. Type I M590 with bayonet adaptor, heatshield, and sling. 20" Type II Sling only 17/18" M590/M500/500MLS Primary Issue Shotgun for DoD Type III With rifle sights and sling Original use was for guard duty, riot control, and combat. Now is used as a secondary weapon for less lethal or breaching. Only real modernization used by the military are pistol grips and better cleaning kits. Army: Mossberg 500 NSN 1005-01-295-1832, 18 1/2", brass bead sight with over pack pistol grip. Commanders use pistol grip or standard issue stock as required. Navy/USMC: Mossberg 590A1: NSN 1005-01-295-4482 17" barrel, issued with standard full stock Very small numbers of the 20" 590A1's appoximately 1,000 were issued mostly to SOF and MP units. Most 14" Mossbergs were issued under forign military sales. For example the Afghan Army and Police have alot of 14" Mossbergs. Appoximatly 30,000 Mossbergs are in service with DOD, 10,000 M-1014 Benellis and a smaller number of 870's. Most (but not all) 870s are being retired as they were bought a LONG time ago read before 1980's. Any remaining Winchester were to have been turned in for replacement with Mossbergs several years ago for at least the Army. |
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Posted: 11/25/2022 11:57:20 PM EST
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I've been issued both the 18" bead sighted one and the 20" GRS one.
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Posted: 11/26/2022 12:23:10 AM EST
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GRS?
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Posted: 11/26/2022 12:46:56 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: GRS? It's the receiver-mounted rear sight. |
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Posted: 11/26/2022 1:07:19 AM EST
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I don’t see it currently offered on the website, but back in the mid 90s we carried the 9 shot 590A1 with heat shield and ghost ring sights.
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Posted: 11/26/2022 9:36:57 AM EST
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I see a retro 590a1 with those sights and bayo lug
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Posted: 11/26/2022 9:57:17 PM EST
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It is possible to "roll your own" if you start with the right barrel and sight combo. I swapped for wood furniture and added the heat shield on my 590A1.
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Posted: 11/26/2022 10:13:25 PM EST
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Is the 590A1 Retro that same?
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Posted: 11/26/2022 10:16:59 PM EST
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Front sling swivel for the retrograde is on the mag tube cap, not behind the bayonet mount, where it should be.
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Posted: 11/27/2022 9:58:58 AM EST
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All the military ones will have synthetic stocks/grips and not wood. So the "retrograde" would not be a model used my the armed forces. It is just for the civilian market for people who want steel/wood guns.
Like the above poster, I made my own.  All the 590A1's are mechanically the same as the ones used by the military. The only differences are barrel length/mag capacity, sights, and stocks/grips. So with several different variations used over the years, you pretty much just pick what layout you want and buy/build that. |
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Posted: 11/30/2022 12:44:40 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It is possible to "roll your own" if you start with the right barrel and sight combo. I swapped for wood furniture and added the heat shield on my 590A1. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/129976/09B1A33F-23C2-4DDE-8629-DA2EA94EE444-2556875.jpg Ohh yeah. I might need to get another one just to make it look like yours. |
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Posted: 12/22/2022 5:07:21 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Front sling swivel for the retrograde is on the mag tube cap, not behind the bayonet mount, where it should be. You can unscrew the sling swivel stud from the mag cap and swap it to the bayonet lug... |
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Posted: 12/22/2022 5:42:00 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You can unscrew the sling swivel stud from the mag cap and swap it to the bayonet lug... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Front sling swivel for the retrograde is on the mag tube cap, not behind the bayonet mount, where it should be. You can unscrew the sling swivel stud from the mag cap and swap it to the bayonet lug... You are indeed correct. I learned this just the other day.  |
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Posted: 12/22/2022 6:02:42 PM EST
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Posted: 2/12/2023 11:48:35 AM EST
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Mossberg came out with a 410-590 now
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Posted: 2/12/2023 3:08:51 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don’t see it currently offered on the website, but back in the mid 90s we carried the 9 shot 590A1 with heat shield and ghost ring sights. What branch of service were you in? Sure it was the A1 with metal trigger guard and heavier barrel? |
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Posted: 2/12/2023 3:48:30 PM EST
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Marines.
Quite sure. |
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Posted: 2/25/2023 4:44:28 PM EST
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Quote HistoryI like that config. I have a Mossberg 590A1 tact. That one I have has slots in stock to store rounds. That bitch kicks the hell out of my shoulder. Anyway to migitage the kick?? Add: I have another buttstock for it. Just have never installed it. Became dis-interested in it. Only had it out one time. |
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Posted: 2/25/2023 11:00:18 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I like that config. I have a Mossberg 590A1 tact. That one I have has slots in stock to store rounds. That bitch kicks the hell out of my shoulder. Anyway to migitage the kick?? Add: I have another buttstock for it. Just have never installed it. Became dis-interested in it. Only had it out one time. Use less hot ammo. |
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Posted: 3/2/2023 11:57:37 PM EST
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Can anyone tell me if this is what the Army uses?? I was told that it's
a 590A1 but the gun is marked 590. I trashed the box years ago. It was already assembled @LGS when I bought it. The stock carries 4 extra slugs.  |
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Posted: 3/3/2023 12:07:02 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Can anyone tell me if this is what the Army uses?? I was told that it's a 590A1 but the gun is marked 590. I trashed the box years ago. It was already assembled @LGS when I bought it. The stock carries 4 extra slugs. https://i.imgur.com/xqHcLiZ.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted: Can anyone tell me if this is what the Army uses?? I was told that it's a 590A1 but the gun is marked 590. I trashed the box years ago. It was already assembled @LGS when I bought it. The stock carries 4 extra slugs. https://i.imgur.com/xqHcLiZ.jpg All the Mossbergs I saw and used while I was in were M500M MILS (Top pic) Lots of pictures show the Army using M500As. Now, many Mossbergs have been converted to M500A2 MEK (Bottom pic) Here is some info from another forum from 2009. TC’ed and procured in the 1970s qualified under MIL-S-3443 thru rev E: Type I. With bayonet adaptor, heat shield and sling, (20" M-590) Type II. With sling only, (17/18 " 590A1/M-500/500MLS Primary Issue Shotgun for DoD) Type III. With rifle sights and sling Original 1970’s Procurement Objective: MIL-S-3443: 6.1 Intended use. The shotguns furnished to this specification are intended for military guard duty, riot control and combat. Modern Employment of the Shotgun: Shotguns are primaryly used as secondary weapons/tools for employment of less lethal or breaching munitions. Shotguns today are employing munitions not originally envisioned under MIL-S-3443 such has the M-1012, M-1013, and M-1030 Breaching Round. The addition of a pistol grip and improved cleaning kit are the only systemic modernizations in over 30+ years of service. Shotguns are in high demand in GWAT and are frequently modified by combatant commanders with commercial add-ons . Army: Mossberg 500 NSN 1005-01-295-1832, 18 1/2", brass bead sight with over pack pistol grip. Commanders use pistol grip or standard issue stock as required. Navy/USMC: Mossberg 590A1: NSN 1005-01-295-4482 17" barrel, issued with standard full stock Very small numbers of the 20" 590A1's appoximately 1,000 were issued mostly to SOF and MP units. Most 14" Mossbergs were issued under forign military sales. For example the Afghan Army and Police have alot of 14" Mossbergs. Appoximatly 30,000 Mossbergs are in service with DOD, 10,000 M-1014 Benellis and a smaller number of 870's. Most (but not all) 870s are being retired as they were bought a LONG time ago read before 1980's. Any remaining Winchester were to have been turned in for replacement with Mossbergs several years ago for at least the Army. There have been some recent official modernization efforts. |
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Posted: 3/3/2023 12:13:02 AM EST
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Navy still uses it, M500 is an 18.5" 590A1
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Posted: 3/3/2023 12:14:51 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Can anyone tell me if this is what the Army uses?? I was told that it's a 590A1 but the gun is marked 590. I trashed the box years ago. It was already assembled @LGS when I bought it. The stock carries 4 extra slugs. https://i.imgur.com/xqHcLiZ.jpg That's the old 20" 590 Not the same as a 590A1 |
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Posted: 3/3/2023 12:23:40 AM EST
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Mine has 590 marked on receiver and M500 butt pad and stock.
I was told I could not add heat shielding but don't remember why. I bought a new action that has pic rail on it from Mossberg back when I bought this gun and a new butt pad because it kicks the hell out of my shoulder. I became disinterested in it back then. I've had it out once. I don't remember the mag capacity of it. Guess I should unload and check. That Benelli I got is extremely similar (in looks) to this and I was told it don't kick like the Mossberg does so I'm gonna shoot both of them this weekend and find out. That Benelli is 7+1 and I was thinking this one was 8+1 for some reason. This one will handle up to 3" I believe and the Benelli will handle 3.5". I didn't know there was such a thing until last weekend when i read the owner's manual. Is that a bayonet lug on the Mossberg?? |
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Posted: 3/3/2023 12:26:31 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's the old 20" 590 Not the same as a 590A1 The Benelli has 18.5" and it looks the same length to me. I'll measure the Mossberg tomorrow. I've always thought it was 18". Add: I already secured it and don't want to get it out again tonight. |
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Posted: 3/3/2023 12:31:29 AM EST
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The 590A1 has a heavier barrel and metal trigger guard.
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Posted: 3/3/2023 9:34:01 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The 590A1 has a heavier barrel and metal trigger guard. It has a metal trigger guard. Can't speak to the barrel though. Looks like it's 8+1 mag tube. The Benelli is 7+1. I measured it and yep, it's 20" alright. Can I change the barrel to a 18.5"? Here are the two.  Is the Mossberg worthy of holding onto?? I need the space for what's worthy. I haven't fired the Benelli yet. I plan to shoot both this weekend. I need to lube the Mossberg and I've already what and where. Maybe I can YouTube it. |
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Posted: 3/3/2023 10:47:12 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I measured it and yep, it's 20" alright. Can I change the barrel to a 18.5"? There are two barrel patterns for the Mossberg, the 500 style and the 590 style. Each uses a different magazine tube. The 500 style mag tube is capped at the end and threaded so that the barrel has a threaded knob that attaches to the end of the mag tube. The 590 style goes over the mag tube, and then the mag tube has a cap that holds the barrel on.  The mag tube is locktited in place, but it just threads into the receiver. You can swap a M500A to a M590 style barrel or back by changing the mag tube. However if you go to a shorter barrel, you will need to switch to a short mag tube. Now on the 590 style tube, you could use a magazine extension on it to regain the lost capacity from going to the shorter tube.  Both the M500 and M590 style barrels have been ordered, used, and photographed in use by the military. I've not seen a capacity extension in use by the miltiary, but I'm sure someone somewhere is using one. |
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Posted: 3/3/2023 11:03:57 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It has a metal trigger guard. Can't speak to the barrel though. Looks like it's 8+1 mag tube. The Benelli is 7+1. I measured it and yep, it's 20" alright. Can I change the barrel to a 18.5"? Here are the two. https://i.imgur.com/zaBoZNM.jpg Is the Mossberg worthy of holding onto?? I need the space for what's worthy. I haven't fired the Benelli yet. I plan to shoot both this weekend. I need to lube the Mossberg and I've already what and where. Maybe I can YouTube it. One of those two guns has a huge aftermarket in the US & US military contracts, one doesn't. |
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Posted: 3/3/2023 12:26:38 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There are two barrel patterns for the Mossberg, the 500 style and the 590 style. Each uses a different magazine tube. The 500 style mag tube is capped at the end and threaded so that the barrel has a threaded knob that attaches to the end of the mag tube. The 590 style goes over the mag tube, and then the mag tube has a cap that holds the barrel on. https://savannaharsenal.files.wordpress.com/2014/12/600px-mossbergfrontcomparison.jpg The mag tube is locktited in place, but it just threads into the receiver. You can swap a M500A to a M590 style barrel or back by changing the mag tube. However if you go to a shorter barrel, you will need to switch to a short mag tube. Now on the 590 style tube, you could use a magazine extension on it to regain the lost capacity from going to the shorter tube. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/58648/2023-03-03-2732174.png Both the M500 and M590 style barrels have been ordered, used, and photographed in use by the military. I've not seen a capacity extension in use by the miltiary, but I'm sure someone somewhere is using one. Thanks, much appreciated. I don't see an extension on the mag tube? Does the longer barrel cause more setback; ie; kicks harder?? Add: Can I add a heat shield to the 20" barrel?? I remember wanting to do that back when I first acquired it but was told I couldn't do that. |
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Posted: 3/3/2023 12:27:26 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: One of those two guns has a huge aftermarket in the US & US military contracts, one doesn't. Which one has aftermarket?? Mossberg? |
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Posted: 3/3/2023 2:16:51 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There are two barrel patterns for the Mossberg, the 500 style and the 590 style. Each uses a different magazine tube. The 500 style mag tube is capped at the end and threaded so that the barrel has a threaded knob that attaches to the end of the mag tube. The 590 style goes over the mag tube, and then the mag tube has a cap that holds the barrel on. https://savannaharsenal.files.wordpress.com/2014/12/600px-mossbergfrontcomparison.jpg The mag tube is locktited in place, but it just threads into the receiver. You can swap a M500A to a M590 style barrel or back by changing the mag tube. However if you go to a shorter barrel, you will need to switch to a short mag tube. Now on the 590 style tube, you could use a magazine extension on it to regain the lost capacity from going to the shorter tube. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/58648/2023-03-03-2732174.png Both the M500 and M590 style barrels have been ordered, used, and photographed in use by the military. I've not seen a capacity extension in use by the miltiary, but I'm sure someone somewhere is using one. I think the biggest problem with the 500 is that you need to unscrew the mag tube in order to replace the mag spring, which is crazy. Mag tube springs are one spring that needs to be replaced often, esp if you keep the gun fully loaded. |
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Posted: 3/3/2023 7:31:38 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Can I add a heat shield to the 20" barrel?? I remember wanting to do that back when I first acquired it but was told I couldn't do that. Yes...the reply above has a pic showing the Mossberg factory heatshield on a 20" 500 and 590... There's usually a plastic spacer that's used on the 20" 500 that extends from the mounting clamp bolts to the barrel ring to keep the sheild from working it's way forward under recoil. You can see a short version on the 590 above that ends at the bayo lug ring. I have a 20" Maverick 88 and a 20" 590 with the factory heatshields (look identical to the pic above). |
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Posted: 3/3/2023 10:38:26 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Which one has aftermarket?? Mossberg? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: One of those two guns has a huge aftermarket in the US & US military contracts, one doesn't. Which one has aftermarket?? Mossberg? In the US? Mossberg. |
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Posted: 3/3/2023 11:05:19 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think the biggest problem with the 500 is that you need to unscrew the mag tube in order to replace the mag spring, which is crazy. Mag tube springs are one spring that needs to be replaced often, esp if you keep the gun fully loaded. Thanks. I always thought that springs wore with use, not compressed or extended. That thing has sat loaded for many years now with .00 buck and slugs alternately. This weekend I'm gonna pay attention to it. |
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Posted: 3/4/2023 1:14:18 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes...the reply above has a pic showing the Mossberg factory heatshield on a 20" 500 and 590... https://savannaharsenal.files.wordpress.com/2014/12/600px-mossbergfrontcomparison.jpg There's usually a plastic spacer that's used on the 20" 500 that extends from the mounting clamp bolts to the barrel ring to keep the sheild from working it's way forward under recoil. You can see a short version on the 590 above that ends at the bayo lug ring. I have a 20" Maverick 88 and a 20" 590 with the factory heatshields (look identical to the pic above). OK. Thanks. I've just made a decision. No Italy. I made a decision years back to keep what I acquired compatible with one another in terms of black guns (my fave). I'll do the same with shotguns. In the recent past I was inventorying guns. My issue: I need space to secure. I wouldn't mind having Italy guns, but, I'm not gonna get another safe. Add: my issue is I like that Mossberg, or I never would've bought it. I want a few pumps and at least one semi-auto and I don't have space. I want to be able to modify them as well. Aftermarket support is key. |
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Posted: 3/4/2023 8:33:54 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes...the reply above has a pic showing the Mossberg factory heatshield on a 20" 500 and 590... https://savannaharsenal.files.wordpress.com/2014/12/600px-mossbergfrontcomparison.jpg There's usually a plastic spacer that's used on the 20" 500 that extends from the mounting clamp bolts to the barrel ring to keep the sheild from working it's way forward under recoil. You can see a short version on the 590 above that ends at the bayo lug ring. I have a 20" Maverick 88 and a 20" 590 with the factory heatshields (look identical to the pic above). Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Can I add a heat shield to the 20" barrel?? I remember wanting to do that back when I first acquired it but was told I couldn't do that. Yes...the reply above has a pic showing the Mossberg factory heatshield on a 20" 500 and 590... https://savannaharsenal.files.wordpress.com/2014/12/600px-mossbergfrontcomparison.jpg There's usually a plastic spacer that's used on the 20" 500 that extends from the mounting clamp bolts to the barrel ring to keep the sheild from working it's way forward under recoil. You can see a short version on the 590 above that ends at the bayo lug ring. I have a 20" Maverick 88 and a 20" 590 with the factory heatshields (look identical to the pic above). Might be that it's parkerized, might also be that the breech end of the barrel is slightly larger. But to order it, you have to actually call Mossberg with the part number (don't recall it offhand, found it online), as it's not in their e-store. It doesn't come up often. I had one on backorder with Brownells for several months before it came back in stock, but shortly after I made my order Brownells removed it from their website (so you can no longer order it that way). But you can absolutely add a heat shield to a non-vent rib barrel. |
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Posted: 3/4/2023 10:38:49 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: For what it's worth, the factory 590A1 heat shield is a different part number than the factory 500 heat shield. Might be that it's parkerized, might also be that the breech end of the barrel is slightly larger. But to order it, you have to actually call Mossberg with the part number (don't recall it offhand, found it online), as it's not in their e-store. It doesn't come up often. I had one on backorder with Brownells for several months before it came back in stock, but shortly after I made my order Brownells removed it from their website (so you can no longer order it that way). But you can absolutely add a heat shield to a non-vent rib barrel. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Can I add a heat shield to the 20" barrel?? I remember wanting to do that back when I first acquired it but was told I couldn't do that. Yes...the reply above has a pic showing the Mossberg factory heatshield on a 20" 500 and 590... https://savannaharsenal.files.wordpress.com/2014/12/600px-mossbergfrontcomparison.jpg There's usually a plastic spacer that's used on the 20" 500 that extends from the mounting clamp bolts to the barrel ring to keep the sheild from working it's way forward under recoil. You can see a short version on the 590 above that ends at the bayo lug ring. I have a 20" Maverick 88 and a 20" 590 with the factory heatshields (look identical to the pic above). Might be that it's parkerized, might also be that the breech end of the barrel is slightly larger. But to order it, you have to actually call Mossberg with the part number (don't recall it offhand, found it online), as it's not in their e-store. It doesn't come up often. I had one on backorder with Brownells for several months before it came back in stock, but shortly after I made my order Brownells removed it from their website (so you can no longer order it that way). But you can absolutely add a heat shield to a non-vent rib barrel. You can add a heat shield to a vent-rib bbl too, if you have a Dremel. WECSOG!
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Posted: 3/6/2023 7:14:03 AM EST
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I was sent to Marine Corps security forces school in Virginia Beach in late 1988 followed by a tour of barracks duty in Naples, Italy from 89-90. We were one of the newer classes that were trained on the then new Mossberg M590. No, there was no such thing as the M590A1 back in those days. The first versions we had were parkarized finish, synthetic stocks, 20” barrels with bayonet lugs and heat shields. Later on during my time in “Bella Napoli” (freakin’ molto skeefo!)
 we started seeing new versions with ghost ring sight. Now I don’t know if it was a replacement barrel and a rear sight upgrade to our old guns or new ones entirely. What I do remember is that the sights aren’t like what Mossberg is putting out today. They were sights that I’m pretty sure were made by the now defunct MCC sight company. After leaving Naples, the sulfatari pits and old “Humpty Dumpty” behind, and returning to the Fleet, I never seen a shotgun again. Now we loved the old 590. It was replacing the old rattle-trap Winchester 1200 trench guns we had that was never liked all that much. The lower magazine capacity and the tendency to unlock when fired and start recoiling the smooth wood forend out of our hands when firing 00 Buck or slugs for young Marines that weren’t accustomed to this wasn’t something we were fond of. We also had 2 Remington 870’s with the top folding stocks and short barrels we used over at the NATO AFSouth base where the 6th Fleet Admiral was at. During the day we would man an ECP with that shorty under the desk but after the admiral left for the day, we would have a roving post through the building with that little shotgun and we just loved it. Compact, easy to carry and let’s be honest, just plain badass! |
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Posted: 3/6/2023 10:05:49 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Can anyone tell me if this is what the Army uses?? I was told that it's a 590A1 but the gun is marked 590. I trashed the box years ago. It was already assembled @LGS when I bought it. The stock carries 4 extra slugs. https://i.imgur.com/xqHcLiZ.jpg That is a 590 Special Purpose (50668) It's basically a 590A1 but with a thinner profile barrel and plastic trigger guard. |
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Posted: 3/7/2023 8:07:39 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That is a 590 Special Purpose (50668) It's basically a 590A1 but with a thinner profile barrel and plastic trigger guard. Thanks. It does not look like a plastic trigger guard. Looks like metal, molded with the receiver.  |
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Posted: 3/7/2023 8:14:33 PM EST
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I ordered this heat shield, it's on it's way.
Mossberg 500 590 835 VAPOR EYE Heat Shield Tactical Shotgun 12 Gauge Shroud VE12M I have another action for this gun. It has pic rails on each side I'd like to add as well. I remember I got it directly from Mossberg. The mag tube is solid, one piece. There are no extensions on it. I read there was extension in one of these post. Are these guns easy to work on?? I like easy. |
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Posted: 3/7/2023 8:43:19 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Are these guns easy to work on?? I like easy. Very easy. This is a contract overrun M500A. Note the M500 style mag tube and barrel.  Here is the same gun after getting the MEK kit. New barrel, mag tube, hand guard, and stock set.  I needed the mallet to take the stock on and off until it loosened up a bit. |
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Posted: 3/8/2023 10:53:16 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That is a 590 Special Purpose (50668) It's basically a 590A1 but with a thinner profile barrel and plastic trigger guard. Thanks. Yes. It's identical to guns.com example (51668). It has metal trigger guard though. Mil-spec build (The Mossberg 590A1 Tactical is the only shotgun to pass MilSpec 3443E a test that required it to fire 3000 consecutive rounds without jamming with its heavy-walled barrel, metal trigger guard and safety, clean out mag tube, and Parkerized finish). The mag tube can be easily cleaned and spring changed. Thanks for the part number. It's a sturdy gun for sure. |
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Posted: 3/8/2023 11:02:04 AM EST
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Thanks. Yes. It's identical to guns.com example (51668). It has metal trigger guard though. add: heavy profile barrel as well according to product description. Mil-spec build (The Mossberg 590A1 Tactical is the only shotgun to pass MilSpec 3443E a test that required it to fire 3000 consecutive rounds without jamming with its heavy-walled barrel, metal trigger guard and safety, clean out mag tube, and Parkerized finish). The mag tube can be easily cleaned and spring changed. Thanks for the part number. It's a sturdy gun for sure. |
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Posted: 3/8/2023 11:02:32 AM EST
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: dupe |
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Posted: 3/8/2023 11:07:23 AM EST
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Thanks. Yes. It's identical to guns.com example (51668). It has metal trigger guard though. Mil-spec build (The Mossberg 590A1 Tactical is the only shotgun to pass MilSpec 3443E a test that required it to fire 3000 consecutive rounds without jamming with its heavy-walled barrel, metal trigger guard and safety, clean out mag tube, and Parkerized finish). The mag tube can be easily cleaned and spring changed. Thanks for the part number. It's a sturdy gun for sure. |
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Posted: 3/8/2023 11:55:13 AM EST
[#48]
Interestingly, I'm told that the Army switched to the Plastic trigger group over the metal one. That they prefered it.
Much like how they preferred the polymer M9 guide rods over the metal ones. The metal ones could bend and bind, while the polymer ones had flex and would work in those situations, along with having clearances for sand. I'm told that the Army did not like having to replace or rebuild bent metal trigger guards, so they would just replace the entire trigger unit in the rare event it was damaged. Still, I see why as a Consumer. we love to gloat about having all the metal parts. |
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Posted: 3/8/2023 1:40:16 PM EST
[#49]
Sorry if this consumer came across as "gloating"....no intent here.
I suspect I'm left wondering what there is to gloat about. Perhaps I'm missing something. Multiple posts pointed out it had polymer guard which was obvious to me it does not. I did ask because I do not have any info left around other than the gun that tells me what it is other than what is stamped on the receiver. |
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Posted: 3/8/2023 1:44:54 PM EST
[#50]
As for gloating, I was referring to myself.
I love having a M500M MILS just like I used while I was in the service, and a contract overrun M500A rebuilt into a M500A2 MEK like what is currently used for breaching. But I feel the need to point out that what we the consumer often prefer is not what is actually best. I use the Beretta example to point out how the military considers the polymer guide rod a functional improvement, while most consumers see it as the company cheapening the product. |
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