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Posted: 1/18/2023 8:56:08 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not for me till they address the issue with their rail clamp. But it does look promising. Not really much to address. The failure point is the wedge section of the mount. Quick and easy to replace if you break it. It’s not like some of the other designs that would break the body before the mount. And honestly, I don’t see how you could break it without torquing the shit out of it. |
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Posted: 1/18/2023 10:47:36 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not really much to address. The failure point is the wedge section of the mount. Quick and easy to replace if you break it. It’s not like some of the other designs that would break the body before the mount. And honestly, I don’t see how you could break it without torquing the shit out of it. Good to know. I know you're an end user so that's good info. Didn't they go from square to circle illuminator with newer revisions? |
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Posted: 1/19/2023 4:00:00 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They have said via Instagram there will be a Civilian Version. MSRP is always higher than "street value" unless they do MAP pricing. USNV DesignateIR-V was listed at $1,999.00 at release and it is a polymer body. So, an initial list of $2,300 for an all metal body (presumably more robust) laser isn't that bad and is competitively priced when you consider the MAWL is going for around, what, $3,600 for a brand new MAWL right now? It may not be right away at the rock bottom price we were told, but at least we have another VCSEL option. For many the $500 savings for the USNV DesignateIR-V may make that a more attractive option, but for those who may not like the polymer body of the USNV the OGL's added $500 price tag might be worth it and that difference could be reduced once the OGL has been on the market for awhile. Would I pay $300 more for an all metal body OGL? Yup, granted $500 is in the territory where I'm going to start questioning my choice, but I doubt that the price gap will stay that wide for long. Mawls go on sale periodically for under 3k. Once you break 2k, its a hard sell not to get a known quantity product for 6-800 more. MAWL isnt perfect, but we definitively know what the MAWL is, and isn't. This OGL? Well, buy it and find out in a year or two I guess. |
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Posted: 1/19/2023 6:21:12 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Good to know. I know you're an end user so that's good info. Didn't they go from square to circle illuminator with newer revisions? Yes. I actually sent mine in to be updated. Here’s a quick video of a FP PEQ vs the DIRV. First tree line 270 yards, second tree line 500 yards, and the pump house straight out my gate is about 80 yards. Literally shits on the PEQ. It’s much wider divergence without losing any of the intensity.  PEQ 15 vs Designate IR-V |
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Posted: 1/19/2023 6:27:17 AM EST
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1m12s to 4m. "We're not really close to production."
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Posted: 1/19/2023 8:07:43 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 1m12s to 4m. "We're not really close to production."  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=842ybd7-0f0its a beautiful unit and form factor, I hope it lives up to the hype. I look forward |
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Posted: 1/19/2023 8:18:45 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes. I actually sent mine in to be updated. Here’s a quick video of a FP PEQ vs the DIRV. First tree line 270 yards, second tree line 500 yards, and the pump house straight out my gate is about 80 yards. Literally shits on the PEQ. It’s much wider divergence without losing any of the intensity. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tus5efY7P0oI'm going to keep this in mind. I do like the small profile of it. |
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Posted: 1/19/2023 1:22:00 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Mawls go on sale periodically for under 3k. Once you break 2k, its a hard sell not to get a known quantity product for 6-800 more. MAWL isnt perfect, but we definitively know what the MAWL is, and isn't. This OGL? Well, buy it and find out in a year or two I guess. Too each their own, but in my own financial position an item would have to be at least within $500 of another to be competitive or in the alternative offer some critical features to justify spending more than that on it. MAWLS are great, I'm sure, but their weight and form factor is not to my personal liking. I'd like something lighter weight and I'd prefer a traditional box form. I currently have a Steiner A3, which leaves a lot to be desired I'm sure you know, but I'll keep running that until I see enough reviews of the OGL and read enough impressions on it to form a opinion on whether I want to go with it or the USNV DVIR. I already know that the OGL beam divergence is only 6 degrees at its widest so I will be curious to see if Villain Weapon Systems is able to improve upon that as he did with the PEQ. From what I understand the Zbolt is still under development and Holosun did not have any VCSEL to show off this year. I haven't heard anything about Streamlight either. I have to say I'm pretty disappointed in the AR15.com videos on SHOT Show this year. They are doing videos on the same products that everyone else is doing. Meanwhile, the videos related to our interest, Night Vision, are few and far between on YouTube. |
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Posted: 1/19/2023 1:24:58 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm going to keep this in mind. I do like the small profile of it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Yes. I actually sent mine in to be updated. Here’s a quick video of a FP PEQ vs the DIRV. First tree line 270 yards, second tree line 500 yards, and the pump house straight out my gate is about 80 yards. Literally shits on the PEQ. It’s much wider divergence without losing any of the intensity. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tus5efY7P0oI'm going to keep this in mind. I do like the small profile of it. DVIR is a very attractive option right now. The 8 oz. weight, price, and low profile of it is very nice. |
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Posted: 1/19/2023 4:24:43 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Too each their own, but in my own financial position an item would have to be at least within $500 of another to be competitive or in the alternative offer some critical features to justify spending more than that on it. MAWLS are great, I'm sure, but their weight and form factor is not to my personal liking. I'd like something lighter weight and I'd prefer a traditional box form. I currently have a Steiner A3, which leaves a lot to be desired I'm sure you know, but I'll keep running that until I see enough reviews of the OGL and read enough impressions on it to form a opinion on whether I want to go with it or the USNV DVIR. I already know that the OGL beam divergence is only 6 degrees at its widest so I will be curious to see if Villain Weapon Systems is able to improve upon that as he did with the PEQ. From what I understand the Zbolt is still under development and Holosun did not have any VCSEL to show off this year. I haven't heard anything about Streamlight either. I have to say I'm pretty disappointed in the AR15.com videos on SHOT Show this year. They are doing videos on the same products that everyone else is doing. Meanwhile, the videos related to our interest, Night Vision, are few and far between on YouTube. The staff hates this subforum because we worship Chinese clones apparently. At the present time, Holosun is not saying whether or not they have any new MFAL offerings in development. From what i've been told, they do not but I really want to think that they're just being very tight lipped with that information. We will see. Zbolt's ACAL doesn't really interest me anymore. The form factor is "yuge". I really do think that anything new, coming out in 2023 should be about the size of an NGAL but that's just my opinion. Perhaps, Zbolt is redesigning the exterior form factor? Streamlight? Meh...lol. I'd be super surprised if we see anything from them anytime soon. They seem too focused on the utility/edc market and road patrol cop demographic to produce a high end laser device. Out of all of the big name players, I really don't expect to see anything amazing. Perhaps Holosun will release something. They arguably have the largest manufacturing base. They're a GIANT company... I think I mentioned this once but ill say it again since details often times get lost in these threads. Production wont start until October for the OGL. Which means we probably wont see them until the end of the year or early 2024. I have inquiries in to order one so maybe i'll be able to provide feedback on how the thing actually works. We will see. Nocturnality gear mentioned that besides Eotech another "big name player" has something coming but who knows when that will drop. They were super cryptic about that information. They posted it on their instagram feed. |
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Posted: 1/20/2023 11:21:18 AM EST
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I don't think anyone posted this quicky vid yet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7c7RLOPipqE  The NEW EOTech OGL: On-Gun-Laser |
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Posted: 1/20/2023 12:13:05 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The staff hates this subforum because we worship Chinese clones apparently. At the present time, Holosun is not saying whether or not they have any new MFAL offerings in development. From what i've been told, they do not but I really want to think that they're just being very tight lipped with that information. We will see. Zbolt's ACAL doesn't really interest me anymore. The form factor is "yuge". I really do think that anything new, coming out in 2023 should be about the size of an NGAL but that's just my opinion. Perhaps, Zbolt is redesigning the exterior form factor? Streamlight? Meh...lol. I'd be super surprised if we see anything from them anytime soon. They seem too focused on the utility/edc market and road patrol cop demographic to produce a high end laser device. Out of all of the big name players, I really don't expect to see anything amazing. Perhaps Holosun will release something. They arguably have the largest manufacturing base. They're a GIANT company... I think I mentioned this once but ill say it again since details often times get lost in these threads. Production wont start until October for the OGL. Which means we probably wont see them until the end of the year or early 2024. I have inquiries in to order one so maybe i'll be able to provide feedback on how the thing actually works. We will see. Nocturnality gear mentioned that besides Eotech another "big name player" has something coming but who knows when that will drop. They were super cryptic about that information. They posted it on their instagram feed. ZBolt had a very cryptic post about their ACAL on Instagram, but provided no information whatsoever. I really wish we had someone from ARFCOM at the SHOT Show making enquiries with everyone under the sun to find out what other VCSEL options might be in development, but I suppose at this rate if there are any we don't know about it's probably unlikely they'll spring up this year on the market. I think Holosun really is the next company likely to come out with a VCSEL, they have their standard civilian power IR MFALs rolling out in force and they as a company always seem to be pretty darn innovative so I think there might be something to the Holosun rumors. Hopefully, we'll get some videos that will compare the USNV DIRV, MAWL, OGL, and Wilcox RAID Xe (Civ) this year. Sort of a VCSEL "shoot out" if you will to help people make informed choices. |
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Posted: 1/20/2023 12:16:01 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't think anyone posted this quicky vid yet. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7c7RLOPipqE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7c7RLOPipqEARFCOM has their video up as well.  EO Tech | NEW OGL | SHOTShow 2023 I really hope that at some point these OGLs would come under the $2K mark. I think that could definitely happen and maybe that would place some pressure on Steiner to do a VCSEL? |
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Posted: 1/20/2023 7:01:07 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Too each their own, but in my own financial position an item would have to be at least within $500 of another to be competitive or in the alternative offer some critical features to justify spending more than that on it. MAWLS are great, I'm sure, but their weight and form factor is not to my personal liking. I'd like something lighter weight and I'd prefer a traditional box form. I currently have a Steiner A3, which leaves a lot to be desired I'm sure you know, but I'll keep running that until I see enough reviews of the OGL and read enough impressions on it to form a opinion on whether I want to go with it or the USNV DVIR. I already know that the OGL beam divergence is only 6 degrees at its widest so I will be curious to see if Villain Weapon Systems is able to improve upon that as he did with the PEQ. From what I understand the Zbolt is still under development and Holosun did not have any VCSEL to show off this year. I haven't heard anything about Streamlight either. I have to say I'm pretty disappointed in the AR15.com videos on SHOT Show this year. They are doing videos on the same products that everyone else is doing. Meanwhile, the videos related to our interest, Night Vision, are few and far between on YouTube. I didn't see anything particularly revolutionary at SHOT in the NV sphere. |
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Posted: 1/21/2023 1:02:10 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: ZBolt had a very cryptic post about their ACAL on Instagram, but provided no information whatsoever. "We're 90 percent done on this" - shows a sketchup in the post. Like aight bud sick vaporware keep on doin your thing lol |
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Posted: 1/21/2023 8:22:03 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I didn't see anything particularly revolutionary at SHOT in the NV sphere. There's nothing revolutionary but there certainly was a ton of evolutionary items. Tons of new housings, a new MFAL from a major player and more helmet options. All of this is good news to me! |
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Posted: 1/22/2023 8:05:12 PM EST
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Posted: 1/23/2023 11:10:50 AM EST
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Quote History Introducing the EOTECH OGL I am disappointed that it has that damn green visible LED "on" indicator light on the rear of it. Hopefully that can be deactivated. |
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Posted: 1/23/2023 11:39:54 AM EST
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IshP3nNxjrMI am disappointed that it has that damn green visible LED "on" indicator light on the rear of it. Hopefully that can be deactivated. But why? It’s a safety feature that a lot of devices have. I’ve never noticed one in use |
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Posted: 1/23/2023 1:01:32 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: But why? It’s a safety feature that a lot of devices have. I’ve never noticed one in use Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IshP3nNxjrMI am disappointed that it has that damn green visible LED "on" indicator light on the rear of it. Hopefully that can be deactivated. But why? It’s a safety feature that a lot of devices have. I’ve never noticed one in use This, they are VERY dimly lit. |
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Posted: 1/23/2023 5:16:33 PM EST
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This, they are VERY dimly lit. Hope it's dim enough that it can't be seen glowing on a rifle when someone looks under NODs from more than a few feet away. |
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Posted: 1/23/2023 6:34:53 PM EST
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Hope it's dim enough that it can't be seen glowing on a rifle when someone looks under NODs from more than a few feet away. #MAWL |
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Posted: 1/23/2023 8:10:28 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hope it's dim enough that it can't be seen glowing on a rifle when someone looks under NODs from more than a few feet away. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: This, they are VERY dimly lit. Hope it's dim enough that it can't be seen glowing on a rifle when someone looks under NODs from more than a few feet away. You'll be fine... |
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Posted: 1/23/2023 9:30:00 PM EST
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Hope it's dim enough that it can't be seen glowing on a rifle when someone looks under NODs from more than a few feet away. Lol. The splash from your nods would be far more visible than that small light would be, especially at the angle someone would need to be at to see it |
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Posted: 1/24/2023 7:58:55 AM EST
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Lol. The splash from your nods would be far more visible than that small light would be, especially at the angle someone would need to be at to see it Spot on. Eye Glow is massive through NV, especially with the 'All The Gain' crew. 2nd guy from the left, and that's with a 100% moon directly overhead.  "Does my gear reflect IR?"... don't worry about it, bud - you have a bigger problem  |
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Posted: 1/24/2023 11:00:12 AM EST
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They were unclear but i think that LED that lets you know if the laser is on only lights up when you fire it. Dim enough someone without NV isn't likely to see it and not a concern against a peer opponent since the IR signature of firing a laser is more than a lil baby LED.
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Posted: 1/24/2023 11:40:15 AM EST
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Lol. The splash from your nods would be far more visible than that small light would be, especially at the angle someone would need to be at to see it I'm going to end up placing tape over it anyways. I may only be a poverty 14 guy, but I like my eye cup and manual gain adjustment.
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Posted: 1/24/2023 1:11:56 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They were unclear but i think that LED that lets you know if the laser is on only lights up when you fire it. Dim enough someone without NV isn't likely to see it and not a concern against a peer opponent since the IR signature of firing a laser is more than a lil baby LED. ^ This ETA: the MAWL has a dim amber indicator when it’s on and turns green when fired. A non-issue. |
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Posted: 1/24/2023 1:25:43 PM EST
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This LED is a NON issue...Nothing even close to a concern.
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Posted: 1/24/2023 2:22:51 PM EST
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This LED is a NON issue...Nothing even close to a concern. Is TNVC going to carry the OGL for sale? |
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Posted: 1/24/2023 2:56:32 PM EST
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Is TNVC going to carry the OGL for sale? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: This LED is a NON issue...Nothing even close to a concern. Is TNVC going to carry the OGL for sale? Once we get done testing (like all other gear), we will make that determination. |
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Posted: 1/25/2023 10:20:47 PM EST
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: But why? It’s a safety feature that a lot of devices have. I’ve never noticed one in use Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IshP3nNxjrMI am disappointed that it has that damn green visible LED "on" indicator light on the rear of it. Hopefully that can be deactivated. But why? It’s a safety feature that a lot of devices have. I’ve never noticed one in use I'm fairly certain it's an FDA requirement for IR lasers. |
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Posted: 2/17/2023 1:15:13 PM EST
[#33]
Lucas Botkin of T-Rex Arms appears to have gotten his hands on an OGL, he had some video of him just mounting it on his Instagram.
I don't know if he's playing with the LEO/GOV model or an early Civilian pre-production one though? Am I correct in assuming that the VCSEL IR illuminator will be the same on the Civilian model as it is on the LEO/GOV and that the LEO/GOV version will just have a full power IR pointer? |
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Posted: 2/17/2023 2:16:26 PM EST
[#34]
Probably LEO version. The civvy-legal version hasn't received approval yet.
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Posted: 2/17/2023 4:34:12 PM EST
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Lucas Botkin of T-Rex Arms appears to have gotten his hands on an OGL, he had some video of him just mounting it on his Instagram. I don't know if he's playing with the LEO/GOV model or an early Civilian pre-production one though? Am I correct in assuming that the VCSEL IR illuminator will be the same on the Civilian model as it is on the LEO/GOV and that the LEO/GOV version will just have a full power IR pointer? Most likely his Eotech territory rep loaned it to him for his memes. |
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Posted: 2/24/2023 8:31:36 PM EST
[#36]
The more I learn about this thing, the more likely it is that I'll get two of them when they release.
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Posted: 2/25/2023 1:13:35 AM EST
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Posted: 3/1/2023 1:19:22 PM EST
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Most likely his Eotech territory rep loaned it to him for his memes. Yeah, I thought as much. I hope he gets the video out soon he's been teasing about on YT with the OGL compared to others. It's a good sign though that EOTech is rolling samples out to folks to start giving us more info. |
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Posted: 3/1/2023 1:21:42 PM EST
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The more I learn about this thing, the more likely it is that I'll get two of them when they release. Yeah, honestly been a long time since I got excited for a new firearm related item like the OGL. I get the vibe that a lot of folks aren't happy that we're potentially going to get an affordable VCSEL though, but hopefully I'm mistaken. |
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Posted: 3/1/2023 7:00:12 PM EST
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted:I get the vibe that a lot of folks aren't happy that we're potentially going to get an affordable VCSEL though, but hopefully I'm mistaken. Who? What gives you that vibe? |
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Posted: 4/6/2023 2:38:21 PM EST
[#41]
Any news on the OGL?
I saw many weeks ago now that Lucas of T-Rex Arms had one, but it's been radio silence from him ever since that pic. Is EOTech getting these out to "influencers" yet and if so I imagine they have some kind of agreement to hold off any reports on it for a bit since I can't think of why we haven't heard anything yet. |
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Posted: 4/6/2023 3:31:43 PM EST
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Any news on the OGL? I saw many weeks ago now that Lucas of T-Rex Arms had one, but it's been radio silence from him ever since that pic. Is EOTech getting these out to "influencers" yet and if so I imagine they have some kind of agreement to hold off any reports on it for a bit since I can't think of why we haven't heard anything yet. It's way too soon. From what i've been told, the LEO variants may be released late fourth quarter. There's no reason to hype these up right now. Perhaps we will see something towards the end of the year but right now, nah. |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 1:55:46 PM EST
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It's way too soon. From what i've been told, the LEO variants may be released late fourth quarter. There's no reason to hype these up right now. Perhaps we will see something towards the end of the year but right now, nah. You're right,  I'm just hungry for news and impressions. I'm incredibly impatient. |
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Posted: 4/7/2023 11:29:32 PM EST
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You're right, I'm just hungry for news and impressions. I'm incredibly impatient. You, me and the rest of the world. :) As soon as I have one in hand i'll be sure to report my impressions of the unit. I'm hoping to get one of the first run of units despite that being against everything I hold dear as far as adopting first generation technology. Ah well. I've done dumber things. :) |
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Posted: 4/11/2023 6:44:26 AM EST
[#45]
No news, but at least it's the latest footage showing the OGL.
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Posted: 4/18/2023 2:16:23 PM EST
[#46]
Nice Video.
Good to see EOTech teasing it out a bit, even if we're not getting full on marketing videos on it yet. I'm excited for it. Hopefully it is competitive in price with the U.S. Night Vision DesignateIR-V LAM. If it's within $500 or so of the DesignateIR-V than I'll be buying the OGL for sure (unless someone remarkable comes out in the interim that I"m not presently aware of). RAID Xe is just insane price wise, has that proprietary switch, and I'm not a fan of waiting months on end for something on backorder that I've spent a massive amount of money on. |
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Posted: 4/18/2023 7:29:11 PM EST
[#47]
FWIW, I spoke to an Eotech rep at a trade show last week about the OGL. He said they plan to ship the restricted version around Christmas time this year and the civ version sometime after that depending on FDA approval. Currently, still looking at the $2200 price point for the restricted version.
The OGL is much smaller in person than it looks on the internet. Not quite NGAL size but not that much bigger either. |
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Posted: 4/19/2023 12:23:37 PM EST
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: FWIW, I spoke to an Eotech rep at a trade show last week about the OGL. He said they plan to ship the restricted version around Christmas time this year and the civ version sometime after that depending on FDA approval. Currently, still looking at the $2200 price point for the restricted version. The OGL is much smaller in person than it looks on the internet. Not quite NGAL size but not that much bigger either. Okay, that's good news honestly. $2,200 would make it just just $201 more than the US NV DesginateIR-V is going for right now and that's a fair mark up for a LAM with a metal body. Much more affordable than the RAID Xe or MAWL. It's $400 more than a D2, but I think that's still in the fair range of things due to the fact that the OGL uses VCSEL and not LED plus is way smaller/lighter. Of course, I'd be happy if they were a few bucks, but given the reality of the market right now I think that pricing is where they need to be at. Now, the question is do I want to be a Beta Tester and take the first civilian batch? In a way, I'm kind of glad that LEO will get the first bite of the apple here, because hopefully we civilians will already have some idea of the QC and performance from our LEO friends before we lay out our hard cash. |
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Posted: 5/3/2023 1:55:38 PM EST
[#49]
HRF Concepts got a hold of one and showed it off on their Instagram. Problem is they got a damaged MIL version and so apparently they're sending it back for repair or replacement. So, we came close to having our first real look at it, but looks like we're going to have to wait a bit longer.
Thing is definitely bigger and heavier than an NGAL and Raid Xe. |
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Posted: 5/9/2023 2:57:52 PM EST
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: HRF Concepts got a hold of one and showed it off on their Instagram. Problem is they got a damaged MIL version and so apparently they're sending it back for repair or replacement. So, we came close to having our first real look at it, but looks like we're going to have to wait a bit longer. Thing is definitely bigger and heavier than an NGAL and Raid Xe. "Damaged mil version"? I saw their first post about it alluding towards the fact that it wasn't super impressive performance wise. Did they ever make a follow up post about what exactly was "damaged"? |
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