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Posted: 1/30/2019 8:50:15 PM EST
Placeholder to resurrect my camo thread from the archive.

A couple years ago, it was nearly impossible to find a few kinds of milsurp camo on the market.  The hardest was Norwegian M98.  Both "woodland" and "desert" variants. It's out there now, significantly.  If you want some, buy it now. I've been on the lookout for non-pixelated milsurp camo since 2012.  It's a good time to be looking.

Formerly unobtainum, but out there, relatively easy to get now:

Swedish M90.
Norway M98.
Australian AUSCAM and AUSCAM Desert
Austrian "peas and dots"
Finland M05
Swiss TAZ90
Italian M29
Greek "Lizard" Camo
Finland M62 Camo.
Tibet 03 camo
Irish DPM
French CCE
Belgian M90 Jigsaw
German Tropentarn (desert)
German Aridfleck.
Russian made, mil issue of WWII German patterns. (Every German pattern of note, is available from Russian sources as milsurp camo. Tan and Water, Splinter, all SS oakleaf patterns, etc.)

Still unobtainum and I'm trying hard to get:
Latvian Pixelated
Legit Rhodesian or faithful repro
Zaire Leopard
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I passed-up on some repro Rhodesian "Splash" (might not be the correct term) camo "T"-shirts long, long, time ago, and have regretted it since.  Came and went like a whirlwind, which makes me suspect they were SA originals. Seems like such a design might nowadays be "popular" with those who did not know their origin.  As for myself, I have no problem with that.

I applaud intelligent collection, and subsequent, detailed, photos of various collected items.  I hope that you will share with us the fruits of your collection.  Doing so might benefit other collectors.
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I have a thread starting in '12 that got gobbled up by the server.  That said, I was a poor custodian of said thread and was posting haphazardly.

Unfortunately, I used photofucket for images. I'll pick a better host going forward.

My object, at the time, was to counter the "pixelated" camo trend.  It seems that pixelated camo is no longer in favor...that said, it also seems that there are numerous first rate militaries making a transition to new camo.  If one is a collector, there are few instances I can think of where the availability of first rate, little used camo is readily available.
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Source for Italian M29?
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Fireforce Ventures has Rhodesian brushstroke on modern bdu style clothes, but I dunno the accuracy.
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I'm sure it isn't rare, but source for Danish camo?
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Been trying to find some Australian AUSCAM and AUSCAM Desert but I haven’t been having any luck.

Mentioning the Austrian "peas and dots" brings back some memories from my youth. I used to see the parkas all the time in surplus stores. After watching Navy SEALs recently, I wouldn’t mind finding some again.
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Fireforce Ventures has Rhodesian brushstroke on modern bdu style clothes, but I dunno the accuracy.
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The pattern is good, but, obviously, the Rhodesians didn't use the BDU-style.
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There’s one on eBay right now. Not sure if the seller will ship outside Italy.
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I bought from a couple sources, all listed as "San Marco" camo variants.  Sportsman's guide had the regular issue until not too long ago.
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Been trying to find some Australian AUSCAM and AUSCAM Desert but I haven't been having any luck.

Mentioning the Austrian "peas and dots" brings back some memories from my youth. I used to see the parkas all the time in surplus stores. After watching Navy SEALs recently, I wouldn't mind finding some again.
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There's twill current production BDU cut peas and dots.  Sportsman's guide had some, I bought my commerical from a european site, but a couple pairs of surplus from Omaha surplus, IIRC.
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Australia...

AUSCAM-Commercial. Platatac brand. Ripstop.  Australian "cut" trousers.



AUSCAM Boonie Hat. Commercial. Ripstop.



ETA 2/4/19

Milsurp AUSCAM desert pattern. Light twill fabric. The "yellow" looks like French Vanilla yellow to the eye.

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Austria...

ETA 4/3/19 Austrian Boonie hat made from surplus shelter half. Peas and dots on one side, tan and water pattern on other.  Reversable for wear as hat.





Commercial Peas and Dots. Twill fabric. US BDU pattern.



Peas and Dots.  Military Surplus.

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Belgium

Congo Brushstroke Camo. Circa 1956. Overpants. Heavy canvas. Surplus.



Same pants, interior.


Original (?) Jigsaw pattern. Twill fabric.  Surplus.



Surplus 1990's Jigsaw. Twill. More or less US BDU cut.

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Bulgaria...

Surplus Splinter Pattern, late Warsaw pact, circa late 1980's (obvious WWII German influence).

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China...

Surplus (Police? Military?) "Tibet" pixelated pattern.

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Czech...

Commercial M95 Pattern, US BDU cut, ripstop.



Czech made, Police (?) surplus UK DPM pattern Level IV Body Armor with ceramic plates.



Nomenclature tag on inside of ceramic plate



Nomenclature tag from inside carrier

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Denmark...
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France...

Surplus "gore tex" (not actually gore tex, the French equivalent) parka.  CCE Pattern.



Commercial "CCE" inspired camo, African contract, French Cut trousers.



Commercial, Lizard repro, twill. Original cut. (Color is off, they got the dye job wrong, I think).

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Germany....

Including, WWII patterns, BW, NVA

ETA Brain fart. See post below.
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Greece...

Commercial, Greek "Lizard Pattern" ripstop, US ACU cut.

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Hungary...
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India...

Surplus "Fern" pattern. Twill. I would say this is the same weight as US Woodland "winter" BDU's.  The cut reminds me of 1950's era British military trousers. These have been made within the past 20 years or so though.



Surplus, noted by seller as "Para" pattern. Whatever that means.  The fabric is not ripstop, but is a very lighweight twill. I'm guessing they are hot weather use.  Same cut as the Fern pattern.

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Ireland...

Surplus Irish DPM.  Ripstop. The brown in the pattern has a redish appearance that doesn't come though in the pic. Very high quality.

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Italy...

Surplus mimetico deserto



Marine battlion M29 (contains a sea green), heavyweight twill



Same pants



Army M29, placeholder...

mimetico Vegetata & desert, placeholder....
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Norway...

Commercial M98 Woodland, Ripstop, Unique cut. (High quality)



Commercial, pre-M98 (ETA M75 pattern, I think), twill, US BDU cut.



ETA 2/4/19
Milsurp, NOS never issued.  Norway M98, (UK made) Ripstop. Purchased from a Lithuanian seller.



ETA 2/19/19 Norway Desert M98 (M03?) Misurp, unissued.

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Poland...

Commercial, Polish woodland WZ93 Pantera, US ACU Cut with additions



Desert

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Russia...

With Soviet patterns, if I bought them from Russia, I'll list them under Russia.  If I bought a pattern used by the Soviets from another country as surplus, I will list under that country.
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South Africa...
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Sri Lanka...

Milsurp, Sri Lanka jungle pattern, extremely lightweight (hot weather?) trousers.  Very low quality.  Summarily executing hogtied Tamil rebels in a controlled enviornment?  No problem.   Would not have wanted to wear these in a combat enviornment.

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Sweden...

ETA Added 2/21/19

Commercial M90 Desert pattern. Ripstop. Proprietary cut by Swedish brand "Tac Up Gear". Permethrin treated.

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Switzerland...

Surplus, TAZ 90 Woodland



Surplus, M83 "Alpenflage".  Rit dyed surplus on left, original surplus on right.

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Ukraine...

Surplus Soviet TTSKO

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United Kingdom...

Milsurp DPM pattern, ripstop, Soldier 95 cut

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United States...

ETA 5/13/18 Night Camo, surplus (like new)



ETA 2/19/19 "Chocolate chips"



Commercial Tigerstripe, Ripstop, BDU Cut



Mil issue (to me) DCU blouse (with 1st ID "combat patch") ripstop, BDU cut (upper middle of pic, trousers are Polish).

Mil issue (to me) Woodland patrol cap (with E7 sew on Rank) ripstop.



Mil issue Massif Combat shirts, both UCP pattern. Left is UCP, right I Rit Dyed to approximate UCP Delta pattern.



Mil issue OD laundry bag.  Massif combat shirt, originally UCP pattern, now Rit Dyed 50/50 Kelly Green/Black



Mil issue, UCP, ACU Cut trousers, Rit Dyed 50/50 Pearl Gray/Kelly Green

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Zimbabwe...
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Germany....

Including, WWII patterns, BW, NVA
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ETA 5/18/19 East German Surplus, Rain pattern "Strichtarn".  I can't say these were unissued, but there's very little evidence of use and no laundry marks.



Commercial, WWII Oakleaf camo pattern, twill fabric, US BDU Cut.



Commercial (IIRC) "Aridfleck" pattern, Ripstop fabric, US ACU cut.



Surplus "Flecktarn"



Commercial, WWII "repro" Waffen SS pattern.  Turns out to be a "Blem". Manufacturer omitted one of the colors by mistake.  Don't know which pattern, they were crazy cheap, which is why I bought them.  Cotton poplin/linen overpants.

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Finland...
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Israel.  OR-201 Orlite Helmet with scrim and camoband.
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Very early Yugoslav camo, supposedly made in East Germany. It's referred to as the "mountain" pattern. Also has trousers, mittens, and a hip bag that can carry all of it. I have two sets of these.



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Commercial, WWII Oakleaf camo pattern, twill fabric, US BDU Cut.

http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/yy309/toecutter_01/1a1%20recent%20bdu/IMG_2018_zpsvoxzxshf.jpg
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Where can I find these?  Really like the pattern.
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Where can I find these?  Really like the pattern.
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Pretty sure I got these at sportsman's guide
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Pretty sure I got these at sportsman's guide
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Thanks.  Off to search...
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The pattern is good, but, obviously, the Rhodesians didn't use the BDU-style.
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Fireforce Ventures has Rhodesian brushstroke on modern bdu style clothes, but I dunno the accuracy.
The pattern is good, but, obviously, the Rhodesians didn't use the BDU-style.
It seemed very dark to me, but I have no real reference.  Like it was green-based instead of tan.  I'll get some pics.  Bought too big on the Fireforce pants and need to put them on the EE.  Combat shirt and different pants on order from them.

I have an old set from the late '80s that worked great in north Texas red dirt playing paintball, but it might be pretty faded.

Fireforce also had some operator caps in Rhodie, they are awesome.  Totally replaced my usual Multicam hat, nice and unique but modern style.

Edit: my personal grail item of clothing would be the British PCS MTP smock, but in a good Rhodie pattern.
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Very early Yugoslav camo, supposedly made in East Germany. It's referred to as the "mountain" pattern. Also has trousers, mittens, and a hip bag that can carry all of it. I have two sets of these.
https://i.postimg.cc/fRYRgMqC/Yugoslav-Camo.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/fWvFCpvd/Yugoslav-camo-3.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/xC1H2XWn/Yugoslav-camo-2.jpg
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That's an interesting pattern. The brown looks like it has a red hue to it
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That's an interesting pattern. The brown looks like it has a red hue to it
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Yes there is definitely some red. If you turn it inside out, it also makes excellent winter camouflage. I really think that there is validity to the concept of a reversible camouflage suit that goes over a regular uniform.
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Updated Norway, Ukraine, Switzerland, Sri Lanka, UK, United States.
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Thanks.  Off to search...
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If you can't find any, PM me. I think I bought 2 pairs.  Would sell you one for cost plus shipping. Equivalent of NATO Medium Regular.
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Updated Norway, Desert AUSCAM
Link Posted: 2/19/2019 10:34:26 AM EST
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Added Norway Desert Milsurp above.
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It seemed very dark to me, but I have no real reference.  Like it was green-based instead of tan.  I'll get some pics.  Bought too big on the Fireforce pants and need to put them on the EE.  Combat shirt and different pants on order from them.

I have an old set from the late '80s that worked great in north Texas red dirt playing paintball, but it might be pretty faded.

Fireforce also had some operator caps in Rhodie, they are awesome.  Totally replaced my usual Multicam hat, nice and unique but modern style.

Edit: my personal grail item of clothing would be the British PCS MTP smock, but in a good Rhodie pattern.
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Oh good, I was going to get the cap in Rhodie. My Multicam cap is from when Crye first started making them and it is showing it's age.

Brushstroke is my favorite pattern type. I love to see some modern jackets in Rhodie or Congo Belgian, etc.
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