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Posted: 7/2/2017 7:30:27 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/2/2017 7:44:47 PM EDT
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We haven't heard from the hippie kicker ok 48 hrs.
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Posted: 7/2/2017 7:47:55 PM EDT
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still won't beat a thunderbeastinc
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Posted: 7/2/2017 7:54:25 PM EDT
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Good deal for both of them, S&W buys suppressor technology and can ramp up large scale manufacturing when HPA passes, Gemtech can cash out while suppressor sales stall while buyers hold off because of HPA.
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Posted: 7/2/2017 7:55:24 PM EDT
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Shit.....looks like NVcarbines post in GD yesterday was correct......didn't even see it....
Lots of folks seem to think it's in anticipation of something HPA-related happening......for some reason I don't....although I do feel that suppressor sales will jump back up rapidly once wait times drop to below "41F panic" levels..... |
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Posted: 7/2/2017 7:58:08 PM EDT
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Shit.....looks like NVcarbines post in GD yesterday was correct......didn't even see it.... Lots of folks seem to think it's in anticipation of something HPA-related happening......for some reason I don't....although I do feel that suppressor sales will jump back up rapidly once wait times drop to below "41F panic" levels..... |
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Posted: 7/2/2017 8:05:53 PM EDT
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Very interesting. Perhaps SW taking the same path as Ruger but relying on prior experience vs trying it on their own.
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Posted: 7/2/2017 8:11:12 PM EDT
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Doesn't Gemtech have substantial LE contracts? I bet those get expanded greatly under S&W
I hope the right people make more money, innovation continues i.e. new Trek, and they make wht consumers want @phd @techstaff @ikickhippies |
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Posted: 7/2/2017 8:28:53 PM EDT
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Doesn't Gemtech have substantial LE contracts? I bet those get expanded greatly under S&W I hope the right people make more money, innovation continues i.e. new Trek, and they make wht consumers want @phd @techstaff @ikickhippies Video released April 2016 [youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0YjHhybDjA[/youtube] |
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Posted: 7/2/2017 8:45:14 PM EDT
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At first blush, this seems to make a lot of sense, especially for Gemtech.
S&W should give them the capital needed to boost production capacity and bring prices down. |
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Posted: 7/2/2017 9:09:23 PM EDT
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I think this was in the works for a little bit. Video released April 2016  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0YjHhybDjAhttp://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2017/06/09/gemtech-headquarters/?utm_source=email&utm_medium=SumoMe&utm_campaign=sumome_share |
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Posted: 7/2/2017 9:17:53 PM EDT
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Hadn't watched that video in a while. I wonder what they manufacture in Arizona and Michigan.
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Posted: 7/2/2017 9:31:02 PM EDT
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We haven't heard from the hippie kicker ok 48 hrs. They all have jobs still. |
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Posted: 7/2/2017 9:55:33 PM EDT
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Maybe they think HPA will pass?
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Posted: 7/2/2017 10:13:21 PM EDT
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Tag for possible answers.
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Posted: 7/2/2017 11:45:01 PM EDT
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I want one of the new Gemtech Treks. It would be sweet if they made one for 6.5 or 6.8!
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Posted: 7/2/2017 11:55:10 PM EDT
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I want one of the new Gemtech Treks. It would be sweet if they made one for 6.5 or 6.8! 
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Posted: 7/2/2017 11:55:35 PM EDT
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We haven't heard from the hippie kicker ok 48 hrs. Quote HistoryQuoted:
We haven't heard from the hippie kicker ok 48 hrs. Turn computer off. Go outside. Breathe fresh air. Detonate pyrotechnics. [rickjames] it's a celebration [/rickjames] Quoted:
I want one of the new Gemtech Treks. It would be sweet if they made one for 6.5 or 6.8! 
6.8 I'd rather be mauled by bears. 
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Posted: 7/3/2017 12:00:15 AM EDT
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Great! Maybe Gemtech can convince Smith & Wesson to release a factory 4-4.5" threaded Victory now.
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Posted: 7/3/2017 12:01:39 AM EDT
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Great! Maybe Gemtech can convince Smith & Wesson to release a factory 4-4.5" threaded Victory now. |
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Posted: 7/3/2017 12:04:19 AM EDT
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Get out of my head. 
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Posted: 7/3/2017 12:20:09 AM EDT
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This seems like great news on both ends. S&W is as mainstream as it gets. Gemtech is the most innovative silencer company around in my opinion.
Less unobtanium (a few Gemtech products come to mind) and more products on shelves will be sweet. |
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Posted: 7/3/2017 12:26:09 AM EDT
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What does this mean for my old gemtech Halo? Was wanting to get it recorded and refinished.
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Posted: 7/3/2017 12:45:30 AM EDT
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I am fine with another large manufacturer wanting to see and push for the hpa passing. The more and the larger these companies are the more pressure that they can put on the nra, and legislators, lobbyists to try and push the hpa thru. Good luck to both of them.
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Posted: 7/3/2017 5:38:00 AM EDT
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I just hope S&W doesn't do something stupid like move them to Massachusetts.
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Posted: 7/3/2017 9:53:32 AM EDT
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Maybe S&W can get their new company's products legal for Massachusetts residents now.
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Posted: 7/3/2017 11:24:45 AM EDT
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New Gemtech owners were bankers, guess they were looking for quick flip and got it.
As we saw from AAC purchase, SWR purchase, this will NOT be good. |
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Posted: 7/3/2017 11:26:45 AM EDT
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Great! Maybe Gemtech can convince Smith & Wesson to release a factory 4-4.5" threaded Victory now. |
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Posted: 7/3/2017 11:47:51 AM EDT
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I'm a thinkin....
That SW knows something about the HPA we dont..... My body is ready |
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Posted: 7/3/2017 11:52:34 AM EDT
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I would like to see a integral 15-22 & a integral barrel for the victory. Or a Black Stainless victory with a 3" threaded barrel with NS.
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Posted: 7/3/2017 12:11:03 PM EDT
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I'm a thinkin.... That SW knows something about the HPA we dont..... |
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Posted: 7/3/2017 12:36:35 PM EDT
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I think too many people think HPA is the answer to every question. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm a thinkin.... That SW knows something about the HPA we dont..... |
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Posted: 7/3/2017 12:41:03 PM EDT
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I think too many people think HPA is the answer to every question. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm a thinkin.... That SW knows something about the HPA we dont..... 
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Posted: 7/3/2017 12:52:05 PM EDT
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I think too many people think HPA is the answer to every question. |
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Posted: 7/3/2017 12:57:25 PM EDT
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New Gemtech owners were bankers, guess they were looking for quick flip and got it. As we saw from AAC purchase, SWR purchase, this will NOT be good. The Remington acquisitions all seemed to go pretty badly, even Remington themselves was a little worse, but that would have been more of the bankers buying Gem, not S&W. I think S&W just saw that SIG, Ruger, Remington all had silencer divisions and buying was easier than setting up. The timing with the new facility seems odd, but perhaps S&W will use the new facility capacity for other things too, since Mass isn't the best place to expand I'd think. So I wonder what's next, Beretta needs to buy someone? |
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Posted: 7/3/2017 1:45:16 PM EDT
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I have not found any press releases from either GemTech or AOBC confirming this purchase.
AOBC didn't do too well in the market today, RGR did. Is there anything out there besides the recoil announcement? I am not saying that this news is incorrect, just that I can't seem to confirm it. |
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Posted: 7/3/2017 2:16:26 PM EDT
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I have not found any press releases from either GemTech or AOBC confirming this purchase. AOBC didn't do too well in the market today, RGR did. Is there anything out there besides the recoil announcement? I am not saying that this news is incorrect, just that I can't seem to confirm it. |
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Posted: 7/3/2017 4:18:25 PM EDT
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I'm a thinkin.... That SW knows something about the HPA we dont..... I don't give a shit about returned $200 of tax credits or anything. I want as close to cash and carry as we can get and maybe some new players in the market |
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Posted: 7/3/2017 4:42:50 PM EDT
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Can either of you explain it from a consumer's perspective on why it's not great? Historically though, buyouts do nothing for the customer. There is less choice, and more cost. Typically the buyout business was gender neutral. How will that effect products like MIST22, which goes on a competitors gun? And companies with silencer brands, tend to make stuff for their guns and let stuff for other guns, or generic stuff, fall off the R&D chart. Sure, in the short term little will change. But over time, expect the current Gemtech lineup to be completely different. Get your classic cans (MK9K, Mossad, etc NOW). |
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Posted: 7/3/2017 4:43:50 PM EDT
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No one ever said that HPA wouldn't be great for anyone, just that the odds aren't in our favor. There is a 4% chance or less of it passing.
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Posted: 7/3/2017 4:47:40 PM EDT
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No one ever said that HPA wouldn't be great for anyone, just that the odds aren't in our favor. There is a 4% chance or less of it passing.  On the other hand, someone on this forum was telling folks ATF41F was a done deal, over a year earlier......
j/k |
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Posted: 7/3/2017 5:00:58 PM EDT
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Says the company that said ATF41F was dead, two weeks before it was passed. On the other hand, someone on this forum was telling folks ATF41F was a done deal, over a year earlier......
j/k
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Posted: 7/3/2017 5:07:51 PM EDT
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Says the company that said ATF41F was dead, two weeks before it was passed. On the other hand, someone on this forum was telling folks ATF41F was a done deal, over a year earlier......
j/k
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Posted: 7/3/2017 5:08:20 PM EDT
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Any other predictions you'd like to share? I'm budgeting my purchases out to 12/31/2017. |
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Posted: 7/3/2017 5:58:00 PM EDT
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New Gemtech owners were bankers, guess they were looking for quick flip and got it. As we saw from AAC purchase, SWR purchase, this will NOT be good. |
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Posted: 7/3/2017 6:02:30 PM EDT
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Excellent, First Ruger, now S&W.... yes YES! YES!!!!! YES!!!!!!!
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Posted: 7/3/2017 7:53:46 PM EDT
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What does this mean for my old gemtech Halo? Was wanting to get it recorded and refinished. |
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Posted: 7/3/2017 8:29:38 PM EDT
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S&W isn't perfect, but they'll mail your gun back and forth as many times as needed, even past the warranty period, to get it running right. Maybe now s&w will warranty non-concentric threads.. |
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Posted: 7/3/2017 8:56:25 PM EDT
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I think the ATF41F recession will result in companies focusing less on sales (right now we see a lot of promotions and other product dumping) and instead focusing & investing in more R&D, the results of which will start to show up in 2018. This is painful for the companies a we have seen with layoffs and such, but it will position the companies much better when things pick up, which I think will start in 2018, regardless of HPA. It is just a matter of how fast they can R&D new stuff. There are some companies with holes in their product line and this is a great time to R&D and fill them. |
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Posted: 7/3/2017 11:46:27 PM EDT
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Sorry, not my experience. Maybe now s&w will warranty non-concentric threads.. |
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Posted: 7/4/2017 9:43:04 AM EDT
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My experience with multiple pistols. I have one Pro Series 1911 that's gone back five times, and two others that have gone back. Plus I've been shipped many parts at no charge even though they were normal wear and tear. Even after getting thru the normal csr, getting to the "gunsmith", he made the comment "we cant own suppressors, so how are we suppose to verify its right (he didnt use the word concentric)". I learned the hard way and now my barrels go to adco. Now, back to topic, im happy for the shareholders, sucks for customers. Consolidation is rarely better for the non-walmart type customer. |
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