We do 1m left/right of the suppressor muzzle which I believe is the straightforward reading of 1474D and like was said above, we just stick to it to keep data the same.

Moving the mic back 6-12 inches this position isn't going to change the domination of the supersonic shockwave over the single peak of the can, for quiet cans.  

Bottom line, the shockwave crack is louder than the muzzle report, for quiet cans, everywhere from the muzzle of can all the way back to the shooter's ear.  (on bolt guns obviously)

With the PULSE, it's easy to differentiate the different sound events so disambiguating shockwave vs. muzzle performance, action noise / port pop, is straightforward.

The Explorr utility mount comes with the plan A and an EZ brake.  

We have dual lok cans around the corner here, they will have the mount built in.  We also have a tubeless gate lok can in the works.  

Next month a promo is running buy a Utility mount Explorr get $100 off a Dual Lok mount, or buy a Dual Lok silencer, get a second muzzle device free.

LOL

Last calling station, say again using the phonetic alphabet, over.

I think we're at 2-3 weeks on the Dual Lok cans (the Dual Lok 5 and 7) and another maybe 2-3 on Dual Lok PSR 5 and 7 (Over the barrel).  
I'm not in the marketing department, so I don't know the hard date, but there is a scheduled launch date- it is waiting on videos, another testing video, photography etc.  I believe the HRT's need assembly and paint.  

I'm not sure if they were going to do a promo release on that can or just sell it- I only got their OK on sales of the HRT today.

There will be FDE cans lagging 4 weeks behind those.  We have FDE PVD lock rings and we have the initial samples and those cans are pretty cool looking for whoever was wondering what cans will be available in FDE.

That's probably going to be available behind the PSR's.  That can is kind of cool, as it is a 6.5", 6 baffle can that began life as a 6" 5 baffle can. We added a baffle to kill flash.  It is very high performance.  I think 14.4 ounces. We designed a new closed tine flash suppressor mount also for the Gate Lok series. Some people wanted to mount BFA's and stuff.

The cans should street around $800, there will be promos.  

Construction is really strong, I had one glowing over four baffles in noon daylight without a cloud in the sky at 4 magazines back to back on an 11.5” M16, and it didn’t fail, and I continued to run it for 28 rounds per minute for ten minutes (duration of the test) without letting it cool.  The can dropped the glowing in a little time maybe ten seconds during the 28 rounds per minute.  Shooting like that is total work, its stupid and you don’t even have time to aim except generally in an area.  The gun isn’t really built to run that hot.  You will have some failures to eject and the malfs are dangerous because out of battery cookoffs could happen.

The cans are light so they heat fast.  They were meant to be practical cans for duty/defense.  It would probably be a good rule of thumb to limit full auto to 60 rounds prior to picking up a sustained rate of fire.  Thats about an infantry combat load in 5:15. No duty situation will require that rate of fire.

Suppression is maybe 3dbs louder than a Recce 5. Flash suppression is total darkness after the first round. That was kind of a big work up.  

They are neat in that they have a locking mount, and high durability and they weigh 11.8 ounces.

Recently I got an invite to show some products to a military procurement group.  All the feedback I got is that the user isn’t happy with weight, length, sound, or flash performance of the current suppressor which isn’t a terrible product.  

Thats not a lot of feedback because many of those items conflict.  So I am planning to show them 4 cans (2 each) from two different mount families.  

They haven’t actually narrowed it down to a set of characteristics that make it any more simple than that.

Solicitations like the FBI HRT solicitation create products where there was no need for a product.  They were running Socom RC2’s, which are actually 6.5” oal, but they needed a can to be 6.1” oal or less to be considered.  

So sometimes its not as simple as doing everything with one product.  Different requirements force different products to exist.

Most of my effort for two months and a lot of our production scheduling (programming, settup, proveout) and testing has gone to support of that one opportunity.  It may amount to nothing but it’s impossible (or at least very unlikely) to expect something to materialize from zero effort.

Those are two very different muzzle brakes. The references just come from a barrel and a suppressor mount (the host firearm).  Even if you are running an A2 you are changing sound vs blind muzzle.

Griffin has never historically sued anyone.  AAC did sue a user on here and I understand how sometimes a company has a reason to stop damaging false statements, but this is just more conversation from people who don’t appreciate comparative testing of products.  

I think its easy for people to forget that companies represent possibly 40 or more dedicated people working hard to make a brighter future for themselves and their families.  The companies do have to look out for whats best for their tens of thousands of customers and for their employees and for their employees families.  

Its not as simple as it looks with regard to things like litigation.  When people get sued things get complicated quickly and it begins to be pages of evidence vs pages of evidence and very convoluted paths to understanding both sides of something.

There isn’t any miss representation in saying, rather than singularly whine and bitch about our product not being tested for being about 7mm too long for the solicitation, and expecting the world to change in our favor with no effort on our part, we designed a product to fit the solicitation after the rejection of what we could ship in the twelve allotted days, and named it accordingly.  The product represents a solution for any similar future solicitation, so we don’t have to be in the same situation later.

We told the entire story in this thread, but a group of people want to inject drama where it doesn’t exist, and suggest we are trying to deceive people.

We’ll make sure and put something on the product page when it exists- this thread and video are the first public showing of the product so we are currently telling the full story in the only place that makes sense.  We also want the HRT team members to know, because if the OSS product doesn’t make them happy we want them to know this is a category product designed around their requirements. We also want every agency and service branch to know we are ok working toward their goals.

We have no desire to deceive.  We want educated customers.

Dugan was engaged in slander.  He was calling it humor, but it was slander.    You are somewhat non objectively implying we don’t have character.  I am a combat veteran. This company is owned by two combat veterans. There are several veterans that work here.  We often hire veterans.  The character that I have is shown in the commitments we honor to our employees, vendors, and to our customers over time.  I was just at NRA. Not one customer said something negative to me there.  I was kind of impressed with the positivity of the NRA attendees (that is a customer / public show)  I appreciated that, as it was a test of “how are we doing?”   There can be a lot of negativity.  It’s been that way for the entire history of the company.  We didn't come from money.  I literally put combat pay and contracting pay into this company, where a lot of suppressor companies that start with one of more wealthy people and just pop up overnight.  Coming up from like $24,000 startup money in a competitive industry especially one where Kevin was present and mobilizing a goon squad, and also just being a (formerly) young person learning lessons in business was not easy.  A lot of attacks, but I have to put my best foot forward, and that’s been the plan for years and its working out.

I can say Phil Dater was a very nice person.  I visited his home in like 2007 with my brother and took one of our 5.56mm cans there, and I metered that can with him, and it metered 134DB Mil STD on a 14.5" M4 Carbine.  It was great to meet one of the people I read about when I was a kid.  Ron Allen of Allen Engineering was always a great person in this industry.  David Saylors of Liberty Suppressors is a pretty nice guy.  Otherwise its a very competitive industry.


We wanted to reduce backpressure, and to work muzzle flash in an unorthodox way.  The feature improves the suppressors flash reduction performance. It did require some developmental work to get it operational, but when we compare flash to another low toxic gas design like the SIG SLX-556QD which is probably a pretty advanced design in its own right, we did well.  The feature is working out.  The tubeless cans don't have as excellent of muzzle flash characteristics as the tube over cans, so the flash suppressor design became more important.  

When you run a 40 person company you can't literally do everyone's job for them- the company works like 1500 or more hours per week, no one person can cover that amount of time.  We definitely owned the problems and did the repair work.  We began to test fire suppressors around that time in order to try to improve QC, because the problem was unique in that the cans worked but had a rattling noise.  We also changed the welding process and repaired all the cans under warranty.  It’s another phenomenon how if someone has a problem with another brand and that brand repairs the product, they are “great guys”, but if we repair a product we are total shitheads.  That should tell you something is off here and that people are not being impartial with their application of these concepts.
We want every product to be as excellent as possible. We regret any customer service situation, especially if we caused it to happen, but we do stand behind the product, and that’s all people can ask companies to do.  

If you have a 3 gun stage that runs through 10 mags, if the rate of fire exceeds 28 rounds a minute for that stage of 300 rounds, I think I would recommend an M4SD-K, or a Recce 5, or HRT- one of the heavier models.   28 rounds a minute is really fast for something getting over 100 rounds which is pushing into a sustained category, and 10 magazines is a lot of heat generation.  This answer also applies to an 11.5” barrel.  If you have a 16” barrel the fire schedules that are more aggressive are not as hard on the suppressor because the pressure is lower, and the heat generation is lower.
If you see red (glowing) in daylight that’s a time to reduce a rate of fire on the Explorr.