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Posted: 2/21/2012 2:07:25 PM EDT
yes i know stupid question, but they are the same bullet right, one is just green and the other red?
Link Posted: 2/21/2012 2:24:22 PM EDT
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Believe so
Link Posted: 2/21/2012 2:35:19 PM EDT
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No, the green one has the super secret zombie killing compound inside.
Link Posted: 2/21/2012 2:39:46 PM EDT
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I think so to. Just a sales pitch.
Just like Barnes with there 70gr TacX and TSX
Link Posted: 2/21/2012 2:41:12 PM EDT
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good, i think the green is better looking than the red
Link Posted: 2/21/2012 2:46:30 PM EDT
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are they a good bullet to use for accuracy? under a moa?
Link Posted: 2/21/2012 3:28:44 PM EDT
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Vmax Zmax are both good bullets for accuracy. After all you have to make all head shots on zombies
Link Posted: 2/21/2012 4:07:31 PM EDT
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ZMAX is for Zombies only.
 
Link Posted: 2/21/2012 6:48:28 PM EDT
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its weird that you can get a box of 500 zmax for $64 but 500 vmax are $88
Link Posted: 2/21/2012 8:34:33 PM EDT
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Z-max and V-max are not 100% the same....the Z-max uses the AMP jacket found in their Match bullet line.
Link Posted: 2/21/2012 9:56:49 PM EDT
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So the Z-max is the same as the A-max then?
Link Posted: 2/21/2012 11:23:25 PM EDT
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I just recieved my order today from Midway. Im ready to start loading these as soon I get a load worked up just right. They are the very same projectile as the V-Max.







Link Posted: 2/22/2012 5:00:02 AM EDT
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such a great marketing campain
Link Posted: 2/22/2012 7:56:49 AM EDT
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Yep They do look cool! The packaging and presentation of a product makes a world of difference.



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such a great marketing campain


Link Posted: 2/22/2012 8:02:30 AM EDT
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its weird that you can get a box of 500 zmax for $64 but 500 vmax are $88


Really? I need to order some Z-max then
Link Posted: 2/22/2012 8:03:21 AM EDT
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its weird that you can get a box of 500 zmax for $64 but 500 vmax are $88


Do you have a link?

Link Posted: 2/22/2012 8:13:10 AM EDT
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its weird that you can get a box of 500 zmax for $64 but 500 vmax are $88


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ETA: I had an order in with midsouth for a Rangemaster scale, redding trickler, and the Z-Max projos for over a month. Last Friday i canceled the order due to the fact they had back ordered the Z-max. I called Midway after i hung up with Midsouth and ordered the same things and got them on Tuesday......just saying

Link Posted: 2/22/2012 8:16:10 AM EDT
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its weird that you can get a box of 500 zmax for $64 but 500 vmax are $88


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Thanks!

I want to know if the cannelure effects accurracy. With the non cannelure 55gr Vmax 5 will go onto the same hole.
Link Posted: 2/22/2012 8:18:24 AM EDT
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its weird that you can get a box of 500 zmax for $64 but 500 vmax are $88


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Thanks!

I want to know if the cannelure effects accurracy. With the non cannelure 55gr Vmax 5 will go onto the same hole.


I have been working up my load with the non cannelure and havent seen that good of accuracy out of my BM carbine.......BUT im not that good of a shot either. when i do a little more testing i will throw together some of the Z-Max and do a comparison.

Link Posted: 2/22/2012 9:59:09 AM EDT
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its weird that you can get a box of 500 zmax for $64 but 500 vmax are $88


Do you have a link?



I just ordered 1k to try them out. Make sure you use the discount code if ya do order for the members of ARF

$10 off $50+ - Promo Code AR15210
$15 off $100+ - Promo Code AR15215
$25 off $200+ - Promo Code AR15225
$35 off $300+ - Promo Code AR15235
Link Posted: 2/22/2012 12:39:29 PM EDT
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its weird that you can get a box of 500 zmax for $64 but 500 vmax are $88


Do you have a link?



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Thanks!

I want to know if the cannelure effects accurracy. With the non cannelure 55gr Vmax 5 will go onto the same hole.


I have been working up my load with the non cannelure and havent seen that good of accuracy out of my BM carbine.......BUT im not that good of a shot either. when i do a little more testing i will throw together some of the Z-Max and do a comparison.



are you going to use the load data for V-Max on the Z-Max's?
Link Posted: 2/22/2012 10:35:34 PM EDT
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its weird that you can get a box of 500 zmax for $64 but 500 vmax are $88


Do you have a link?



Link



Thanks!

I want to know if the cannelure effects accurracy. With the non cannelure 55gr Vmax 5 will go onto the same hole.


I have been working up my load with the non cannelure and havent seen that good of accuracy out of my BM carbine.......BUT im not that good of a shot either. when i do a little more testing i will throw together some of the Z-Max and do a comparison.



are you going to use the load data for V-Max on the Z-Max's?


I have been loading the V-Max per Hodgdons Info for H335 Powder using 55 gr SPR SP Projectile. DO you have any other load data for the V-Max? If so im interested in hearing it. I really didnt know what to use so i started out with the minimum load from Hodgdons load data.

I was going to use the same info for the Z-Max. Im up to 25gr of H335 and the best i have shot the V-Max is a 3" group off hand at 100yds. Im not a very good shot. Im going to load up more at that weight with my new digital scale and use a bench rest to test them out.  

Thanks

ETA: 25.3gr of H335 is the max load listed for the 55gr V-Max in the Lee Modern Reloading manual. With a minimum OAL of 2.200
Link Posted: 2/23/2012 5:46:20 AM EDT
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its weird that you can get a box of 500 zmax for $64 but 500 vmax are $88


Do you have a link?



Link



Thanks!

I want to know if the cannelure effects accurracy. With the non cannelure 55gr Vmax 5 will go onto the same hole.


I have been working up my load with the non cannelure and havent seen that good of accuracy out of my BM carbine.......BUT im not that good of a shot either. when i do a little more testing i will throw together some of the Z-Max and do a comparison.



are you going to use the load data for V-Max on the Z-Max's?


I have been loading the V-Max per Hodgdons Info for H335 Powder using 55 gr SPR SP Projectile. DO you have any other load data for the V-Max? If so im interested in hearing it. I really didnt know what to use so i started out with the minimum load from Hodgdons load data.

I was going to use the same info for the Z-Max. Im up to 25gr of H335 and the best i have shot the V-Max is a 3" group off hand at 100yds. Im not a very good shot. Im going to load up more at that weight with my new digital scale and use a bench rest to test them out.  

Thanks

ETA: 25.3gr of H335 is the max load listed for the 55gr V-Max in the Lee Modern Reloading manual. With a minimum OAL of 2.200


I am planning on using the same data you found on the v-max. I haven't found anything on the Z-max

I am also using h335 and am going to work up from 23.5g with a col of 2.225.
Link Posted: 2/23/2012 10:57:52 PM EDT
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its weird that you can get a box of 500 zmax for $64 but 500 vmax are $88


Do you have a link?



Link



Thanks!

I want to know if the cannelure effects accurracy. With the non cannelure 55gr Vmax 5 will go onto the same hole.


I have been working up my load with the non cannelure and havent seen that good of accuracy out of my BM carbine.......BUT im not that good of a shot either. when i do a little more testing i will throw together some of the Z-Max and do a comparison.



are you going to use the load data for V-Max on the Z-Max's?


I have been loading the V-Max per Hodgdons Info for H335 Powder using 55 gr SPR SP Projectile. DO you have any other load data for the V-Max? If so im interested in hearing it. I really didnt know what to use so i started out with the minimum load from Hodgdons load data.

I was going to use the same info for the Z-Max. Im up to 25gr of H335 and the best i have shot the V-Max is a 3" group off hand at 100yds. Im not a very good shot. Im going to load up more at that weight with my new digital scale and use a bench rest to test them out.  

Thanks

ETA: 25.3gr of H335 is the max load listed for the 55gr V-Max in the Lee Modern Reloading manual. With a minimum OAL of 2.200


I am planning on using the same data you found on the v-max. I haven't found anything on the Z-max

I am also using h335 and am going to work up from 23.5g with a col of 2.225.


If i don't get better results when i shoot from the bench rest i may start going back down from 25gr of h335.

I bought a inexpensive scope when i had the 25gr loads worked up. I shot off hand and didnt really get that great of a pattern, but i know it must have been mostly me.
I need one of them 5rnd mags so i can get a good comfortable position with my rifle.

Let me know your results. What rifle are you shooting these out of?

Peace

Link Posted: 2/24/2012 5:40:44 AM EDT
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its weird that you can get a box of 500 zmax for $64 but 500 vmax are $88


Do you have a link?



Link



Thanks!

I want to know if the cannelure effects accurracy. With the non cannelure 55gr Vmax 5 will go onto the same hole.


I have been working up my load with the non cannelure and havent seen that good of accuracy out of my BM carbine.......BUT im not that good of a shot either. when i do a little more testing i will throw together some of the Z-Max and do a comparison.



are you going to use the load data for V-Max on the Z-Max's?


I have been loading the V-Max per Hodgdons Info for H335 Powder using 55 gr SPR SP Projectile. DO you have any other load data for the V-Max? If so im interested in hearing it. I really didnt know what to use so i started out with the minimum load from Hodgdons load data.

I was going to use the same info for the Z-Max. Im up to 25gr of H335 and the best i have shot the V-Max is a 3" group off hand at 100yds. Im not a very good shot. Im going to load up more at that weight with my new digital scale and use a bench rest to test them out.  

Thanks

ETA: 25.3gr of H335 is the max load listed for the 55gr V-Max in the Lee Modern Reloading manual. With a minimum OAL of 2.200


I am planning on using the same data you found on the v-max. I haven't found anything on the Z-max

I am also using h335 and am going to work up from 23.5g with a col of 2.225.


If i don't get better results when i shoot from the bench rest i may start going back down from 25gr of h335.

I bought a inexpensive scope when i had the 25gr loads worked up. I shot off hand and didnt really get that great of a pattern, but i know it must have been mostly me.
I need one of them 5rnd mags so i can get a good comfortable position with my rifle.

Let me know your results. What rifle are you shooting these out of?

Peace



I'll post a report once I get out to the range. They where suppose to be here today but ups fell a day behind I was going to work them up tonight for testing tomorrow.

shooting a RRA 16" middy with a 1&9 3.5x12x44 Nikon m-223 scope


Link Posted: 2/24/2012 6:06:16 AM EDT
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Glad to see other people using same load data for z-max because I just did that for my target rifle. The Z-max bullets are insanely cheap. From what I have read the AMP jacket is cheaper to manufacture...but not certain. I use 24.5gr of Varget set to 2.298 in my single shot bolt gun. I get 3200 FPS from that load and it is not even at the max for my rifle...just the best shooting =)
Link Posted: 2/24/2012 8:51:40 AM EDT
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its weird that you can get a box of 500 zmax for $64 but 500 vmax are $88


Do you have a link?



Link



Thanks!

I want to know if the cannelure effects accurracy. With the non cannelure 55gr Vmax 5 will go onto the same hole.


I have been working up my load with the non cannelure and havent seen that good of accuracy out of my BM carbine.......BUT im not that good of a shot either. when i do a little more testing i will throw together some of the Z-Max and do a comparison.



are you going to use the load data for V-Max on the Z-Max's?


I have been loading the V-Max per Hodgdons Info for H335 Powder using 55 gr SPR SP Projectile. DO you have any other load data for the V-Max? If so im interested in hearing it. I really didnt know what to use so i started out with the minimum load from Hodgdons load data.

I was going to use the same info for the Z-Max. Im up to 25gr of H335 and the best i have shot the V-Max is a 3" group off hand at 100yds. Im not a very good shot. Im going to load up more at that weight with my new digital scale and use a bench rest to test them out.  

Thanks

ETA: 25.3gr of H335 is the max load listed for the 55gr V-Max in the Lee Modern Reloading manual. With a minimum OAL of 2.200


I am planning on using the same data you found on the v-max. I haven't found anything on the Z-max

I am also using h335 and am going to work up from 23.5g with a col of 2.225.


If i don't get better results when i shoot from the bench rest i may start going back down from 25gr of h335.

I bought a inexpensive scope when i had the 25gr loads worked up. I shot off hand and didnt really get that great of a pattern, but i know it must have been mostly me.
I need one of them 5rnd mags so i can get a good comfortable position with my rifle.

Let me know your results. What rifle are you shooting these out of?

Peace



I'll post a report once I get out to the range. They where suppose to be here today but ups fell a day behind I was going to work them up tonight for testing tomorrow.

shooting a RRA 16" middy with a 1&9 3.5x12x44 Nikon m-223 scope

[email=http://www.flickr.com/photos/66009430@N06/6053979140/]http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6188/6053979140_b0d75dfa62_b.jpg[/email]


Nice set up. Is that at the range or your back yard?
Link Posted: 2/24/2012 8:54:40 AM EDT
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Glad to see other people using same load data for z-max because I just did that for my target rifle. The Z-max bullets are insanely cheap. From what I have read the AMP jacket is cheaper to manufacture...but not certain. I use 24.5gr of Varget set to 2.298 in my single shot bolt gun. I get 3200 FPS from that load and it is not even at the max for my rifle...just the best shooting =)


I have some Varget, but i never tried it with the V-Max. I tried it with the Hornady FMJBT projos and didnt like the soot that i was getting on all of my fired cases.

Do you shoot that load in a AR-15?

Link Posted: 2/24/2012 9:29:23 AM EDT
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I'll post a report once I get out to the range. They where suppose to be here today but ups fell a day behind I was going to work them up tonight for testing tomorrow.

shooting a RRA 16" middy with a 1&9 3.5x12x44 Nikon m-223 scope

[email=http://www.flickr.com/photos/66009430@N06/6053979140/]http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6188/6053979140_b0d75dfa62_b.jpg[/email]


Nice set up. Is that at the range or your back yard?


Its at a range a few miles from my house. not a very well keep up place but its cheap and i am usually the only person there during any given week day. and they have 100-600 yard's to shoot.
Link Posted: 2/25/2012 10:13:18 AM EDT
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Mail man came at 11 this am, and i just finished working up a few loads for the z-max. i worked up 8 of each, 24, 24.5, 24.8, 25, 25.3 all seated to 2.250

I am hoping i can get out to the range tomorrow to test them out. will post range report if i do.

i did notice that the copper jackets seem a little soft, the seating die left pretty bad scratches on some of the bullets and i didn't like the fact that they are not boat tails and are a pain to seat.
Link Posted: 2/25/2012 1:34:16 PM EDT
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Mail man came at 11 this am, and i just finished working up a few loads for the z-max. i worked up 8 of each, 24, 24.5, 24.8, 25, 25.3 all seated to 2.250

I am hoping i can get out to the range tomorrow to test them out. will post range report if i do.

i did notice that the copper jackets seem a little soft, the seating die left pretty bad scratches on some of the bullets and i didn't like the fact that they are not boat tails and are a pain to seat.


Yeah, they are a real pain on the hand press I just loaded up 10 of the 55gr Z-Max and 15 of the 55gr V-Max  Both in LC brass with 25gr of H-335 OAL of 2.235.

I will compare the 2 and also report the findings.

Link Posted: 2/25/2012 2:51:05 PM EDT
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Mail man came at 11 this am, and i just finished working up a few loads for the z-max. i worked up 8 of each, 24, 24.5, 24.8, 25, 25.3 all seated to 2.250

I am hoping i can get out to the range tomorrow to test them out. will post range report if i do.

i did notice that the copper jackets seem a little soft, the seating die left pretty bad scratches on some of the bullets and i didn't like the fact that they are not boat tails and are a pain to seat.


Yeah, they are a real pain on the hand press I just loaded up 10 of the 55gr Z-Max and 15 of the 55gr V-Max  Both in LC brass with 25gr of H-335 OAL of 2.235.

I will compare the 2 and also report the findings.



cant wait i ordered 3 boxes. i usually love the 55 grain v max. mine shot good with varget and h335. that promo code is still good too!

Link Posted: 2/26/2012 11:26:16 AM EDT
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So i was able to get to the range and test them out his morning.

All shots where fired through RRA 16" heavy barrel AR with a 1&9 twist

Looks like my winning load is 25.3g of H335 COL of 2.250

This is my load of the Hornady 55g FMJBT with 25g H335



and again



Factory black box American Eagle 223 55g FMJ  Two 10 round groups (i usually get better than this)



again



Now to the Z-Max











And a work up of M856 Tracers
One shot each including a factory round shot
I went back to the 600 yard range to test the rest, 7 more of each load. I noticed that compared to factory rounds, my hand loads where much brighter burring but i think it was because they where also much slower. I had my loads shooting at 400 yards hitting milk jugs and fired a factory round that hit the top of the 15ft berm at 600 yards. So my rounds are not near as hot, but are more visible so i think ill keep them light.



When i got to the range and set up, there was a guy with his chronograph out testing some of his 30.06 loads and was nice enough to let me run my rounds.

I tested:

Z-Max 25g H335 COL 2.250   2981, 2946, 2954   Avg. 2960
Z-Max 25.3g H335 COL 2.250   2997, 2996, 3006   Avg. 3000

My 55g FMJBT 25g H335 COL 2.200    2854, 2916, 2932  Avg. 2900

American Eagle black box .223 FMJ 2832, 2772, 2754     Avg. 2786

Edt: forgot to add that i had a 8-15 mph cross wind with gust to 20 which might explain why the groups are not that great overall
Link Posted: 2/26/2012 9:58:03 PM EDT
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Where the tracers fired from a 1:9 16" barrel? If so I'm ordering another 3000
Link Posted: 2/26/2012 10:47:40 PM EDT
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Nice report. I hope to get some shooting done real soon. it has rained here all weekend
Link Posted: 2/27/2012 3:29:14 AM EDT
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So i was able to get to the range and test them out his morning.

All shots where fired through RRA 16" heavy barrel AR with a 1&9 twist

Looks like my winning load is 25.3g of H335 COL of 2.250

This is my load of the Hornady 55g FMJBT with 25g H335

[email=mailto:http://www.flickr.com/photos/66009430@N06/6932535523/]http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7182/6932535523_2d3e26d58d_b.jpg[/email]

and again

[email=mailto:http://www.flickr.com/photos/66009430@N06/6786417228/]http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7184/6786417228_06b38f98d1_b.jpg[/email]

Factory black box American Eagle 223 55g FMJ  Two 10 round groups (i usually get better than this)

[email=mailto:http://www.flickr.com/photos/66009430@N06/6932532797/]http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7056/6932532797_c010269ce8_b.jpg[/email]

again

[email=mailto:http://www.flickr.com/photos/66009430@N06/6786414404/]http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7185/6786414404_3b49675c27_b.jpg[/email]

Now to the Z-Max

[email=mailto:http://www.flickr.com/photos/66009430@N06/6932530003/]http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7189/6932530003_9b11dd1dd4_b.jpg[/email]

[email=mailto:http://www.flickr.com/photos/66009430@N06/6932528631/]http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7053/6932528631_5f1da82a11_b.jpg[/email]

[email=mailto:http://www.flickr.com/photos/66009430@N06/6932525831/]http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7179/6932525831_5fe887f635_b.jpg[/email]

[email=mailto:http://www.flickr.com/photos/66009430@N06/6786407058/]http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7181/6786407058_8e7f11d140_b.jpg[/email]

[email=mailto:http://www.flickr.com/photos/66009430@N06/6786404202/]http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7201/6786404202_aea2fbb89a_b.jpg[/email]

And a work up of M856 Tracers
One shot each including a factory round shot
I went back to the 600 yard range to test the rest, 7 more of each load. I noticed that compared to factory rounds, my hand loads where much brighter burring but i think it was because they where also much slower. I had my loads shooting at 400 yards hitting milk jugs and fired a factory round that hit the top of the 15ft berm at 600 yards. So my rounds are not near as hot, but are more visible so i think ill keep them light.

[email=mailto:http://www.flickr.com/photos/66009430@N06/6932527227/]http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7207/6932527227_af6f842f9c_b.jpg[/email]

When i got to the range and set up, there was a guy with his chronograph out testing some of his 30.06 loads and was nice enough to let me run my rounds.

I tested:

Z-Max 25g H335 COL 2.250   2981, 2946, 2954   Avg. 2960
Z-Max 25.3g H335 COL 2.250   2997, 2996, 3006   Avg. 3000

My 55g FMJBT 25g H335 COL 2.200    2854, 2916, 2932  Avg. 2900

American Eagle black box .223 FMJ 2832, 2772, 2754     Avg. 2786

Edt: forgot to add that i had a 8-15 mph cross wind with gust to 20 which might explain why the groups are not that great overall


I see the website for those targets you printed and tried going to to it. My computer here at home blocked that page saying there was a "malware" on that page and cautioned me from opening it.


edit: there's 2 ways to skin a cat................ I went in another way from the home page and it took me right to it with no warning.
Link Posted: 2/27/2012 3:37:10 AM EDT
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So i was able to get to the range and test them out his morning.

All shots where fired through RRA 16" heavy barrel AR with a 1&9 twist

Looks like my winning load is 25.3g of H335 COL of 2.250

This is my load of the Hornady 55g FMJBT with 25g H335

[email=mailto:http://www.flickr.com/photos/66009430@N06/6932535523/]http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7182/6932535523_2d3e26d58d_b.jpg[/email]

and again

[email=mailto:http://www.flickr.com/photos/66009430@N06/6786417228/]http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7184/6786417228_06b38f98d1_b.jpg[/email]

Factory black box American Eagle 223 55g FMJ  Two 10 round groups (i usually get better than this)

[email=mailto:http://www.flickr.com/photos/66009430@N06/6932532797/]http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7056/6932532797_c010269ce8_b.jpg[/email]

again

[email=mailto:http://www.flickr.com/photos/66009430@N06/6786414404/]http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7185/6786414404_3b49675c27_b.jpg[/email]

Now to the Z-Max

[email=mailto:http://www.flickr.com/photos/66009430@N06/6932530003/]http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7189/6932530003_9b11dd1dd4_b.jpg[/email]

[email=mailto:http://www.flickr.com/photos/66009430@N06/6932528631/]http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7053/6932528631_5f1da82a11_b.jpg[/email]

[email=mailto:http://www.flickr.com/photos/66009430@N06/6932525831/]http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7179/6932525831_5fe887f635_b.jpg[/email]

[email=mailto:http://www.flickr.com/photos/66009430@N06/6786407058/]http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7181/6786407058_8e7f11d140_b.jpg[/email]

[email=mailto:http://www.flickr.com/photos/66009430@N06/6786404202/]http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7201/6786404202_aea2fbb89a_b.jpg[/email]

And a work up of M856 Tracers
One shot each including a factory round shot
I went back to the 600 yard range to test the rest, 7 more of each load. I noticed that compared to factory rounds, my hand loads where much brighter burring but i think it was because they where also much slower. I had my loads shooting at 400 yards hitting milk jugs and fired a factory round that hit the top of the 15ft berm at 600 yards. So my rounds are not near as hot, but are more visible so i think ill keep them light.

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When i got to the range and set up, there was a guy with his chronograph out testing some of his 30.06 loads and was nice enough to let me run my rounds.

I tested:

Z-Max 25g H335 COL 2.250   2981, 2946, 2954   Avg. 2960
Z-Max 25.3g H335 COL 2.250   2997, 2996, 3006   Avg. 3000

My 55g FMJBT 25g H335 COL 2.200    2854, 2916, 2932  Avg. 2900

American Eagle black box .223 FMJ 2832, 2772, 2754     Avg. 2786

Edt: forgot to add that i had a 8-15 mph cross wind with gust to 20 which might explain why the groups are not that great overall


I see the website for those targets you printed and tried going to to it. My computer here at home blocked that page saying there was a "malware" on that page and cautioned me from opening it.


edit: there's 2 ways to skin a cat................ I went in another way from the home page and it took me right to it with no warning.


Or you could get them HERE

Link Posted: 2/27/2012 5:24:51 AM EDT
[#37]
Quoted:
Where the tracers fired from a 1:9 16" barrel? If so I'm ordering another 3000


yup, they where
Link Posted: 2/27/2012 6:25:40 AM EDT
[#38]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Glad to see other people using same load data for z-max because I just did that for my target rifle. The Z-max bullets are insanely cheap. From what I have read the AMP jacket is cheaper to manufacture...but not certain. I use 24.5gr of Varget set to 2.298 in my single shot bolt gun. I get 3200 FPS from that load and it is not even at the max for my rifle...just the best shooting =)


I have some Varget, but i never tried it with the V-Max. I tried it with the Hornady FMJBT projos and didnt like the soot that i was getting on all of my fired cases.

Do you shoot that load in a AR-15?



No, I shoot it in a Savage LRPV.
Link Posted: 2/27/2012 7:30:06 AM EDT
[#39]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Where the tracers fired from a 1:9 16" barrel? If so I'm ordering another 3000


yup, they where


Just shot great in my 16" 1:9 too.

Here are the chrono results. (I only chrono 1-3 of each as I only made 1-3)

LC08 Nato 1x fired brass
CCI 41 Primer
Pulled M856 loaded to top of cannelure
H335 Powder


22.5gr
2622fps

23.0gr
2645fps
2666fps

23.5gr
2700fps

24.0gr
2722fps
2724fps
2722fps


I wish I would have made more of the 24.0gr because those velocities were consistent, yes I know thats only 3 rounds



At 50 yards they were shooting low left. I have no clue how they were shooting at 100, but I shot one on paper to make sure they were not tumbling. I didn't see any light, but I couldnt tell for sure.
Link Posted: 2/27/2012 7:54:34 AM EDT
[#40]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
Where the tracers fired from a 1:9 16" barrel? If so I'm ordering another 3000


yup, they where


Just shot great in my 16" 1:9 too.

Here are the chrono results. (I only chrono 1-3 of each as I only made 1-3)

LC08 Nato 1x fired brass
CCI 41 Primer
Pulled M856 loaded to top of cannelure
H335 Powder


22.5gr
2622fps

23.0gr
2645fps
2666fps

23.5gr
2700fps

24.0gr
2722fps
2724fps
2722fps


I wish I would have made more of the 24.0gr because those velocities were consistent, yes I know thats only 3 rounds



At 50 yards they were shooting low left. I have no clue how they were shooting at 100, but I shot one on paper to make sure they were not tumbling. I didn't see any light, but I couldnt tell for sure.


Thanks for the info. i think i am going to load mine at 24 of h335 just to make it an even number.

When testing mine i dident notice them lighting off till around 200 yards, but it was also bright and sunny out.
Link Posted: 2/27/2012 7:16:44 PM EDT
[#41]
anyone else had a chance to load up some z-max's?

Im starting to get worried that my 25.3gr load of h335 is to hot.

Everything that i have read says that around 23.8gr is max load for that bullet

i dident see any signs of overpressure, but it did feel a little on the warm side, and had an average of 3000 fps which is pretty fast out of a 16" barrel from what i have read.

just looking for others info before i crank out 500 or 1k of these
Link Posted: 2/27/2012 7:39:37 PM EDT
[#42]
Quoted:
anyone else had a chance to load up some z-max's?

Im starting to get worried that my 25.3gr load of h335 is to hot.

Everything that i have read says that around 23.8gr is max load for that bullet

i dident see any signs of overpressure, but it did feel a little on the warm side, and had an average of 3000 fps which is pretty fast out of a 16" barrel from what i have read.

just looking for others info before i crank out 500 or 1k of these


I'll never encourage anyone to load over max, however, you could check 5.56 pressure data for H335 before you start worrying too much.  There should be some out there somewhere.
Link Posted: 2/27/2012 8:03:24 PM EDT
[#43]
I think people had issues with pushing Vmax projectiles too fast in faster twist barrels such as 1:7. I think the projectiles basically rip themselves apart.
Link Posted: 2/28/2012 2:18:42 AM EDT
[#44]
Quoted:
I think people had issues with pushing Vmax projectiles too fast in faster twist barrels such as 1:7. I think the projectiles basically rip themselves apart.


So 1:9 is cool then?

Link Posted: 2/28/2012 2:25:20 AM EDT
[#45]
Quoted:
anyone else had a chance to load up some z-max's?

Im starting to get worried that my 25.3gr load of h335 is to hot.

Everything that i have read says that around 23.8gr is max load for that bullet

i dident see any signs of overpressure, but it did feel a little on the warm side, and had an average of 3000 fps which is pretty fast out of a 16" barrel from what i have read.

just looking for others info before i crank out 500 or 1k of these



I went back and looked at the Lee load data for this combo and it shows a starting load with 23gr of h-335 and a do not excede of 25.3gr of h-335.

i have yet to shoot th Z-Max but the V-Max shoots fine at 25gr of H-335.


Link Posted: 3/14/2012 4:24:31 PM EDT
[#46]
i posted this in another thread but wanted to add it here if anyone was keeping up with it, or looking for load data for the Z-Max

This is my Varget workup
5 shots per group
100 yards
75 degrees
8-12 mph cross wind
FC once fired brass
CCI BR4 primers
Z-max 55g pill
COL 2.235  







This was a mixed brass shot. The three on the left where FC and the two on the right are LC. I dident notice i had the LC brass until i loaded them in the mag and shot the LC last




I had a few extra 27.8 loads and tested them on some turtles at a little past 300 yards. 6 shots and 6 deceased turtles
I wasn't able to recover any of the remains to see the damage, but on 4 of them parts rained down on the water for a good 4 seconds

Im going to leave the H335 for FMJ plinking rounds, and work up the rest of the Z-Max's with 27.5 grs of Varget
I did not see any pressure signs at 27.8, and would have gone higher but the case is completely full of powder at 27.8
Link Posted: 3/14/2012 4:58:05 PM EDT
[#47]
I ordered a 500 round box of 55 grain, a 500 round box of 50 grain and a 500 round box of 32 grain 20 cal for a 204 ruger. All Zmax bullets from Chattanooga Shooting Supplies.
I loaded some of the 55's for my 22-250 and used 32.6 grain of Benchmark and 35 grain of Varget. I'll try to see how they work out this weekend if the weather is good.

Quoted:
I just recieved my order today from Midway. Im ready to start loading these as soon I get a load worked up just right. They are the very same projectile as the V-Max.

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z25/tzapp/bullets/DSC07568.jpg

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z25/tzapp/bullets/DSC07569.jpg

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z25/tzapp/bullets/DSC07570.jpg

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z25/tzapp/bullets/DSC07572.jpg


Link Posted: 3/14/2012 7:11:02 PM EDT
[#48]
the varget work up looks nice. I have 1500 waiting. I think im going to use CFE223 for my work up. Your 27.5 grain load looks great. It got tighter as they sped up.
Link Posted: 4/3/2012 7:38:36 PM EDT
[#49]
Anybody know the brass trim to length for the 55 gr Z-Max W/C ?
Also what would be the correct OAL?
Link Posted: 4/3/2012 7:53:33 PM EDT
[#50]
Quoted:
Anybody know the brass trim to length for the 55 gr Z-Max W/C ?
Also what would be the correct OAL?


I trim to 1.750 and set the z's at 2.235
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