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Originally Posted By Steamedliver: I want one in 7.62x39. With 556 there are several factory bullpens available. |
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I sent them a message the other day asking when they where planing on releasing it. This is the response i received. Hi Jesse, We’re hard at work scaling production, shooting for end of April having a batch ready to go. We’d like to not do any type of preorder. Thanks for your interest and patience, Spencer Aly Aly and Kaufman LLC |
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Originally Posted By cherenkov: So what BRN-180 Upper configuration is the best one would order for easy integration into this kit? If your goal is to make a trailer park L85/SA80-ish rifle, then you probably need the 18.5" BRN180 upper. I think if you use the 16" upper you need to install a stock spacer that they show in a few of the prototype images to keep the OAL up to the right length. |
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| nice, looks like a dedicated lower rather than a kit. too bad that top handguard section isn't removable. but i'm sure it would be simple enough to chop that off to make room for a thermal and a weapon light. i suppose you don't need the handguard at all. those BCM rail covers would probably look nice with the black version of the lower. |
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Originally Posted By Shackleford_R: nice, looks like a dedicated lower rather than a kit. too bad that top handguard section isn't removable. but i'm sure it would be simple enough to chop that off to make room for a thermal and a weapon light. i suppose you don't need the handguard at all. those BCM rail covers would probably look nice with the black version of the lower. The polymer foreend is just an attachment to make it look more like an L85. It uses a regular BRN-180 upper, so it has a top picatinny rail and then MLOK all the way around. |
Enjoying my tester 5.56 10.5" SBR so far, the OAL is the smallest on the market for a 5.56 rifle, shorter than the desert tech micron (even if it had a 10.5 vs 11.5 barrel) and Bushmaster ARM pistol. Trigger is the best I've used on a bullpup. The KNS folding charging handle is really nice and keeps the gun much thinner in bags and cases. Not much handguard room on the 10.5 but thats just the nature of the beast, the larger trigger guard for your thumb and a KAC grip help a lot.    |
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Originally Posted By BigxCat: Enjoying my tester 5.56 10.5" SBR so far, the OAL is the smallest on the market for a 5.56 rifle, shorter than the desert tech micron (even if it had a 10.5 vs 11.5 barrel) and Bushmaster ARM pistol. Trigger is the best I've used on a bullpup. The KNS folding charging handle is really nice and keeps the gun much thinner in bags and cases. Not much handguard room on the 10.5 but thats just the nature of the beast, the larger trigger guard for your thumb and a KAC grip help a lot. https://i.imgur.com/2AZprnW.jpg https://i.imgur.com/GihrU1n.jpg https://i.imgur.com/NQ7q2Jw.jpg Kind of reminds me of a Groza |
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Originally Posted By Rabbit-Slayer: I sent them a message the other day asking when they where planing on releasing it. This is the response i received. Hi Jesse, We're hard at work scaling production, shooting for end of April having a batch ready to go. We'd like to not do any type of preorder. Thanks for your interest and patience, Spencer Aly Aly and Kaufman LLC Originally Posted By BigxCat: Enjoying my tester 5.56 10.5" SBR so far, the OAL is the smallest on the market for a 5.56 rifle, shorter than the desert tech micron (even if it had a 10.5 vs 11.5 barrel) and Bushmaster ARM pistol. Trigger is the best I've used on a bullpup. The KNS folding charging handle is really nice and keeps the gun much thinner in bags and cases. Not much handguard room on the 10.5 but thats just the nature of the beast, the larger trigger guard for your thumb and a KAC grip help a lot. https://i.imgur.com/2AZprnW.jpg https://i.imgur.com/GihrU1n.jpg https://i.imgur.com/NQ7q2Jw.jpg |
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Originally Posted By VTD: Id be wearing a welding glove shooting that   AKB-23 Bullpup |
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Originally Posted By BigxCat: Enjoying my tester 5.56 10.5" SBR so far, the OAL is the smallest on the market for a 5.56 rifle, shorter than the desert tech micron (even if it had a 10.5 vs 11.5 barrel) and Bushmaster ARM pistol. Trigger is the best I've used on a bullpup. The KNS folding charging handle is really nice and keeps the gun much thinner in bags and cases. Not much handguard room on the 10.5 but thats just the nature of the beast, the larger trigger guard for your thumb and a KAC grip help a lot. https://i.imgur.com/2AZprnW.jpg https://i.imgur.com/GihrU1n.jpg https://i.imgur.com/NQ7q2Jw.jpg LOP looks excessive for no reason. that grip is way ahead of the magwell. if it were shorter, you could definitely mount that foregip easier |
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Originally Posted By BigxCat: Enjoying my tester 5.56 10.5" SBR so far, the OAL is the smallest on the market for a 5.56 rifle, shorter than the desert tech micron (even if it had a 10.5 vs 11.5 barrel) and Bushmaster ARM pistol. Trigger is the best I've used on a bullpup. The KNS folding charging handle is really nice and keeps the gun much thinner in bags and cases. Not much handguard room on the 10.5 but thats just the nature of the beast, the larger trigger guard for your thumb and a KAC grip help a lot. https://i.imgur.com/2AZprnW.jpg https://i.imgur.com/GihrU1n.jpg https://i.imgur.com/NQ7q2Jw.jpg Neat - so basically run it like a P90. Very cool. I'd be very interested in this with a 12" Grendel BBL. or a 16" I suppose. Any accuracy reports? |
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Originally Posted By Shackleford_R: LOP looks excessive for no reason. that grip is way ahead of the magwell. if it were shorter, you could definitely mount that foregip easier Originally Posted By Shackleford_R: Originally Posted By BigxCat: Enjoying my tester 5.56 10.5" SBR so far, the OAL is the smallest on the market for a 5.56 rifle, shorter than the desert tech micron (even if it had a 10.5 vs 11.5 barrel) and Bushmaster ARM pistol. Trigger is the best I've used on a bullpup. The KNS folding charging handle is really nice and keeps the gun much thinner in bags and cases. Not much handguard room on the 10.5 but thats just the nature of the beast, the larger trigger guard for your thumb and a KAC grip help a lot. https://i.imgur.com/2AZprnW.jpg https://i.imgur.com/GihrU1n.jpg https://i.imgur.com/NQ7q2Jw.jpg LOP looks excessive for no reason. that grip is way ahead of the magwell. if it were shorter, you could definitely mount that foregip easier I'm pretty sure the LOP is less than an AUG |
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Originally Posted By cherenkov: would the 13.5 or 14.5 BRN-180 uppers work with the kit if an extension - and does it need to meet an AOL requirement that would equate to a longer than 16" barrel? You need an 18" barrel equivalent if not using a stock spacer to achieve 26" OAL. |
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Originally Posted By lazyengineer: Neat - so basically run it like a P90. Very cool. I'd be very interested in this with a 12" Grendel BBL. or a 16" I suppose. Any accuracy reports? Originally Posted By lazyengineer: Originally Posted By BigxCat: Enjoying my tester 5.56 10.5" SBR so far, the OAL is the smallest on the market for a 5.56 rifle, shorter than the desert tech micron (even if it had a 10.5 vs 11.5 barrel) and Bushmaster ARM pistol. Trigger is the best I've used on a bullpup. The KNS folding charging handle is really nice and keeps the gun much thinner in bags and cases. Not much handguard room on the 10.5 but thats just the nature of the beast, the larger trigger guard for your thumb and a KAC grip help a lot. https://i.imgur.com/2AZprnW.jpg https://i.imgur.com/GihrU1n.jpg https://i.imgur.com/NQ7q2Jw.jpg Neat - so basically run it like a P90. Very cool. I'd be very interested in this with a 12" Grendel BBL. or a 16" I suppose. Any accuracy reports? Accuracy should be equivalent to a regular BRN-180 upper |
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Originally Posted By Shackleford_R: LOP looks excessive for no reason. that grip is way ahead of the magwell. if it were shorter, you could definitely mount that foregip easier |
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Found this wooden training rifle online - would help get the details right if anyone was looking to make an accurate SA80 replica: Training Rifle |
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Originally Posted By 321silver: Took longer than we wanted but all the batch one parts are run just waiting on finishing processes final QC. Shooting for listing them middle of Dec. Spencer Aly and Kaufman LLC https://imgur.com/a/oUw56tn Good news - Might be time to look at the BRN-180 uppers. Note your Images aren't showing however. |
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Originally Posted By 321silver: Took longer than we wanted but all the batch one parts are run just waiting on finishing processes final QC. Shooting for listing them middle of Dec. Spencer Aly and Kaufman LLC https://imgur.com/a/oUw56tn Here I got ya 
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Nice - I had forgotten they had some with carry handle sights vs a SUSAT scope. I recall a very small batch of SUSATs coming in some 2 decades ago and never in quantity like we saw when the the British SUIT scopes surplussed. Are there still many in storage in Great Britain or ?? |
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Originally Posted By 321silver: It should, but not sure if it’s left side charging only or ambi. They did say gen2-2.5 is staying in production for now @321silver I know this would be getting away from the original intent of this lower and kit, but given that you're going to be possibly producing a model for the JAKL in the future (which would be an even further departure from an SA80), is there the possibility of making a lower with a forward mag release and AR style selector lever for the Gen 3? I've seen the leak for the Gen 3/Mk III upper, and it appears as though it's left side only, non-reciprocating. There's a couple of fosscad designs for lowers that could accommodate it, but I'm a fan of all aluminum 
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Originally Posted By Space-Cadet: @321silver I know this would be getting away from the original intent of this lower and kit, but given that you're going to be possibly producing a model for the JAKL in the future (which would be an even further departure from an SA80), is there the possibility of making a lower with a forward mag release and AR style selector lever for the Gen 3? I've seen the leak for the Gen 3/Mk III upper, and it appears as though it's left side only, non-reciprocating. There's a couple of fosscad designs for lowers that could accommodate it, but I'm a fan of all aluminum https://preview.redd.it/i-designed-a-psa-jakl-fm15-bullpup-lower-v0-bvtwemd8gqud1.jpg?width=6000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=073eb3d3baedb0747875748942d1d00c4440f52c @Space-Cadet It would be possible but require a bit of redesign on the front end, some things are a bit more difficult when you have to machine vs 3d print haha. The left side charging on gen3 BRN is a bit of a downer but 2.5 is still available for now, along with Fm15 and a few other options. |
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Originally Posted By 321silver: @Space-Cadet It would be possible but require a bit of redesign on the front end, some things are a bit more difficult when you have to machine vs 3d print haha. The left side charging on gen3 BRN is a bit of a downer but 2.5 is still available for now, along with Fm15 and a few other options. Originally Posted By 321silver: Originally Posted By Space-Cadet: @321silver I know this would be getting away from the original intent of this lower and kit, but given that you're going to be possibly producing a model for the JAKL in the future (which would be an even further departure from an SA80), is there the possibility of making a lower with a forward mag release and AR style selector lever for the Gen 3? I've seen the leak for the Gen 3/Mk III upper, and it appears as though it's left side only, non-reciprocating. There's a couple of fosscad designs for lowers that could accommodate it, but I'm a fan of all aluminum https://preview.redd.it/i-designed-a-psa-jakl-fm15-bullpup-lower-v0-bvtwemd8gqud1.jpg?width=6000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=073eb3d3baedb0747875748942d1d00c4440f52c @Space-Cadet It would be possible but require a bit of redesign on the front end, some things are a bit more difficult when you have to machine vs 3d print haha. The left side charging on gen3 BRN is a bit of a downer but 2.5 is still available for now, along with Fm15 and a few other options. @321silver I'm just thinking there's a real opportunity to make a really compelling bullpup rifle that would address the shortcomings of almost all bullpups on the market. Similar modularity as in an AR, the controls of an X95 or MDR without the accuracy shortcomings or reliability issues, and the ability to suppress it effectively. I would still keep manufacturing the current lower to allow for as close as possible SA80 as we can get in the states. Have y'all reached out to Brownells about possibly partnering for sales? It's seemingly a somewhat symbiotic relationship with the lower and the BRN-180 -- they might be able to produce a variant that's even closer (in aesthetics) to an L85A2 or A3. |
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Originally Posted By 321silver: @Space-Cadet It would be possible but require a bit of redesign on the front end, some things are a bit more difficult when you have to machine vs 3d print haha. The left side charging on gen3 BRN is a bit of a downer but 2.5 is still available for now, along with Fm15 and a few other options. Originally Posted By 321silver: Originally Posted By Space-Cadet: @321silver I know this would be getting away from the original intent of this lower and kit, but given that you're going to be possibly producing a model for the JAKL in the future (which would be an even further departure from an SA80), is there the possibility of making a lower with a forward mag release and AR style selector lever for the Gen 3? I've seen the leak for the Gen 3/Mk III upper, and it appears as though it's left side only, non-reciprocating. There's a couple of fosscad designs for lowers that could accommodate it, but I'm a fan of all aluminum https://preview.redd.it/i-designed-a-psa-jakl-fm15-bullpup-lower-v0-bvtwemd8gqud1.jpg?width=6000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=073eb3d3baedb0747875748942d1d00c4440f52c @Space-Cadet It would be possible but require a bit of redesign on the front end, some things are a bit more difficult when you have to machine vs 3d print haha. The left side charging on gen3 BRN is a bit of a downer but 2.5 is still available for now, along with Fm15 and a few other options. So to make the “feaux” SA80, I’ll need to snag a gen 2.5 Brn -180? |
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Originally Posted By Odinforever2000: I wonder how much the Akb-23 receiver and accessories (for the L85 at home) weighs? The 16” Gen 2 Brn 180 is 4.6 lbs. I held it at SHOT and at a guess I would say around 8 lbs give or take. Felt similar to an AUG or Tavor Sven Manticore Arms |
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Originally Posted By SpyHawk: So, a tad lighter than the real thing? Originally Posted By SpyHawk: Originally Posted By Manticore_Arms: I held it at SHOT and at a guess I would say around 8 lbs give or take. Felt similar to an AUG or Tavor Sven Manticore Arms So, a tad lighter than the real thing? I have not held a real SA80, but if they are 10-11 lbs as stated, then yes I would say this is lighter at the 8lb estimated weight i said. As I said befire, just a tough guesstimate on weight, I would recommend emailimg the guys who make it to ask the wreighy of the build they had on display at the MK booth, I would imagine they know or can check. The trigger had a crisp, metallic break to it. Kind of different, but nit bad. The reverse angle of the bottom of the trigger feels a little weird to me, but I understand why they did that with how the trigger bow has to swing in the space it is given. (To get the aesthetic they had to do a few clever things) Sven Manticore Arms |
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AKB-23 (BRN-180 Bullpup) (Page 2 of 4)
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