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[#1]
Of all my cans, this is the only one I've had a strike.
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[#2]
During a conjugal visit I had an endcap strike with my Obsidian45 shooting low-powered supersonic 45-70 rounds, however, I did not have Teflon tape on the direct thread adapter like I should have.
I really only grazed the endcap but it did give me something to consider moving forward. The baffles were good to go. Attached File I'm watching this thread closely. |
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[#3]
Originally Posted By TheBeaverRetriever: During a conjugal visit I had an endcap strike with my Obsidian45 shooting low-powered supersonic 45-70 rounds, however, I did not have Teflon tape on the direct thread adapter like I should have. I really only grazed the endcap but it did give me something to consider moving forward. The baffles were good to go. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/238591/1000009919_jpg-3196196.JPG I'm watching this thread closely. View Quote Rugged is the only can I own that says to teflon tape the threads.....personally, I think their design suppresses very well. But something in the design also leads to lots of baffle and end cap strikes. |
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[#4]
Everyone I personally know who owns an Obsidian 9, myself included, has had at minimum an endcap strike and a few with baffle strikes. I know more people who have Sierra 5's who've had fewer issues than an Obsidian 9. Great sounding can though.
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I have a thousand plus of 9mm and .38 spl. through mine with no strikes, direct thread.
I have estimated 500 plus through it with a Rugged piston and had one pretty bad endcap strike. Before I switched to EZ-LOK, I would only shoot it in the short (and wet) configuration to minimize the chances of another strike. |
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[#6]
For lack of a better term, all of this baffles me
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The sun shines on every dog's ass once in a while.
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Originally Posted By spot-remover: LOL, and indeed. Certainly someone has figured out what the flaw is. I just wish that person would tell us. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By spot-remover: Originally Posted By TheBeaverRetriever: For lack of a better term, all of this baffles me LOL, and indeed. Certainly someone has figured out what the flaw is. I just wish that person would tell us. I'm VERY surprised Rugged hasn't changed the design. In my email to them to told them "I know the negative voices are the loudest" and I am sure they have sold thousands of cans....but dog gone there are A LOT of Obsidian 9 owners who have had baffle and or end cap strikes. |
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Originally Posted By spot-remover: LOL, and indeed. Certainly someone has figured out what the flaw is. I just wish that person would tell us. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By spot-remover: Originally Posted By TheBeaverRetriever: For lack of a better term, all of this baffles me LOL, and indeed. Certainly someone has figured out what the flaw is. I just wish that person would tell us. and 45's with 9mm caps |
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Originally Posted By rookie421: Here is the bore on my end cap, .416 inches. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/81074/20240422_183921_jpg-3195360.JPG View Quote Well, shouldn’t be an issue of a narrow bore then… i think bullet dia +0.060 is pretty much the standard there…. |
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I often wonder if the threads on the rugged pistons/accessories are cut on the looser side of tolerances, causing issues with staying tight and causing baffle strikes.
The obsidian is basically the same thing as a Silencerco octane and the octane has been around for 10 years, with practically zero issues with end cap/baffle strikes. |
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Originally Posted By LaminarFlow: Were you using the full or short configuration of your O45 with the 9mm end cap when you have the end cap strikes? I think I read somewhere here about the same and Rugged only recommending using the 9mm end cap on the O45 in the short configuration. I haven’t read it directly from them though unless I missed it in their instruction booklet. View Quote Well that’s good to know! I hadn’t heard that and I’ve used the 9mm cap on the Obsidian 45 in long cfg w/o issues *yet* but only shooting 300 blk through it… I’ve only shot 9mm through with the 45 cap on it so far. I’ve course it would be a bit of a stretch to say I “read” the manual… I did open it once though! |
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Travis told me that they use 147gr ammo to test, so I now know that is gtg. They also want me to try it on my other PCC's with 3lug (Hahnson Bros 3lug with the Rugged 3lug adaptor. I'm a little hesitant. Probably still going to use the EZ Lok on my AK-V to make sure it has a super solid lock up. On my AR-V the can sits under the rail and that is not a fast shooting gun like the AK-V.
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Originally Posted By StrikeEagle15: This user had the same problems. After three trips back to rugged, Rugged says it’s not fixable. Poor manufacturing, or a design flaw. https://www.ar15.com/forums/Armory/-ARCHIVED-THREAD-More-baffle-strike-issues-UPDATE/20-525959/?page=1 View Quote That's not what happened. Rugged never said they couldn't fix it. |
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Originally Posted By SIGthusiast: More data. Mine from this last weekend. Not sure what gun I was using it on when it happened since I was swapping hosts. This is my second strike. I was using EZLok for both so it's not a guaranteed fix. https://i.imgur.com/jQC2SpV.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/XaUTHIL.jpeg View Quote again the end cap strike is inline with the clips in the baffles |
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Rob3220: "Walmart Ammo isn't good for anything. I don't think it even breaks skin. Rounds are made of compressed Jell-O, if I recall correctly." |
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Originally Posted By SIGthusiast: More data. Mine from this last weekend. Not sure what gun I was using it on when it happened since I was swapping hosts. This is my second strike. I was using EZLok for both so it's not a guaranteed fix. https://i.imgur.com/jQC2SpV.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/XaUTHIL.jpeg View Quote Originally Posted By DMG-LDS: again the end cap strike is inline with the clips in the baffles View Quote I'm wondering if short config is the only answer. I wish Rugged would address it. I told them in one of my emails this can is costing them and and the consumer a lot of extra $$. |
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[#18]
Bummer. I was literally going to do almost the same identical setup with my AKV. I talked with the same Travis from Rugged today after reading this thread last night. He indicated it wasn't a good idea" AKV's are known for having their barrels squared with the gas block vs barrel shoulder". I told him I'd take it as a warning. It's s just strange because I've talked to a few people with trilug setup and it didn't mention any issues. I did find a Alpha Mount from JMAC that looks promising.. However, it has exposed threads which is kindy funky. https://www.jmac-customs.com/2c-1-2-28-x12-alpha/
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Originally Posted By _Will_: Bummer. I was literally going to do almost the same identical setup with my AKV. I talked with the same Travis from Rugged today after reading this thread last night. He indicated it wasn't a good idea" AKV's are known for having their barrels squared with the gas block vs barrel shoulder". I told him I'd take it as a warning. It's s just strange because I've talked to a few people with trilug setup and it didn't mention any issues. I did find a Alpha Mount from JMAC that looks promising.. However, it has exposed threads which is kindy funky. https://www.jmac-customs.com/2c-1-2-28-x12-alpha/ View Quote I have a similar Jmac muzzle device on my PAP M82 and it has worked very well with my nomad 30. I bet it works well with the AKV. |
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Originally Posted By _Will_: Bummer. I was literally going to do almost the same identical setup with my AKV. I talked with the same Travis from Rugged today after reading this thread last night. He indicated it wasn't a good idea" AKV's are known for having their barrels squared with the gas block vs barrel shoulder". I told him I'd take it as a warning. It's s just strange because I've talked to a few people with trilug setup and it didn't mention any issues. I did find a Alpha Mount from JMAC that looks promising.. However, it has exposed threads which is kindy funky. https://www.jmac-customs.com/2c-1-2-28-x12-alpha/ View Quote AK-Vs are not know for having their barrels squared with the gas block. I even sent him pics of me installing my tri lug, showing it seating on the barrel shoulder and not the gas block. It isn't a 1960s Chinese AK with non concentric issues. It IS a can that gives lots of people end cap and baffle strikes on a variety of platforms though.... |
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[#21]
I know this does nothing for you OP but I was about to buy a 9 and 45 obsidian. But I will now pass and just get an octane 45.
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[#22]
I keep an eye on these threads as I have an Obsidian 9, but I run it in short configuration. It's come loose enough to affect accuracy but no strikes, knock on wood.
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New EE sucks! Bring back the old Equipment Exchange!
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[#23]
Originally Posted By JTR: Seeing this picture makes me wonder if other Obsidian strikes were lined up with the baffle notches? -I know some brands keep the notches aligned, others alternate 180*….. View Quote Friend has an obsidian9, it had a end cap strike on a 32acp gun of mine that has known good muzzle threads. The end cap damage was lined up with the baffle cuts. |
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Originally Posted By Blacktoothgrin: I keep an eye on these threads as I have an Obsidian 9, but I run it in short configuration. It's come loose enough to affect accuracy but no strikes, knock on wood. View Quote I have seen more than one person recommend the short setting to avoid strikes. I will probably start doing that. |
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[#25]
It's been at Rugged 1.5 weeks and haven't heard anything. I asked Travis for them to test the crap out of the can. Will update when I hear something.
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Originally Posted By StillGonnaSendIt: I know this does nothing for you OP but I was about to buy a 9 and 45 obsidian. But I will now pass and just get an octane 45. View Quote I'm not sure I would buy again. I bought Originally because it was SC made. Like my 556 can (which is an innovative Arms), I think it cool to have an SC made can, gun, and ammo. (PSA gun, AAC ammo). |
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Originally Posted By Morgan321: Friend has an obsidian9, it had a end cap strike on a 32acp gun of mine that has known good muzzle threads. The end cap damage was lined up with the baffle cuts. View Quote It has been proven that some of the subsonic cans can destabilize projectiles in flight(the early prodigy silencers were doing that). The baffle bore is aggressively asymmetric and may be yawing the base away from the cut and causing the bullet tip to move in the direction of impact. It also has seemed to be true that projectiles seek the center of an aperture and that oval aperture’s center is to the cut side of the bullet bore center, somewhat significantly. The bore on the can is .390” and it just doesn’t have a lot of clearance, but the Obsidian’s claim to fame is being 1-1/2DB more quiet than some market competitors and the tight bore can be a 1/2DB to 1DB difference too. It is really insignificant performance variation(where it even exists anymore because a lot of new cans and revisions were developed), but the market belief that the can outperforms others has sold a lot of obsidians. |
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Originally Posted By StillGonnaSendIt: I know this does nothing for you OP but I was about to buy a 9 and 45 obsidian. But I will now pass and just get an octane 45. View Quote SiCo website shows the Octane & Octane 2.0 are both now legacy products. Apparently no more new ones are currently being made. Warranty support should still be available if you find new, old stock somewhere. |
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[#30]
There is no can that gets more baffle strikes than the rugged obsidian.
I honestly don’t know why. |
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Originally Posted By Norinco982lover: There is no can that gets more baffle strikes than the rugged obsidian. I honestly don’t know why. View Quote ive often wondered this issue. we all know 1/2x28 sucks with staying tight, but everyone else ships their shit with this thread pitch and no one other MFG has nowhere NEAR this many problems (with respect to handgun cans). although it looks like if you read three posts above you, you'll have your answer. so, based off this info. the way i see it: the obsidian is a tight bore can that has no means of staying tight in its "stock" configuration. those two factors seem to make sense in a lot of people's issues with the obsidian. FWIW, i asked a rugged employee point blank what the issue is with obsidians and they blame 100% of it on the thread pitch and end users not checking the can enough. i think its also jank AF they just give you a 45 end cap if you tag your 9mm one enough. |
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Originally Posted By Mesooohoppy: ive often wondered this issue. we all know 1/2x28 sucks with staying tight, but everyone else ships their shit with this thread pitch and no one other MFG has nowhere NEAR this many problems (with respect to handgun cans). although it looks like if you read three posts above you, you'll have your answer. so, based off this info. the way i see it: the obsidian is a tight bore can that has no means of staying tight in its "stock" configuration. those two factors seem to make sense in a lot of people's issues with the obsidian. FWIW, i asked a rugged employee point blank what the issue is with obsidians and they blame 100% of it on the thread pitch and end users not checking the can enough. i think its also jank AF they just give you a 45 end cap if you tag your 9mm one enough. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Mesooohoppy: Originally Posted By Norinco982lover: There is no can that gets more baffle strikes than the rugged obsidian. I honestly don’t know why. ive often wondered this issue. we all know 1/2x28 sucks with staying tight, but everyone else ships their shit with this thread pitch and no one other MFG has nowhere NEAR this many problems (with respect to handgun cans). although it looks like if you read three posts above you, you'll have your answer. so, based off this info. the way i see it: the obsidian is a tight bore can that has no means of staying tight in its "stock" configuration. those two factors seem to make sense in a lot of people's issues with the obsidian. FWIW, i asked a rugged employee point blank what the issue is with obsidians and they blame 100% of it on the thread pitch and end users not checking the can enough. i think its also jank AF they just give you a 45 end cap if you tag your 9mm one enough. My end cap strike today was using Ez-Lok. No issues with it loosening when checking between mags. Was definitely tight when it happened. |
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Originally Posted By Mesooohoppy: was your end cap tight when you noticed the strike? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Mesooohoppy: Originally Posted By Glocked: My end cap strike today was using Ez-Lok. No issues with it loosening when checking between mags. Was definitely tight when it happened. was your end cap tight when you noticed the strike? Yes, everything was tight. I double checked it all after I noticed it to confirm it was tight before shooting the last loaded mag I had left. |
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[#35]
I just got a obsidian 9 and haven't used it yet, deciding how I want to mount it. Was going to mount it on my PCC with their Obsidian dual taper mount or griffin adapter for their taper devices. I haven't heard great things about any 3 lug mounts so want to go with taper mount. Think I should be good with the taper mount or would I have same problem?
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Originally Posted By Glocked: Yes, everything was tight. I double checked it all after I noticed it to confirm it was tight before shooting the last loaded mag I had left. View Quote 43x barrels don't usually have enough "meat" to index off the shoulder so they need to index off the muzzle i believe your strike is piston/barrel related and could happen to any can run with that combination |
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[#37]
whenever i see these obsidian 9 baffle strike threads it makes me wonder if i just got lucky for once and got a good one or do i just keep my shit tight
i've had an obsidian 9 for years that i've run on multiple host's and it's been an awesome suppressor. i used it for a while on a pof mp5 3 lug mount , which has some play , and have run it on several 9mm pcc's and a host of handguns. i run it pretty much exclusively in the long configuration and have shot all kinds of ammo through it , from light to heavy and round nose to hollow points. i've had it out the last couple of weekends working up a 165gr 9mm load , it's quiet and the recoil is crazy light for 9mm hopefully i didn't just jinx myself to be the op in the next obsidian 9 baffle strike thread |
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Originally Posted By 1iviper: does the ez lok piston index off of the muzzle or shoulder of the barrel ? 43x barrels don't usually have enough "meat" to index off the shoulder so they need to index off the muzzle i believe your strike is piston/barrel related and could happen to any can run with that combination View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By 1iviper: Originally Posted By Glocked: Yes, everything was tight. I double checked it all after I noticed it to confirm it was tight before shooting the last loaded mag I had left. 43x barrels don't usually have enough "meat" to index off the shoulder so they need to index off the muzzle i believe your strike is piston/barrel related and could happen to any can run with that combination I use the Ez-Lok Special muzzle device on my 43X. It’s been fine with my other 9mm suppressors. 1/2x28 Special: Indexes off the face of the muzzle. For use on micro compact tilt barrel firearms with little to no barrel shoulder due to the thinner profile of the barrel (G43, G43x, G48, P365, P365XL, Hellcat). |
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[#40]
no issues with mine but its on a BT APC so the barrel is fixed its also mounted using a rugged 3 lug mount.
i have probably close to 1k rounds through it so far. |
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[#42]
Originally Posted By Mesooohoppy: ive often wondered this issue. we all know 1/2x28 sucks with staying tight, but everyone else ships their shit with this thread pitch and no one other MFG has nowhere NEAR this many problems (with respect to handgun cans). although it looks like if you read three posts above you, you'll have your answer. so, based off this info. the way i see it: the obsidian is a tight bore can that has no means of staying tight in its "stock" configuration. those two factors seem to make sense in a lot of people's issues with the obsidian. FWIW, i asked a rugged employee point blank what the issue is with obsidians and they blame 100% of it on the thread pitch and end users not checking the can enough. i think its also jank AF they just give you a 45 end cap if you tag your 9mm one enough. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Mesooohoppy: Originally Posted By Norinco982lover: There is no can that gets more baffle strikes than the rugged obsidian. I honestly don’t know why. ive often wondered this issue. we all know 1/2x28 sucks with staying tight, but everyone else ships their shit with this thread pitch and no one other MFG has nowhere NEAR this many problems (with respect to handgun cans). although it looks like if you read three posts above you, you'll have your answer. so, based off this info. the way i see it: the obsidian is a tight bore can that has no means of staying tight in its "stock" configuration. those two factors seem to make sense in a lot of people's issues with the obsidian. FWIW, i asked a rugged employee point blank what the issue is with obsidians and they blame 100% of it on the thread pitch and end users not checking the can enough. i think its also jank AF they just give you a 45 end cap if you tag your 9mm one enough. They are also the only cans I own that need to have teflon tape on the threads of the host..... |
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Originally Posted By glocktalk: no issues with mine but its on a BT APC so the barrel is fixed its also mounted using a rugged 3 lug mount. i have probably close to 1k rounds through it so far. View Quote Same as my AK-V. 3lug configuration on the shoulder of the barrel. Hopefully lack of comms since receiving it means they are thoroughly testing. I think a tight bore at this point is the issue, coupled with the aligned "clips" of the baffles. I welcome them to use my can as a test can if they improve and fix the issue. |
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Originally Posted By d16man: Same as my AK-V. 3lug configuration on the shoulder of the barrel. Hopefully lack of comms since receiving it means they are thoroughly testing. I think a tight bore at this point is the issue, coupled with the aligned "clips" of the baffles. I welcome them to use my can as a test can if they improve and fix the issue. View Quote It sure would be interesting to take one of the cans that has already had end cap strike(s) and modify it to have the clips alternate 180*, then put it back on the same host and see if it ever happens again or not. Does anyone know of any other non 22lr cans that have all the clips aligned like this? I also find it interesting that 45 cans do not seem to have the same problem. |
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Originally Posted By JTR: I also find it interesting that 45 cans do not seem to have the same problem. View Quote I’ve been following this thread with much interest as I have an Obsidian 45 that should be delivered to me some time this week. Is it just the 9mm Obsidian cans that are having this issue? |
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Originally Posted By Glocked: FML, I guess it’s my turn. Several hundred rounds previously on an AR9, no problems. Tried long mode on a handgun today, got an end cap strike. ETA: Glock 43X Ez-Lok piston/muzzle device. Can was secure 115gr ammo Full configuration Not sure if any baffles were damaged. Will try to make the time to disassemble it sometime this week and check. https://i.imgur.com/VntOnlx.jpeg https://i.imgur.com/WwcduvU.jpeg View Quote Got a chance to clean everything last night and check everything out. My baffles dodged a bullet, pun intended. Only damage was to the end cap. ETA: I remember someone mentioning in here that it seemed like the end cap strikes are inline with the clips in the baffle. That was also the case with mine, end cap strike was inline with the clips in the modular baffles. |
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[#47]
I wish Rugged would address the actual issue. The "tape your threads to keep it tight" is great, but the bigger issue is something with the design of the can.
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[#48]
Originally Posted By d16man: They are also the only cans I own that need to have teflon tape on the threads of the host..... View Quote I put teflon tape on my Glock threads in both 1/2x28 and 13.5x1LH to keep things tight. Not a MFR recommendation but I do it with any direct thread can and haven’t had any loosening issues |
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Originally Posted By JTR: It sure would be interesting to take one of the cans that has already had end cap strike(s) and modify it to have the clips alternate 180*, then put it back on the same host and see if it ever happens again or not. Does anyone know of any other non 22lr cans that have all the clips aligned like this? I also find it interesting that 45 cans do not seem to have the same problem. View Quote I belive the Sandman L has them aligned aswell |
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Rob3220: "Walmart Ammo isn't good for anything. I don't think it even breaks skin. Rounds are made of compressed Jell-O, if I recall correctly." |
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