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Originally Posted By prskiller:
You get the email to? I just did but I never did use them bullets. In to hear what others have to say. Yes, I did just get the email and it does not seem like a bad bullet for about 10 cents each... |
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Originally Posted By cosmogony:
No but I would like to know why no entry for this bullet in the Hornady handbook of cartridge reloading. You will find this often with data from many sources. They do list a 55 gr Sierra, going from memory, just substitute the bullets. Begin loading at the start load and work up watching for pressure signs. After doing this a few times, you will see this is no big deal. Find data for a 62 gr bullet and work up. Shouldn't even slow you down. |
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Originally Posted By dryflash3:
Just posted this is another thread, it applies here also, You will find this often with data from many sources. They do list a 55 gr Sierra, going from memory, just substitute the bullets. Begin loading at the start load and work up watching for pressure signs. After doing this a few times, you will see this is no big deal. Find data for a 62 gr bullet and work up. Shouldn't even slow you down. Originally Posted By dryflash3:
Originally Posted By cosmogony:
No but I would like to know why no entry for this bullet in the Hornady handbook of cartridge reloading. You will find this often with data from many sources. They do list a 55 gr Sierra, going from memory, just substitute the bullets. Begin loading at the start load and work up watching for pressure signs. After doing this a few times, you will see this is no big deal. Find data for a 62 gr bullet and work up. Shouldn't even slow you down. DF, I think this guy is questioning why Hornady doesn't include the bullet in the book, not looking for load data. I have not looked in my #9 to know if they have a 62 HPBT listed or not. I am just taking his word. |
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Originally Posted By dryflash3:
Just posted this is another thread, it applies here also, You will find this often with data from many sources. They do list a 55 gr Sierra, going from memory, just substitute the bullets. Begin loading at the start load and work up watching for pressure signs. After doing this a few times, you will see this is no big deal. Find data for a 62 gr bullet and work up. Shouldn't even slow you down. Originally Posted By dryflash3:
Originally Posted By cosmogony:
No but I would like to know why no entry for this bullet in the Hornady handbook of cartridge reloading. You will find this often with data from many sources. They do list a 55 gr Sierra, going from memory, just substitute the bullets. Begin loading at the start load and work up watching for pressure signs. After doing this a few times, you will see this is no big deal. Find data for a 62 gr bullet and work up. Shouldn't even slow you down. The general opinion of this forum was that this bullet used in the fusion round. Since I had a few boxes of Fusion MSR I pulled a bullet and found them to be identical. The problem was that when I started to check these bullets I found a weight range from 60.3 grains to 64 grains. Out of 250 randomly chosen bullets most were between 61.7 to 62.2 grains. I hope to test those rounds and find out what deviation makes a meaningful difference in performance. Just off the top of my head I don't feel that this buy was a very good value. BTW they were pulled bullets purchased from Rocky Mountain Reloading. |
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Just call Hornady and tell them what you're shooting it from, what powder you're using, and they'll give you load data for it. Takes 5 minutes.
ETA, I also always call the powder company and get their data. When you talk to the tech folks they'll have the data even if the books don't. If you need powder suggestions , call Hornady and get your data and suggestions, then get your powder and call the powder company. Compare the data with what you see in our reloading section as well. Then start at minimum, and work up to max or above if you're making 5.56 loads or near 5.56 loads ( ask the reps for that data as well ). Work your ladder by shooting through a chrony and compare to velocities listed of given to you, and read your brass and primers. |
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Go to the Nosler web site, reloading section, lots of info on 62 gr bullets there, it's not there bullet, but it's all you need to get going, "accurate arms" is another good one.
With that much weight difference in them bullets it's just going to be a mag dumper round anyway. |
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I can't recall where I first heard about these elusive hornady 62gr hpbt bullets, but apparently they have been OOS for several years now.
From all of the reading I have done over the years (can't recall sources atm) these 62gr hpbt bullets used to be available primarily from midsouth and were coveted in the reloading community. I picked up 1k of them when they sent out the notification over a month ago. To be honest, I'm surprised they are still in stock. I have not worked any up yet, but plan to using 8208xbr and H335, possibly TAC as well. I'll shoot for the higher velocity nodes and see what works best. I'll try to find my original sources of info for these bullets. |
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Ok let me reiterate. I am not seeking load data for this bullet. In fact I have loaded only 62 grain rounds and managed to not only duplicate but improve upon the Fusion MSR round. My concern for the OP was that if his lot is the kind of stuff that I bought maybe a few hundred or more of those bullets would be too far out of spec to be of use without substantial time and experimentation to make them shoot right.
If you figure that into the price it is no bargain. |
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Originally Posted By savagemann:
I can't recall where I first heard about these elusive hornady 62gr hpbt bullets, but apparently they have been OOS for several years now. From all of the reading I have done over the years (can't recall sources atm) these 62gr hpbt bullets used to be available primarily from midsouth and were coveted in the reloading community. I picked up 1k of them when they sent out the notification over a month ago. To be honest, I'm surprised they are still in stock. I have not worked any up yet, but plan to using 8208xbr and H335, possibly TAC as well. I'll shoot for the higher velocity nodes and see what works best. I'll try to find my original sources of info for these bullets. I am going with this reply... I have really never had a "bad" bullet from Hornady. These are not pulls...they are new production... I usually shoot 62gr out of my ARs. These have to be better than my Amscor (sp?) 4MOA 62grs.... Anyone know if the bases are copper or open lead like their 55gr FMJs? Thanks again... I have some of these bullets being delivered next week...I will weigh them and get back... And...I have a jug of 8202XBR waiting for these bullets... |
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Originally Posted By cosmogony:
Ok let me reiterate. I am not seeking load data for this bullet. In fact I have loaded only 62 grain rounds and managed to not only duplicate but improve upon the Fusion MSR round. My concern for the OP was that if his lot is the kind of stuff that I bought maybe a few hundred or more of those bullets would be too far out of spec to be of use without substantial time and experimentation to make them shoot right. If you figure that into the price it is no bargain. |
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The bullets were a limited production bullet exclusive to Midway in 2016. Hornady has made it available in the bulk flat boxes of 5500. The price is right at the same price as 55gr SP or FMJ.
You can always look at the Hornady 60gr V-Max for some guidance or look at the Sierra 63gr SMP or 65gr SPBT or HPBT. |
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Originally Posted By rn22723:
The bullets were a limited production bullet exclusive to Midway in 2016. Hornady has made it available in the bulk flat boxes of 5500. The price is right at the same price as 55gr SP or FMJ. You can always look at the Hornady 60gr V-Max for some guidance or look at the Sierra 63gr SMP or 65gr SPBT or HPBT. I would be interested in one of the 5500 count boxes. Can you share a link, please? |
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Originally Posted By cosmogony:
I understand load development. My concern was that maybe this is the 62 grain bullet that Fusion uses in its .223 and .223 MSR. In an attempt to drive down the per round cost of reloading .223 I bought 1000 of 62 grain rounds that look identical to those. The general opinion of this forum was that this bullet used in the fusion round. Since I had a few boxes of Fusion MSR I pulled a bullet and found them to be identical. The problem was that when I started to check these bullets I found a weight range from 60.3 grains to 64 grains. Out of 250 randomly chosen bullets most were between 61.7 to 62.2 grains. I hope to test those rounds and find out what deviation makes a meaningful difference in performance. Just off the top of my head I don't feel that this buy was a very good value. BTW they were pulled bullets purchased from Rocky Mountain Reloading. Originally Posted By cosmogony:
Originally Posted By dryflash3:
Originally Posted By cosmogony:
No but I would like to know why no entry for this bullet in the Hornady handbook of cartridge reloading. You will find this often with data from many sources. They do list a 55 gr Sierra, going from memory, just substitute the bullets. Begin loading at the start load and work up watching for pressure signs. After doing this a few times, you will see this is no big deal. Find data for a 62 gr bullet and work up. Shouldn't even slow you down. The general opinion of this forum was that this bullet used in the fusion round. Since I had a few boxes of Fusion MSR I pulled a bullet and found them to be identical. The problem was that when I started to check these bullets I found a weight range from 60.3 grains to 64 grains. Out of 250 randomly chosen bullets most were between 61.7 to 62.2 grains. I hope to test those rounds and find out what deviation makes a meaningful difference in performance. Just off the top of my head I don't feel that this buy was a very good value. BTW they were pulled bullets purchased from Rocky Mountain Reloading. Title of post: "Any experience with the Midsouth Shooters .224 62gr Hornady HPBT?" You are thinking Hornady is making bullets for Federal? |
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Originally Posted By newbie_nick:
I would be interested in one of the 5500 count boxes. Can you share a link, please? Originally Posted By newbie_nick:
Originally Posted By rn22723:
The bullets were a limited production bullet exclusive to Midway in 2016. Hornady has made it available in the bulk flat boxes of 5500. The price is right at the same price as 55gr SP or FMJ. You can always look at the Hornady 60gr V-Max for some guidance or look at the Sierra 63gr SMP or 65gr SPBT or HPBT. I would be interested in one of the 5500 count boxes. Can you share a link, please? I only see a Hornady 62gr in a FMJ in the 5500 count box for around $448 (when they are in stock) |
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Well, I weighed 10 bullets....
6 bullets were 62.2grs 2 bullets were 62.3grs 1 bullet was 62.0grs 1 bullet was 62.1grs Attached File |
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Originally Posted By Happy2shoot:
Title of post: "Any experience with the Midsouth Shooters .224 62gr Hornady HPBT?" You are thinking Hornady is making bullets for Federal? |
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Originally Posted By drmgallen:
Well, I weighed 10 bullets.... 6 bullets were 62.2grs 2 bullets were 62.3grs 1 bullet was 62.0grs 1 bullet was 62.1grs https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/142497/62-167078.JPG I'm just starting into a box of 55's but I'm liking the looks of those. That long boat tail is going to help BC and the solid base should help accuracy. If they're the same'ish price as 55's I'll get a box. |
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Originally Posted By djryan13:
Midsouth kept advertising this as an exclusive. I see Brownells has them now too.. I am happy with other Hornady offerings. Not sure I will bother with these. |
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I contacted Hornady tech support for load data and got this reply.
"You can use the same load data that you are using for 60 grain bullets and this will be perfectly safe. Use the same procedure by starting at mid-range in the load data or at least 5% below max. and work up checking for pressure issues." I guess they don't have any published velocities per charge weight that they are willing to share. Test time... |
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I received 1500 bullets and worked up a load for fast "bulk" loading. I used easy metering H335 for fast bulk loading instead of a more accurate but rougher metering powder like Varget.
DISCLAIMER; work up your loads by using reduced powder charge. Look for pressure signs before incrementally increasing charge weight. OAL: 2.240-2.250 puts the center of the cannelure at the end of 1.750" length brass. Average bullet weight: 62.1 grains Bullet length: 0.866"-0.869" BC: .280 (anecdotal from Midsouth's website. Info is not directly from Hornady) Rifle used: PSA 20" A3 with 1/7 FN chrome lined govt profile barrel, MI free float, Geissele SSA-E trigger, SWFA Super Sniper 3 X 9 -40 in Larue SPR-E mount. Capable of 1.4 MOA 10-shot group with 69 SMK load Shot on a bipod with rear bag at 100 yards ProChrono placed 6' from muzzle Both XM855 and a 69 grain SMK load were shot as control groups for comparison. It's hard to see in the pic but there are 5 holes in the black for the 69 SMK load. Best load for the Hornady 62 grain BTHP was: Once fired LC brass at 1.75" long WSR primer 25.0 grains H335 powder 2.250 OAL 62 grain BTHP 25pt0 H335 Conclusion: expect around 2 MOA with this bullet. It would likely do better with an extruded powder. At $.10/round, this is a decent bullet that should perform better than 55 grain FMJ at longer distances. I'm hoping it does well on varmints, too. |
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Originally Posted By brianf31:
I received 1500 bullets and worked up a load for fast "bulk" loading. I used easy metering H335 for fast bulk loading instead of a more accurate but rougher metering powder like Varget. DISCLAIMER; work up your loads by using reduced powder charge. Look for pressure signs before incrementally increasing charge weight. OAL: 2.240-2.250 puts the center of the cannelure at the end of 1.750" length brass. Average bullet weight: 62.1 grains Bullet length: 0.866"-0.869" BC: .280 (anecdotal from Midsouth's website. Info is not directly from Hornady) Rifle used: PSA 20" A3 with 1/7 FN chrome lined govt profile barrel, MI free float, Geissele SSA-E trigger, SWFA Super Sniper 3 X 9 -40 in Larue SPR-E mount. Capable of 1.4 MOA 10-shot group with 69 SMK load Shot on a bipod with rear bag at 100 yards ProChrono placed 6' from muzzle Both XM855 and a 69 grain SMK load were shot as control groups for comparison. It's hard to see in the pic but there are 5 holes in the black for the 69 SMK load. Best load for the Hornady 62 grain BTHP was: Once fired LC brass at 1.75" long WSR primer 25.0 grains H335 powder 2.250 OAL Pics here: Hornady 62 BTHP Pics Conclusion: expect around 2 MOA with this bullet. It would likely do better with an extruded powder. At $.10/round, this is a decent bullet that should perform better than 55 grain FMJ at longer distances. I'm hoping it does well on varmints, too. Great write up. Thank you. |
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Originally Posted By brianf31:
Tried to fix, site still sucks for adding pics. Please see link to tinypic.com above. 
Copy the image url and click on the icon that looks like a couple mountains with a ball in the sky then paste the image url in the box that pops up. Easy peasy. 
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Originally Posted By GreenBastard:
Every pussy liberal educated elitist would gladly pick up a Tokarev and put a bullet into your skull if it meant realizing his ideal society.
Every pussy liberal educated elitist would gladly pick up a Tokarev and put a bullet into your skull if it meant realizing his ideal society.
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I have over 5k of these bullets, bought them in the bulk packs last year when they ran a lot for Midsouth.
I load them over 23.5 - 24.3 Gr Of Ramshot Tac for the best Accuracy in my Experiences, I Trim to 1.750 and Seat on the Cannelure of the bullet My Rem 700 prints a 1 MOA Group at 100 with them, sometimes on a good day I can Squeeze a 3/4 Group My Rainier Arms Ultra Match 18in SPR Barreled AR prints a 1/2 Inch Group Regularly With Them My Ruger American Ranch Prints a 1 MOA Group at 100 with them My Tavor and Aug both shoot them like crap, 2.5 MOA average For a Bulk Bullet they do shoot much better than the FMJ and about the same or slightly better than softpoints. I would buy more in a heart beat. Terminal Performance is good as well, tears up groundhogs and coyotes. |
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I was running low on H335 so I tried this bullet wiith pulldown WC845. 23.0 grains gave an average of 2932 fps.
Rifle used: PSA 20" A3 with 1/7 FN chrome lined govt profile barrel, MI free float, Geissele SSA-E trigger, SWFA Super Sniper 3 X 9 -40 in Larue SPR-E mount. Shoots 1.4 MOA with 69 SMK load. After chrono work and zeroing at 100 yards, I tried it at 300 yards. 10-shot group was 4.75 X 5 for about 1.6 MOA. Heck, I'm only doing a little better than that with expensive SMKs. This load Is going to Talladega CMP! Attached File |
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I got a response from Hornady.
You would use 60 grain bullet load data for the cartridge you are wanting to load this bullet in. It will do a very good job on woodchucks, coyotes and similar varmints and is a formidable defense round. |
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This thread is relevant to my interests.
I never did like reloading 55gr FMJ when I could by commie ammo for slightly more money and only slightly less performance. If these represent a medium between FMJ accuracy and match grade accuracy, I might be interesting in loading up on these. ETA: Just saw brianf31's post. Definitely interested in these now. They won't replace 69gr SMKs for my bolt gun, but they'll make better common fodder for the ARs than FMJ. |
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I have a Ruger SR556 Takedown. It's been frustrating to find an "accurate for me" load for it. Most loads, and I tried about 30 of them, would group 5 shots at 100yd off a rest in the 2"-3" range. My other 5.56 AR's will do 1"-1.5", so 2"-3" was not accurate enough for me. With these 62gr Hornady bullets, LC brass, no crimp, CCI 41 primers, 2.25" oal and 24.0gr WW748, my Ruger will do 1.5" groups, and that's fine for me. Velocity out of the 16" Ruger TD is 2564fps average at 10' from the muzzle. Not a speed demon, but the Ruger likes it, so I'm happy. H335 did nearly as well, but I have a lot of 748 so I'll stick with that.
Bought more of the 62gr when they were recently on sale. Besides that, they are a good looking bullet. |
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Originally Posted By hdwhit:
They are no longer listed on Hornady's website. A 68 grain BTHP is listed, but not a 62, so it may be that the 62 grain has been discontinued and if you want them, this may be your last chance. They don't appear in any of the load manuals, either. |
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Load data from Hornady;
https://press.hornady.com/assets/site/hornady/files/load-data/5-56-nato-60-62gr.pdf In case the above doesn't open, how I got there, https://www.hornady.com/support/load-data/ If it were me, I would start with AR Comp and CFE 223. |
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Originally Posted By dryflash3:
Load data from Hornady; https://press.hornady.com/assets/site/hornady/files/load-data/5-56-nato-60-62gr.pdf In case the above doesn't open, how I got there, https://www.hornady.com/support/load-data/ If it were me, I would start with AR Comp and CFE 223. Tech guy said to use the 60 grain bullet, or 62 grain FMJ. Either way the OAL will be slightly different, bearing surface is different, BC and SD will be (probably irrelevant) slightly different. I usually use Lee data, or the powder company anyway. I'll be starting with TAC, so I'll hit their data site. OAL is easy; the bullet has a cannelure. I also have 4895, 680, 4198, SP9, and TU2000 to choose from. I doubt I bother with the Vectan powders since I can't replace them. I have never used the powders you mentioned, but I'm interested. What makes them great? I honestly don't know anything about them. |
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I'm not dryflash, but CFE has a good track record for producing accuracy and velocity with 60 gr class bullets and arcomps burn rate seems close o ideal with that bullet weight and
is said to be temp stable. Just kicking numbers around in quickload, arcomp looks very promising with 60-69 gr bullets. |
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Originally Posted By Ohio:
And again: This data is usable, but does not specifically mention the bullet under discussion. Tech guy said to use the 60 grain bullet, or 62 grain FMJ. Either way the OAL will be slightly different, bearing surface is different, BC and SD will be (probably irrelevant) slightly different. I usually use Lee data, or the powder company anyway. I'll be starting with TAC, so I'll hit their data site. OAL is easy; the bullet has a cannelure. I also have 4895, 680, 4198, SP9, and TU2000 to choose from. I doubt I bother with the Vectan powders since I can't replace them. I have never used the powders you mentioned, but I'm interested. What makes them great? I honestly don't know anything about them. That is why you begin loading at the start load and work up. The data will work fine, but suit yourself. |
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