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MT, USA
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Posted: 9/17/2024 5:24:52 PM EDT
So let me phrase this a little differently than the title reads. Right now i have way more SBR lowers and non SBR lowers. Every upper has a lower, basicly i have more lowers than uppers. A few of my SBR lowers even have 16" uppers on them. But its nice to know i can put whatever i want on them. I have thought about getting rid of a few lowers that i am not "in love with". Obviously i wont get rid of the SBR lowers. So that leaves only a few of the non SBR lowers that i could sell. Nothing wrong withthem, sometimes i just want something with a different rolemark. Is there any reason to keep a few non SBR lowers around? Do you see a issue with every AR15 you own being registered with the ATF and listed in your trust?
Honestly, its not like they dont already know what i have from FFL records. We know they arnt supposed to look at those but lets be real. |
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Posted: 9/17/2024 5:29:28 PM EDT
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I would add braces before I sbr'ed everything. My parents live in a different state. Taking a pistol is no issue. Taking an SBR is.
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VA, USA
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Posted: 9/17/2024 5:36:11 PM EDT
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FPNI
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MT, USA
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Posted: 9/17/2024 5:42:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By d16man: I would add braces before I sbr'ed everything. My parents live in a different state. Taking a pistol is no issue. Taking an SBR is. True and thats a good idea if i want to use a short barrel. But couldnt i stick a brace on a sbr to travel? Some of my SBRs started out as pistols. Or if i drop a 16" upper on it couldnt i travel as well?. Basicly i 3 options for travel. Put brace on, put 16" upper on, form 20. I am not really looking to add more SBR lowers. Just keep only the SBRs i already have. So the $200 cost isnt a issue at all. Not trying to convince anyone of anything. Just wanting to see opinions of this. So i appreciate your input. |
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Posted: 9/17/2024 5:42:53 PM EDT
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I don't see the need to SBR anything that you don't need to. Makes transferring hard, harder to cross state lines, not to mention paying for the stamps.
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Posted: 9/17/2024 5:44:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dana: I am not really looking to add more SBR lowers. Just keep only the SBRs i already have. So the $200 cost isnt a issue at all. Ah, I misread your OP. I thought you wanted to SBR more lowers just for the lolz. |
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Posted: 9/17/2024 6:11:29 PM EDT
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FPNI
Also. Once turned into a rifle, it can never be a "pistol" again. |
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MT, USA
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Posted: 9/17/2024 6:26:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BIGSHOOTER414: FPNI Also. Once turned into a rifle, it can never be a "pistol" again. |
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IA, USA
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Posted: 9/17/2024 6:32:45 PM EDT
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I won’t own an SBR ….. ever.
You do you. |
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Posted: 9/17/2024 6:34:39 PM EDT
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I would keep one or two pistol/rifle just for ease. I know a rifle can be approved for state travel or I could take the time to swap a pistol upper to a rifle one, but what if out of state family is sick or whatever and you have to pack right damn now?
Plus in some states a loaded rifle in the car is illegal but pistol is GTG. And vice Versa |
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MN, USA
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Posted: 9/17/2024 8:39:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Urimaginaryfrnd: I won’t own an SBR ….. ever. You do you. Fantastic advice given you're in the... *checks notes* ...SBR forum.  Op, all of my ARs have been stamped over the years. Sometimes they're short, sometimes it's "wasted" on a 14.5 that could be P/W or even 16+. Doesn't bother me one bit. I tend to stay pretty minimalist so I would consolidate in your position. Spare lowers don't have much of a use without their uppers with the exception of a braced lower hanging around for potential travel/vehicle use as states allow. |
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Posted: 9/17/2024 8:49:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By steviesterno16: I would keep one or two pistol/rifle just for ease. I know a rifle can be approved for state travel or I could take the time to swap a pistol upper to a rifle one, but what if out of state family is sick or whatever and you have to pack right damn now? Plus in some states a loaded rifle in the car is illegal but pistol is GTG. And vice Versa Pistol first, then SBR it. After that, all you’ve gotta do is swap a brace onto it and it’s back to being a pistol. |
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NH, USA
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Posted: 9/17/2024 8:53:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Urimaginaryfrnd: I won’t own an SBR ….. ever. You do you. This should be good. Why not? |
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Posted: 9/17/2024 8:58:52 PM EDT
[Last Edit: akethan]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BIGSHOOTER414: FPNI Also. Once turned into a rifle, it can never be a "pistol" again. Stop posting BS |
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Posted: 9/17/2024 9:10:34 PM EDT
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I would keep a few just to have flexibility. Who knows what the future holds. Lowers are relatively cheap, unless they a higher end model. Resale in today's market may not be great; in the future they might bring more of a premium. This is coming from someone who has at least a dozen of SBRs lowers.
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ME, USA
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Posted: 9/17/2024 9:15:00 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Screwball]
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I have one pistol lower… just in case I get a quick turnaround at work and can’t get a 5320.20 approved fast enough. For the 4 states I frequently travel to… I do it for 6 of my NFA guns for the fiscal year.
If the pistol lower still don’t work, I have the Colt 6920 and then I can put the 18” barrel/magazine tube on my 870. I am going back/forth on Form 1ing a KP15 for s***s/giggles. |
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MP, USA
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Posted: 9/17/2024 10:43:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BIGSHOOTER414: FPNI Also. Once turned into a rifle, it can never be a "pistol" again. This is incorrect. If it started life as a pistol and became an SBR, it can go back to being a pistol. If it started life as a rifle and became an SBR, it can never be a pistol. |
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MP, USA
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Posted: 9/17/2024 10:44:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dana: True and thats a good idea if i want to use a short barrel. But couldnt i stick a brace on a sbr to travel? Some of my SBRs started out as pistols. Or if i drop a 16" upper on it couldnt i travel as well?. Basicly i 3 options for travel. Put brace on, put 16" upper on, form 20. I am not really looking to add more SBR lowers. Just keep only the SBRs i already have. So the $200 cost isnt a issue at all. Not trying to convince anyone of anything. Just wanting to see opinions of this. So i appreciate your input. I think your plan is solid. |
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Posted: 9/17/2024 11:33:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By spyderboy03: Not true. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By spyderboy03: Originally Posted By BIGSHOOTER414: FPNI Also. Once turned into a rifle, it can never be a "pistol" again. |
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Posted: 9/17/2024 11:47:24 PM EDT
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Doesn’t putting a 16” upper on a sbr lower make the sbr lower not matter anymore, esp for traveling?
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OH, USA
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Posted: 9/18/2024 12:39:35 AM EDT
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Ehhh, I’d rather they not know all what rifles I have. I wouldn’t register more than I had to.
The real power play for the non-FFL: Only own several homemade 80% ARs Put identical markings on all of them. Register one of them as an SBR Congratulations… All your ARs are registered SBRs |
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Posted: 9/18/2024 8:35:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Claytonhoneyberry: Doesn’t putting a 16” upper on a sbr lower make the sbr lower not matter anymore, esp for traveling? Yes. It can only be a SBR while it’s actually a SBR. With a 16”+ barrel it’s just another rifle. |
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Posted: 9/18/2024 8:41:45 AM EDT
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All of my lowers except for 1 are registered as SBR’s.
The lower that’s not registered has a brace and 8.5” 300BLK upper on it and lives in my vehicle. |
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NE, USA
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Posted: 9/18/2024 9:40:06 AM EDT
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All my remaining lowers are stamped, 2 started as pistols so Im good to go for travel. I have given all non-NFA to my kids and added them to the trust.
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Posted: 9/18/2024 10:00:43 AM EDT
[Last Edit: lazyengineer]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By d16man: I would add braces before I sbr'ed everything. My parents live in a different state. Taking a pistol is no issue. Taking an SBR is. Mostly this, but more broader than that specifically. Who knows what the next 20+ years holds. Having a few guns all legally registered may be a good call should they close the NFA, and then a couple years ban everything not in the NFA. (Think 1986 MG Ban). While at the same time, having a few guns NOT in the NFA, isn't a bad idea if things take a weird turn there, like if they change NFA law to become more onerous and require training, annual renewals, capriciously decide once-an-SBR-always-an-SBR, whatever, etc. And then there's the state level rules on Pistol vs SBR vs Rifle that can very from state to state. Having AR's that "you can be this, and you can be that", is a good idea. Having 20 is pretty much a waste, if you're looking to simplify; but having at least one in each category, is probably a good hedge against an unknown tomorrow. Don't get too comfortable with anything, the 2nd Amendment (and so much more), is dependent on one aging overweight black male, who is the only one holding up America right now. When he goes.. it's not going to be good. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 9/18/2024 10:51:31 AM EDT
[Last Edit: networkguru]
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I will never participate in the SBR forum!!!!
Oh wait. Crazy misinformation. As LE posted, have options. And know your options. Putting a brace on a SBR may confuse the cop. It may or may not change SBR to pistol. Depends on what SBR started out as. Only because the SBR no longer has a stock on it. Installing a brace does not turn any AR config into a pistol. Again, know the bullshit Fatf rules. |
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MT, USA
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Posted: 9/18/2024 11:37:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lazyengineer: Mostly this, but more broader than that specifically. Who knows what the next 20+ years holds. Having a few guns all legally registered may be a good call should they close the NFA, and then a couple years ban everything not in the NFA. (Think 1986 MG Ban). While at the same time, having a few guns NOT in the NFA, isn't a bad idea if things take a weird turn there, like if they change NFA law to become more onerous and require training, annual renewals, capriciously decide once-an-SBR-always-an-SBR, whatever, etc. And then there's the state level rules on Pistol vs SBR vs Rifle that can very from state to state. Having AR's that "you can be this, and you can be that", is a good idea. Having 20 is pretty much a waste, if you're looking to simplify; but having at least one in each category, is probably a good hedge against an unknown tomorrow. Don't get too comfortable with anything, the 2nd Amendment (and so much more), is dependent on one aging overweight black male, who is the only one holding up America right now. When he goes.. it's not going to be good. So what you are saying is that the future is unpredictable. The ATF makes up the rules as they go along. The 2nd ammendment is not protected?  Just screwing with you, you have some good points. Options are a nice thing to have. |
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Posted: 9/18/2024 9:04:45 PM EDT
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No reason to get rid of lowers and lots of reasons to keep them. I wouldn't sell shit
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Posted: 9/18/2024 10:06:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ALASKANFIRE: Yes. It can only be a SBR while it’s actually a SBR. With a 16”+ barrel it’s just another rifle. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ALASKANFIRE: Originally Posted By Claytonhoneyberry: Doesn’t putting a 16” upper on a sbr lower make the sbr lower not matter anymore, esp for traveling? Yes. It can only be a SBR while it’s actually a SBR. With a 16”+ barrel it’s just another rifle. That’s what I thought, cuz that’s what I do. 
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PA, USA
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Posted: 9/19/2024 6:36:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WUPHF: Pistol first, then SBR it. After that, all you’ve gotta do is swap a brace onto it and it’s back to being a pistol. But a stripped lower is not registered as a pistol. |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 9/19/2024 6:37:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Millennial: Ehhh, I’d rather they not know all what rifles I have. I wouldn’t register more than I had to. The real power play for the non-FFL: Only own several homemade 80% ARs Put identical markings on all of them. Register one of them as an SBR Congratulations… All your ARs are registered SBRs Wouldn't they have to be serialized? They would have different serial numbers |
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Posted: 9/19/2024 7:31:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RangeToy: But a stripped lower is not registered as a pistol. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RangeToy: Originally Posted By WUPHF: Pistol first, then SBR it. After that, all you’ve gotta do is swap a brace onto it and it’s back to being a pistol. But a stripped lower is not registered as a pistol. You build them as pistols first and then SBR them. |
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Posted: 9/24/2024 8:15:49 AM EDT
[Last Edit: TNRonin]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RangeToy: But a stripped lower is not registered as a pistol. I did that several times, designating as a pistol, before they changed the rule. Because I was booking out a lower, and said quickly to the FFL to make sure that he designated it as a pistol. He says it's just designated as a component, or something like that. |
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Posted: 9/24/2024 9:28:06 AM EDT
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It was always just a receiver but the old forms didn’t have a way to reflect that and only had handgun/long gun/both so you or your dealer chose. None of it matched the law and they finally changed the forms to reflect that.
It was when they realized/decided that people under 21 couldn’t buy receivers frames and even pistol grip only shotguns. None of it makes sense. |
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OR, USA
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Posted: 9/24/2024 3:54:11 PM EDT
[Last Edit: SCARed]
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Finally changed the forms? That would have had to be over 15yrs ago. Cause back then the 4473 still would have been marked as "Receiver" or "Other".
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Posted: 9/24/2024 7:52:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SCARed: Finally changed the forms? That would have had to be over 15yrs ago. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SCARed: Finally changed the forms? That would have had to be over 15yrs ago. "Finally" is correct, since they didn't change that from 1968 to 2008, so 40 years later (16 years ago now). Originally Posted By dana: So what you are saying is that the future is unpredictable. The ATF makes up the rules as they go along. The 2nd amendment is not protected? Registering your lowers (really your SBRs) as SBRs just give more lawful options regarding configuration. The "brace stuff" also had the net effect of causing a bunch of registered SBRs to not be required to have any additional engraving present. So if yours is absent, it's unlikely anyone would care (although it's still a requirement for the maker to mark them). |
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Posted: 9/24/2024 7:56:47 PM EDT
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I started selling guns in the early 2000’s and did my final stint just after they changed the forms. I say finally because I sold so many frames and receivers before other was an option. Still have a Rock River lower that’s marked Pistol or Handgun I can’t remember because nobody really knew what to do in the early days of AR pistols and they wanted to cover their ass.
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Posted: 9/24/2024 8:03:37 PM EDT
[Last Edit: KitBuilder]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ALASKANFIRE: Still have a Rock River lower that’s marked Pistol or Handgun I can’t remember because nobody really knew what to do in the early days of AR pistols and they wanted to cover their ass. This was also around the time MULTI started showing up on AR lowers. Quite a few FFLs were incorrectly logging that under the Caliber field.
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