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$20/each. There was discussion in a vacuum cleaner thread on the Brian Enos forum of a guy getting almost (3/4) of a 5 gallon bucket of trimmings every 2 days. He doesn't mention how often he changes blades. I got a little less than 1/2 a bucket and had to change to the 3rd surface. I wish I could sharpen that little bastard. |
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Originally Posted By kaos:
$20/each. There was discussion in a vacuum cleaner thread on the Brian Enos forum of a guy getting almost (3/4) of a 5 gallon bucket of trimmings every 2 days. He doesn't mention how often he changes blades. I got a little less than 1/2 a bucket and had to change to the 3rd surface. I wish I could sharpen that little bastard. I don't understand why you can't sharpen it? It is carbide...but a diamond stone would be harder than the carbide and allow it to be sharpened: 
I have one of these I bought locally 4y ago and it cuts anything that touches it: 
Diamond Sharpening Stone |
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Originally Posted By kaos:
$20/each. There was discussion in a vacuum cleaner thread on the Brian Enos forum of a guy getting almost (3/4) of a 5 gallon bucket of trimmings every 2 days. He doesn't mention how often he changes blades. I got a little less than 1/2 a bucket and had to change to the 3rd surface. I wish I could sharpen that little bastard. That guy is doing a hell of a lot of trimming if he's generating that much in trimmings. I can't imagine processing a 5 gallon bucket of brass every couple days, let alone making that much scrap in trimming. He must be a commercial loader. If he's processing that much brass, he can afford a few $20 cutting bits. |
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Originally Posted By sleepercaprice1: Originally Posted By kaos: $20/each. There was discussion in a vacuum cleaner thread on the Brian Enos forum of a guy getting almost (3/4) of a 5 gallon bucket of trimmings every 2 days. He doesn't mention how often he changes blades. I got a little less than 1/2 a bucket and had to change to the 3rd surface. I wish I could sharpen that little bastard. That guy is doing a hell of a lot of trimming if he's generating that much in trimmings. I can't imagine processing a 5 gallon bucket of brass every couple days, let alone making that much scrap in trimming. He must be a commercial loader. If he's processing that much brass, he can afford a few $20 cutting bits. Could be making 300 blk from 223 cases. Or something simular. |
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they look like the indexable cutters for lathe bits.
look for them at grainger or lil machine shop, or harbor freight here is a link to lil machine shop's selection, but you might find them cheaper elsewhere. Inserts |
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There was a thread a while back discussing alternatives to the Dillon cutters and replacement brushes for the motor.
The info I saved says Carbide Depot sells a cuter that works. The part number recommended was TT6810317. A pack of ten cutters runs about $50. I still have a couple of the Dillon cutters, so I have not ordered any of the Carbide Depot cutters and cannot confirm that they a suitable substitute. I don't remember if a source for the brushes was ever posted in the thread. |
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Originally Posted By Buck_Naked:
I don't think you should be dulling the blade anywhere near as quickly as you are... I would be looking into another issue... Correct me if I am wrong, but if you keep it at a reasonable temperature, the carbide cutters should last indefinitely? Carbide vs brass? Odds are you guys are simply pushing it to hard making 300 BLK. |
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looks like brake lathe bits to me. At work we have a pro cut on car lathe and an ammco lathe.
http://www.maxautosupplies.com/Negative-Brake-Lathe-Bits-6914-10-pcs_p_248.html |
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Originally Posted By Chas8008:
Reef Raider will know  Yep he has a couple good part #'s for the trimmer, my computer crashed or I'd share them. Hopeflly he'll be along and share them |
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Originally Posted By turningfast:
looks like brake lathe bits to me. At work we have a pro cut on car lathe and an ammco lathe. http://www.maxautosupplies.com/Negative-Brake-Lathe-Bits-6914-10-pcs_p_248.html DONT use AMMCO brake lathe bit.. I brought 1 home to try it.. rake is wrong direction.. not cut, it smears.. We have a PRO-CUT also.. may swipe bit and try it.. though PRO-CUT appears to be 1 sided bits.. |
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6810317 TCMT110204-PS A AT530 Insert these are made by Tungaloy. Shop around last time I got them they were about $5.00 each. They last about 10K each side. If you get the Ti coated ones they might last longer though.
7K of processed LC brass . This lot was ALL 08 with the NATO cross.  The med flat rate box has 1000 in it to give some perspective.
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Originally Posted By ReefRaider:
6810317 TCMT110204-PS A AT530 Insert these are made by Tungaloy. Shop around last time I got them they were about $5.00 each. They last about 10K each side. If you get the Ti coated ones they might last longer though. 7K of processed LC brass . This lot was ALL 08 with the NATO cross. The med flat rate box has 1000 in it to give some perspective.
http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/6264/a1upper020.jpg Sigh...I wish I knew of a good source for once-fired LC as you appear to do. |
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Originally Posted By FL_Tactical: I added that last little detail.Originally Posted By ReefRaider: 6810317 TCMT110204-PS A AT530 Insert these are made by Tungaloy. Shop around last time I got them they were about $5.00 each. They last about 10K each side. If you get the Ti coated ones they might last longer though. 7K of processed LC brass . This lot was ALL 08 with the NATO cross. The med flat rate box has 1000 in it to give some perspective.http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/6264/a1upper020.jpg Sigh...I wish I knew of a good source for affordable once-fired LC as you appear to do. Though I suspect we're starting to tread onto trade secrets. |
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Originally Posted By dryflash3:
Originally Posted By sleepercaprice1:
Originally Posted By kaos:
$20/each. There was discussion in a vacuum cleaner thread on the Brian Enos forum of a guy getting almost (3/4) of a 5 gallon bucket of trimmings every 2 days. He doesn't mention how often he changes blades. I got a little less than 1/2 a bucket and had to change to the 3rd surface. I wish I could sharpen that little bastard. That guy is doing a hell of a lot of trimming if he's generating that much in trimmings. I can't imagine processing a 5 gallon bucket of brass every couple days, let alone making that much scrap in trimming. He must be a commercial loader. If he's processing that much brass, he can afford a few $20 cutting bits. Could be making 300 blk from 223 cases. Or something simular. I believe this. We just cut 5 gallons of 223 into 300blk and made probably a half gallon or more of trimmings. |
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The coated blades(TiN, TiAN, ect) are not as sharp as the non coated blades, the coating makes the edges more rounded and a sharp edge is key for cutting brass fast and smoothly so it doesn't need de-burring.
I bought most of the recommended blades and most of them are not as sharp as the original Dillon blades but after about 10 different blades I found one that's better. |
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Originally Posted By EWP:
The coated blades(TiN, TiAN, ect) are not as sharp as the non coated blades, the coating makes the edges more rounded and a sharp edge is key for cutting brass fast and smoothly so it doesn't need de-burring. I bought most of the recommended blades and most of them are not as sharp as the original Dillon blades but after about 10 different blades I found one that's better. Would you share the info? Where do you get the better blade? |
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Originally Posted By EWP:
The coated blades(TiN, TiAN, ect) are not as sharp as the non coated blades, the coating makes the edges more rounded and a sharp edge is key for cutting brass fast and smoothly so it doesn't need de-burring. I bought most of the recommended blades and most of them are not as sharp as the original Dillon blades but after about 10 different blades I found one that's better. would you please share with us where to get it? thanks |
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Originally Posted By EWP:
The coated blades(TiN, TiAN, ect) are not as sharp as the non coated blades, the coating makes the edges more rounded and a sharp edge is key for cutting brass fast and smoothly so it doesn't need de-burring. I bought most of the recommended blades and most of them are not as sharp as the original Dillon blades but after about 10 different blades I found one that's better. Found a BETTER blade than the Dillon? Care to tell us which blade & where we can buy it? Thx |
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Originally Posted By boomfab: I'm on my third surface and the blade is supposed to last 250K per surface, though I do see 250K per blade mentioned as often.My Dillon blades last a very long time. I've only on my second edge and have processed over 40K LC 556 brass. I forgot which claim dillon made on the Enos web site, but I'm not going to get anywhere near the smaller number either. |
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Going to paste some posts from the other Dillon thread in here as this thread is toggled. From EWP, Reply from 1Andy2, You sure about those brushes EWP? The dillon motor brushes measure .180x.304 These appear to be alot closer: http://store.eurtonelectric.com/18x30x62brush538h.aspx http://store.eurtonelectric.com/18x30x65brush538.aspx Except that the shunt wire length is too long for both. It's hard to measure without taking one apart to get around the spring, but the wire size on a stock dillon motor brush appears to be .875 long. From ReefRaider, OK Andy even though you sell processed brass too I'll help ya out on this one.  The part # is BL R6-2RS http://www.vxb.com/page/bearings/PROD/3-8inch/Kit7488 Yes the bearings are a light press fit. They are easyer to get on than take off. More from ReefRaider, It would be nice to machine out the lower for this bearing . Seems it would last a lot longer. The lower bearing is the 1st to go. Seems like the brass shavings take their share of the toll on the bearing. http://www.vxb.com/page/bearings/PROD/Kit7095 Originally Posted By 1Andy2: Originally Posted By ReefRaider: It would be nice to machine out the lower for this bearing . Seems it would last a lot longer. The lower bearing is the 1st to go. Seems like the brass shavings take their share of the toll on the bearing. http://www.vxb.com/page/bearings/PROD/Kit7095 What's the advantage in having that flange? Better support heavier duty bearing tooThe flange would have to go on top, wouldn't it? yes I think what killed mine was .300 blk forming. Possibly too fast of a feed rate. I'm going to have to pot the housing for my lower bearing with some devcon steel putty, because the outer race was actually spinning somewhat. There's some scoring on the bearing and the housing.  Thanks for the suggestions. eta: Oh, did you heat your replacement bearings up at all to get them on the shaft? NO heat. I did put the armature in the freezer once though. It didn't seem to make much of a differance . I have access to a press. Just made some tools out of washers and pipe to press the bearings. There are some spacers above the lower bearing. They will fall off once the bearing has been removed. The communitor sp? cleans up easy with some 1500 wet or dry sand paper. Having rebuilt one of my motors 3 times now I can tell you it works just fine. Link to the thread these posts came from. |
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Here's another link from that thread The brushes
http://www.blackfoxresearch.com/Reloading.html |
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Originally Posted By EWP:
The coated blades(TiN, TiAN, ect) are not as sharp as the non coated blades, the coating makes the edges more rounded and a sharp edge is key for cutting brass fast and smoothly so it doesn't need de-burring. I bought most of the recommended blades and most of them are not as sharp as the original Dillon blades but after about 10 different blades I found one that's better. Details on the better blade? |
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Originally Posted By WI57:
Originally Posted By EWP:
The coated blades(TiN, TiAN, ect) are not as sharp as the non coated blades, the coating makes the edges more rounded and a sharp edge is key for cutting brass fast and smoothly so it doesn't need de-burring. I bought most of the recommended blades and most of them are not as sharp as the original Dillon blades but after about 10 different blades I found one that's better. Details on the better blade? i don't think he feels like sharing. i sent him a couple of pm's asking about the blade with no reply. |
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Originally Posted By BIGGDAWG:
Originally Posted By WI57:
Originally Posted By EWP:
The coated blades(TiN, TiAN, ect) are not as sharp as the non coated blades, the coating makes the edges more rounded and a sharp edge is key for cutting brass fast and smoothly so it doesn't need de-burring. I bought most of the recommended blades and most of them are not as sharp as the original Dillon blades but after about 10 different blades I found one that's better. Details on the better blade? i don't think he feels like sharing. i sent him a couple of pm's asking about the blade with no reply. Well that's nice. I was hoping to find out the secret blade. Since my blade is just about shot it's time to order some new ones. |
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Originally Posted By BIGGDAWG:
Originally Posted By WI57:
Originally Posted By EWP:
The coated blades(TiN, TiAN, ect) are not as sharp as the non coated blades, the coating makes the edges more rounded and a sharp edge is key for cutting brass fast and smoothly so it doesn't need de-burring. I bought most of the recommended blades and most of them are not as sharp as the original Dillon blades but after about 10 different blades I found one that's better. Details on the better blade? i don't think he feels like sharing. i sent him a couple of pm's asking about the blade with no reply. Or he has not really found the holy grail, but instead is creating a marketing image to resell. |
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Originally Posted By 74HC: Originally Posted By BIGGDAWG: Originally Posted By WI57: Originally Posted By EWP: The coated blades(TiN, TiAN, ect) are not as sharp as the non coated blades, the coating makes the edges more rounded and a sharp edge is key for cutting brass fast and smoothly so it doesn't need de-burring. I bought most of the recommended blades and most of them are not as sharp as the original Dillon blades but after about 10 different blades I found one that's better. Details on the better blade? i don't think he feels like sharing. i sent him a couple of pm's asking about the blade with no reply. Or he has not really found the holy grail, but instead is creating a marketing image to resell. Or maybe he is busy with real life and not spending every second on the internet. He is a respected member here, please keep the speculation the same.
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PROPS to dryflash . tagged waiting too Originally Posted By dryflash3:
Originally Posted By 74HC:
Originally Posted By BIGGDAWG:
Originally Posted By WI57:
Originally Posted By EWP:
The coated blades(TiN, TiAN, ect) are not as sharp as the non coated blades, the coating makes the edges more rounded and a sharp edge is key for cutting brass fast and smoothly so it doesn't need de-burring. I bought most of the recommended blades and most of them are not as sharp as the original Dillon blades but after about 10 different blades I found one that's better. Details on the better blade? i don't think he feels like sharing. i sent him a couple of pm's asking about the blade with no reply. Or he has not really found the holy grail, but instead is creating a marketing image to resell. Or maybe he is busy with real life and not spending every second on the internet. He is a respected member here, please keep the speculation the same. |
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Originally Posted By dryflash3:
Originally Posted By ReefRaider:
EWP throw us a bone will ya I sent him an IM this morning. My guess is he is not on line for some reason. Illness? I hope not. He has been logging on and posting regularly. Logged on and posted yesterday at 10pm. |
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I leave a browser tab open to the forum at all times so I'm always logged on but have little time to actually read and post, so this is the first time I've been back to this thread.
The blades came from McMaster Carr and are a TP-41 General Purpose uncoated C5 carbide insert (#3289A81) . . . $13.20 ea The insert has a very sharp edge and cuts brass like butter, the motor no longer boggs down when the brass is fed in to fast, actually I cant even hear the blade cutting the brass anymore it does it so fast. The one bad thing is the brass shaving from a sharp blade are much longer(usually only one long piece), so they don't vacuum out as easy and get wrapped around the trimmer shaft more often so you'll need to keep an eye on that every five hundred rounds or so. |
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Originally Posted By EWP:
I leave a browser tab open to the forum at all times so I'm always logged on but have little time to actually read and post, so this is the first time I've been back to this thread. The blades came from McMaster Carr and are a TP-41 General Purpose uncoated C5 carbide insert (#3289A81) . . . $12.06 ea The insert has a very sharp edge and cuts brass like butter, the motor no longer boggs down when the brass is fed in to fast, actually I cant even hear the blade cutting the brass anymore it does it so fast. The one bad thing is the brass shaving from a sharp blade are much longer(usually only one long piece), so they don't vacuum out as easy and get wrapped around the trimmer shaft more often so you'll need to keep an eye on that every five hundred rounds or so. thank you sir very much appreciated. |
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Originally Posted By EWP:
I leave a browser tab open to the forum at all times so I'm always logged on but have little time to actually read and post, so this is the first time I've been back to this thread. The blades came from McMaster Carr and are a TP-41 General Purpose uncoated C5 carbide insert (#3289A81) . . . $12.06 ea The insert has a very sharp edge and cuts brass like butter, the motor no longer boggs down when the brass is fed in to fast, actually I cant even hear the blade cutting the brass anymore it does it so fast. The one bad thing is the brass shaving from a sharp blade are much longer(usually only one long piece), so they don't vacuum out as easy and get wrapped around the trimmer shaft more often so you'll need to keep an eye on that every five hundred rounds or so. Thank you. 
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Originally Posted By EWP: I leave a browser tab open to the forum at all times so I'm always logged on but have little time to actually read and post, so this is the first time I've been back to this thread. The blades came from McMaster Carr and are a TP-41 General Purpose uncoated C5 carbide insert (#3289A81) . . . $12.06 ea The insert has a very sharp edge and cuts brass like butter, the motor no longer boggs down when the brass is fed in to fast, actually I cant even hear the blade cutting the brass anymore it does it so fast. The one bad thing is the brass shaving from a sharp blade are much longer(usually only one long piece), so they don't vacuum out as easy and get wrapped around the trimmer shaft more often so you'll need to keep an eye on that every five hundred rounds or so. Never doubted you.
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Originally Posted By dryflash3:
Originally Posted By EWP:
I leave a browser tab open to the forum at all times so I'm always logged on but have little time to actually read and post, so this is the first time I've been back to this thread. The blades came from McMaster Carr and are a TP-41 General Purpose uncoated C5 carbide insert (#3289A81) . . . $12.06 ea The insert has a very sharp edge and cuts brass like butter, the motor no longer boggs down when the brass is fed in to fast, actually I cant even hear the blade cutting the brass anymore it does it so fast. The one bad thing is the brass shaving from a sharp blade are much longer(usually only one long piece), so they don't vacuum out as easy and get wrapped around the trimmer shaft more often so you'll need to keep an eye on that every five hundred rounds or so. Never doubted you. Sorry it took so long but am glad I could help. I know it would have saved me about $100 on carbide blades if I had knew which one to buy, but testing the different blades was somewhat fun and the reason I did it vs just buying from Dillon, especially since I didn't even need new blades. |
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