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Link Posted: 11/19/2018 10:46:24 AM EST
[#1]
Ok, I plan on grabbing an APC9 this week. soon as I get it, I'm Form 1'ing it.

For those who have SBR'd, where are you guys Engraving?
Link Posted: 11/21/2018 11:12:11 PM EST
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Originally Posted By MacThePunisher:
Ok, I plan on grabbing an APC9 this week. soon as I get it, I'm Form 1'ing it.

For those who have SBR'd, where are you guys Engraving?
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Mine is on the bottom side of the forend, next to the pic rail.
Link Posted: 11/22/2018 6:54:10 PM EST
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Originally Posted By JohnLWare:

Mine is on the bottom side of the forend, next to the pic rail.
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Same here.
Link Posted: 11/27/2018 11:27:40 AM EST
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Can one of you guys with an APC9 measure the distance from the muzzle, to the rear of the receiver for me?  I'm on the verge of ordering one, and I'm trying to figure out if the place that did my engraving on my MCX receiver can do the APC9.  Their laser cabinet didn't look real big, so I'd like to know if the APC will fit, or if I'll have to send it out for engraving.

TIA!
Link Posted: 11/27/2018 7:07:24 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Dr_Nimslow:
Can one of you guys with an APC9 measure the distance from the muzzle, to the rear of the receiver for me?  I'm on the verge of ordering one, and I'm trying to figure out if the place that did my engraving on my MCX receiver can do the APC9.  Their laser cabinet didn't look real big, so I'd like to know if the APC will fit, or if I'll have to send it out for engraving.

TIA!
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@Dr_Nimslow I’d call it 14”.
Link Posted: 11/28/2018 8:57:15 AM EST
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Originally Posted By JohnLWare:

@Dr_Nimslow I’d call it 14”.
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Thanks!

I don't suppose you have the collapsable stock on yours?  Looking for the OAL with that stock now.
Link Posted: 11/28/2018 8:59:25 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Dr_Nimslow:

Thanks!

I don't suppose you have the collapsable stock on yours?  Looking for the OAL with that stock now.
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No, mine is a folder.
Link Posted: 11/28/2018 10:43:58 AM EST
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Originally Posted By BS68280:
Same here.
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Originally Posted By BS68280:
Originally Posted By JohnLWare:

Mine is on the bottom side of the forend, next to the pic rail.
Same here.
Thanks, This is was I was wanting to know. I don't really want to do it on the side. Just needed to see the bottom of the rail has the room.
Link Posted: 11/28/2018 2:27:57 PM EST
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I posted this in the GHM9 thread also.  Anyone know if there would be any issues mounting a Surefire Ryder MP5 suppressor to the GHM9 or the APC9? The attachment collar on it is a little different than other 3-lug suppressors.  Just want to make sure there is enough clearance.
Link Posted: 11/30/2018 10:11:52 PM EST
[#10]
Cross posting this a bit. Just got my first B+T gun. A P26!!! Damn I love this thing.

I have some white paint on my front sight, it's not a big deal. I'm curious if anyone else has theirs like this or if the first owner did it. The serialized frame also has a different serial than the upper parts. The lower reads P26000"X"R upper is US16-20"XXX". I'm curious if the "R" is for repair somehow?
Either way I'm super happy to have this in my collection.
Link Posted: 12/4/2018 12:41:58 AM EST
[#11]
Does anyone sell spare parts for the APC9?  I would like to get a spare safety lever as I’m a southpaw it digs into my left hand bad. Also maybe a spare bolt or extractor or other small parts?
Link Posted: 12/4/2018 8:48:20 AM EST
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There is a company making a safety delete that i used to get rid of my right hand lever, as it dug in bad.

https://hbindustries.net/store/product-category/bt-products/

you may contact them and see if they can do one for the left side, or if this one might work.
Link Posted: 12/4/2018 11:35:39 AM EST
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Originally Posted By branflake12:
There is a company making a safety delete that i used to get rid of my right hand lever, as it dug in bad.

https://hbindustries.net/store/product-category/bt-products/

you may contact them and see if they can do one for the left side, or if this one might work.
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Won’t work on the other side. The left side selector is the the actual pin that goes through as well. A lot more involved part.
My best bet would be to file/Dremel down a spare
Link Posted: 12/4/2018 1:07:01 PM EST
[#14]
Sometimes I hate this place.  Ordered an APC9 today, hopefully it shows up early next week.  And after watching some youtube videos, I'm pretty certain I'll be into an APC9SD early next year.  I think I'll hold off for the PRO SD, but I will most likely get the can and start the paperwork for that right after the holidays.  I need to be picking up some OT.
Link Posted: 12/4/2018 2:55:08 PM EST
[#15]
I just got the approved Form 1 for my APC9.

What is the consensus on where is the best place for discreet NFA engraving?
Link Posted: 12/4/2018 6:26:34 PM EST
[#16]
Tarheel State Firearms laser engraved mine in the bottom of the forearm next to “B&T USA”, you have to be looking for it to notice it.
Link Posted: 12/4/2018 7:28:09 PM EST
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Originally Posted By westford86:
I just got the approved Form 1 for my APC9.

What is the consensus on where is the best place for discreet NFA engraving?
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See posts at the top of this page.
Link Posted: 12/4/2018 9:27:08 PM EST
[#18]
Just shot my apc9 sbr with the factory folder and was suprised how much sharper the recoil was compared to my full size mp5 sbr with a2 stock...anyone else notice this? I know the mp5 was smooth but shooting them side by side is really noticable.
Link Posted: 12/4/2018 10:10:00 PM EST
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Originally Posted By 45pulse:
Just shot my apc9 sbr with the factory folder and was suprised how much sharper the recoil was compared to my full size mp5 sbr with a2 stock...anyone else notice this? I know the mp5 was smooth but shooting them side by side is really noticable.
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I shoot my HK MP5 along side my B&T APC9 all the time... yes the recoil is sharper... but I don't know if I would say much sharper. All blow back PCC's are going to feel a little sharper that the ultra smooth roller lock system of the MP5. If I could only have one PCC... it would be one of the HK MP5's platform.
Link Posted: 12/4/2018 11:11:24 PM EST
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Its hard to describe by typing...ill look into it but we are talking 50% more recoil with a hydro buffered system...should be a little smoother imo. Even compared to my sbr zenith z5-p.
Link Posted: 12/5/2018 8:56:21 PM EST
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Well I finally got down to THSF to see Scott and picked up 6 more suppressors that the stamps had come back on... two of them being Sico Omega 9SD suppressors for my two APC9SD's. I finally got them all put together and up on the wall tonight. The suppressors only stick out around 3/8 of an inch. It makes the whole package super compact which is exactly what I wanted. I have to say I am dying to get to the range now to test these APC9SD's out. I will give a short range report after that takes place. Unfortunately it probably won't be this weekend because they are predicting snow.

Link Posted: 12/5/2018 8:59:21 PM EST
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Originally Posted By dirtyharriett:
Well I finally got down to THSF to see Scott and picked up 6 more suppressors that the stamps had come back on... two of them being Sico Omega 9SD suppressors for my two APC9SD's. I finally got them all put together and up on the wall tonight. The suppressors only stick out around 3/8 of an inch. It makes the whole package super compact which is exactly what I wanted. I have to say I am dying to get to the range now to test these APC9SD's out. I will give a short range report after that takes place. Unfortunately it probably won't be this weekend because they are predicting snow.

https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/121296/B_T_wall_120518-762212.jpg
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That wall is awesome!!
Link Posted: 12/5/2018 9:22:52 PM EST
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Originally Posted By dirtyharriett:
Well I finally got down to THSF to see Scott and picked up 6 more suppressors that the stamps had come back on... two of them being Sico Omega 9SD suppressors for my two APC9SD's. I finally got them all put together and up on the wall tonight. The suppressors only stick out around 3/8 of an inch. It makes the whole package super compact which is exactly what I wanted. I have to say I am dying to get to the range now to test these APC9SD's out. I will give a short range report after that takes place. Unfortunately it probably won't be this weekend because they are predicting snow.

https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/121296/B_T_wall_120518-762212.jpg
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OMG!  AMAZED AND JEALOUS AT THE SAME TIME..lol
I’d love to get an APC SD at some point.
Link Posted: 12/6/2018 1:37:37 PM EST
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Wow that wall keeps getting better. Which in itself is amazing.

You deserve to be first in line for the VP9 to round out your collection!
Link Posted: 12/6/2018 1:50:21 PM EST
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Originally Posted By FADALdude:
Wow that wall keeps getting better. Which in itself is amazing.

You deserve to be first in line for the VP9 to round out your collection!
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Woah, woah, woah. I’m impressed with the collection, but let’s not start handing out VP9s just yet.
Link Posted: 12/6/2018 2:04:13 PM EST
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Originally Posted By goloud:
Woah, woah, woah. I’m impressed with the collection, but let’s not start handing out VP9s just yet.
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Originally Posted By FADALdude:
Wow that wall keeps getting better. Which in itself is amazing.

You deserve to be first in line for the VP9 to round out your collection!
Woah, woah, woah. I’m impressed with the collection, but let’s not start handing out VP9s just yet.
No worries from me... the VP9 is not on my B&T list to acquire. IF I purchase any more of the B&T's I know of at this time in the future... it would probably be an APC300 & APC308. The reality is I need neither and will probably keep my B&T collection just as it is for quite some time. (my B&T USW is not shown... it is now on my pistol display wall).
Link Posted: 12/6/2018 2:07:55 PM EST
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Originally Posted By dirtyharriett:

No worries from me... the VP9 is not on my B&T list to acquire. IF I purchase any more of the B&T's I know of at this time in the future... it would probably be an APC300 & APC308. The reality is I need neither and will probably keep my B&T collection just as it is for quite some time. (my B&T USW is not shown... it is now on my pistol display wall).
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Kidding obv. That wall is impressive.
Link Posted: 12/6/2018 7:26:50 PM EST
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SD video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPpRmH7ZPsY
Link Posted: 12/6/2018 8:52:18 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Dr_Nimslow:

Thanks!

I don't suppose you have the collapsable stock on yours?  Looking for the OAL with that stock now.
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@Dr_Nimslow

IIRC my APC9 with the telescoping stock measured ~16.75" OAL in its shortest configuration.
Link Posted: 12/7/2018 7:08:17 PM EST
[#30]
I'm a lefty also so just remove the safety and block sand it down to your comfort level. Others that have looked at mine can not even tell I modded the safety lever.
Link Posted: 12/9/2018 6:41:09 PM EST
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Well as predicted I wasn't able to get to the range because we got a foot of snow dumped on us. I did however spend some of the day working with my APC9SDs to get them into their final configuration. I moved the front rails from the rear position to the front and moved the new B&T angled fore grip a little farther back. I felt this gives the most comfortable hand position. All that is left now is a range test. I have to admit getting rid of all of the unsightly remains of the Loctite from the where the rear rail was removed was a pain in the butt. I would have never been able to do it without that Loctite clean up solvent. It still took a lot of effort and very careful clean up to make sure I did not damage the original finish. Below is a close up picture of the final product.

Link Posted: 12/9/2018 7:07:45 PM EST
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Very Nice
I love the look of the Omega 9SD on it.
I too have found that B&T is pretty liberal with the Loctite at the factory.
Link Posted: 12/10/2018 5:59:37 PM EST
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Christmas came a little early at m house!  Scott at THSF did the engraving for me, before it shipped, so I'll be trying out my first eform 1 tonight.  There is a folding charging handle in there somewhere as well.

Link Posted: 12/10/2018 6:10:09 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Dr_Nimslow:
Christmas came a little early at m house!  Scott at THSF did the engraving for me, before it shipped, so I'll be trying out my first eform 1 tonight.  There is a folding charging handle in there somewhere as well.

https://i.imgur.com/XVWKX2X.jpg
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Congrats man!!!
Link Posted: 12/10/2018 6:21:24 PM EST
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Originally Posted By dirtyharriett:

Congrats man!!!
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Thanks!  You really have to put your hands on one, to appreciate the quality of construction.  Part of me wishes I'd held out for the PRO, but this will work fine.  The dealer had my Form 4 ready for my first 9mm suppressor today, that wait is going to suck.
Link Posted: 12/10/2018 6:43:24 PM EST
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I wouldn’t mind seeing if the cz tailhook setup would be made to fit with an adaper to the APC9.



Kind of like puting an acr stock on a Bren

Link Posted: 12/10/2018 10:29:59 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Dr_Nimslow:
Christmas came a little early at m house!  Scott at THSF did the engraving for me, before it shipped, so I'll be trying out my first eform 1 tonight.  There is a folding charging handle in there somewhere as well.

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Very Nice! Congrats! FYI the eform system T/A has been very fast. I’ve gotten 2 back in 12 days. You should have your stock on it in no time
Link Posted: 12/11/2018 11:47:35 AM EST
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Link Posted: 12/11/2018 8:28:43 PM EST
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Originally Posted By dirtyharriett:
Well as predicted I wasn't able to get to the range because we got a foot of snow dumped on us. I did however spend some of the day working with my APC9SDs to get them into their final configuration. I moved the front rails from the rear position to the front and moved the new B&T angled fore grip a little farther back. I felt this gives the most comfortable hand position. All that is left now is a range test. I have to admit getting rid of all of the unsightly remains of the Loctite from the where the rear rail was removed was a pain in the butt. I would have never been able to do it without that Loctite clean up solvent. It still took a lot of effort and very careful clean up to make sure I did not damage the original finish. Below is a close up picture of the final product.

https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/121296/B_T_APC9SD-766830.jpg
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I'll be in my bunk
Link Posted: 12/26/2018 5:59:18 PM EST
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Originally Posted By bestiller:

Very Nice! Congrats! FYI the eform system T/A has been very fast. I’ve gotten 2 back in 12 days. You should have your stock on it in no time
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Sadly, it looks like my efile form 1 got stuck in FBI background check purgatory right before the shutdown so who knows how long it will be now.

I did install the Super APC trigger today.  It feels great, no issues for me with the trigger bow position.  But it may be too light for my liking.  I believe it has the heavier hammer spring, but there was only one included, so I cant be sure until I check with Geissele.
Link Posted: 12/28/2018 9:04:22 AM EST
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I couldn’t fight it any longer, I added an APC9SD with a B&T SD suppressor to the fold and got to pick up the gun yesterday afternoon and even got a crappy picture of the gun and suppressor consummating they’re relationship before my dealer took the suppressor away to the safe. I added an Aimpoint Micro and a SB Tactical Brace when I got it home and then bored my wife to death with the disassembly presentation and lecture on how it works...lol..Anyway, couldn’t resist posting a couple of very bad pictures.

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Link Posted: 12/28/2018 9:19:03 AM EST
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I couldn’t fight it any longer, I added an APC9SD with a B&T SD suppressor to the fold and got to pick up the gun yesterday afternoon and even got a crappy picture of the gun and suppressor consummating they’re relationship before my dealer took the suppressor away to the safe. I added an Aimpoint Micro and a SB Tactical Brace when I got it home and then bored my wife to death with the disassembly presentation and lecture on how it works...lol..Anyway, couldn’t resist posting a couple of very bad pictures.

https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/59839/38878406-8D4E-45CA-9241-92B1A49513EC_jpeg-787766.JPG
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Congrats man... I promise you won't regret it!!!!
Link Posted: 12/29/2018 4:41:43 PM EST
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@dirtyharriett

Have you had a chance to shoot your SD with the Omega 9 yet?  An SD is my project for next year, I just have to decide if I want to go with the B&T can or the Omega 9.
Link Posted: 12/29/2018 6:07:47 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Dr_Nimslow:
@dirtyharriett

Have you had a chance to shoot your SD with the Omega 9 yet?  An SD is my project for next year, I just have to decide if I want to go with the B&T can or the Omega 9.
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Plan on going to the range tomorrow. I will give a range report when I get back. Please keep in mind that between the weather and the Christmas rush at work it will be my first chance to get there in weeks.
Link Posted: 12/29/2018 6:12:35 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Dr_Nimslow:
@dirtyharriett

Have you had a chance to shoot your SD with the Omega 9 yet?  An SD is my project for next year, I just have to decide if I want to go with the B&T can or the Omega 9.
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I personally planned on going with an Omega 9 SD as well but I got a very good package deal on the gun and suppressor together. But the B&T adds quite a bit of length that I’d prefer not to have and the Omega is supposedly just as quiet if not more quiet in a shorter package. I’d go Omega SD all the way if starting from scratch.
Link Posted: 12/29/2018 10:17:06 PM EST
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Originally Posted By bestiller:

I personally planned on going with an Omega 9 SD as well but I got a very good package deal on the gun and suppressor together. But the B&T adds quite a bit of length that I’d prefer not to have and the Omega is supposedly just as quiet if not more quiet in a shorter package. I’d go Omega SD all the way if starting from scratch.
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The HK guys seem to love the TPM suppressors, they are local to me, might have to look into that also.
Link Posted: 12/30/2018 9:39:16 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Dr_Nimslow:
The HK guys seem to love the TPM suppressors, they are local to me, might have to look into that also.
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Originally Posted By bestiller:

I personally planned on going with an Omega 9 SD as well but I got a very good package deal on the gun and suppressor together. But the B&T adds quite a bit of length that I’d prefer not to have and the Omega is supposedly just as quiet if not more quiet in a shorter package. I’d go Omega SD all the way if starting from scratch.
The HK guys seem to love the TPM suppressors, they are local to me, might have to look into that also.
I’m waiting on NFA paperwork to clear on a TPM SD suppressor as well, for an MP5SD I have coming from TSC.
Link Posted: 12/30/2018 7:43:50 PM EST
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Well I finally got to the range today with a decent selection of mostly B&T weapon systems. It was the first nice non raining day since the Christmas madness ended that I had a chance to break away and get to the range. My main focus for this range trip besides fun was to test my two B&T APC9SD's for the first time since getting the suppressor stamps back. Well I was extremely pleased in how well they performed and they were a real pleasure to shoot. The only thing I have to say is that with standard ammunition I thought the "PERCEIVED" sound reduction was not as quiet through the Sico Omega 9SD as I had expected.

I brought several other firearms along to compare them to with the two other quietest being an HK MP5 with a Gemtech MK9K suppressor and a B&T TP9 with TP9 suppressor. I did however not shoot any subsonic ammo from the APC9SD's yet so it was not exactly a fair comparison to the others using subsonics. I really need to get one of those high end DB measuring devices but I have just not been able to break away from firearm and accessories acquisitions to pony up for one yet. I will say I thought they were very hearing safe. I shot many rounds through the APC9SD's with no hearing protection and had no ringing in my ears or discomfort at all. Overall I was very pleased and I look forward to many more tests to run these guys through their paces.
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I did however not shoot any subsonic ammo from the APC9SD's yet
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I was under the impression you're not suppose to do that.
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I was under the impression you're not suppose to do that.
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Originally Posted By dirtyharriett:
I did however not shoot any subsonic ammo from the APC9SD's yet
I was under the impression you're not suppose to do that.
That is what many say... but you can read up on people shooting the HK MP5SD's and some of those folks shoot subsonic ammo without any issues. I will do this in a limited way next time at the range and will monitor each shot just to make sure I don't get a squib. I hope in the near future to get a chronograph and will also test for FPS with subs just to see what the average maintained speed is. Only time and testing will tell if it is truly safe or not shooting subs from the APC9SD.
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