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Belgian FN FAL Kits (Page 2 of 3)
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Originally Posted By Izhevsk54r: https://fnestore.com/fn-fal-kit tried to check out, but I get an error message "There are 1 or more items in your cart that are not legally allowed to ship to your selected destination. If you believe this to be an error, please contact Customer Service at (844) 897-0675." Originally Posted By Izhevsk54r: Originally Posted By stimpsonjcat: Originally Posted By SapperSCLA2: I was just on their website and loaded one into cart and it allows checkout. Not sure what’s up with that but maybe just place the order? Link? https://fnestore.com/fn-fal-kit tried to check out, but I get an error message "There are 1 or more items in your cart that are not legally allowed to ship to your selected destination. If you believe this to be an error, please contact Customer Service at (844) 897-0675." They won't ship these to California even though there are literally no legal issues with doing so at all. FN is taking this stuff over the top. I even saw a 922r disclaimer on the page, lol. |
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Originally Posted By Jozsi: I got my code...was gonna order......then stopped by the pawn shop and saw a SAR48 for 1499. It has problems like no rear sight, it has a cheesy scope mount and leupold rifle scope and it's missing the flash hider and has some muzzle brake on it. No magazine.....Got it for $1350....all of the stuff can be fixed. Fuck that shit waiting for a DSA receiver and barrel..... $1350 for a pre ban SAR48 made by an FN licensed factory...... Exactly. I still have my SAR 48 Bush Rifle I bought new in the fall of 1988. |
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Originally Posted By Izhevsk54r: https://fnestore.com/fn-fal-kit tried to check out, but I get an error message "There are 1 or more items in your cart that are not legally allowed to ship to your selected destination. If you believe this to be an error, please contact Customer Service at (844) 897-0675." Gah, sorry and thanks for helping out there. It loaded into cart and I didn’t finish checkout to see if it would complete. Just appeared that it would. Apologies there |
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Originally Posted By bigstick61: From what I recall, the Belgian pronunciation is close to that of the word "fall", which is how I saw it. Some folks here say the letters or pronounce the acronym in a way that rhymes with the word "pal", which I find the oddest. Why is that odd? That's how an English speaker would pronounce it as a word, just like "pal". |
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Originally Posted By Jozsi: I got my code...was gonna order......then stopped by the pawn shop and saw a SAR48 for 1499. It has problems like no rear sight, it has a cheesy scope mount and leupold rifle scope and it's missing the flash hider and has some muzzle brake on it. No magazine.....Got it for $1350....all of the stuff can be fixed. Fuck that shit waiting for a DSA receiver and barrel..... $1350 for a pre ban SAR48 made by an FN licensed factory...... Order the hooded rear sight from DSA as a replacement instead of the standard one, it's a lot nicer to shoot. |
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Originally Posted By IdahoDoug: Someone remind me what the bolt with the tail on it is called? Para carriers don't have the tail. |
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Attached File Attached File Attached File I'll upload close-ups of the small parts tomorrow. Overall, the flash makes it look rougher than it really is. I'm pretty happy with the condition. |
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Originally Posted By jwc179: anyone else have a kit code they wont be using? I have a code I won't be using. I also have an Argentine barrel. ETA Barrel sold and code sent. |
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Yes, send it to ARS and it will be as close to perfect as humanly possible. I think he just started taking work again. My son has a Para FAL that ARS built and it's great. My son has another Para kit going out to him soon and I need to send ARS one of my FALs that someone else built that has issues. He built an L1A1 for me years ago and it was perfection !! |
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Originally Posted By EMSflyer: Yes, send it to ARS and it will be as close to perfect as humanly possible. I think he just started taking work again. My son has a Para FAL that ARS built and it's great. My son has another Para kit going out to him soon and I need to send ARS one of my FALs that someone else built that has issues. He built an L1A1 for me years ago and it was perfection !! Hi EMSFlyer! Thanks for the information on that, was the kind of response I was hoping for. I hope to contact ARS this week and ask his thoughts on these FN kits. Be interesting to hear of the master gun plumber thinks there is anything special about these particular imports. Appreciate the reply again, stay safe out (up) there |
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Attached File Arrived today. 127/400. |
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DSA has a notification page with pictures up on their website for their take on the receiver: https://www.dsarms.com/p-17494-dsa-sa58-special-gendarmerie-marked-stripped-semi-auto-fal-receiver-type-3-carry-handle-cut-762x51-mm.aspx |
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Originally Posted By Janus: DSA has a notification page with pictures up on their website for their take on the receiver: https://www.dsarms.com/p-17494-dsa-sa58-special-gendarmerie-marked-stripped-semi-auto-fal-receiver-type-3-carry-handle-cut-762x51-mm.aspx I thought they were going to build them? I see a receiver and someone asked their CS who said they were also doing barrels without gas blocks. |
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Originally Posted By YaBoyKGTho: I thought they were going to build them? I see a receiver and someone asked their CS who said they were also doing barrels without gas blocks. We offer a service to professionally install your gas block on our barrels using our heavy duty precision alignment fixture. We also offer build services for your kit and DSA or Imbel receiver. Our rates are extremely fair and our services are very 30-45 days as of right now. |
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Originally Posted By DSArms_FAL: We offer a service to professionally install your gas block on our barrels using our heavy duty precision alignment fixture. We also offer build services for your kit and DSA or Imbel receiver. Our rates are extremely fair and our services are very 30-45 days as of right now. Thanks! Do you have an estimate on when everything will be ready to and I can ship the kit off? |
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IMPORTANT NOTE PLEASE READ AND COMPREHEND You have to order and take possession of your receiver. This is because we are not building a factory rifle with FET tax built into the price. This is the only way to do this with us. We will not build any other way you must order your receiver and take possession of it from your FFL then send it and your kit to us for building. All parts including the receiver are in stock as of right now. Please contact customer service for assistance and lead times. Thanks |
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Originally Posted By DSArms_FAL: IMPORTANT NOTE PLEASE READ AND COMPREHEND You have to order and take possession of your receiver. This is because we are not building a factory rifle with FET tax built into the price. This is the only way to do this with us. We will not build any other way you must order your receiver and take possession of it from your FFL then send it and your kit to us for building. All parts including the receiver are in stock as of right now. Please contact customer service for assistance and lead times. Thanks What receiver types will you be offering besides the type 3? And how will matching serial numbers work? Thanks! |
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Originally Posted By Circle10: What receiver types will you be offering besides the type 3? And how will matching serial numbers work? Thanks! Curious about the same thing. I don’t know much about FAL but thought the M2 version used the type 1 receiver. Would be interested in that for sure. |
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Originally Posted By DSArms_FAL: IMPORTANT NOTE PLEASE READ AND COMPREHEND You have to order and take possession of your receiver. This is because we are not building a factory rifle with FET tax built into the price. This is the only way to do this with us. We will not build any other way you must order your receiver and take possession of it from your FFL then send it and your kit to us for building. All parts including the receiver are in stock as of right now. Please contact customer service for assistance and lead times. Thanks None of them show as in-stock on the website :( |
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Originally Posted By SapperSCLA2: Curious about the same thing. I don’t know much about FAL but thought the M2 version used the type 1 receiver. Would be interested in that for sure. Originally Posted By SapperSCLA2: Originally Posted By Circle10: What receiver types will you be offering besides the type 3? And how will matching serial numbers work? Thanks! Curious about the same thing. I don’t know much about FAL but thought the M2 version used the type 1 receiver. Would be interested in that for sure. Gendarmerie FALs either lack an M designation or are the M5. Typically made in Type 3 receivers although perhaps some were ordered during the Type 4 period (cast version). M2 were ordered for the regular Belgian military. I forget if any were ordered for the Force Publique in Africa as well, or if that was only the M1. M2s have a lightweight lower and other parts, charger guide top cover, fiberglass handguard, plain muzzle with bayonet lug, and a Type C stock. Most have already been destroyed AFAIK. I do have some M2 parts I bought from a member in Belgium as well as some M3 parts (LW para model still used for training at the commando school). |
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Originally Posted By bigstick61: Gendarmerie FALs either lack an M designation or are the M5. Typically made in Type 3 receivers although perhaps some were ordered during the Type 4 period (cast version). M2 were ordered for the regular Belgian military. I forget if any were ordered for the Force Publique in Africa as well, or if that was only the M1. M2s have a lightweight lower and other parts, charger guide top cover, fiberglass handguard, plain muzzle with bayonet lug, and a Type C stock. Most have already been destroyed AFAIK. I do have some M2 parts I bought from a member in Belgium as well as some M3 parts (LW para model still used for training at the commando school). A cast type 3 would be a great receiver for these kits. The kits appear to be very late production FALs with cast gas blocks cast lowers cast sling swivels cast etc… |
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Originally Posted By bigstick61: Gendarmerie FALs either lack an M designation or are the M5. Typically made in Type 3 receivers although perhaps some were ordered during the Type 4 period (cast version). M2 were ordered for the regular Belgian military. I forget if any were ordered for the Force Publique in Africa as well, or if that was only the M1. M2s have a lightweight lower and other parts, charger guide top cover, fiberglass handguard, plain muzzle with bayonet lug, and a Type C stock. Most have already been destroyed AFAIK. I do have some M2 parts I bought from a member in Belgium as well as some M3 parts (LW para model still used for training at the commando school). The M5 is just a tear gas launcher? The Gd rifles were the same as the army, even if they didn’t have the designation right? Anyone have a picture of these rifles from around the time when they were first issued? |
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Attached File Attached File Not my pics, but from FalFiles. To anyone interested, there's a thread over there that documents specifics on some of the 400 kits. If you have one, I'd encourage you to share. Thanks. |
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Originally Posted By SapperSCLA2: The M5 is just a tear gas launcher? The Gd rifles were the same as the army, even if they didn’t have the designation right? Anyone have a picture of these rifles from around the time when they were first issued? Originally Posted By SapperSCLA2: Originally Posted By bigstick61: Gendarmerie FALs either lack an M designation or are the M5. Typically made in Type 3 receivers although perhaps some were ordered during the Type 4 period (cast version). M2 were ordered for the regular Belgian military. I forget if any were ordered for the Force Publique in Africa as well, or if that was only the M1. M2s have a lightweight lower and other parts, charger guide top cover, fiberglass handguard, plain muzzle with bayonet lug, and a Type C stock. Most have already been destroyed AFAIK. I do have some M2 parts I bought from a member in Belgium as well as some M3 parts (LW para model still used for training at the commando school). The M5 is just a tear gas launcher? The Gd rifles were the same as the army, even if they didn’t have the designation right? Anyone have a picture of these rifles from around the time when they were first issued? Army had the M1, M2, M3, and whatever they designated the FALO (they had two contracts of them from what I can tell, one of which had a "ZM" serial number prefix). FN Model DA1, which uses FAL mags, was also used in this role. IIRC, the Gendarmerie made use of some Army stuff but also bought its own rifles, which were of later production (21" fixed-butt models), some of which ultimately had a cup discharger replace the combo device (these, at the very least, were designated M5 and some ended up with the Army; the guy who posted the pics above had his unit issued them during his Balkans deployment in the 1990s). M1 is the first generation fixed-butt 21" FAL they used. Very early pattern with Type 1 receiver, Type A lower, Type A butt, all-wood furniture, charger-guide top cover, open ear front sight base, tall rear sights, and NBC barrel with plain muzzle and bayonet lug. Some later ones show some of the changes in the gas system as things transitioned to the final version. Some are marked for the Force Publique in the Congo, to which they were issued. M2 succeeded the M1. It incorporates more mainstream production features such as the Type C gas system. It is a lightweight model, which means the lower and some other parts were hiduminium instead of steel. It retains the NBC 21" plain lugged barrel. It also retains the charger guide, but the cover is hiduminium. Butt is Type C, handguard is fiberglass instead of wood, carry handle grip is plastic instead of wood, charging handle knob is now plastic, and the pistol grip is plastic instead of wood and has the serial number engraved on it (as lightweight lowers were not stamped with the number). Upper and lower are Type 1. M3 replaced the M2 among the paras that got that model (Belgian paras left a bunch behind for the Katangese during the Congo Crisis). It is a 17.2" NBC-barreled lightweight para model. It has the fixed rear sight, fiberglass NBC handguards, a carry handle, and a fixed charging handle. They have a mix of Type 1, Type 2, and transitional receivers (what some call a "Type 1.5" and one that is in-between that and a Type 1). Type 2s also have a horizontal frame lock lever. "Sniper" versions of each of these were made and while originally made with black paint for the finish, many were painted or repainted grey and some have a mix of black and grey painted parts. Late purchases of replacement furniture was of plastic furniture, so sometimes that could be seen on these guns. Gendarmerie rifles appear to use Type 3 and/or 4 receivers. They are 21" threaded BC barrels with combo devices, with some having it replaced with cup dischargers. IIRC, some did get shipped with bipods and some had grenade sight gas plugs, but I don't recall for sure. They were not lightweight models, had all-plastic furniture, and a black paint finish. Ten-round mags were sometimes issued with the Gendarmerie rifles, especially those with the cup dischargers. These were also used for launching cartridges for other rifles as well as for sniper models. Factory mags of this type have features which distinguish them from 10-rounders cut down from 20s here in the U.S. |
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Belgian FN FAL Kits (Page 2 of 3)
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