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Benelli M4 Clones......Any Comparisons or Reviews (Page 5 of 65)
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Originally Posted By cdholmes: Panzer M4 came in today. Added a Benelli field stock. Now to find a 7rd tube since you savages bought all the Dave’s tubes. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/414212/2DE29B5F-2AAA-4224-86E5-7DA0E8AD0AA1_jpe-1812595.JPG That was fast! Did you disassemble it yet? How do the gas pistons look. I saw some pics of someones that one piston was finished all the way. |
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Originally Posted By Ivan1: That was fast! Did you disassemble it yet? How do the gas pistons look. I saw some pics of someones that one piston was finished all the way. Both of the pistons were stainless/chrome. |
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DeltaMike NZ added a Backorder option to the listing. I had sent an email requesting preordering the stock and they responded with, We usually avoid taking orders until we have stock on hand, but quite have people have asked so I’ve enabled backorders on the stocks. Feel free to let your other forum members know. We’ll be able to make sure we bring in enough stocks for everyone who backorders. Cheers, Alex Telescoping Stock |
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Originally Posted By onealphay2k: DeltaMike NZ added a Backorder option to the listing. I had sent an email requesting preordering the stock and they responded with, We usually avoid taking orders until we have stock on hand, but quite have people have asked so I’ve enabled backorders on the stocks. Feel free to let your other forum members know. We’ll be able to make sure we bring in enough stocks for everyone who backorders. Cheers, Alex Telescoping Stock Perhaps it was already mentioned but what's the shipping run for most people in the US? |
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Originally Posted By BorderDave: Does anyone know where the Delta Mike stock is made? I guess it’s too much to hope that it’s US made and would count as a 922r part. I'm betting it's also Turkish What I'd like to see is what sling mount options the collapsible stock has |
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Originally Posted By castroyy: My panzer order got screwed up. Anyways I grabbed SDS SAX2 from Aim. Hopefully DAve's tube fits fine. Looks like all the other to me. Classic? It should fit. Everything I’ve read, these are probably all made in the same factory. I mean, how many turkish arms makers are making m4 clones? |
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Originally Posted By castroyy: No I screwed up my panzer order. I just ordered the one from Aim. Zero info about it. However, when I ordered a few of the Four Peaks there wasn’t one video or review then either. Now they are showing up. If I don’t like it I’ll hang it on the wall for sale. The AIM gun looks the same as the panzer and toros |
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Originally Posted By Norinco982lover: The AIM gun looks the same as the panzer and toros I just handled the capolla T4 tonight and I can’t see any difference other than the price. |
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Got the OEM recoil tube off. Major kudos to StrangerDanger’s guide over at the Benelli Forum to getting it loose. Since the mag tube was so easy with the propane torch, figured this would be quick too. Nope.  Very obviously they used green thread locker as mentioned in the post, so I spent a good few minutes hearing that nut up. Eventually the whole tube twisted off before that nut came loose. Whatever, I’m not reusing it. After heating it sufficiently, it did twist off with arm pressure, I held the receiver in my other hand to get enough torque, didn’t use a vise. Attached File Attached File Used a brass brush to clean up the receiver threads but the receiver is still hot enough to melt the plastic on the brush handle. Installation will follow after this bastard cools down. Also, sling options on the collapsing stock. There’s a gap at the top for a simple sling and QD cups on both sides for QD swivel, of which it includes one. It’s an ideal setup. Attached File ETA - Tools used. Use gloves, this gets very very hot all over the tube and receiver! Attached File Also heated that nut up for another minute and broke it loose. Very liberal amounts of threadlocker. It smells bad when it lets go.  Attached File |
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My panzer is here. Bolt is chrome. Magazine tube installed in 5 minutes. Was not even hand tight (doesn’t have to be due to the design) don’t bother trying to take off the magazine tube extension, you don’t have to and it’s locked on there. Will install the collapsible stock from NZ when it arrives tomorrow if I can. If not, Wednesday morning. So far I’m impressed. Can’t shoot it til weather clears up. Edit: used a map/pro torch to remove the buffer tube. Hopefully didn’t get it too hot. It was quick work with that. Going to sell my mesa stock with cheek riser and use the collapsible. I did hold it up against the factory stock and you probably save at least 2” off the length of pull. Edit: took my recoil tube and all that crap off...and USPS lost my collapsible stock somewhere in San francisco. If they don’t find it soon I’m going to be heartbroken!  |
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Got my M4 in today. Benelli m4 stock fit good. Needed a little shim to tighten it up a little. Mepro night sights fit well. Sight screws do not have detents. 7rd tube fits perfect. Need to get the inner tube cap. Waiting on my collapsible stock (still butt hurt over it lol) got ~100 rds down range so far. Low brass bulk pack. Initially would cycle at all. Just fire 25rds win bulk and had 4 stoppages. Smoothed all the contact points with 400 grit emery cloth, think that really helped. Action isn't gritty anymore. 
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Originally Posted By castroyy: My panzer order got screwed up. Anyways I grabbed SDS SAX2 from Aim. Hopefully DAve's tube fits fine. Looks like all the other to me. I went back and forth between this and the Four Peaks/Toros. Ultimately I went with the Toros since I couldn't find as much feedback on the SDS. I'll be interested in hearing your impressions. |
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I talked to AIM first thing Monday. I sent over my FFL info and they said it would ship right out. That was Monday, and hasn't shipped yet. We'll see. Hopefully it's nice. Question. I already have the 7 round mag tube waiting. Now I'm reading about a Nordic adapter that threads on, and you can buy their +3 to bring it to 10. I wonder how long that will be!!!! Anyone tried it? EDIT** I checked and they have provided shipping now and the order now says complete. So I should have it hopefully tomorrow if they ship today. They aren't too far from me at all. |
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Originally Posted By SNAFU-M1A: I got an email, Classic Firearms now has the SDS Radikal for sale as well. $500, same price as Aim. $599 yeah looks the same as the panzer. Maybe these companies can only import so many at a time and have to go through various importers to get more in. |
I'm no holster sniffer but if someone burned down the town garage and threw canned corn at the snow plow guys I'd drop off a case of beer at the DPW. ~Aimless
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Originally Posted By castroyy: I talked to AIM first thing Monday. I sent over my FFL info and they said it would ship right out. That was Monday, and hasn't shipped yet. We'll see. Hopefully it's nice. Question. I already have the 7 round mag tube waiting. Now I'm reading about a Nordic adapter that threads on, and you can buy their +3 to bring it to 10. I wonder how long that will be!!!! Anyone tried it? EDIT** I checked and they have provided shipping now and the order now says complete. So I should have it hopefully tomorrow if they ship today. They aren't too far from me at all. Good deal. Classic is super slow to ship. I’m a few days short of being a month and it hasn’t shipped yet. |
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My A&S trigger guard/housing arrived today. Transplanting the bits and pieces over took about 20 minutes, everything fit very nicely. Function check after is good, hammer doesn't drop when it shouldn't, does when it should. The machined aluminum of the A&S unit is very high quality compared to the almost throwaway quality of the OEM polymer one. Highly recommend it. One difference that I noted, which also happens for "real" Benelli M4s, charging the shotgun from hammer down with the safety on with the aluminum group is not possible. Apparently this is taught in Benelli armorer school; the polymer groups flex just enough to allow the bolt to come back, while the aluminum ones don't flex and therefore block it. Not a huge deal, I don't have any muscle memory to fight here. The bolt's locking back for two reasons: one, you ran dry shooting; two, you've just uncased it at the range and are ready to load up. Situation 1, well, you were already safety off, so what. Situation 2, flip your safety off, lock the bolt back, flip the safety on, commence loading.  Receiver looks gold from the lighting in my office, pretty cool. So the final setup: - US mag tube from Dave's Metal Works - US follower from NDZ Performance - US handguards from Freedom Fighter Tactical - US trigger housing from A&S Engineering - US Kley-Zion enlarged bolt handle - Sulun Tac-12 stock kit I need to stop spending money on this thing now.  |
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| Interesting that there are different bolt colors on the Panzers. Reports are that guns in the 0005xx range (and perhaps all other guns prior to that?) have chrome bolts and ones with higher serials have black bolts. Sounds like Classic may be shipping guns in a last in, first out order since the chrome bolts are just now showing up. |
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I'm installing the collapsible stock now, does it have the spring already inside the recoil tube? Do I need to re-use anything from the old assembly? Can't figure out how to get the collapsible stock off the tube. I thought someone said it could be removed like a traditional AR style stock but its not depressing down enough to pull off the tube. Seems I don’t need anything from the old assembly. 
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I'm no holster sniffer but if someone burned down the town garage and threw canned corn at the snow plow guys I'd drop off a case of beer at the DPW. ~Aimless
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Originally Posted By onealphay2k: If anyone is looking for a nice travel case for a couple M4's there is a deal posted in the Amazon Team thread that probably wont last long. https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/Amazon-clearance-deals-Team-member-edition/75-1697216/&page=882&anc=91033066#i91032616 I think I got the last one.  |
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Originally Posted By Norinco982lover: I'm installing the collapsible stock now, does it have the spring already inside the recoil tube? Do I need to re-use anything from the old assembly? Can't figure out how to get the collapsible stock off the tube. I thought someone said it could be removed like a traditional AR style stock but its not depressing down enough to pull off the tube. Seems I don’t need anything from the old assembly. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/243189/BDBE3BB9-FFCE-477E-B997-BD7B845B5717-1818996.jpg Looks awesome! But no, you didn't need anything from the old tube. The mind-boggling thing about that stock kit is it's a 100% ready to go set with a complete recoil tube assembly, grip, and stock for under $150. The equivalent Benelli parts total around $600-$700 if you got a "good" deal on the stock and grip.  I dunno how purist all Benelli guys are, but I could see a huuuuuuuuuge market for these for Sulun and a competent importer to sell to.I did pull my stock off but it required using gloves to get enough purchase on the latch to pull it down far enough. As it turns out, removing the stock from the tube is not required at all for installation as you discovered. I just like making my life harder. |
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MY SAX-2 came in from AIM today. Black bolt. Rear sight is setup wrong, as it's tilted. I will look into it tomorrow. I have the 7 round tube I will throw on tomorrow. Overall fit and finish are great. Great feeling shotgun. I'll post up pics after I replace the tube. Edit** Actually had a few minutes and tore her apart. Man that tube is in there good. I'll have to heat it up tomorrow. I got excited when others were saying it was barely hand tight. Oh well. |
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Alright. So I wouldn't have been able to sleep, so I put the 7 round tube on. I used a heat gun on the tube itself. That wasn't so bad. The plug was the pain. Man I finally hit it with a torch and she twisted right off. Pulled the cap out, changed out follower and spring. I think the worst part was fumbling with the hand guards forever. Then it hit me. I felt so dumb. I must have tried 20 times. The rear sight looks wonky. Then I thought it might be the front sight. One is canted to the right. I believe it's the rear. I'll have to put it on the bench this weekend and get that situated. They both still line up, just one is canted to the right. Other then that I'm digging her. Just need the stock and I'll be good to go.  
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Originally Posted By castroyy: Alright. So I wouldn't have been able to sleep, so I put the 7 round tube on. I used a heat gun on the tube itself. That wasn't so bad. The plug was the pain. Man I finally hit it with a torch and she twisted right off. Pulled the cap out, changed out follower and spring. I think the worst part was fumbling with the hand guards forever. Then it hit me. I felt so dumb. I must have tried 20 times. The rear sight looks wonky. Then I thought it might be the front sight. One is canted to the right. I believe it's the rear. I'll have to put it on the bench this weekend and get that situated. They both still line up, just one is canted to the right. Other then that I'm digging her. Just need the stock and I'll be good to go. https://i.imgur.com/dTaSb2G.jpg https://i.imgur.com/B7TZBdH.jpg I have a Charles Daly and I found the front sight canted too. I found that the barrel can twist very slightly when inserting into the receiver. I found that I can correct the can’t when twisting the barrel when inserting into the receiver. |
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Originally Posted By 556_Chowder: I have a Charles Daly and I found the front sight canted too. I found that the barrel can twist very slightly when inserting into the receiver. I found that I can correct the can’t when twisting the barrel when inserting into the receiver. Yeah I had tried that. Much appreciated though! I believe my rear scope is off tilt. I'ts flush on the chamber side, but not on the other side. So it's angled a bit. I'll see what I can do with it. It's not horrible, just bothers me. And I didn't realize that the rear assembly is bolted in from the inside. THat makes sense. |
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Ok. This thread is going to cost me money, how did I not know about these? I posted in the charles daly thread not realizing this is the better place to post. I have always wanted an m4...sbs m4 of course. This may be the best and cheapest way for me to make that happen. I am always late to the party, so hopefully I can find something instock soon. |
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Originally Posted By Bcamp15: Ok. This thread is going to cost me money, how did I not know about these? I posted in the charles daly thread not realizing this is the better place to post. I have always wanted an m4...sbs m4 of course. This may be the best and cheapest way for me to make that happen. I am always late to the party, so hopefully I can find something instock soon. I’ve had a real M4 for about 15 years but I’m still considering one of these clones as a beater.
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Benelli M4 Clones......Any Comparisons or Reviews (Page 5 of 65)
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