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 Originally Posted By TradWoodsman:Any idea where it is available? |
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Originally Posted By MONGO45: What are the advantages of the pro lifter...? It stays up/open after you press it up to load a shell. Theoretically could/should make loading the tube easier/faster. I've got one headed to C-Rums to get welded, and then it is getting installed. It only took one time (about 8 years ago) to rip my thumbnail off at a match....I learned my lesson. |
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Originally Posted By m4nut: Originally Posted By TradWoodsman:Any idea where it is available? How long ago? I have yet to see it in stock anywhere. I have emailed them to see if it is in stock. I did pick up 3 boxes of the Hornady Critical Defense. ETA: just got a response from them…… “Good afternoon and thanks for reaching out to us! We do not have that item available on our website at this time. We apologize for the inconvenience and hope you have a great day!” Since they got back with me so quick, I’ll keep them in mind the next time ordering something. |
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Originally Posted By Hillbilly62: How long ago? I have yet to see it in stock anywhere. I have emailed them to see if it is in stock. I did pick up 3 boxes of the Hornady Critical Defense. ETA: just got a response from them "Good afternoon and thanks for reaching out to us! We do not have that item available on our website at this time. We apologize for the inconvenience and hope you have a great day!" Since they got back with me so quick, I'll keep them in mind the next time ordering something. |
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Originally Posted By MONGO45: What are the advantages of the pro lifter...? It's a little easier to twin or quad load with it as it sits up out of the way. A lot of people install it because they think the standard lifter pinches their thumb...which it don't if you use good technique. Just bend the joint on your thumb closest to the end when you go to pull your thumb out of the magazine tube and it will trap the lifter against the bolt and prevent any pinching. |
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Originally Posted By John_Wayne777: It's a little easier to twin or quad load with it as it sits up out of the way. A lot of people install it because they think the standard lifter pinches their thumb...which it don't if you use good technique. Just bend the joint on your thumb closest to the end when you go to pull your thumb out of the magazine tube and it will trap the lifter against the bolt and prevent any pinching. I would say the biggest advantage is having the lifter out of the way in case the shell doesn’t get caught by the shell catch. Instead of the shell popping out on top of the lifter and preventing you from loading any further, the shell would just pop out on the ground (I assume you’d notice it didn’t catch before that happened). Tim with tactical response did this on camera, and he’s a pretty seasoned shotgun user. Technique gets face fucked by Murphy every once in a while. Pro lifter has a bunch of pros and not a single con that I can think of. |
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Well, my A300 is down. Went out to shoot today to test some ammo and play around with some light loads to see what it would cycle. Ended up with a dead trigger after 36rds. Hammer is cocked but the trigger is locked up and the safety can't be moved. I'll have to do some research so see what is going on and if my problem is related to the dead trigger issue some A300 field guns have had. I was shooting some crappy 3/4oz reloads with poor crimps and thought maybe a bb got lodged in the trigger pack but I'm not sure. I pulled the trigger pack out and really can't see anything without taking it apart farther. Not really confidence inspiring when I'm used to the reliability of my M2s  ETA. It did cycle the 15 1300fps 3/4oz loads I fired through it although ejection was weak. The low recoil fiocchi 1oz defense dynamics slugs I tried had weak ejection also and would jam if I held the gun loosely so those are out for serious work. |
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Originally Posted By gunner76: Well, my A300 is down. Went out to shoot today to test some ammo and play around with some light loads to see what it would cycle. Ended up with a dead trigger after 36rds. Hammer is cocked but the trigger is locked up and the safety can't be moved. I'll have to do some research so see what is going on and if my problem is related to the dead trigger issue some A300 field guns have had. I was shooting some crappy 3/4oz reloads with poor crimps and thought maybe a bb got lodged in the trigger pack but I'm not sure. I pulled the trigger pack out and really can't see anything without taking it apart farther. Not really confidence inspiring when I'm used to the reliability of my M2s ETA. It did cycle the 15 1300fps 3/4oz loads I fired through it although ejection was weak. The low recoil fiocchi 1oz defense dynamics slugs I tried had weak ejection also and would jam if I held the gun loosely so those are out for serious work. This is not good to hear. |
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Originally Posted By BoomToob: This is not good to hear. Originally Posted By BoomToob: This is not good to hear. Originally Posted By gunner76: Well, my A300 is down. Went out to shoot today to test some ammo and play around with some light loads to see what it would cycle. Ended up with a dead trigger after 36rds. Hammer is cocked but the trigger is locked up and the safety can't be moved. I'll have to do some research so see what is going on and if my problem is related to the dead trigger issue some A300 field guns have had. I was shooting some crappy 3/4oz reloads with poor crimps and thought maybe a bb got lodged in the trigger pack but I'm not sure. I pulled the trigger pack out and really can't see anything without taking it apart farther. Not really confidence inspiring when I'm used to the reliability of my M2s ETA. It did cycle the 15 1300fps 3/4oz loads I fired through it although ejection was weak. The low recoil fiocchi 1oz defense dynamics slugs I tried had weak ejection also and would jam if I held the gun loosely so those are out for serious work  Beretta A300 Ultima Issues | What to do about it? |
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That appears to be what my gun did. I could pull the trigger forward to reset it then when I dry fired the gun and cycled the action the trigger stuck back again. I pulled the trigger group out and then it started working and I could not see anything wrong so I put the gun back together, put some snap caps in and dry fired it about 25 times without any issues. I dont' know what to say. Maybe a BB did get down in there and it happened to fall out but I did not see a BB laying on the bench anywhere. Needless to say I'm pretty disappointed that I put over 100rds of expensive buckshot and slugs through the gun giving it a shake down and now I'm back to square one with trusting it but at least it happened on the range. I'm going to have a bunch of spare time in the next few days so I might take the gun back out and run a hundred rounds or so of target loads through it and see what happens. ETA. Found the problem. The gun started acting up again so I took it apart and removed the hammer and struts and a chewed up BB fell out of the bottom of the trigger group. I was wondering if that was the problem because years ago I had a BB that had fallen into the trigger group take a Benelli M2 out of service briefly, although with that gun I hand cycled the action a bunch of times until it started working then I found the sheared off BB when I stripped it down that night for cleaning. |
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Originally Posted By gunner76: That appears to be what my gun did. I could pull the trigger forward to reset it then when I dry fired the gun and cycled the action the trigger stuck back again. I pulled the trigger group out and then it started working and I could not see anything wrong so I put the gun back together, put some snap caps in and dry fired it about 25 times without any issues. I dont' know what to say. Maybe a BB did get down in there and it happened to fall out but I did not see a BB laying on the bench anywhere. Needless to say I'm pretty disappointed that I put over 100rds of expensive buckshot and slugs through the gun giving it a shake down and now I'm back to square one with trusting it but at least it happened on the range. I'm going to have a bunch of spare time in the next few days so I might take the gun back out and run a hundred rounds or so of target loads through it and see what happens. ETA. Found the problem. The gun started acting up again so I took it apart and removed the hammer and struts and a chewed up BB fell out of the bottom of the trigger group. I was wondering if that was the problem because years ago I had a BB that had fallen into the trigger group take a Benelli M2 out of service briefly, although with that gun I hand cycled the action a bunch of times until it started working then I found the sheared off BB when I stripped it down that night for cleaning. I’m going to use this as an excuse to shoot buckshot and slugs exclusively |
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Originally Posted By BoomToob: I’m going to use this as an excuse to shoot buckshot and slugs exclusively I wasn't surprised that a BB got to where it wasn't supposed to be. I was getting the loader adjusted for the new load and quite a few of the crimps were poor enough that BBs would fall out. I'm glad I burned through part of the box dinking around at home instead of at a clays course. |
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Originally Posted By gunner76: I wasn't surprised that a BB got to where it wasn't supposed to be. I was getting the loader adjusted for the new load and quite a few of the crimps were poor enough that BBs would fall out. I'm glad I burned through part of the box dinking around at home instead of at a clays course. No doubt. Well, thanks for putting my mind at ease. I was ready to put the a300 at the top of the heap in my safe until I read your post. Glad you were able to diagnose it. |
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Originally Posted By TradWoodsman: Any idea where it is available? Graf and Sons has Flight Control in stock but it isn’t tactical or LE. |
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Originally Posted By Hillbilly62: Graf and Sons has Flight Control in stock but it isn’t tactical or LE. Ouch on the price. It's probably the same as the full powered LE stuff, just marketed for hunting. |
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Originally Posted By gunner76: https://buckinghorseoutpost.com/federal-tactical-12-gauge-2-3-4-00-buckshot-9-pellet-5rds-per-box-le13200-police-trade-in-free-shipping-on-orders-175-or-more/ These guys legit? Shipping to me on 20 boxes is $15 and they have free shipping on orders of $175 or greater. Only thing I don't like is the adult signature required. ETA. The factory new stuff is $6.20/box I contacted them the other day and they were out. I posted it above. |
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Originally Posted By ian187: There are a few options. You can just take the clamp off; the magazine cover doesn't spin. You can also convert the gun to a 5 shot magazine tube and add a Nordic extension. The plastic cover is ugly but isn't worse performing than the GGG cover. All of the clamps on the market slide forward, Nordic, GGG, and OEM. Barrel clamps on shotguns are garbage in general. I can only speak to the Nordic clamps since that's what's on my 1301 Tac Gen 1. They don't move unless you put them on incorrectly. I bought their MXT extension kit when they first came out. The tube (the cover on the new version) is machined on two different planes specifically to hold the clamp in place. I've run my gun for over 8 years and the clamp only moves if I remove it. |
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Originally Posted By mjmensale: For those who have put QD sockets on the side of the stock, regardless of brand, how are they holding up? Is there any noticeable signs of weakness, cracking, etc around the socket? My concern is the amount of stress a sling would impart to that area. The swivel popping out of the socket is one thing. The stock breaking is quite a bit different. |
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Originally Posted By caduckgunner: Just got one tonight. What slings are you guys using? I'm assuming I can't use a vtac AR sling as I don't think it will be long enough, though I could be wrong. I hate it. Too thick. Going to order an Edgar Sherman design. |
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Originally Posted By caduckgunner: Just got one tonight. What slings are you guys using? I'm assuming I can't use a vtac AR sling as I don't think it will be long enough, though I could be wrong. I’m using the same one I have for other rifles Magpul MS4 Gen 2 QD. |
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Originally Posted By caduckgunner: Just got one tonight. What slings are you guys using? I'm assuming I can't use a vtac AR sling as I don't think it will be long enough, though I could be wrong. WPS Sling, although I'm looking for a different front end mounting solution. |
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I took it out last night and for some reason I could not load more than 3 shells into the magazine before the lift gate would lock in place and not allow me to load. I tried over 10 times and not once would it let me load more than 3 shells. Any ideas? I got frustrated, and it was will over 100 deg at 9pm still, so I said fuck it and tool my |
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Originally Posted By caduckgunner: I took it out last night and for some reason I could not load more than 3 shells into the magazine before the lift gate would lock in place and not allow me to load. I tried over 10 times and not once would it let me load more than 3 shells. Any ideas? I got frustrated, and it was will over 100 deg at 9pm still, so I said fuck it and tool my Next time that happens slightly press the bolt release and see if that allows the lift gate to move down for loading. I've seen a few Beretta guns (the similar 1301) that would occasionally let the lift gate move down just far enough for the shell latch to wedge under the lift gate and hang it up (Loose tolerances and flexing polymer was the cause, there are fixes for the issue) |
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Whipped up a sling mount out of 550 cord. Put a little braided tail end on it to get the buckle out past the hot button. Scavenged the buckle off of an old single point bungee sling that I had laying around. Stock mount is an old stock cuff. This is temporary in my mind until an aftermarket forend is developed. It will work for now.  
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Originally Posted By mjmensale: For those who have put QD sockets on the side of the stock, regardless of brand, how are they holding up? Is there any noticeable signs of weakness, cracking, etc around the socket? My concern is the amount of stress a sling would impart to that area. The swivel popping out of the socket is one thing. The stock breaking is quite a bit different. Pretty much a week now and no real world examples? That doesn't give one a feeling of confidence, does it? That and a new discussion on QD failures in the "AR Discussions" forum has settled my mind on just relying on the old hard attach sling swivel studs like I use on my ARs. They're just there, they do their thing very well, they don't fail and I don't even give them a second thought. Which is the way it should be. Some BFG sling attachment hardware, a VTAC sling and I'll be in business. |
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Originally Posted By mjmensale: Pretty much a week now and no real world examples? That doesn't give one a feeling of confidence, does it? That and a new discussion on QD failures in the "AR Discussions" forum has settled my mind on just relying on the old hard attach sling swivel studs like I use on my ARs. They're just there, they do their thing very well, they don't fail and I don't even give them a second thought. Which is the way it should be. Some BFG sling attachment hardware, a VTAC sling and I'll be in business. I haven't done it, but I know several people who have. None of them have had any issues provided they used a good quality QD sling mount. |
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Originally Posted By RangeToy: Anyone running a Holosun 407k on their A300 or 1301? |
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Originally Posted By mjmensale: Pretty much a week now and no real world examples? That doesn't give one a feeling of confidence, does it? That and a new discussion on QD failures in the "AR Discussions" forum has settled my mind on just relying on the old hard attach sling swivel studs like I use on my ARs. They're just there, they do their thing very well, they don't fail and I don't even give them a second thought. Which is the way it should be. Some BFG sling attachment hardware, a VTAC sling and I'll be in business. Originally Posted By mjmensale: Originally Posted By mjmensale: For those who have put QD sockets on the side of the stock, regardless of brand, how are they holding up? Is there any noticeable signs of weakness, cracking, etc around the socket? My concern is the amount of stress a sling would impart to that area. The swivel popping out of the socket is one thing. The stock breaking is quite a bit different. Pretty much a week now and no real world examples? That doesn't give one a feeling of confidence, does it? That and a new discussion on QD failures in the "AR Discussions" forum has settled my mind on just relying on the old hard attach sling swivel studs like I use on my ARs. They're just there, they do their thing very well, they don't fail and I don't even give them a second thought. Which is the way it should be. Some BFG sling attachment hardware, a VTAC sling and I'll be in business. I've run the Noveske QD sockets in a 1301, Benelli M2 and A2 AR stocks for years, including running around the Blue Ridge Mountain 3 Gun match, with zero issues (with the either QD or the stock it is placed in to) 
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| How does the A300 do with rifled slugs compared to the 1301? I’m using Federal LE slugs and they lead like crazy after 25rds. Basically coats the bore around the gas ports. My Benelli M4 doesn’t lead this bad, so maybe it’s just the 1301 bore or system. Chore boy copper pads do a great job removing it, but still a pain. |
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Originally Posted By Pavia: How does the A300 do with rifled slugs compared to the 1301? I’m using Federal LE slugs and they lead like crazy after 25rds. Basically coats the bore around the gas ports. My Benelli M4 doesn’t lead this bad, so maybe it’s just the 1301 bore or system. Chore boy copper pads do a great job removing it, but still a pain. I get a ton of fowling from the chamber to about halfway to the ports, worse then any shotgun I've ever had. I don't think it was lead though, thinking plastic from the flight control wads. Only way I could get it removed was to dowse it with CLP and scrub like hell with a 10ga brush followed by a wet mop. |
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So after living with the sling mount at the toe of the stock, I've come to know that it sucks. Installed the Grovetech. Much more happy, and the gun rides like an AR with the sling. Attached File Attached File |
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 I bought the grovtec QD socket and then upon unboxing it realized it's not rotation limited. I immediately turned around and bought the Noveske QD flush fit which is rotation limited. Other than the super hard thread locker that was pre-applied to the threads the install was fine. I'm not at all worried about the stock being weaker, and with the sharp teeth/corners on the Noveske's nut (plus loctite) I don't think it will be going anywhere. |
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Shot my new Beretta A300 ultima patrol. Federal Flite Control, and Nobel reduced recoil 9 pellet buck for patterning. 10 rounds of each. Also ran a box of 25 #8 skeet loads. It's an extremely soft shooting shotgun, and patterns well with the Flite Control at 18 yards. Attached File The Nobel stuff definitely opened wider at the same distance. Attached File At 50 yards, the Nobel's spread was torso sized, while the federal stayed tighter.... Perhaps the size of a basketball. It cycled very smooth, not a hitch thru the 45 shells. I'm liking it very much.  Attached File |
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