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Posted: 2/23/2019 11:33:12 AM EDT
| If I were in an AOW-only state (I'm not, this is hypothetical), could I use a pistol brace on an existing AOW or start with a pistol braced 'firearm' and make an AOW out of it. I'm talking radically short barrel and far under the 26"ish range with the brace on it, like Serbu length barrel. My vague and limited understanding of what constitutes an AOW leads me to think it would be GTG. Of course, there is no clear-cut answer to this that I can comprehend on atf.gov. AOW isn't my specialty and I do not pretend to know it all about things outside of my main focus, which is SBS. Any help or perspective appreciated. |
| I wondered the same thing. I have an AOW that started life as an AK parts kit and was built and now has a forward grip. I would think a bigger grey area would be something like a Serbu |
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Originally Posted By Christisking:
I would say no because it’s not a pistol. https://www.atlanticfirearms.com/products/spets-12 |
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I just applied to make an AOW out of a pistol with a brace. Included a photo. We shall see!
If (from ATF's recent letter) they no longer include a brace as part of the OAL, considering it a firearm accessory, then I would think brace should not effect AOW status for consistency. |
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Originally Posted By Capt_Destro:
Wouldn't an AoW with a brace become a firearm if it's oal was 26"? |
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Originally Posted By vandal:
I just applied to make an AOW out of a pistol with a brace. Included a photo. We shall see! If (from ATF's recent letter) they no longer include a brace as part of the OAL, considering it a firearm accessory, then I would think brace should not effect AOW status for consistency. I am really interested in what they say about AOW with a brace. It seems like it would be just fine, but things are so convoluted these days one can never tell. The laws should be simple enough that the layman can understand them. Gosh, that sounds really familiar but I just can't quite place it. |
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Originally Posted By cherenkov:
SERBU offers a shorty AOW with a folding brace. The "current" understanding is that you cannot add a stock to a AOW (it would then be an SBS), however a brace is not a stock and therefore okay to add. |
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Originally Posted By whiskerz: So the same should apply to an AOW pistol in theory and here is a pic of my Braced AOW Mossberg Shorty - Its in a range Jail in Newnan GA but I get conjugal visits till the From 4 is approved.  " />
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| Years ago a guy was building AK pistols from matching AMD-65 parts kits that were AOW's with the foregrip. Since he was the manufacturer they transferred on a $5 stamp. I have one. |
RIP Jeff Reed. Tennessee Squire, Ga. Carry member, NRA Life member
Non-puking 72 ounce drinker 2 of 6 Norcal call sign, Forgotten.
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Originally Posted By vandal:
Still waiting for my Form 1 AOW approval to add a VFG to an AR pistol with a brace. Logged back in to check and noticed they changed the application from AOW to SBR! That's not going to fly in this state. I have a call to make next week! |
RIP Jeff Reed. Tennessee Squire, Ga. Carry member, NRA Life member
Non-puking 72 ounce drinker 2 of 6 Norcal call sign, Forgotten.
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Originally Posted By cherenkov: Whiskerz - Yes - Does anyone commercially offer pistol AOWs? I've found AOW shotties for reasonable - If you "make" an AOW its a $200 tax but after that transfer tax is just $5. As an individual making one on a From 1 you may as well just go for SBS or SBR - its all $200 but the next transfer would only be $5 for an AOW. and here is a pic of my Braced AOW Mossberg Shorty - Its in a range Jail in Newnan GA but I get conjugal visits till the From 4 is approved. https://i1286.photobucket.com/albums/a607/X-ray6/001_zpss5j5r5pp.jpg" target="_blank">https://i1286.photobucket.com/albums/a607/X-ray6/001_zpss5j5r5pp.jpg https://i1286.photobucket.com/albums/a607/X-ray6/002_zpsqe4qvavt.jpg" target="_blank">https://i1286.photobucket.com/albums/a607/X-ray6/002_zpsqe4qvavt.jpg |
RIP Jeff Reed. Tennessee Squire, Ga. Carry member, NRA Life member
Non-puking 72 ounce drinker 2 of 6 Norcal call sign, Forgotten.
Non-puking 72 ounce drinker 2 of 6 Norcal call sign, Forgotten.
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Pulled my FBI file and found out. I had a juvenile arrest and later had my record sealed. My state did a half assed job on the sealing apparently. Fortunately I still had the sealing order and requested they fix it and tell FBI to fix it. Which they (say they) did. I need to pull my FBI file again and see, then resubmit my AOW applications. Originally Posted By KM6: Inconclusive? Do you know the reason? |
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