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Originally Posted By Zeebz: Was it 2024 for those? I jumped around the video and when they were mentioning the HK416/417 clones she said those would be out late 2023 most likely. ...and yes, you guys read that right. Zenith is making 416/417 clones as well. Originally Posted By Zeebz: Originally Posted By Dissident: Per the hot Zenith spokeswoman, the soonest we'll see them are 2024. That's some damn long pipeline. Was it 2024 for those? I jumped around the video and when they were mentioning the HK416/417 clones she said those would be out late 2023 most likely. ...and yes, you guys read that right. Zenith is making 416/417 clones as well. I was wondering! I kept staring at her and the ARs on the wall but she won |
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Originally Posted By Shadyman: Hopefully Century brings in MKE 33 and 33k before then. They are already being made in Turkey. Originally Posted By Shadyman: Originally Posted By fivepointoh: Yep she said 2024 for the 33's. That accent made me sprung . Hopefully Century brings in MKE 33 and 33k before then. They are already being made in Turkey. |
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Originally Posted By fivepointoh: And most likely imported as pistols, which an already hard sell is gonna be even harder with these stupid brace rules. I'm still in for probably two of each. One for the safe, one to shoot. Assuming they bring both full size and K variants of both calibers (7.62x51 and 5.56) |
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Originally Posted By fivepointoh: And most likely imported as pistols, which an already hard sell is gonna be even harder with these stupid brace rules. I'm still in for probably two of each. One for the safe, one to shoot. Assuming they bring both full size and K variants of both calibers (7.62x51 and 5.56) Same here. I’ve got an HK93 already. I’m just blown away at GunBroker selling prices. Why no manufacturer hasn’t got into making a 33 gun, I just don’t understand. |
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Originally Posted By jtb33: Not for the HK guns. They just use an end cap for the pistol versions. Braces don't need to factor into these. |
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Originally Posted By Shadyman: Same here. I've got an HK93 already. I'm just blown away at GunBroker selling prices. Why no manufacturer hasn't got into making a 33 gun, I just don't understand. Originally Posted By Shadyman: Originally Posted By fivepointoh: And most likely imported as pistols, which an already hard sell is gonna be even harder with these stupid brace rules. I'm still in for probably two of each. One for the safe, one to shoot. Assuming they bring both full size and K variants of both calibers (7.62x51 and 5.56) Same here. I've got an HK93 already. I'm just blown away at GunBroker selling prices. Why no manufacturer hasn't got into making a 33 gun, I just don't understand. 
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Originally Posted By fivepointoh: I know what they use. What I'm saying is buyers may not be as quick to jump if they have to form 1 it to be within the current scope of the law to actually enjoy shooting it. Which now makes an already niche market, even more niche. If the standard model is a pistol with a 16" barrel (or longer), once you buy it you could immediately add a stock and make it a title 1 rifle. You would technically have to add enough US made parts as well for 922r, but no NFA registration or any of that. |
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Originally Posted By drobs: MKE 33 hotness: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/41568/MKE33_JPG-2678382.JPG https://www.mkeusa.com/ I forgot about MKE USA. It's possible that they might skip Century and distribute themselves like Zastava is doing now. |
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Originally Posted By 0351: I forgot about MKE USA. It's possible that they might skip Century and distribute themselves like Zastava is doing now. Given the runaway success of the AP5 series, they have every reason int he world to cut out the middle man and sell 33 clones themselves. |
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MKE apparently had these at shot show:    https://twitter.com/FuryTomic/status/1616547694004297729?s=20&t=5aUoxZgWutY5tbzn-dU8xw |
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Originally Posted By Brooklynite: MKE apparently had these at shot show: https://preview.redd.it/1qwb2r9h39da1.jpg?width=216&crop=smart&auto=webp&v=enabled&s=0704742afb7513cd4ce90a913d2fd75b4ef83b0a https://preview.redd.it/8afy7s9h39da1.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&v=enabled&s=64dd6a4aff2749aacbd812e2e9bee2bbd6286fea https://preview.redd.it/mke-at-shot-show-2023-photo-credits-furytomic-v0-hwqn1u9h39da1.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=2137307282e8d5dedfca8b56458fe035a0924da7 https://preview.redd.it/ehmlfv9h39da1.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&v=enabled&s=bd0c8f0ea7b5b950edf56ad1afbb6839b3222fcb https://twitter.com/FuryTomic/status/1616547694004297729?s=20&t=5aUoxZgWutY5tbzn-dU8xw Anyone else find it funny that the serial number on the 5.56 HK33 MKE clone starts with “FUAR”? I can’t imagine that was unintentional. Attached File |
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Originally Posted By Brooklynite: MKE apparently had these at shot show: https://preview.redd.it/1qwb2r9h39da1.jpg?width=216&crop=smart&auto=webp&v=enabled&s=0704742afb7513cd4ce90a913d2fd75b4ef83b0a https://preview.redd.it/8afy7s9h39da1.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&v=enabled&s=64dd6a4aff2749aacbd812e2e9bee2bbd6286fea https://preview.redd.it/mke-at-shot-show-2023-photo-credits-furytomic-v0-hwqn1u9h39da1.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=2137307282e8d5dedfca8b56458fe035a0924da7 https://preview.redd.it/ehmlfv9h39da1.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&v=enabled&s=bd0c8f0ea7b5b950edf56ad1afbb6839b3222fcb https://twitter.com/FuryTomic/status/1616547694004297729?s=20&t=5aUoxZgWutY5tbzn-dU8xw Why oh why is a Japanese animation guy (or gal) the first one post info on these from SHOTSHOW? |
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Originally Posted By AZ5326X2: Disturbing lack of "K" model... Originally Posted By AZ5326X2: Originally Posted By Brooklynite: MKE apparently had these at shot show: https://preview.redd.it/1qwb2r9h39da1.jpg?width=216&crop=smart&auto=webp&v=enabled&s=0704742afb7513cd4ce90a913d2fd75b4ef83b0a https://preview.redd.it/8afy7s9h39da1.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&v=enabled&s=64dd6a4aff2749aacbd812e2e9bee2bbd6286fea https://preview.redd.it/mke-at-shot-show-2023-photo-credits-furytomic-v0-hwqn1u9h39da1.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=2137307282e8d5dedfca8b56458fe035a0924da7 https://preview.redd.it/ehmlfv9h39da1.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&v=enabled&s=bd0c8f0ea7b5b950edf56ad1afbb6839b3222fcb https://twitter.com/FuryTomic/status/1616547694004297729?s=20&t=5aUoxZgWutY5tbzn-dU8xw Disturbing lack of "K" model... 
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Originally Posted By Apec: He’s a member of a private shooter/collector’s discord I am on - we asked him to cover it for us when we learned he was attending SHOT. He graciously helped us out. Originally Posted By Apec: Originally Posted By 0351: Originally Posted By Brooklynite: MKE apparently had these at shot show: https://preview.redd.it/1qwb2r9h39da1.jpg?width=216&crop=smart&auto=webp&v=enabled&s=0704742afb7513cd4ce90a913d2fd75b4ef83b0a https://preview.redd.it/8afy7s9h39da1.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&v=enabled&s=64dd6a4aff2749aacbd812e2e9bee2bbd6286fea https://preview.redd.it/mke-at-shot-show-2023-photo-credits-furytomic-v0-hwqn1u9h39da1.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=2137307282e8d5dedfca8b56458fe035a0924da7 https://preview.redd.it/ehmlfv9h39da1.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&v=enabled&s=bd0c8f0ea7b5b950edf56ad1afbb6839b3222fcb https://twitter.com/FuryTomic/status/1616547694004297729?s=20&t=5aUoxZgWutY5tbzn-dU8xw Why oh why is a Japanese animation guy (or gal) the first one post info on these from SHOTSHOW? He’s a member of a private shooter/collector’s discord I am on - we asked him to cover it for us when we learned he was attending SHOT. He graciously helped us out. That's good thing. My main point is why did we not see YouTube gun channels cover MKE at SHOT. |
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Originally Posted By 0351: That's good thing. My main point is why did we not see YouTube gun channels cover MKE at SHOT. Originally Posted By 0351: Originally Posted By Apec: Originally Posted By 0351: Originally Posted By Brooklynite: MKE apparently had these at shot show: https://preview.redd.it/1qwb2r9h39da1.jpg?width=216&crop=smart&auto=webp&v=enabled&s=0704742afb7513cd4ce90a913d2fd75b4ef83b0a https://preview.redd.it/8afy7s9h39da1.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&v=enabled&s=64dd6a4aff2749aacbd812e2e9bee2bbd6286fea https://preview.redd.it/mke-at-shot-show-2023-photo-credits-furytomic-v0-hwqn1u9h39da1.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=2137307282e8d5dedfca8b56458fe035a0924da7 https://preview.redd.it/ehmlfv9h39da1.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&v=enabled&s=bd0c8f0ea7b5b950edf56ad1afbb6839b3222fcb https://twitter.com/FuryTomic/status/1616547694004297729?s=20&t=5aUoxZgWutY5tbzn-dU8xw Why oh why is a Japanese animation guy (or gal) the first one post info on these from SHOTSHOW? He’s a member of a private shooter/collector’s discord I am on - we asked him to cover it for us when we learned he was attending SHOT. He graciously helped us out. That's good thing. My main point is why did we not see YouTube gun channels cover MKE at SHOT. Every dollar spent on imported guns is a dollar not spent on US made guns or foreign made guns with a large U.S. corporate footprint. |
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Originally Posted By 0351: That's good thing. My main point is why did we not see YouTube gun channels cover MKE at SHOT. Originally Posted By 0351: Originally Posted By Apec: Originally Posted By 0351: Originally Posted By Brooklynite: MKE apparently had these at shot show: https://preview.redd.it/1qwb2r9h39da1.jpg?width=216&crop=smart&auto=webp&v=enabled&s=0704742afb7513cd4ce90a913d2fd75b4ef83b0a https://preview.redd.it/8afy7s9h39da1.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&v=enabled&s=64dd6a4aff2749aacbd812e2e9bee2bbd6286fea https://preview.redd.it/mke-at-shot-show-2023-photo-credits-furytomic-v0-hwqn1u9h39da1.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=2137307282e8d5dedfca8b56458fe035a0924da7 https://preview.redd.it/ehmlfv9h39da1.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&v=enabled&s=bd0c8f0ea7b5b950edf56ad1afbb6839b3222fcb https://twitter.com/FuryTomic/status/1616547694004297729?s=20&t=5aUoxZgWutY5tbzn-dU8xw Why oh why is a Japanese animation guy (or gal) the first one post info on these from SHOTSHOW? He’s a member of a private shooter/collector’s discord I am on - we asked him to cover it for us when we learned he was attending SHOT. He graciously helped us out. That's good thing. My main point is why did we not see YouTube gun channels cover MKE at SHOT. Because big name firearms journalism outfits/influencers would rather cover all the mil/LE only products from HK/FN/Sig that were already filmed/interviewed 87 times by other outlets. To put it bluntly, most firearms magazines/blogs/influencers have uninteresting tastes beyond whatever is the flavor of the month. |
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Originally Posted By MikeMilligan: Every dollar spent on imported guns is a dollar not spent on US made guns or foreign made guns with a large U.S. corporate footprint. Originally Posted By MikeMilligan: Originally Posted By 0351: Originally Posted By Apec: Originally Posted By 0351: Originally Posted By Brooklynite: MKE apparently had these at shot show: https://preview.redd.it/1qwb2r9h39da1.jpg?width=216&crop=smart&auto=webp&v=enabled&s=0704742afb7513cd4ce90a913d2fd75b4ef83b0a https://preview.redd.it/8afy7s9h39da1.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&v=enabled&s=64dd6a4aff2749aacbd812e2e9bee2bbd6286fea https://preview.redd.it/mke-at-shot-show-2023-photo-credits-furytomic-v0-hwqn1u9h39da1.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=2137307282e8d5dedfca8b56458fe035a0924da7 https://preview.redd.it/ehmlfv9h39da1.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&v=enabled&s=bd0c8f0ea7b5b950edf56ad1afbb6839b3222fcb https://twitter.com/FuryTomic/status/1616547694004297729?s=20&t=5aUoxZgWutY5tbzn-dU8xw Why oh why is a Japanese animation guy (or gal) the first one post info on these from SHOTSHOW? He’s a member of a private shooter/collector’s discord I am on - we asked him to cover it for us when we learned he was attending SHOT. He graciously helped us out. That's good thing. My main point is why did we not see YouTube gun channels cover MKE at SHOT. Every dollar spent on imported guns is a dollar not spent on US made guns or foreign made guns with a large U.S. corporate footprint. Imports are a good thing. If there were no imports, you wouldn’t have any choices today for semiautomatic rifles/PCCs besides AR15s and a couple of poorly made US copies of AKs, HKs, etc. |
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Originally Posted By Apec: Imports are a good thing. If there were no imports, you wouldn’t have any choices today for semiautomatic rifles/PCCs besides AR15s and a couple of poorly made US copies of AKs, HKs, etc. I know, my statement wasn’t anti-import. It was an explanation of why the gun media types didn’t focus on these things. |
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| Thought it worth posting here that AIM has MKE 33 mags in stock all of a sudden. At least I never noticed them before: https://aimsurplus.com/products/mke-223556-hk33-30rd-magazine-black?mc_cid=227e75eaf5&mc_eid=4bd2bb4ace |
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Originally Posted By Spade: Thought it worth posting here that AIM has MKE 33 mags in stock all of a sudden. At least I never noticed them before: https://aimsurplus.com/products/mke-223556-hk33-30rd-magazine-black?mc_cid=227e75eaf5&mc_eid=4bd2bb4ace I think Century has been importing them from MKE for a little while. Pretty hard for me to get excited about a $50 magazine. I think GunMagWarehouse has the polymer ones for $35 as well. I still think a full size 33 and shorty 53 are where MKE needs to start.  Smartest thing Zastava ever did was break up with Century. MKE (and Cugir for that matter) need their own dedicated US partners. Get a good start and brand recognition with Century, then move on. |
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Originally Posted By Findsman: I think Century has been importing them from MKE for a little while. Pretty hard for me to get excited about a $50 magazine. I think GunMagWarehouse has the polymer ones for $35 as well. I still think a full size 33 and shorty 53 are where MKE needs to start. Smartest thing Zastava ever did was break up with Century. MKE (and Cugir for that matter) need their own dedicated US partners. Get a good start and brand recognition with Century, then move on. Yeah, a 53 is the only HK 5.56mm I'm interested in, really. |
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Originally Posted By Findsman: Smartest thing Zastava ever did was break up with Century. MKE (and Cugir for that matter) need their own dedicated US partners. Get a good start and brand recognition with Century, then move on. Would be cool! An MKE/B&T partnership would be cool especially since B&T has a long track record of making stuff for HK weapon systems. |
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Originally Posted By Zeebz: Would be cool! An MKE/B&T partnership would be cool especially since B&T has a long track record of making stuff for HK weapon systems. Originally Posted By Zeebz: Originally Posted By Findsman: Smartest thing Zastava ever did was break up with Century. MKE (and Cugir for that matter) need their own dedicated US partners. Get a good start and brand recognition with Century, then move on. Would be cool! An MKE/B&T partnership would be cool especially since B&T has a long track record of making stuff for HK weapon systems. I dunno, as soon as they slap a "B&T" importer mark on the side, that $1200 AP-5 will turn into a $3000 BT-5.  It also directly competes with their SPC, APC, and TP9 products. I could have sworn B&T used to make an MP5 but it's not on their Swiss website. Actually, doing some digging, they did offer a B&T-96 in Europe that was a refinished MKE gun. So they had some sort of prior relationship but I'm still not convinced that would be a consumer-friendly option. 
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Originally Posted By Findsman: I dunno, as soon as they slap a "B&T" importer mark on the side, that $1200 AP-5 will turn into a $3000 BT-5. It also directly competes with their SPC, APC, and TP9 products. I could have sworn B&T used to make an MP5 but it's not on their Swiss website. Actually, doing some digging, they did offer a B&T-96 in Europe that was a refinished MKE gun. So they had some sort of prior relationship but I'm still not convinced that would be a consumer-friendly option. While MKE made parts are used in the BT96, the gun itself is not built by MKE. |
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Originally Posted By Findsman: I think Century has been importing them from MKE for a little while. Pretty hard for me to get excited about a $50 magazine. I think GunMagWarehouse has the polymer ones for $35 as well. I still think a full size 33 and shorty 53 are where MKE needs to start. Smartest thing Zastava ever did was break up with Century. MKE (and Cugir for that matter) need their own dedicated US partners. Get a good start and brand recognition with Century, then move on. It looks like MKE is already taking that approach. https://www.mkeusa.com/ https://www.mkeusa.com/en-US/catalogue/civilian-law-enforcement/26 |
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Originally Posted By cms81586: Atlantic firearms must have gotten a whopping two MKE MP5 A3 stocks in this shipment because they were gone the moment their notification email hit my inbox. |
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Originally Posted By cms81586: Lame. There’s an obvious demand yet no real effort to bring more than a trickle in at a time. And I was on their page within 2 mins of receiving their email. Nada. Been waiting for these since back in sept or so when they were announced and I missed the first batch. My guess is that Atlantic is at the mercy of MKE for these stocks. They now they will sell and they are leaving sales on the table by not bringing in more. I cant imagine that to be their business model. |
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Originally Posted By USMC_JA: My guess is that Atlantic is at the mercy of MKE for these stocks. They now they will sell and they are leaving sales on the table by not bringing in more. I cant imagine that to be their business model. I guess if it would make everyone happier, Atlantic could always choose to raise the price closer to the $600+ the HK ones go for to meet the demand that they keep them in stock longer... |
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Originally Posted By D_Man: Yep. I guess if it would make everyone happier, Atlantic could always choose to raise the price closer to the $600+ the HK ones go for to meet the demand that they keep them in stock longer... I just went and bought another HK F stock instead. I wanted a classic A3 for the classic look but I’m tired of waiting for email notifications that show up after shit is sold out. |
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Originally Posted By cms81586: Lame. There’s an obvious demand yet no real effort to bring more than a trickle in at a time. And I was on their page within 2 mins of receiving their email. Nada. Been waiting for these since back in sept or so when they were announced and I missed the first batch. Same with the 223 Beryl rifle. Just a trickle at a time. Sell out in minutes. Yet US gun manufacturers say, “gee whiz by golly I got a great idea! Let’s make a mlok, railed out AR, that’s a winner!” Like the thousands of other manufacturers that sit for months in warehouses all over. Idiots. |
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Originally Posted By cms81586: Lame. There's an obvious demand yet no real effort to bring more than a trickle in at a time. And I was on their page within 2 mins of receiving their email. Nada. Been waiting for these since back in sept or so when they were announced and I missed the first batch. We have over 450 Thousand Atlantic Firearms members that will receive communications about items being restocked . Does it occur to anybody that popular items can sell out quickly ? We are sorry that not everybody was able to purchase one and we continue to work with MKE to bring more in but are at their mercy and schedule .  |
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Originally Posted By fivepointoh: Some straight bullshit the way some members are acting towards a respected dealer and industry partner. No need to white knight. It’s blatantly obvious the demand is there. If asking why they haven’t brought more into the country than they have is not a valid question then why are we on a discussion forum? |
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Originally Posted By cms81586: No need to white knight. It’s blatantly obvious the demand is there. If asking why they haven’t brought more into the country than they have is not a valid question then why are we on a discussion forum? Isn't the obvious answer that the reason they aren't bringing in more of an item with "obvious high demand" is that they can't get anymore? Or they don't like money? |
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Originally Posted By Shadyman: Thanks Atlantic, I know you're trying. But tell MKE that be prepared for a huge mega demand for the 33k pistol and 33 rifle. They will sell out, so they need a minimum of 50k units I'd estimate first shipment. I doubt the demand will be that high especially IF we see a retail price tag of $1500 -$1900 bucks. We sold the Zenith line of Z93 firearms and they sold @ a snails pace. The average Joe 6 pack can pick up a solid 223/556 rifle for 500 -600 bucks right now so the only appeal to the 93 series would be dedicated hardcore roller lock shooters and that is a limited number of buyers. |
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Originally Posted By cms81586: No need to white knight. It's blatantly obvious the demand is there. If asking why they haven't brought more into the country than they have is not a valid question then why are we on a discussion forum? Here is the answers to your questions Importing items is not like ordering Pizza , hot fresh and in 30 minutes or less......it takes time , takes money , tons of red tape etc & takes balls to roll the dice on a product you may never see . We are @ the mercy of the overseas suppliers to fit it into their schedule , Military contracts take priority and are much more lucrative than US civilian contracts . Most of these firms are Govt owned and work @ snails pace just like out own Government bloated bureaucracy As a Govt firm they have no incentive to work hard , extra hours etc It is easy to say bring in 10,000 stock sets people will buy them ,,,,but that is not always the case the winds of popularity in the online gun community change by the week . If we have to invest a million up front , Wait 6 -8 months for it to be produced and shipped and then only find out that ( A )The laws have changed and now the item is not legal IE The brace ( B )The market has shifted and another more appealing and less expensive option has been offered or some other issue we just lost a million bucks . Any smart business's is not going to bet the house and will buy in a reasonably conservative fashion. Atlantic Firearms has been offering unique products for 25 plus years and will continue to expand our offerings and the availability of the items. I am sorry if everybody that wanted a stock was not able to purchase one. |
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Originally Posted By ATLANTIC-FIREARMS: I doubt the demand will be that high especially IF we see a retail price tag of $1500 -$1900 bucks. We sold the Zenith line of Z93 firearms and they sold @ a snails pace. The average Joe 6 pack can pick up a solid 223/556 rifle for 500 -600 bucks right now so the only appeal to the 93 series would be dedicated hardcore roller lock shooters and that is a limited number of buyers. Originally Posted By ATLANTIC-FIREARMS: Originally Posted By Shadyman: Thanks Atlantic, I know you're trying. But tell MKE that be prepared for a huge mega demand for the 33k pistol and 33 rifle. They will sell out, so they need a minimum of 50k units I'd estimate first shipment. I doubt the demand will be that high especially IF we see a retail price tag of $1500 -$1900 bucks. We sold the Zenith line of Z93 firearms and they sold @ a snails pace. The average Joe 6 pack can pick up a solid 223/556 rifle for 500 -600 bucks right now so the only appeal to the 93 series would be dedicated hardcore roller lock shooters and that is a limited number of buyers. |
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