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WA, USA
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Posted: 7/25/2024 12:45:03 AM EDT
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Bought original NOS handguard, bipod, carry handle and mags in 2021 prior to our states mag ban and AWB. Importers couldn't delivery on time...
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Posted: 7/25/2024 5:40:49 PM EDT
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Assuming this import never comes to fruition, but one were to still have the desire for a 33k....what would be the best option that is relatively available in the short term?
Custom build from Dakota or Ghillie Bear....etc? I tied up a good chunk in mags, collapsible stock, spare parts, FA bolt carrier, etc. I'll be making it a postie if that matters in regards to recommendations. If the imports ever come out I'll still very likely grab one or two as well. Anyway - TIA for recs. |
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Posted: 7/25/2024 7:28:00 PM EDT
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Probably wait for one to pop up on gunbroker and be ready to pay out the ass for it
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Posted: 8/9/2024 9:54:39 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 0351]
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bump to keep hope alive.
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Posted: 8/25/2024 12:09:11 PM EDT
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bump to keep hope alive.
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Posted: 8/26/2024 11:27:39 AM EDT
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Honestly, unless/until MKE goes the route of Zastava and sets up some kind of manufacturing plant in CONUS, I think the dream is about dead. Can the HK pattern guns be brought in and "debanned" here in the States as easily as AKs/Bren2s/etc? One also has to wonder how JDI is still able to get Swiss 55X guns into the Country.
Well, perhaps, a new head of BATF under a better administration might change the game. But even then I have my doubts. |
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Posted: 8/26/2024 1:41:08 PM EDT
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It's likely not happening, but I'm keeping my HK33 mags and furniture for the slim chance that these do become a thing some day. I know that stuff won't get any cheaper.
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Posted: 8/26/2024 2:40:01 PM EDT
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Whats a fair selling price for a Vector V53 in light of the current market?
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ND, USA
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Posted: 8/27/2024 11:26:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By USMC_JA: Honestly, unless/until MKE goes the route of Zastava and sets up some kind of manufacturing plant in CONUS, I think the dream is about dead. Can the HK pattern guns be brought in and "debanned" here in the States as easily as AKs/Bren2s/etc? One also has to wonder how JDI is still able to get Swiss 55X guns into the Country. Well, perhaps, a new head of BATF under a better administration might change the game. But even then I have my doubts. DKProductions is doing this in Kentucky. If some smart US roller lock manufacturer would import the parts from Turkey they probably could sell and make a profit. As long as they sell something that was interchangeable with factory original HK guns and parts. Anything else would fail. I bet it would pencil out. Especially if it was a US 53/33k pistol. There is huge demand for those types of firearms. |
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Posted: 8/27/2024 1:31:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Shadyman: DKProductions is doing this in Kentucky. If some smart US roller lock manufacturer would import the parts from Turkey they probably could sell and make a profit. As long as they sell something that was interchangeable with factory original HK guns and parts. Anything else would fail. I bet it would pencil out. Especially if it was a US 53/33k pistol. There is huge demand for those types of firearms.  I think you're overestimating the market size for HK roller locks outside of the MP5. Even the G3/PTR-91 isn't super popular, and for good reason when you compare it to what a large frame AR offers. |
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Posted: 9/22/2024 10:48:34 AM EDT
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MP, USA
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Posted: 9/22/2024 11:26:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Shadyman: DKProductions is doing this in Kentucky. If some smart US roller lock manufacturer would import the parts from Turkey they probably could sell and make a profit. As long as they sell something that was interchangeable with factory original HK guns and parts. Anything else would fail. I bet it would pencil out. Especially if it was a US 53/33k pistol. There is huge demand for those types of firearms. Huge demand is an over embellishment. The logical option is for PTR to make a 33, not their current 5.56 abomination. Or at very least a g41 hybrid that uses a standard 33 or g3 collapsible stock. Or even better, an 11/13E pattern with modular magwell. |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 9/22/2024 10:51:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JoshNC: Huge demand is an over embellishment. The logical option is for PTR to make a 33, not their current 5.56 abomination. Or at very least a g41 hybrid that uses a standard 33 or g3 collapsible stock. Or even better, an 11/13E pattern with modular magwell. They'll still need to actually build them correctly - no more amateur hour builds getting past QC with a bolt gap significantly out of spec. |
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MP, USA
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Posted: 9/22/2024 11:09:55 PM EDT
[Last Edit: JoshNC]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Apec: They'll still need to actually build them correctly - no more amateur hour builds getting past QC with a bolt gap significantly out of spec. 
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ND, USA
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Posted: 9/23/2024 12:54:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JoshNC: Huge demand is an over embellishment. The logical option is for PTR to make a 33, not their current 5.56 abomination. Or at very least a g41 hybrid that uses a standard 33 or g3 collapsible stock. Or even better, an 11/13E pattern with modular magwell. Um, price for a Zenith model 43 pistol is in the $4000 range. I’d say that shows crazy demand. |
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Posted: 9/23/2024 2:45:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Shadyman: Um, price for a Zenith model 43 pistol is in the $4000 range. I’d say that shows crazy demand. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Shadyman: Originally Posted By JoshNC: Huge demand is an over embellishment. The logical option is for PTR to make a 33, not their current 5.56 abomination. Or at very least a g41 hybrid that uses a standard 33 or g3 collapsible stock. Or even better, an 11/13E pattern with modular magwell. Um, price for a Zenith model 43 pistol is in the $4000 range. I’d say that shows crazy demand. Or it could just be that the supply is extremely low. |
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MT, USA
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Posted: 9/23/2024 2:52:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Shadyman: DKProductions is doing this in Kentucky. If some smart US roller lock manufacturer would import the parts from Turkey they probably could sell and make a profit. As long as they sell something that was interchangeable with factory original HK guns and parts. Anything else would fail. I bet it would pencil out. Especially if it was a US 53/33k pistol. There is huge demand for those types of firearms. Everyone wants one until they find out that magazine are 90 dollars each and they buy another AR-15. |
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MT, USA
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Posted: 9/23/2024 2:53:57 PM EDT
[Last Edit: zencarl]
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Originally Posted By Sputnik556: Or it could just be that the supply is extremely low. Zenith discontinued the Z43 because they weren't selling. |
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Posted: 9/23/2024 6:43:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By zencarl: Zenith discontinued the Z43 because they weren't selling. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By zencarl: Originally Posted By Sputnik556: Or it could just be that the supply is extremely low. Zenith discontinued the Z43 because they weren't selling. I can’t imagine why, at $4k they were a bargain. 
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Posted: 9/23/2024 6:54:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Sputnik556: I can’t imagine why, at $4k they were a bargain. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Sputnik556: Originally Posted By zencarl: Originally Posted By Sputnik556: Or it could just be that the supply is extremely low. Zenith discontinued the Z43 because they weren't selling. I can’t imagine why, at $4k they were a bargain. Atlantic was selling them for $1528 in 2017 ($1962 in 2024). |
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Posted: 9/23/2024 9:10:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fike: Atlantic was selling them for $1528 in 2017 ($1962 in 2024). Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fike: Originally Posted By Sputnik556: Originally Posted By zencarl: Originally Posted By Sputnik556: Or it could just be that the supply is extremely low. Zenith discontinued the Z43 because they weren't selling. I can’t imagine why, at $4k they were a bargain. Atlantic was selling them for $1528 in 2017 ($1962 in 2024). Honestly that doesn’t seem terribly unreasonable. Was QC a problem? |
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MP, USA
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Posted: 9/23/2024 11:33:17 PM EDT
[Last Edit: JoshNC]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Shadyman: Um, price for a Zenith model 43 pistol is in the $4000 range. I’d say that shows crazy demand. No they are not. A quick Gunbroker search of completed auctions shows sale prices of $1600 to $1900. And even that range is too high for a Turkish copy. Any momo paying $4k for a Turkish copy is real special. A handful of German HK93 have sold for close to $4k recently. |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 9/24/2024 12:41:25 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Apec]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JoshNC: No they are not. A quick Gunbroker search of completed auctions shows sale prices of $1600 to $1900. And even that range is too high for a Turkish copy. Any momo paying $4k for a Turkish copy is real special. A handful of German HK93 have sold for close to $4k recently. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JoshNC: Originally Posted By Shadyman: Um, price for a Zenith model 43 pistol is in the $4000 range. I’d say that shows crazy demand. No they are not. A quick Gunbroker search of completed auctions shows sale prices of $1600 to $1900. And even that range is too high for a Turkish copy. Any momo paying $4k for a Turkish copy is real special. A handful of German HK93 have sold for close to $4k recently. Where are you seeing them that low… I did a completed search and only saw a 43P bid to 3.5K, and a ban neutered ATI 43 at 1.8K. It is definitely hard to swallow paying that much for a Turkish gun, but it’s not an easy decision considering US made HK33K clones (using US/Malaysian contract parts) from boutique HK builders are easily 3K and up… choosing an original import from a contract/licensed factory vs clone. A HK93 is more desirable in some major aspects (original German, easier sear host), but HK never imported any factory semi 33K configuration guns, much less ones with a front pushpin and paddle release… which would require permanent modification to an HK93. Right now the dealbreaker is whether these will be imported again, as they are still made by MKE. Anyone who overpaid on a Zenith MKE MP5 after they stopped coming in would have experienced a rude awakening after the Century imports dropped in price… but only because Century brought them back in bulk. But it’s not the only example of pricing absurdity, seeing as formerly $900 Bulgarian and Russian 5.45mm imported rifles and pistols are hitting $3K often now. Are any of those a good buy? Depends on who you ask, but there’s one thing for certain, if you want one you either have to get lucky or pay to play, or use a time machine. Unfortunately FOMO since COVID still drives pricing on some things. |
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MP, USA
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Posted: 9/24/2024 7:02:10 AM EDT
[Last Edit: JoshNC]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Apec: Where are you seeing them that low… I did a completed search and only saw a 43P bid to 3.5K, and a ban neutered ATI 43 at 1.8K. It is definitely hard to swallow paying that much for a Turkish gun, but it’s not an easy decision considering US made HK33K clones (using US/Malaysian contract parts) from boutique HK builders are easily 3K and up… choosing an original import from a contract/licensed factory vs clone. A HK93 is more desirable in some major aspects (original German, easier sear host), but HK never imported any factory semi 33K configuration guns, much less ones with a front pushpin and paddle release… which would require permanent modification to an HK93. Right now the dealbreaker is whether these will be imported again, as they are still made by MKE. Anyone who overpaid on a Zenith MKE MP5 after they stopped coming in would have experienced a rude awakening after the Century imports dropped in price… but only because Century brought them back in bulk. But it’s not the only example of pricing absurdity, seeing as formerly $900 Bulgarian and Russian 5.45mm imported rifles and pistols are hitting $3K often now. Are any of those a good buy? Depends on who you ask, but there’s one thing for certain, if you want one you either have to get lucky or pay to play, or use a time machine. Unfortunately FOMO since COVID still drives pricing on some things. I searched Gunbroker completed auctions. https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1064220470 https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1060203297 https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1062611071 HK93 sales https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1064554754 https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1066730599 https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1064780309 https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1061261448 https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1052787261 https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1065408938 https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1062066802 It would be foolish to pay $4k for anything MKE. |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 9/24/2024 11:09:53 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Apec]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JoshNC: I searched Gunbroker completed auctions. https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1064220470 https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1060203297 https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1062611071 HK93 sales https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1064554754 https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1066730599 https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1064780309 https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1061261448 https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1052787261 https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1065408938 https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1062066802 It would be foolish to pay $4k for anything MKE. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JoshNC: Originally Posted By Apec: Where are you seeing them that low… I did a completed search and only saw a 43P bid to 3.5K, and a ban neutered ATI 43 at 1.8K. It is definitely hard to swallow paying that much for a Turkish gun, but it’s not an easy decision considering US made HK33K clones (using US/Malaysian contract parts) from boutique HK builders are easily 3K and up… choosing an original import from a contract/licensed factory vs clone. A HK93 is more desirable in some major aspects (original German, easier sear host), but HK never imported any factory semi 33K configuration guns, much less ones with a front pushpin and paddle release… which would require permanent modification to an HK93. Right now the dealbreaker is whether these will be imported again, as they are still made by MKE. Anyone who overpaid on a Zenith MKE MP5 after they stopped coming in would have experienced a rude awakening after the Century imports dropped in price… but only because Century brought them back in bulk. But it’s not the only example of pricing absurdity, seeing as formerly $900 Bulgarian and Russian 5.45mm imported rifles and pistols are hitting $3K often now. Are any of those a good buy? Depends on who you ask, but there’s one thing for certain, if you want one you either have to get lucky or pay to play, or use a time machine. Unfortunately FOMO since COVID still drives pricing on some things. I searched Gunbroker completed auctions. https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1064220470 https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1060203297 https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1062611071 HK93 sales https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1064554754 https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1066730599 https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1064780309 https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1061261448 https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1052787261 https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1065408938 https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1062066802 It would be foolish to pay $4k for anything MKE. Those are ATI 43’s, not Zenith imports. They have some weird ban compliance features. If they’re anything like the ATI 9mm MKEs, the lower is welded to the stock and there is a stop in the magwell that prevents insertion of standard capacity magazines. Also unthreaded barrel. They are much less desirable than an actual Z43P. |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 9/24/2024 4:08:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Sputnik556: I can’t imagine why, at $4k they were a bargain. I bought mine new for $1,500 when Zenith was selling them. |
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MP, USA
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Posted: 9/24/2024 8:12:37 PM EDT
[Last Edit: JoshNC]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Apec: Those are ATI 43’s, not Zenith imports. They have some weird ban compliance features. If they’re anything like the ATI 9mm MKEs, the lower is welded to the stock and there is a stop in the magwell that prevents insertion of standard capacity magazines. Also unthreaded barrel. They are much less desirable than an actual Z43P. They do have exactly those features. A friend recently bought one. Not terribly difficult to de-ban. There have been no 43P for sale in the last 90 days on GB. But still, $4k would be PT Barnum pricing on any MKE firearm, short of them offering a 21e/23e. One is better off buying a German 93. |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 9/24/2024 8:49:16 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Apec]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JoshNC: They do have exactly those features. A friend recently bought one. Not terribly difficult to de-ban. There have been no 43P for sale in the last 90 days on GB. But still, $4k would be PT Barnum pricing on any MKE firearm, short of them offering a 21e/23e. One is better off buying a German 93. Here’s a Z43P that went for 3.5K. A few of them went for that much earlier this year. https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1064751362 As a preban collector you understand the difference between values on neutered versus full featured models. A MAK-90, even if easy to deban with 100% Chinese parts, will never be worth as much as an original 56S. Even if a deban is relatively easy, there’s still a pretty big delta in values. And this remains true for post-89 imported guns as well. A converted Saiga sporter, even with 100% Russian parts will usually never fetch what a SGL21 or SGL31 does. I think paying that much for MKE is silly, but if people are buying and selling at PT Barnum prices… it is what is. There are plenty of overpriced prebans, but you got no choice but to pay the sticker shock (or get lucky) if you want something like a FNC or Valmet. If a gun becomes rare and desirable enough, it’ll fetch money even if turkshit made. Whether they command that price in the long term is yet to be seen, as there’s a nonzero probability the MKE 33/G3 imports may materialize. |
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ND, USA
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Posted: 9/24/2024 10:08:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Apec: Here’s a Z43P that went for 3.5K. A few of them went for that much earlier this year. https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1064751362 As a preban collector you understand the difference between values on neutered versus full featured models. A MAK-90, even if easy to deban with 100% Chinese parts, will never be worth as much as an original 56S. Even if a deban is relatively easy, there’s still a pretty big delta in values. And this remains true for post-89 imported guns as well. A converted Saiga sporter, even with 100% Russian parts will usually never fetch what a SGL21 or SGL31 does. I think paying that much for MKE is silly, but if people are buying and selling at PT Barnum prices… it is what is. There are plenty of overpriced prebans, but you got no choice but to pay the sticker shock (or get lucky) if you want something like a FNC or Valmet. If a gun becomes rare and desirable enough, it’ll fetch money even if turkshit made. Whether they command that price in the long term is yet to be seen, as there’s a nonzero probability the MKE 33/G3 imports may materialize. Thank you for showing the light. It’s the PISTOL, not the rifle that is crazy priced. The is pent up demand for the 33k, period. Rifles you can get all day long. The PISTOL, non existent unless you pay real stupid money. |
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MP, USA
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Posted: 9/24/2024 10:29:35 PM EDT
[Last Edit: JoshNC]
[#30]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Apec: Here’s a Z43P that went for 3.5K. A few of them went for that much earlier this year. https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1064751362 As a preban collector you understand the difference between values on neutered versus full featured models. A MAK-90, even if easy to deban with 100% Chinese parts, will never be worth as much as an original 56S. Even if a deban is relatively easy, there’s still a pretty big delta in values. And this remains true for post-89 imported guns as well. A converted Saiga sporter, even with 100% Russian parts will usually never fetch what a SGL21 or SGL31 does. I think paying that much for MKE is silly, but if people are buying and selling at PT Barnum prices… it is what is. There are plenty of overpriced prebans, but you got no choice but to pay the sticker shock (or get lucky) if you want something like a FNC or Valmet. If a gun becomes rare and desirable enough, it’ll fetch money even if turkshit made. Whether they command that price in the long term is yet to be seen, as there’s a nonzero probability the MKE 33/G3 imports may materialize. Thanks for finding that. Turkshit indeed. It’s insane that anyone would pay $3500 for a mke 33k pistol. I do completely understand demand as a pre-89 semi and transferable MG collector. Paying big money for mke is just unfathomable to me personally. I still think it’s PT Barnum level, but I suppose some would say the same about transferable MG pricing. The 56S vs Mak90 also adds in the pre 89 vs post 89 922(r) nonsense. But I see your point. |
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Posted: 9/24/2024 10:51:16 PM EDT
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VA, USA
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Posted: 9/25/2024 2:35:40 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Apec]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JoshNC: Thanks for finding that. Turkshit indeed. It’s insane that anyone would pay $3500 for a mke 33k pistol. I do completely understand demand as a pre-89 semi and transferable MG collector. Paying big money for mke is just unfathomable to me personally. I still think it’s PT Barnum level, but I suppose some would say the same about transferable MG pricing. The 56S vs Mak90 also adds in the pre 89 vs post 89 922(r) nonsense. But I see your point. A couple of the Chilean FAMAE SAF and Sig 54X appeared stateside. I've seen at least one fetch silly money, the rest were advertised at nuts prices (more than JDI/M+M/etc Sig imports) though I wasn't sure if they actually got their asking prices. I guess someone out there would pay more for a Chilean than a Swiss made gun. |
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MP, USA
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Posted: 9/25/2024 4:32:21 AM EDT
[Last Edit: JoshNC]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Apec: A couple of the Chilean FAMAE SAF and Sig 54X appeared stateside. I've seen at least one fetch silly money, the rest were advertised at nuts prices (more than JDI/M+M/etc Sig imports) though I wasn't sure if they actually got their asking prices. I guess someone out there would pay more for a Chilean than a Swiss made gun. Based on rarity I can understand that. And the FAMAE guns are very nice. At the 2019 KCR I was sitting at a friend's tables in the pole barn and the US importer for FAMAE was there too with the complete line up of SAF and 54x. My friend has a few semis and post samples. I am impressed by the FAMAE guns. I’d pay stupid money for a semiauto FAMAE 54x and not think twice. Turkish guns vs Chilean guns. But it’s all very subjective, beauty in the eye of the beholder. |
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MP, USA
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Posted: 9/25/2024 8:15:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NWRed: With KAC forend so completely worthwhile at any price! https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1060475245 That actually could be worth $5k. The KAC RAS is probably $2500, possibly more. But even $2k is too high for a Turkish 33k copy IMO. If I’m paying $2k for a Turkish gun and German HK93s are $3800-4800, I’d rather pay the additional premium for a German rifle. |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 9/25/2024 4:06:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JoshNC: Based on rarity I can understand that. And the FAMAE guns are very nice. At the 2019 KCR I was sitting at a friend's tables in the pole barn and the US importer for FAMAE was there too with the complete line up of SAF and 54x. My friend has a few semis and post samples. I am impressed by the FAMAE guns. I’d pay stupid money for a semiauto FAMAE 54x and not think twice. Turkish guns vs Chilean guns. But it’s all very subjective, beauty in the eye of the beholder. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JoshNC: Originally Posted By Apec: A couple of the Chilean FAMAE SAF and Sig 54X appeared stateside. I've seen at least one fetch silly money, the rest were advertised at nuts prices (more than JDI/M+M/etc Sig imports) though I wasn't sure if they actually got their asking prices. I guess someone out there would pay more for a Chilean than a Swiss made gun. Based on rarity I can understand that. And the FAMAE guns are very nice. At the 2019 KCR I was sitting at a friend's tables in the pole barn and the US importer for FAMAE was there too with the complete line up of SAF and 54x. My friend has a few semis and post samples. I am impressed by the FAMAE guns. I’d pay stupid money for a semiauto FAMAE 54x and not think twice. Turkish guns vs Chilean guns. But it’s all very subjective, beauty in the eye of the beholder. Canadians have been reporting mixed opinions on FAMAE quality. But if you wanted a 54X, there was one for sale a year ago, if you can stomach the horrendous import mark (it’s worse than JDIs, which I can tolerate) 
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MP, USA
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Posted: 9/25/2024 7:35:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Apec: Canadians have been reporting mixed opinions on FAMAE quality. But if you wanted a 54X, there was one for sale a year ago, if you can stomach the horrendous import mark (it’s worse than JDIs, which I can tolerate) https://i.imgur.com/uxM8uLY.png Yep, the import markings are terrible. I am not a fan of JDI’s either, nor the JDI serial number prefixes. I had a chance to buy a 543 and a SAF from the importer in GA around 2019 or 2020 and passed. These were post sample MGs and demo letters in my area were hard to come by. Even harder now. |
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Posted: 9/30/2024 8:27:15 PM EDT
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Keep hope alive!
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