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Posted: 10/19/2024 9:18:44 AM EST
[Last Edit: triode]
I have picked up over a dozen cans in the last few months as things came back in stock, and the first 9 were all approved within 3 business days. All of a sudden, the fast approvals stopped. I have four cans (two different dealers who I used recently and had fast approvals) that are going on two weeks. I am perplexed at what could have caused this change. Did I get on a watch list for too many transfers? Am I on the trainee's desk?
Anyone else experience this? See my post below for update. |
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OK, USA
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Posted: 10/19/2024 9:22:26 AM EST
[#1]
They’re saving some of the fast approvals for the rest of us because you were taking them all!
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TX, USA
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Posted: 10/19/2024 9:34:27 AM EST
[#2]
Keep certifying form 4's until they approve them all in a batch approval.
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Posted: 10/19/2024 9:48:31 AM EST
[#3]
Laughs at "going on 2 weeks"
Not that long ago a year or more was the norm. |
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Posted: 10/19/2024 10:58:45 AM EST
[#4]
Totally agree fast approvals thing of the past.
During the summer I had 2 suppressors and 2 SBR approved with the average approval being 2-3 days. Last week I bought a new suppressor and it took 5 days to be approved! I miss the fast approvals! |
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Posted: 10/19/2024 11:02:05 AM EST
[#5]
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Posted: 10/19/2024 11:35:41 AM EST
[Last Edit: m200maker]
[#6]
Your forms are sitting on the desk of a new DEI hire transplant from kommifornistan.
They hate hearing protection. |
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NV, USA
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Posted: 10/19/2024 11:59:50 AM EST
[#7]
My last one I submitted couple weeks ago was approved in 1 day. The ones I submitted in August took 5 days. So to me they are getting faster.
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FL, USA
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Posted: 10/19/2024 12:41:47 PM EST
[#8]
2 questions. 1.Where does the $200 go to? ATF or general gov funds.
2. How much does it cost for the ATF to process an approval? 3. I lied, could they see handwriting on the wall and are just trying to pass as many approvals as possible before suppressors get removed from NFA and the $ and jobs disappear? |
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Posted: 10/19/2024 1:28:10 PM EST
[#9]
Sometimes things happen.
I just sent in two paper F4 (intrastate sales from a private seller to private buyer). I included one set of fingerprint cards, which is normal and acceptable when you’re sending in multiple forms. They approved the MG and shot back the suppressor for lack of fingerprint cards.  Just sent another set of cards yesterday.It’s always something. Just keep pushing forward and you’ll be approved soon enough. |
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Posted: 10/19/2024 1:47:34 PM EST
[#10]
Cool. Getting to pay for a right and getting that right delayed.
Fu@k the constitution |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 10/19/2024 7:03:55 PM EST
[#11]
Probably because a billion gun owners have suddenly discovered suppressors have quick approval times so they all rushed out and bought one, which overwhelms the AFT examiners and causes slower approvals.
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USA
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Posted: 10/19/2024 9:30:50 PM EST
[Last Edit: 413dan]
[#12]
my first stamp wait was 13 months. my how times have changed!
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Posted: 10/19/2024 9:31:38 PM EST
[#13]
Thanks for the replies. I guess the only thing consistent about the atf is their inconsistency.
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Posted: 10/19/2024 9:32:30 PM EST
[#14]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 413dan: my first stamp wait was 13 months. my how times have changed! I lived through those times as well. |
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Posted: 10/19/2024 9:42:33 PM EST
[#15]
My fastest was in 2009. Took 39 days. Longest was 2022. Took 11 months and 2 weeks. Ill be submitting one on Monday, so we will see. He told me the shops fastest recently was 14 hours.
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Posted: 10/19/2024 10:38:44 PM EST
[Last Edit: prebans]
[#16]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By triode: Thanks for the replies. I guess the only thing consistent about the atf is their inconsistency. (Emphasis added.) That is THE most truthful fact about the ATF, its practices, policies and procedures, how they apply and enforce those practices, policies, and procedures, the application of interpretations, their responses to the same practices or violations on the part of a member of the public… |
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Posted: 10/19/2024 10:41:00 PM EST
[Last Edit: prebans]
[#17]
Not counting 5320.20 submissions (same hour turnaround a few years ago), my best was one week including mailing. My worst was a little less than a full year.
The worst I encountered as a SOT was shy of 18 months. The worst I’ve ever seen in general was over two years. |
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Posted: 10/20/2024 12:25:15 PM EST
[#18]
Right now I have 3 form 4s over 6 months pending . Not a trust .
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Posted: 10/21/2024 7:27:14 AM EST
[#19]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By VaFish: Probably because a billion gun owners have suddenly discovered suppressors have quick approval times so they all rushed out and bought one, which overwhelms the AFT examiners and causes slower approvals. That was true several months back and caused everything to go out of stock. I am doing another one today (via Silencer Shop). All the others were the same EFT file (that previously worked a number of times.) My Silencer Shop uses a separate EFT, and if that goes quick it will narrow down things. |
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Posted: 10/21/2024 8:24:23 AM EST
[Last Edit: Spartikis]
[#20]
Anything under a month is good for me. A couple weeks is absolutely fantastic.
I’ve had approves take as long as 14 months before eforms was a thing. My 5320.20 came back on 10 days. I remember when those were a month wait. Really times are good, get out there and buy items you’ve been putting off in case in changes. |
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Posted: 10/21/2024 12:07:56 PM EST
[#21]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Spartikis: Anything under a month is good for me. A couple weeks is absolutely fantastic. I’ve had approves take as long as 14 months before eforms was a thing. My 5320.20 came back on 10 days. I remember when those were a month wait. Really times are good, get out there and buy items you’ve been putting off in case in changes. I lived through the year plus approvals; you basically forgot about it until the gun shop called. What concerns me is not knowing why all of a sudden things changed. I literally had 10 three day turn arounds since July, including 2 approved on 10/8. But 10/7 and 10/9 submissions have not gone through. How does that make any sense? |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 10/21/2024 12:28:25 PM EST
[#22]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By terry_tr6: 2 questions. 1.Where does the $200 go to? ATF or general gov funds. 2. How much does it cost for the ATF to process an approval? 3. I lied, could they see handwriting on the wall and are just trying to pass as many approvals as possible before suppressors get removed from NFA and the $ and jobs disappear? 1. Tax money goes to the US General Fund. ATF doesn't see a dime of it. Theor budget is set by congress, they get the same amount if they process 1 form or one million. 2. In testimony before congress the ATF stated it takes them an average of 15 minutes to process a form. No dollar amount was given, and it depends upon how you want to calculate it, do we include just examiners time, or everything they use like heat, AC, building space, computers, ect... 3. I think the quick approvals are in part because the ATF knows the NFA is unconstitutional, but they want to show it has as little infringement as possible and therefore balances out some perce9ved benefits. |
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Posted: 10/21/2024 1:08:31 PM EST
[#23]
Interesting info from ATF website for 2023:
National Firearms Act (NFA) NFA registration applications (and transfer applications) 1,061,195 NFA registrations processed (total weapons/count of forms) 1,069,787 NFA registrations processed (total weapons/count of weapons) 3,571,895 NFA making and transfer tax collected $96,018,784.61 NFA special occupation tax collected $10,131,788.76 Note: All taxes collected for NFA go to the general fund of the U.S. Treasury Department. Source Over $100M collected to process 1M forms (I am counting the $10M SOT which addresses Form 3, etc.) With that type of funding, everyone should be getting an approval/disapproval in days. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 10/22/2024 1:04:09 AM EST
[#24]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By triode: Interesting info from ATF website for 2023: National Firearms Act (NFA) NFA registration applications (and transfer applications) 1,061,195 NFA registrations processed (total weapons/count of forms) 1,069,787 NFA registrations processed (total weapons/count of weapons) 3,571,895 NFA making and transfer tax collected $96,018,784.61 NFA special occupation tax collected $10,131,788.76 Note: All taxes collected for NFA go to the general fund of the U.S. Treasury Department. Source Over $100M collected to process 1M forms (I am counting the $10M SOT which addresses Form 3, etc.) With that type of funding, everyone should be getting an approval/disapproval in FIFY |
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Posted: 10/23/2024 5:38:28 PM EST
[Last Edit: JKrammes]
[#25]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JKrammes: My fastest was in 2009. Took 39 days. Longest was 2022. Took 11 months and 2 weeks. Ill be submitting one on Monday, so we will see. He told me the shops fastest recently was 14 hours. Update: Silencer Shops site was down on Monday morning, so I submitted Tuesday 10/22 at 9:54 am. Got my approval at 4:00 pm on 10/23. 18 hours. |
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Posted: 10/24/2024 9:21:58 AM EST
[#26]
Still no movement on my cans. I emailed NICS Liaison and ATF IPB last night, and got generic replies.
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Posted: 10/28/2024 2:26:18 PM EST
[#27]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By triode: Still no movement on my cans. I emailed NICS Liaison and ATF IPB last night, and got generic replies. Thats what i have gotten. Submitted two cans over the summer, one trust, the other indv. Sent an email to the NICS liaison 2 weeks ago. No movement. Started the process for a UPIN and am releasing info for my senator to inquire on my behalf. Heard for the last 6 mos about fast approvals. I havent experienced it. Quite the opposite actually. These have taken longer than any of my previous form 4s. |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 10/28/2024 6:09:56 PM EST
[#28]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By triode: Interesting info from ATF website for 2023: National Firearms Act (NFA) NFA registration applications (and transfer applications) 1,061,195 NFA registrations processed (total weapons/count of forms) 1,069,787 NFA registrations processed (total weapons/count of weapons) 3,571,895 NFA making and transfer tax collected $96,018,784.61 NFA special occupation tax collected $10,131,788.76 Note: All taxes collected for NFA go to the general fund of the U.S. Treasury Department. Source Over $100M collected to process 1M forms (I am counting the $10M SOT which addresses Form 3, etc.) With that type of funding, everyone should be getting an approval/disapproval in days. ATF doesn't get to keep the taxes they collect. It goes to the treasury general fund. Anyhow over on the r/NFA Reddit they have a megathread for tracking wait times. Plenty of people reporting 24 hr or even less approval times. I had a Form 1 to SBS a shotgun on a trust approved in 38 hours. Just because you have to wait doesn't mean everyone else has to wait too. |
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LA, USA
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Posted: 10/29/2024 6:35:26 PM EST
[#29]
Originally Posted By triode: I have picked up over a dozen cans in the last few months as things came back in stock, and the first 9 were all approved within 3 business days. All of a sudden, the fast approvals stopped. I have four cans (two different dealers who I used recently and had fast approvals) that are going on two weeks. I am perplexed at what could have caused this change. Did I get on a watch list for too many transfers? Am I on the trainee's desk? Anyone else experience this? |
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USA
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Posted: 11/2/2024 1:14:06 AM EST
[#30]
Same with me, Aug and Sept I did 8 eform 4s, individual. 48-72 hours on all of them, most were 2 at a time. Did 2 more on 10/18, have heard nothing.
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PA, USA
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Posted: 11/4/2024 3:02:09 PM EST
[Last Edit: HRoark]
[#31]
I had a form 4 approved in 4 hours and 21 minutes on Oct 24.
Fast approvals are still happening. |
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Posted: 11/4/2024 6:32:27 PM EST
[#32]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HRoark: I had a form 4 approved in 4 hours and 21 minutes on Oct 24. Fast approvals are still happening. Happening for some. Based on responses to this thread and others, plus discussions with local FFLs, something is impacting some folks who previously had fast approvals. I think it is on the ATF side as NICS told me nothing was pending on me at FBI. Still no approvals for five submissions between 10/7 to 10/15. The 9 previous were all a few days. |
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Posted: 11/4/2024 6:49:11 PM EST
[#33]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By triode: Happening for some. Based on responses to this thread and others, plus discussions with local FFLs, something is impacting some folks who previously had fast approvals. I think it is on the ATF side as NICS told me nothing was pending on me at FBI. Still no approvals for five submissions between 10/7 to 10/15. The 9 previous were all a few days. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By triode: Originally Posted By HRoark: I had a form 4 approved in 4 hours and 21 minutes on Oct 24. Fast approvals are still happening. Happening for some. Based on responses to this thread and others, plus discussions with local FFLs, something is impacting some folks who previously had fast approvals. I think it is on the ATF side as NICS told me nothing was pending on me at FBI. Still no approvals for five submissions between 10/7 to 10/15. The 9 previous were all a few days. Almost like someone at ATF is on leave/has left, and their queue hasn't been touched. Now at 90 days on two cans submitted 7/31. These are exact duplicates (in every way) in can vendor, FFL, Individual, and submittal procedure (from the FFL's computer), as two single-day approvals from April. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 11/4/2024 9:21:09 PM EST
[#34]
Since misery loves company, count me in as waiting on several submitted 10/8.
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USA
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Posted: 11/4/2024 9:39:15 PM EST
[#35]
Yeah, it does not make sense, I mean I can wait, I just can’t figure out why the delay now🤷♂️
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Posted: 11/4/2024 10:39:15 PM EST
[Last Edit: scottMO]
[#36]
IDK, still coming in quick, Most recent was today, oct 31- nov 4.
Since July, My last 5 have taken 12 days total between them. 1,1,2,4,4, and in no particular order. Silencer shop, individual. |
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CO, USA
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Posted: 11/4/2024 10:52:19 PM EST
[#37]
and these fast approvals are e-file, so no physical stamp??
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USA
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Posted: 11/4/2024 10:59:22 PM EST
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By saltydecimator: and these fast approvals are e-file, so no physical stamp?? Your approved form and stamp come attached via PDF with the approval email. Print it out and you have a physical stamp |
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CO, USA
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Posted: 11/4/2024 11:07:50 PM EST
[#39]
weeeeeeellll, noone will buy a canceld pdf photocopy 0n ebay...
the physical, cool, real, actual stamp is not worth 200, but at least its sonething for the butt plunderin/unconstitutionality of the whole charade???! |
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Posted: 11/4/2024 11:50:56 PM EST
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By thebert: Laughs at "going on 2 weeks" Not that long ago a year or more was the norm. |
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Posted: 11/5/2024 7:42:18 AM EST
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HRoark: I had a form 4 approved in 4 hours and 21 minutes on Oct 24. Fast approvals are still happening. I had an 18 hour approval last week. I live in Pennsylvania too. I wonder if agents are in charge of regions. |
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Posted: 11/5/2024 7:57:10 AM EST
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By titan7: Yeah, it does not make sense, I mean I can wait, I just can’t figure out why the delay now🤷♂️ Exactly the point of this thread. Why did things change? Why are some still fast? Why can't we get a decent status? |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 11/5/2024 4:36:25 PM EST
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JKrammes: I had an 18 hour approval last week. I live in Pennsylvania too. I wonder if agents are in charge of regions. Unfortunately I wasn’t so lucky. Going on day 13 tomorrow. Was hoping to pick up my can in Pittsburgh before the election turns that place into a sh*t hole…..more so. |
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Posted: 11/8/2024 5:48:57 PM EST
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JJL0325: Your approved form and stamp come attached via PDF with the approval email. Print it out and you have a physical stamp Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JJL0325: Originally Posted By saltydecimator: and these fast approvals are e-file, so no physical stamp?? Your approved form and stamp come attached via PDF with the approval email. Print it out and you have a physical stamp No, it isn't a physical stamp. Its a .pdf image. If I print out a pdf of a $100 bill.... I don't have a physical $100 bill. If you want a physical stamp you file a paper form. |
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Posted: 11/8/2024 5:59:21 PM EST
[#45]
They are busy burning documents and smashing hard-drives, give em a break.
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Posted: 11/9/2024 9:38:58 AM EST
[#46]
Major update. I bought a MG and suppressor at a LGS ( the same one where three of my transfers were waiting.) Went in Friday to do the Form 4's.
As a hunch, I took the credit freeze off at the credit bureau the noght before as that is one thing I had put on about the time the fast approvals stopped. I finish the forms and go to my next errand. ~30 minutes later I get a call saying the MG was approved. I check my email and sure enough it was approved. As was the suppressor. Then the other 5 approvals submissions from weeks before roll in one after the other. Time between MG submission and approval emails was 24 minutes. 24 minutes. Take aways - if you have a credit freeze, it might impact you approvals. - batch approvals do happen. - the only thing consistent is the inconsistency. |
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USA
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Posted: 11/9/2024 2:09:54 PM EST
[#47]
I don’t have any credit freezes, not sure how that would impact NFA approval, but congratulations to you, I’m now going on 4 wks, just makes no sense.
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Posted: 11/9/2024 4:43:02 PM EST
[#48]
I just bought a SF SOCOM can and a SiCo Switchback today from Cap Arm with e filing. Really hoping the fast/batched approvals is still going. That's the main reason I went ahead and dropped the hammer on it after stalling on it for months.
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