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Posted: 6/2/2023 7:23:55 AM EDT
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I was so close to buying one until I read about some of the "issues". Looks like SIG is using the commercial buyers as beta testers again. I'll wait for Get 4
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NH, USA
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Posted: 6/5/2023 1:27:40 PM EDT
[Last Edit: stratoat]
[#2]
I've had the 16" .308 variant for about 2 months now, have roughly 550 rounds through it, and have had the opportunity to shoot it out to 600 yds. Some thoughts:
1) I disassemble, clean, and lubricate all new firearms. With the spear, the 2 handguard screws initially had red loctite and were way over torqued. The barrel clamp was torqued under spec around 40 in-lbs. I cleaned off the loctite, torqued the handguard screws to 35 in-lbs, torqued the barrel clamp to 60 in-lbs. Have had zero issues with barrel deflection/bending even after plenty of rifle/pistol transitions and hard-use drills. 2) Piston gas rings were EXTREMELY tight, and I had to use a mallet to tap it out. 3) Mounted an NX8 2.5-20 and got 1.8" groups at 100 yds with Federal AE 150gr training ammo. 2.6" groups with Winchester 147gr 7.62 NATO. Got 2.1" groups with PMC .308 147gr. 1.2" groups with Federal SMK 175gr. And finally, 0.8" groups with Sig match 175gr. Haven't tested any other ammo or handloads, but the rifle was likely optimized with Sig's factory ammo. YMMV, but this gun can definitely push sub-MOA with the right ammo and shooter. 4) The legacy AR charging handle is more a nuisance than anything else, and I've exclusively used the side-charging handle. 5) Zero malfunctions with the SLX 7.62 full size suppressor on the suppressed gas setting. POI shift isn't too terrible, but had to dial elevation up 2 MOA after mounting the can. Has a pleasant tone, but still rings my ears after 5 rounds. I have a Flow 7.62 Ti on backorder right now, and will be swapping to that when the stamp comes back. 6) Trigger's fine, no issues or complaints. It's no SSA-E, but it's still very good. 7) Cleaned it again for the second time at 550 rounds, and there's no significant wear on any of the parts. FWIW, I relubed around 300 rounds. My only complaint is that it's an absolute bitch to get the extractor pinned back to the bolt after cleaning. That extractor spring is VERY tight. |
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Posted: 6/5/2023 8:03:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stratoat: I've had the 16" .308 variant for about 2 months now, have roughly 550 rounds through it, and have had the opportunity to shoot it out to 600 yds. Some thoughts: 1) I disassemble, clean, and lubricate all new firearms. With the spear, the 2 handguard screws initially had red loctite and were way over torqued. The barrel clamp was torqued under spec around 40 in-lbs. I cleaned off the loctite, torqued the handguard screws to 35 in-lbs, torqued the barrel clamp to 60 in-lbs. Have had zero issues with barrel deflection/bending even after plenty of rifle/pistol transitions and hard-use drills. 2) Piston gas rings were EXTREMELY tight, and I had to use a mallet to tap it out. 3) Mounted an NX8 2.5-20 and got 1.8" groups at 100 yds with Federal AE 150gr training ammo. 2.6" groups with Winchester 147gr 7.62 NATO. Got 2.1" groups with PMC .308 147gr. 1.2" groups with Federal SMK 175gr. And finally, 0.8" groups with Sig match 175gr. Haven't tested any other ammo or handloads, but the rifle was likely optimized with Sig's factory ammo. YMMV, but this gun can definitely push sub-MOA with the right ammo and shooter. 4) The legacy AR charging handle is more a nuisance than anything else, and I've exclusively used the side-charging handle. 5) Zero malfunctions with the SLX 7.62 full size suppressor on the suppressed gas setting. POI shift isn't too terrible, but had to dial elevation up 2 MOA after mounting the can. Has a pleasant tone, but still rings my ears after 5 rounds. I have a Flow 7.62 Ti on backorder right now, and will be swapping to that when the stamp comes back. 6) Trigger's fine, no issues or complaints. It's no SSA-E, but it's still very good. 7) Cleaned it again for the second time at 550 rounds, and there's no significant wear on any of the parts. FWIW, I relubed around 300 rounds. My only complaint is that it's an absolute bitch to get the extractor pinned back to the bolt after cleaning. That extractor spring is VERY tight. Good post; thanks. I am working on getting one shortly |
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Posted: 6/18/2023 5:04:25 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Jerad]
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Got a chance to shoot my SPEAR at 100y yesterday. First thing I realized is my TANGO6T is not up to the task. Compared to the vortex 1-10 on the G I was shooting too, its optics don’t have the resolution I’m used to. I think I’m going to mount a NF NX8 2.5-20x50 on it.
Does anyone know if a aftermarket trigger can be installed in these? It looks similar, just unsure. I’d love a Larue or Geissiele. With the 6T and the OEM decent trigger I was typically around 2MOA with fed GM 175. I honestly didn’t shoot it much, with that scope I felt like I was just waisting ammo. |
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NE, USA
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Posted: 6/19/2023 7:37:36 AM EDT
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LGS has Spear in stock.
Are caliber changes going to happen at some point? @Coregon |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 6/19/2023 9:21:21 AM EDT
[#6]
Do these have the same basic hand guard and barrel mounting design as the LT’s?
Given the issues with the LT, any reason to think this one won’t have POA and POI issues? |
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Posted: 6/19/2023 9:42:39 AM EDT
[#7]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By esdunbar: Do these have the same basic hand guard and barrel mounting design as the LT’s? Given the issues with the LT, any reason to think this one won’t have POA and POI issues?  Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 6/20/2023 12:21:11 PM EDT
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I haven’t shot mine while pushing on the barrel, but I could get minimal flex out of the hand guards and the barrel appears to be centered. Next range trip I’ll see what happens.
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Posted: 6/21/2023 9:52:23 AM EDT
[#9]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGOrlX7oP2U
I have a 308 pistol on order. I keep seeing the over insertion issue but it seems to be just pmags like discussed previously in this thread. Has anyone else had issues other than guntubers and what mags if you did? Sig beta tests alot of rifles on the consumer market but I wonder if the army knew about this issue and thats why they have lancers? |
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Posted: 6/27/2023 12:01:04 PM EDT
[#10]
@coregon is the trigger comparable with ar15 triggers??? I’d like to install a Geissiele. They look similar, but I don’t want to monkey with it, without knowing.
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Posted: 6/27/2023 12:07:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jerad: @coregon is the trigger comparable with ar15 triggers??? I’d like to install a Geissiele. They look similar, but I don’t want to monkey with it, without knowing. You would need the G latch. The NGSW/SPEAR is more similar to Virtus, than SPEAR-LT (which does use standard AR15 triggers), when it comes to trigger use/commonality. |
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Posted: 6/27/2023 11:30:25 PM EDT
[#12]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By coregon: You would need the G latch. The NGSW/SPEAR is more similar to Virtus, than SPEAR-LT (which does use standard AR15 triggers), when it comes to trigger use/commonality. Thanks, I forgot about that part, I have one in my rattler so I can run it on my m16. They don’t appear to be in stock anywhere, I’ll keep my eyes open for one. |
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Posted: 6/29/2023 1:39:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By esdunbar: Do these have the same basic hand guard and barrel mounting design as the LT’s? Given the issues with the LT, any reason to think this one won’t have POA and POI issues? Those are self created issues from trying the take muzzle device off |
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Posted: 6/29/2023 7:52:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By xxflyingturtlexx: Those are self created issues from trying the take muzzle device off So what we're kind of uncovering is that the factory muzzle devices are meant to stay to only accept SIG suppressors... And, if an owner wants to run a different suppressor or host system, they have to send the unit back to SIG for them to "professionally" uninstall the muzzle device to avoid the shifting issue? Seems like a bit of a wild concept considering how modular all of the MCX systems have been since their inception. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 6/29/2023 10:55:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By xxflyingturtlexx: Those are self created issues from trying the take muzzle device off Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By xxflyingturtlexx: Originally Posted By esdunbar: Do these have the same basic hand guard and barrel mounting design as the LT’s? Given the issues with the LT, any reason to think this one won’t have POA and POI issues? Those are self created issues from trying the take muzzle device off You're making assumptions off of another posters speculation. No evidence has been provided to show that removing the muzzle device is the culprit to the barrel taking set from being yanked on. |
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Posted: 6/29/2023 11:35:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zerlak: You're making assumptions off of another posters speculation. No evidence has been provided to show that removing the muzzle device is the culprit to the barrel taking set from being yanked on. I think that it may be more indicative of the average gun owner's intelligence. If they have issues getting their muzzle device off, they'll be more likely to nitpick the shit out of the rifle or fuck something else up. 
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NH, USA
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Posted: 6/29/2023 4:45:30 PM EDT
[#17]
Someone @ me when they announce the 6.5 Creedmoor version. Heck, I'd even take one in .277 Fury.
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Posted: 6/29/2023 9:13:06 PM EDT
[#18]
I removed mine by locking the barrel into a rubber jawed vice. Little heat and it spun right off. You gotta be a mouth breather to screw it up.
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Posted: 6/29/2023 10:37:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tctlrld: Someone @ me when they announce the 6.5 Creedmoor version. Heck, I'd even take one in .277 Fury. 2024 should be a safe bet. |
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Posted: 7/3/2023 10:12:50 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Jerad]
[#20]
Got a 4-32x50 NF NX8 ordered in FDE. Badger Ord. Mount with 45* RMR installed, RMR will arrive Thursday.
Not sure this set up will work with my offset Magpul pro BUIS. Also thinking about swapping to a CROSS stock….  Attached File Attached File Attached File |
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CA, USA
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Posted: 7/5/2023 9:37:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jerad: Got a 4-32x50 NF NX8 ordered in FDE. Badger Ord. Mount with 45* RMR installed, RMR will arrive Thursday. Not sure this set up will work with my offset Magpul pro BUIS. Also thinking about swapping to a CROSS stock…. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/45749/IMG_3228_jpeg-2872926.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/45749/IMG_3227_jpeg-2872932.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/45749/IMG_3225_jpeg-2872928.JPG Looks like it is coming together very nicely. Please post pictures when she's finished! |
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Posted: 7/6/2023 2:55:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jerad: Got a 4-32x50 NF NX8 ordered in FDE. Badger Ord. Mount with 45* RMR installed, RMR will arrive Thursday. Not sure this set up will work with my offset Magpul pro BUIS. Also thinking about swapping to a CROSS stock…. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/45749/IMG_3228_jpeg-2872926.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/45749/IMG_3227_jpeg-2872932.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/45749/IMG_3225_jpeg-2872928.JPG Looks like the offset rear iron has minimal clearance, even before the RMR is on it. Not sure what it'll look like when the RMR is mounted but it looks like it'll be skimming the bottom of the reticle window.... if it even makes that height. |
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CA, USA
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Posted: 7/6/2023 8:17:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By doolz: Looks like the offset rear iron has minimal clearance, even before the RMR is on it. Not sure what it'll look like when the RMR is mounted but it looks like it'll be skimming the bottom of the reticle window.... if it even makes that height. Agreed. I suggest moving the offset RMR mount to the forward position on the Badger Ordnance C1. |
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Posted: 7/6/2023 8:42:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Sniper3142: Agreed. I suggest moving the offset RMR mount to the forward position on the Badger Ordnance C1. This is the only move... Still, I don't think there will be enough height clearance for a lower 1/3 co-witness with the iron sight and the RMR. In my experience, the offset optic is essentially the replacement of the offset irons. |
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Posted: 7/6/2023 8:45:24 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Jerad]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By doolz: Looks like the offset rear iron has minimal clearance, even before the RMR is on it. Not sure what it'll look like when the RMR is mounted but it looks like it'll be skimming the bottom of the reticle window.... if it even makes that height. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By doolz: Looks like the offset rear iron has minimal clearance, even before the RMR is on it. Not sure what it'll look like when the RMR is mounted but it looks like it'll be skimming the bottom of the reticle window.... if it even makes that height. It’s definitely too low, I’m going to go back to standard BUIS, if I have to remove the scope to run Irons, may as well be at 12 O’clock where God intended them.  Attached File Attached FileOriginally Posted By Sniper3142: Agreed. I suggest moving the offset RMR mount to the forward position on the Badger Ordnance C1. I’ll figure that out once the NF is in, I assume it’ll be more out of the way infront of the windage knob too. Also, @coregon I pulled the firing pin safety today, it’s not the same as the G stamped MCX unit I have for my Rattler. Installed the Geissele trigger, should I be worried about a slam fire? I’ll go easy with it until I find a better solution. Why can’t Sig build a FCG that works universally?!  Attached File |
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Posted: 7/6/2023 9:56:43 PM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jerad: It’s definitely too low, I’m going to go back to standard BUIS, if I have to remove the scope to run Irons, may as well be at 12 O’clock where God intended them. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/45749/IMG_3288_jpeg-2876270.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/45749/IMG_3287_jpeg-2876271.JPG I’ll figure that out once the NF is in, I assume it’ll be more out of the way infront of the windage knob too. Also, @coregon I pulled the firing pin safety today, it’s not the same as the G stamped MCX unit I have for my Rattler. Installed the Geissele trigger, should I be worried about a slam fire? I’ll go easy with it until I find a better solution. Why can’t Sig build a FCG that works universally?! https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/45749/IMG_3291_jpeg-2876277.JPG All depends on what you're purpose for the rifle is. One of the reasons for the offset dot is to eliminate the need for BUIS. Also, the SPEAR FCG is completely redesigned from the earlier MCX models. |
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Posted: 7/6/2023 10:29:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By doolz: All depends on what you're purpose for the rifle is. One of the reasons for the offset dot is to eliminate the need for BUIS. Also, the SPEAR FCG is completely redesigned from the earlier MCX models. I have back up irons on my pistols running an RMR, I’m gonna do the same on my rifles, just one of those things I always do. And yes, I’m aware it’s redesigned. Earlier Coregon stated it would need a G lever to work with AR LPK, but it must be a different version than the standard MCX lever. I’d be interested to know if the LTs have this kind of firing pin safety lever or if it’s still the old style. |
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Posted: 7/6/2023 11:01:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jerad: I have back up irons on my pistols running an RMR, I’m gonna do the same on my rifles, just one of those things I always do. And yes, I’m aware it’s redesigned. Earlier Coregon stated it would need a G lever to work with AR LPK, but it must be a different version than the standard MCX lever. I’d be interested to know if the LTs have this kind of firing pin safety lever or if it’s still the old style. I hadn't seen the internals of the SPEAR until your picture so I was more mentioning it as a "none of this appears interchangeable" comment. Based on what the latch looks like now, there's no way an MCX G latch would work, unless the SPEAR's latch can be removed and replaced with a Virtus latch...? |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 7/7/2023 1:25:45 AM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jerad: I have back up irons on my pistols running an RMR, I’m gonna do the same on my rifles, just one of those things I always do. And yes, I’m aware it’s redesigned. Earlier Coregon stated it would need a G lever to work with AR LPK, but it must be a different version than the standard MCX lever. I’d be interested to know if the LTs have this kind of firing pin safety lever or if it’s still the old style. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jerad: Originally Posted By doolz: All depends on what you're purpose for the rifle is. One of the reasons for the offset dot is to eliminate the need for BUIS. Also, the SPEAR FCG is completely redesigned from the earlier MCX models. I have back up irons on my pistols running an RMR, I’m gonna do the same on my rifles, just one of those things I always do. And yes, I’m aware it’s redesigned. Earlier Coregon stated it would need a G lever to work with AR LPK, but it must be a different version than the standard MCX lever. I’d be interested to know if the LTs have this kind of firing pin safety lever or if it’s still the old style. Spear-LT firing pin safety is drastically different. It's on the side of the carrier retained with a rollpin. |
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MN, USA
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Posted: 7/7/2023 1:13:25 PM EDT
[#30]
Any updates on when LE SKUs will be available? Preferably in 6.5.
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Posted: 7/7/2023 5:48:14 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zerlak: Spear-LT firing pin safety is drastically different. It's on the side of the carrier retained with a rollpin. Interesting. My Gen. 1,2 and rattler are all on top like the SPEAR. I can see how putting it on the side allows standard triggers to work. |
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Posted: 7/8/2023 12:10:03 AM EDT
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I should have taken a photo, but I was at sheels tonight looking at the SPEAR LT. They let me pull the bolt, sure enough the firing pin safety lever was on the side. That’s a first! But I can see why standard AR FCGs work. Next question is why not do this on the full size SPEAR.
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TX, USA
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Posted: 7/8/2023 12:29:46 AM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jerad: I should have taken a photo, but I was at sheels tonight looking at the SPEAR LT. They let me pull the bolt, sure enough the firing pin safety lever was on the side. That’s a first! But I can see why standard AR FCGs work. Next question is why not do this on the full size SPEAR. If I were to make a guess, because they had already submitted the current design for the NGSW rifle contract and didn't want to make changes to it that far into testing/development. |
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Posted: 7/8/2023 10:04:30 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zerlak: If I were to make a guess, because they had already submitted the current design for the NGSW rifle contract and didn't want to make changes to it that far into testing/development. You’re probably right, have to wait for the 2nd Gen. SPEAR. I sure love the Sig rifles, I have so many, but shit changes like this are a no brainer…. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 7/9/2023 12:08:31 AM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jerad: You’re probably right, have to wait for the 2nd Gen. SPEAR. I sure love the Sig rifles, I have so many, but shit changes like this are a no brainer…. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jerad: Originally Posted By Zerlak: If I were to make a guess, because they had already submitted the current design for the NGSW rifle contract and didn't want to make changes to it that far into testing/development. You’re probably right, have to wait for the 2nd Gen. SPEAR. I sure love the Sig rifles, I have so many, but shit changes like this are a no brainer…. I'd more blame the military contract over the lack of upgrade than SIG just wanting more money later. Not trying to make excuses but risking a contract over a carrier change that has little benefit for them isn't exactly something they want to rush in on. If it's anything like the Spear-LT vs Virtus, at least the carrier will be backwards compatible. |
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Posted: 7/9/2023 3:47:41 PM EDT
[Last Edit: astrocreep96]
[#36]
Any mid-range optic suggestions for the Spear? I have a Razor II HD on my Scar 17, I have been meaning to switch to a Gen 3 with the 1 - 10 and think maybe that would be a good optic for the Spear as well, but the Razor is heavy.
I have a Nightforce 5 - 25 on an M82 but can't imagine putting something that big on the Spear. I have a Nightforce 1 - 8 on my Spear LT, and a Trijicon Credo 2 - 8 on a Virtus. I'm thinking maybe another Trijicon with an offset red-dot is a good balance. I would like to SBR this gun with a 13" barrel and suppressor if they ever become available, maybe even just an ACOG? Edit - and for what it's worth, I walked into my LGS yesterday looking for suppressors, and they had the Spear sitting on a display shelf for $4,153. I couldn't say no. 
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Posted: 7/9/2023 5:47:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By astrocreep96: Any mid-range optic suggestions for the Spear? I have a Razor II HD on my Scar 17, I have been meaning to switch to a Gen 3 with the 1 - 10 and think maybe that would be a good optic for the Spear as well, but the Razor is heavy. I have a Nightforce 5 - 25 on an M82 but can't imagine putting something that big on the Spear. I have a Nightforce 1 - 8 on my Spear LT, and a Trijicon Credo 2 - 10 on a Virtus. I'm thinking maybe another Trijicon with an offset red-dot is a good balance. I would like to SBR this gun with a 13" barrel and suppressor if they ever become available, maybe even just an ACOG? Edit - and for what it's worth, I walked into my LGS yesterday looking for suppressors, and they had the Spear sitting on a display shelf for $4,153. I couldn't say no. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/105138/1688875374686-2879984.jpg Vertical SPEAR looks thicc. |
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Posted: 7/10/2023 7:06:22 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By astrocreep96: Any mid-range optic suggestions for the Spear? I have a Razor II HD on my Scar 17, I have been meaning to switch to a Gen 3 with the 1 - 10 and think maybe that would be a good optic for the Spear as well, but the Razor is heavy. I have a Nightforce 5 - 25 on an M82 but can't imagine putting something that big on the Spear. I have a Nightforce 1 - 8 on my Spear LT, and a Trijicon Credo 2 - 8 on a Virtus. I'm thinking maybe another Trijicon with an offset red-dot is a good balance. I would like to SBR this gun with a 13" barrel and suppressor if they ever become available, maybe even just an ACOG? Edit - and for what it's worth, I walked into my LGS yesterday looking for suppressors, and they had the Spear sitting on a display shelf for $4,153. I couldn't say no. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/105138/1688875374686-2879984.jpg I have Sig Tango6T, it’s the appropriate optic for the XM7, but It’s not ideal for me. Too low of power, not an ideal 1x and resolution isn’t great. I almost put a vortex Gen 3 1-10 on it, but decided I’d go with higher mag on this build in anticipation of the 277 barrel and ammo. If I was sticking with .308, it would be the 1-10 vortex. I have one on a Super Duty and it’s amazing. |
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Posted: 7/10/2023 7:15:43 PM EDT
[#39]
Ordered mine 6 months ago, I was told 2 more weeks last week… it’s not easy getting one in CA
I have Tango 6T on a Scalarworks waiting for it. |
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CA, USA
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Posted: 7/10/2023 9:55:39 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Muffins760]
[#40]
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CA, USA
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Posted: 7/10/2023 9:57:39 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WTR_Warlord: Ordered mine 6 months ago, I was told 2 more weeks last week… it’s not easy getting one in CA I have Tango 6T on a Scalarworks waiting for it. Get a Virtual office space In another state and change two proofs of address to it and voila magic you now have a residency in a friendly 2A state. |
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Posted: 7/10/2023 11:05:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jerad: I have Sig Tango6T, it’s the appropriate optic for the XM7, but It’s not ideal for me. Too low of power, not an ideal 1x and resolution isn’t great. I almost put a vortex Gen 3 1-10 on it, but decided I’d go with higher mag on this build in anticipation of the 277 barrel and ammo. If I was sticking with .308, it would be the 1-10 vortex. I have one on a Super Duty and it’s amazing. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jerad: Originally Posted By astrocreep96: Any mid-range optic suggestions for the Spear? I have a Razor II HD on my Scar 17, I have been meaning to switch to a Gen 3 with the 1 - 10 and think maybe that would be a good optic for the Spear as well, but the Razor is heavy. I have a Nightforce 5 - 25 on an M82 but can't imagine putting something that big on the Spear. I have a Nightforce 1 - 8 on my Spear LT, and a Trijicon Credo 2 - 8 on a Virtus. I'm thinking maybe another Trijicon with an offset red-dot is a good balance. I would like to SBR this gun with a 13" barrel and suppressor if they ever become available, maybe even just an ACOG? Edit - and for what it's worth, I walked into my LGS yesterday looking for suppressors, and they had the Spear sitting on a display shelf for $4,153. I couldn't say no. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/105138/1688875374686-2879984.jpg I have Sig Tango6T, it’s the appropriate optic for the XM7, but It’s not ideal for me. Too low of power, not an ideal 1x and resolution isn’t great. I almost put a vortex Gen 3 1-10 on it, but decided I’d go with higher mag on this build in anticipation of the 277 barrel and ammo. If I was sticking with .308, it would be the 1-10 vortex. I have one on a Super Duty and it’s amazing. Yeah I think the Razor 3 is the answer. I looked at the weights on Eurooptic and the gen 3 razor is actually a little lighter than my Trijicon credo. |
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Posted: 7/11/2023 8:32:02 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Croak]
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By astrocreep96: Any mid-range optic suggestions for the Spear? I have a Razor II HD on my Scar 17, I have been meaning to switch to a Gen 3 with the 1 - 10 and think maybe that would be a good optic for the Spear as well, but the Razor is heavy. I have a Nightforce 5 - 25 on an M82 but can't imagine putting something that big on the Spear. I have a Nightforce 1 - 8 on my Spear LT, and a Trijicon Credo 2 - 8 on a Virtus. I'm thinking maybe another Trijicon with an offset red-dot is a good balance. I would like to SBR this gun with a 13" barrel and suppressor if they ever become available, maybe even just an ACOG? Edit - and for what it's worth, I walked into my LGS yesterday looking for suppressors, and they had the Spear sitting on a display shelf for $4,153. I couldn't say no. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/105138/1688875374686-2879984.jpg A quality 2-10/2.5-10 FFP (like the Credo) and an offset or top mount dot. But then again, I'm a convert to the Church of the MPVO. |
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Posted: 7/13/2023 7:56:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Croak: A quality 2-10/2.5-10 FFP (like the Credo) and an offset or top mount dot. But then again, I'm a convert to the Church of the MPVO. This would be a good option too, but with a 1-10x and 2.5-20 available why do a 2.5-10? If you're willing to go from 1->2.5x on the bottom end, just do the 2.5-20 Nightforce. Why stop at 10x on a 7.62 battle rifle when modern scopes can get you 2.5-20? I guess weight, but the added mag seems worth it. |
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Posted: 7/13/2023 10:22:13 PM EDT
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I think the Razor 1 - 10 makes the most sense for me, although I'd be curious to try a 2 - 10 with an offset reddot to see how the transition is.
I could see how a benchshooting scenario favors one optic, but maybe an MPVO with an offset reddot setup is quicker in other scenarios. I have enough guns that I could play around with a few setups and see what comes of it. Still haven't bouht the suppressors I set out to buy last week. 
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Posted: 7/18/2023 1:17:12 PM EDT
[#46]
Has anyone removed the muzzle device? Is it right hand threads?
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Posted: 7/18/2023 2:33:22 PM EDT
[#47]
Yes. Normal threads.
Please, for fuck's sake, use a proper barrel vise, so we don't have to hear whining. |
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Posted: 7/18/2023 3:53:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JAG2955: Yes. Normal threads. Please, for fuck's sake, use a proper barrel vise, so we don't have to hear whining. All good got it off, cut some wood in the contour of the barrel clamped it on the vice and it popped off fairly easily with 20” crescent wrench Had to order a tapered barrel shoulder adapter for a surefire brake. |
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Posted: 7/18/2023 5:46:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jerad: This would be a good option too, but with a 1-10x and 2.5-20 available why do a 2.5-10? If you're willing to go from 1->2.5x on the bottom end, just do the 2.5-20 Nightforce. Why stop at 10x on a 7.62 battle rifle when modern scopes can get you 2.5-20? I guess weight, but the added mag seems worth it. Compared to a 1-10 LVPO, you get better overall glass, better eye box and eye relief, better low-light, just generally more scope for the money since no compromises need to be made for 1x and some semblance of daylight bright/CQB capabilities, and yeah, less weight. 10x is good to at least 800m, even with old man eyes. Do you need several more ounces of scope and several inches of length for more than that? Not on a short-ish barrel 7.62 battle rifle, IMO. |
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Posted: 7/18/2023 8:13:36 PM EDT
[Last Edit: WTR_Warlord]
[#50]
Finally got mine unfortunately it is neutered for CA almost feel embarrassed posting this…
Probably very few in CA at the moment. Just happy to have one.  Attached FileFixed stock/ no flashider and fin grip |
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