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Posted: 6/1/2020 11:41:53 AM EDT
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Posted: 6/1/2020 1:10:03 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/1/2020 1:48:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By goloud: Don't get too excited yet: https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2020/06/01/sig-sauer-ships-next-generation-squad-weapons-prototypes-to-the-us-army/ https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/83570/F09A2F7F-DCCA-42B2-B976-25351A19B499-1442323.jpg |
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USA
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Posted: 6/1/2020 6:03:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By goloud: Don’t get too excited yet: https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2020/06/01/sig-sauer-ships-next-generation-squad-weapons-prototypes-to-the-us-army/ https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/83570/F09A2F7F-DCCA-42B2-B976-25351A19B499-1442323.jpg TAKE MY MONEY |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 6/1/2020 7:48:48 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/1/2020 11:49:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By goloud: https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/83570/F09A2F7F-DCCA-42B2-B976-25351A19B499-1442323.jpg  Attached File |
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Posted: 6/1/2020 11:56:08 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/2/2020 8:18:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jle57: TAKE MY MONEY Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jle57: Originally Posted By goloud: Don't get too excited yet: https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2020/06/01/sig-sauer-ships-next-generation-squad-weapons-prototypes-to-the-us-army/ https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/83570/F09A2F7F-DCCA-42B2-B976-25351A19B499-1442323.jpg TAKE MY MONEY
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Posted: 6/2/2020 8:32:55 AM EDT
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Anticipation is the best part.
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MA, USA
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Posted: 6/2/2020 9:04:00 AM EDT
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Sig read this: 6.5 CM, DMR alum stock
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 6/3/2020 8:35:22 PM EDT
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So August 2021?
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Posted: 6/4/2020 1:13:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BLKY: Sig read this: 6.5 CM, DMR alum stock I would be good with this. Would prefer a 14.5" 6.5 CM, then p&w a QD muzzle brake for my suppressors. So either sell it as a pistol, or hopefully some barrel options. |
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MA, USA
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Posted: 6/4/2020 8:46:40 AM EDT
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6.5 CM barrels need to be long to take advantage of the caliber, like 24"
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Posted: 6/4/2020 9:13:52 AM EDT
[Last Edit: RePp]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BLKY: 6.5 CM barrels need to be long to take advantage of the caliber, like 24" Not really. They should have options because people want to have choices. I want a 14.5 or 16 so it's on the lighter side but plenty of ass to go past 1k. If your not packing it around and length and weight arent an issue then by all means go long. |
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Posted: 6/4/2020 9:35:01 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By BLKY: 6.5 CM barrels need to be long to take advantage of the caliber, like 24" Not quite. Will you get more velocity with a longer barrel for 6.5CM? Sure. But for what I need and want, a suppressed 14.5" 6.5CM would do everything I need.  SHOT Show 2020 - Sneak Peak of a Knight's Armament 14.5" 6.5 Creedmoor SR-25 (4K) Originally Posted By RePp: Not really. They should have options because people want to have choices. I want a 14.5 or 16 so it's on the lighter side but plenty of ass to go past 1k. If your not packing it around and length and weight arent a issue issue then by all means go long. Exactly. Especially since I will be using a can on it. I don't want a 22-24" barrel + add a suppressor to that. |
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Posted: 6/4/2020 2:56:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BLKY: 6.5 CM barrels need to be long to take advantage of the caliber, like 24" The same could be said of any caliber, but the 6.5CM is ballistically effecient whether it’s up to maximal velocity or not. It excels as a high-speed high-efficiency round, but then the question becomes if that’s best for this rifle. To me this rifle is better suited for being fairly compact and lightweight while packing significant firepower ala SCAR 2.0, and I’d rather it be in something like a 14.5-16. Or, put another way, if I want a long-barreled 6.5CM, I probably don’t want it in this rifle. |
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Posted: 6/9/2020 5:14:48 PM EDT
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coregon has commented on almost all of the bumped posts in this forum today.
Let's see if we get lucky. |
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Posted: 6/9/2020 5:18:29 PM EDT
[Last Edit: coregon]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JAG2955: coregon has commented on almost all of the bumped posts in this forum today. Let's see if we get lucky. Well, you can’t order one yet. That’s about all the update I can give. The Feedback is good though. That’s good news. |
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Posted: 6/9/2020 5:49:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By coregon: Well, you can order one yet. That's about all the update I can give. The Feedback is good though. That's good news. |
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Posted: 6/9/2020 6:00:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JAG2955: Can, or can't? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JAG2955: Originally Posted By coregon: Well, you can order one yet. That's about all the update I can give. The Feedback is good though. That's good news. Can’t - I fixed it 
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NC, USA
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Posted: 6/10/2020 8:29:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By coregon: Can’t - I fixed it Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By coregon: Originally Posted By JAG2955: Originally Posted By coregon: Well, you can order one yet. That's about all the update I can give. The Feedback is good though. That's good news. Can’t - I fixed it Hypothetically, I think that the designed 13" barrel when sold with a pistol brace would be ideal. Granted, .277SF will be crazy expensive. I'd probably want a spare .308 barrel for training with. Same length. |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 6/10/2020 6:50:40 PM EDT
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@coregon Hear anything about the ALPHA4 Ultralight Mount coming to civilians or no?
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Posted: 6/10/2020 8:01:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BLKY: Sig read this: 6.5 CM, DMR alum stock |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 6/10/2020 8:49:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By right_rudder: Make that two. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By right_rudder: Originally Posted By BLKY: Sig read this: 6.5 CM, DMR alum stock I'm in for one. |
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Posted: 6/10/2020 10:11:03 PM EDT
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I think I want to hear more about the "feedback."
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USA
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Posted: 6/11/2020 11:25:09 AM EDT
[Last Edit: jle57]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JAG2955: We don't even know how much they'll take yet. My guess Scar Heavy prices if not more +- $200-500. Then a mortgage for the ammo. 
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 6/11/2020 3:27:59 PM EDT
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Scar 20S comes in 6.5 CM.. 'magine if the 17S had a CM option. Similar price and available around same time as Spear. BIG THINK
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USA
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Posted: 6/11/2020 5:00:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GrAvril: Scar 20S comes in 6.5 CM.. 'magine if the 17S had a CM option. Similar price and available around same time as Spear. BIG THINK They do have aftermarket version. Just not factory if you were in the market. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 6/11/2020 7:11:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jle57: They do have aftermarket version. Just not factory if you were in the market. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jle57: Originally Posted By GrAvril: Scar 20S comes in 6.5 CM.. 'magine if the 17S had a CM option. Similar price and available around same time as Spear. BIG THINK They do have aftermarket version. Just not factory if you were in the market. I wish FN would get their heads out of their asses and make a 17S 6.5CM factory barrel. Hopefully SIG won't disappoint and will fill that gap. |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 6/12/2020 2:17:20 PM EDT
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Don't want to talk politics but I am nervous that Sig won't release it in time if Biden wins & some AWB comes back
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TX, USA
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Posted: 6/12/2020 11:12:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GrAvril: Don't want to talk politics but I am nervous that Sig won't release it in time if Biden wins & some AWB comes back It's a valid concern. @coregon has this possibility been discussed since the election results could have an impact on non-MIL/LE sales of the Spear? |
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MA, USA
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Posted: 6/14/2020 10:21:41 PM EDT
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We all have different wants. To most 6.5 CM is considered a long range round and everyone in the long range game is looking for velocity. A lot of us have bolt action 6.5 CM precision rifles and I'd like a semi auto sniper rifle that uses the same ammo as it. You can have a semi auto with a compromised barrel length of 18" or so, run a suppressor and have a M110 like gun that doesn't require a whole new caliber. I think the number of people wanting a Spear in 6.5 with a 14.5" barrel would be so limited it's a bad decision for them. I take a 14.5" 5.56 AR out to 500 0r 600 yards all the time and past that I move to the precision rifle. All you'd have is a heavy, expensive gun that shoots expensive ammo that is little better than a 556 AR
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Posted: 6/15/2020 1:13:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BLKY: We all have different wants. To most 6.5 CM is considered a long range round and everyone in the long range game is looking for velocity. A lot of us have bolt action 6.5 CM precision rifles and I'd like a semi auto sniper rifle that uses the same ammo as it. You can have a semi auto with a compromised barrel length of 18" or so, run a suppressor and have a M110 like gun that doesn't require a whole new caliber. I think the number of people wanting a Spear in 6.5 with a 14.5" barrel would be so limited it's a bad decision for them. I take a 14.5" 5.56 AR out to 500 0r 600 yards all the time and past that I move to the precision rifle. All you'd have is a heavy, expensive gun that shoots expensive ammo that is little better than a 556 AR Lots of bad info in here. I can have a 16 inch gas gun shooting the same ammo as my bolt guns and it will have no problem going 1k+. The point is to make a smaller handier rifle that still goes far without being long and heavy. I shoot my 12.5 223 out to 600 so why do you think a 16 inch 6.5 cm won't be effective? Crunch the numbers it's still badass. |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 6/24/2020 1:41:50 AM EDT
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I don't like how picky about suppressors my Scar is. What is the guesstimate for the Spear's weight? Man I hope it's less than 17S @ 7lb 14oz. How sweet would that be. But it looks really overbuilt and tall in the receivers to me.
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Posted: 7/3/2020 11:57:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BLKY: We all have different wants. To most 6.5 CM is considered a long range round and everyone in the long range game is looking for velocity. A lot of us have bolt action 6.5 CM precision rifles and I'd like a semi auto sniper rifle that uses the same ammo as it. You can have a semi auto with a compromised barrel length of 18" or so, run a suppressor and have a M110 like gun that doesn't require a whole new caliber. I think the number of people wanting a Spear in 6.5 with a 14.5" barrel would be so limited it's a bad decision for them. I take a 14.5" 5.56 AR out to 500 0r 600 yards all the time and past that I move to the precision rifle. All you'd have is a heavy, expensive gun that shoots expensive ammo that is little better than a 556 AR I noticed you live in MA where you can't own a suppressor. I live in a state where I can. I shoot suppressed. Long barrels + suppressor sucks. Heavy. Doesn't handle or balance as well. A 14.5" 6.5 Creedmoor with a 140gr is going to meet or outperform the 175 .308 SMK from a 20" barrel. Plus on a 14.5" I can still run a short can and be useable. That's why I want a 6.5CM in a shorter barrel length. A 20-22" 6.5CM doesn't make sense for a gun that will be shot suppressed + used in a role outside of bench shooting at a range. I am about real world use. |
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MA, USA
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Posted: 7/7/2020 9:33:14 AM EDT
[Last Edit: BLKY]
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No, I live in a suppressor friendly state. My 6.5 has a 24" barrel and I run 11" long suppressor on it fine but it's a bolt gun and not moved around a lot. I have faith Sig will do what the market wants. Judging by all the other long action semi auto guns on the market it will be 16" to 20". You can always have the barrel cut down to what you want, I do that all the time.
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 7/8/2020 5:45:12 PM EDT
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How far over 10lbs is this going to weigh?
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NC, USA
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Posted: 7/9/2020 7:31:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GrAvril: How far over 10lbs is this going to weigh? My 11.5" legacy MCX with midwest rail, EOTech EXPS-3, Magnifier, DBAL, TAPS switch, mini scout light, and Rex can weighs right around 10 pounds. I imagine this will be about 12 or so with similar kit. But that's a complete WAG. |
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KY, USA
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Posted: 7/13/2020 9:10:23 AM EDT
[Last Edit: BLKY]
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Unfortunately for the short barrel crew I watched a video this weekend on youtube with a Sig employee who ran a barrel length to velocity test where they cut the barrel off in 1" increments and measured velocity for the Cross rifle. It was reported back to the group and the supervisers determined the 6.5 CM can't be run (for them) at less than 18" long.
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 7/13/2020 11:54:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SpyHawk: My 11.5" legacy MCX with midwest rail, EOTech EXPS-3, Magnifier, DBAL, TAPS switch, mini scout light, and Rex can weighs right around 10 pounds. I imagine this will be about 12 or so with similar kit. But that's a complete WAG. Hm. Well, earlier it was stated that Spear should be 20% lighter than what its replacing. What's it replacing? SR-25? I have NFC. That would make it 8.6LB |
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WA, USA
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Posted: 7/15/2020 1:09:48 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Mr_Toyz]
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If that is what Sig is saying then someone should tell KAC their 14.5” SR 25’s in 6.5 won’t work.....
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Posted: 7/16/2020 8:31:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BLKY: Unfortunately for the short barrel crew I watched a video this weekend on youtube with a Sig employee who ran a barrel length to velocity test where they cut the barrel off in 1" increments and measured velocity for the Cross rifle. It was reported back to the group and the supervisers determined the 6.5 CM can't be run (for them) at less than 18" long. Cross bolt action is not a MCX Spear. |
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Posted: 7/16/2020 12:27:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tranzformer: Cross bolt action is not a MCX Spear. So? They're testing round velocity and other metrics related to the round and caliber itself. The cross was probably an easier and more accurate/consistent testbed for the information they were looking for. |
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USA
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Posted: 7/18/2020 2:31:05 AM EDT
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Would love an mcx in 6.5cm but if it ain't going till after election may be looking at sr25
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Posted: 7/22/2020 12:07:01 PM EDT
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Captain's Log: SPEARdate 22July2020. Location classified. Still no sighting. I fear that if the SPEAR is not found before the election, we will never see it, nor feel its power.
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 7/23/2020 6:00:44 PM EDT
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Well said Cap'n. At least I have me whisky, she'll never leave me
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Posted: 7/24/2020 10:04:26 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/24/2020 10:23:20 PM EDT
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Even if I do get it I really hope Midwest comes out with a new handguard.
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Posted: 7/24/2020 10:27:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Sincerd: Even if I do get it I really hope Midwest comes out with a new handguard. The MI rails are such an improvement over the sig handguards. |
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USA
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Posted: 7/24/2020 11:02:16 PM EDT
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Also...is that a right side bolt catch, or release or both? Intriguing
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