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Posted: 10/16/2021 1:31:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SMFdarkangel: My understanding is that 277 SIG FURY and 6.8x51mm Hybrid are the same cartridge. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SMFdarkangel: Originally Posted By lordhuck: So the .277 sig fury and the 6.8 x 51 are not the same? Or are they? My understanding is that 277 SIG FURY and 6.8x51mm Hybrid are the same cartridge. That’s my understanding as well, that they are the same. Similar to .308 Winchester vs 7.62x51. One is the commercial round and the other is a military round designation. |
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Posted: 10/18/2021 2:03:17 AM EDT
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8" .308? I don't get it
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Posted: 10/18/2021 9:53:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GrAvril: 8" .308? I don't get it I don't think it's meant to be understood at all. Apart from giving an option so someone can only then need to carry a conversion kit in addition to their more sensibly-sized rifle, as opposed to a complete separate gun such as a Rattler. It makes no sense as a standalone option. |
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USA
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Posted: 10/18/2021 12:31:45 PM EDT
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8” .308 I know will have a lot of unburnt powder. But performance wise, wouldn’t it be similar to supersonic .300 BLK if not slightly better performance? +/- 2000 FPS with a 150-168 gr projectile?
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VA, USA
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Posted: 10/18/2021 12:33:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cheekibreeki: I don't think it's meant to be understood at all. Apart from giving an option so someone can only then need to carry a conversion kit in addition to their more sensibly-sized rifle, as opposed to a complete separate gun such as a Rattler. It makes no sense as a standalone option. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cheekibreeki: Originally Posted By GrAvril: 8" .308? I don't get it I don't think it's meant to be understood at all. Apart from giving an option so someone can only then need to carry a conversion kit in addition to their more sensibly-sized rifle, as opposed to a complete separate gun such as a Rattler. It makes no sense as a standalone option. Ammunition commonality with the new infantry rifle in a carbine-sized weapon for armor crews, or mechanized infantry, maybe? It’s a head scratcher, but then again, the 277 is still pretty badass out of a short barrel. |
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Posted: 10/18/2021 12:42:15 PM EDT
[#6]
~8" is appealing in "other" calibers. But, will have a commercial offering in 308/6.5CM for ammunition commonality. Understand, we're doing things/providing offerings because they are asked for to fulfill, sometimes, very niche needs.
Like MCX/LVAW, the SPEAR/NGSW offerings have, essentially, unlimited possibilities. |
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Posted: 10/18/2021 7:31:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By coregon: ~8" is appealing in "other" calibers. But, will have a commercial offering in 308/6.5CM for ammunition commonality. Understand, we're doing things/providing offerings because they are asked for to fulfill, sometimes, very niche needs. Like MCX/LVAW, the SPEAR/NGSW offerings have, essentially, unlimited possibilities. But with the 3-part case, because fuck your shitty Chicom body armor. |
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CA, USA
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Posted: 10/18/2021 11:16:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GrAvril: 8" .308? I don't get it Do I understand it? Not totally. Do I want one?  |
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USA
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Posted: 10/19/2021 12:17:44 AM EDT
[Last Edit: tranzformer]
[#9]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Sniper3142: Do I understand it? Not totally. Do I want one? https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/80534992.jpg Any reason you couldn't make a 7.62x51/.308 "Fury?" All it is metal base + locking washer + brass case. Give you the ability to run the pressure much higher. I know the .277 Fury is at 80,000 psi. |
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Posted: 10/19/2021 9:41:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tranzformer: Any reason you couldn't make a 7.62x51/.308 "Fury?" All it is metal base + locking washer + brass case. Give you the ability to run the pressure much higher. I know the .277 Fury is at 80,000 psi. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tranzformer: Originally Posted By Sniper3142: Do I understand it? Not totally. Do I want one? https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/80534992.jpg Any reason you couldn't make a 7.62x51/.308 "Fury?" All it is metal base + locking washer + brass case. Give you the ability to run the pressure much higher. I know the .277 Fury is at 80,000 psi. There's no reason why many "traditional" calibers wont be made with the new case technology 
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Posted: 10/19/2021 11:28:29 AM EDT
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Now I understand..
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Posted: 10/19/2021 12:18:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By coregon: There's no reason why many "traditional" calibers wont be made with the new case technology Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By coregon: Originally Posted By tranzformer: Originally Posted By Sniper3142: Do I understand it? Not totally. Do I want one? https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/80534992.jpg Any reason you couldn't make a 7.62x51/.308 "Fury?" All it is metal base + locking washer + brass case. Give you the ability to run the pressure much higher. I know the .277 Fury is at 80,000 psi. There's no reason why many "traditional" calibers wont be made with the new case technology 
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MD, USA
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Posted: 10/19/2021 4:04:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JAG2955: Will you hit .308 performance (or close) out of a .300blk rifle without modifications? Or get 224 Valk performance out of a 223 Hybrid case? It's a pretty cool technology. |
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USA
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Posted: 10/19/2021 5:10:31 PM EDT
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Gives Sig lots of options to offer military/law enforcement in terms of capabilities. The NGSW/Spear is an awesome gun with lots of potential. But the hybrid case design is really fascinating when you think about how it could be used.
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ID, USA
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Posted: 10/19/2021 9:11:12 PM EDT
[Last Edit: lordhuck]
[#15]
Fascinating.
I was under the impression (apparently incorrectly) that Sig didn't want the new hybrid tech used on existing calibers for fear of causing a catastrophic failure in older firearms not manufactured with the extreme chamber pressure in mind that is generated by the new Hybrid ammo. |
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Posted: 10/19/2021 9:21:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lordhuck: Fascinating. I was under the impression (apparently incorrectly) that Sig didn't want the new hybrid tech used on existing calibers for fear of causing a catastrophic failure in older firearms not manufactured with the extreme chamber pressure in mind that is generated by the new Hybrid ammo. There’s an education piece of this, especially in the commercial market. You have somewhat similar scenarios now - 270Win vs 270Wby, 300WM vs 300Norma vs 300PRC. There are also examples such as .30+ caliber suppressors that are rated ONLY for subsonic Ammo vs those with the same bore diameter that are magnum rated. There will be examples where there is more overlap than others. |
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Posted: 10/20/2021 11:13:06 PM EDT
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NC, USA
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Posted: 10/22/2021 6:06:59 AM EDT
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Ok. Hear me out here. 8.6Blk hybrid case. Max pressure supersonic, with a heavy long subsonic option. 8" barrel. Oh hells yeah.
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Posted: 10/22/2021 10:10:10 AM EDT
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Since Sig's not going to SHOT, I guess the release doesn't have to wait then.
 I'd really like to see some potential velocities/energies from various hybrid cases. 8.6 launching a nice heavy supersonic would be sweet. |
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USA
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Posted: 10/22/2021 3:20:12 PM EDT
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A 8-9” 8.6 BLK Spear sounds like a fun gun.
How is the .277 Fury (6.8x51) in terms of subsonic rounds? Any good heavy 6.8mm projectiles? |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 10/23/2021 8:55:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tranzformer: A 8-9” 8.6 BLK Spear sounds like a fun gun. How is the .277 Fury (6.8x51) in terms of subsonic rounds? Any good heavy 6.8mm projectiles? There have been some guys doing subsonic options with the 6.8 Wolverine, or .277 Wolverine. Whatever they call it. |
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Posted: 10/25/2021 4:11:52 PM EDT
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Found this during my daily internet searches for Spear/NGSW news.
From Reddit: jwannem 4 days ago Additional comment actions I just left the USAMU. We're doin all the testing on the projectiles and loads and we have a large hand in the testing of the rifles. SIG is definitely going to win. The other two are having huge accuracy issues. They can't get the new style ammo to jump to the lands(rifling grooves) consistently. Traditional (and SIG) ammo has a distance, measured in thousandths of an inch, that the projectile has to move before it engages the rifling. With this new ammo, the projectile is completely encased so it's more like a full half inch it has to travel before the rifling grabs it. All it takes is a tiny bit of yaw in the projectile before it hits rifling and that bullet is gonna have a fucky flight path. Science |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 10/25/2021 5:43:17 PM EDT
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TVCM isn't completely encased.
However, I do beleive your guy. I listened to last week's Weekly Defense Podcast episode on AUSA'21. Textron NGSW was completely AWOL from the conference, and the True Velocity team was dwarfed by Sig's presence at the show. They certainly made it look like they were going to win. |
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MD, USA
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Posted: 10/26/2021 9:45:31 AM EDT
[Last Edit: erwos]
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EDIT: got my bullpup guys confused.
TVCM was never going to win with a bullpup. Someone over there needs to be fired for using that as their submission form factor. By all means, make one LATER after you win. TVCM not winning makes me sad because I think we need to make the jump to plastic cartridges EVENTUALLY, and this is just going to slow that down. I think Sig's problem is going to be scaling manufacturing; I've heard rumors that they're still having problems with .277 Fury case manufacture, which is why there's no commercial ammo available. It is entirely possible that none of them will win. |
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MN, USA
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Posted: 10/26/2021 10:23:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By erwos: Textron was never going to win with a bullpup. Someone over there needs to be fired for using that as their submission form factor. By all means, make one LATER after you win. TVCM not winning makes me sad because I think we need to make the jump to plastic cartridges EVENTUALLY, and this is just going to slow that down. I think Sig's problem is going to be scaling manufacturing; I've heard rumors that they're still having problems with .277 Fury case manufacture, which is why there's no commercial ammo available. It is entirely possible that none of them will win. Textron does not have a bullpup submission. That would be TV. |
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MD, USA
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Posted: 10/26/2021 10:39:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By call_me_ski: Textron does not have a bullpup submission. That would be TV. That's even worse. Ugh. |
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Posted: 10/26/2021 6:39:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SpyHawk: TVCM isn't completely encased. However, I do beleive your guy. I listened to last week's Weekly Defense Podcast episode on AUSA'21. Textron NGSW was completely AWOL from the conference, and the True Velocity team was dwarfed by Sig's presence at the show. They certainly made it look like they were going to win. Someone once said that the other two look like futuristic designs that will never get made, and it looks like Sig could start pushing these out tomorrow if they wanted. I'm thinking that's the case. We're rapidly approaching the limit of the metallic cartridge. Even if the 3-part doesn't work out, Sig could drop the Spear on the civilian/military market as a replacement for a large frame AR and still have customers. The others can't. |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 10/27/2021 7:53:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JAG2955: Just listened. Seemed like just a short blurb. Someone once said that the other two look like futuristic designs that will never get made, and it looks like Sig could start pushing these out tomorrow if they wanted. I'm thinking that's the case. We're rapidly approaching the limit of the metallic cartridge. Even if the 3-part doesn't work out, Sig could drop the Spear on the civilian/military market as a replacement for a large frame AR and still have customers. The others can't. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JAG2955: Originally Posted By SpyHawk: TVCM isn't completely encased. However, I do beleive your guy. I listened to last week's Weekly Defense Podcast episode on AUSA'21. Textron NGSW was completely AWOL from the conference, and the True Velocity team was dwarfed by Sig's presence at the show. They certainly made it look like they were going to win. Someone once said that the other two look like futuristic designs that will never get made, and it looks like Sig could start pushing these out tomorrow if they wanted. I'm thinking that's the case. We're rapidly approaching the limit of the metallic cartridge. Even if the 3-part doesn't work out, Sig could drop the Spear on the civilian/military market as a replacement for a large frame AR and still have customers. The others can't. Yeah. The one thing I like about the TV round though is how they've shown that pretty much every 762 gun in inventory could be converted to 6.8TVCM with a simple barrel swap. That's a huge bonus for the big Army, and across the DOD. Sig's round may not be so easy to adopt since maybe not every gun can handle that pressure and surely gas systems would need to be adjusted on top of that. |
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NH, USA
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Posted: 10/27/2021 11:39:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SpyHawk: Yeah. The one thing I like about the TV round though is how they've shown that pretty much every 762 gun in inventory could be converted to 6.8TVCM with a simple barrel swap. That's a huge bonus for the big Army, and across the DOD. Sig's round may not be so easy to adopt since maybe not every gun can handle that pressure and surely gas systems would need to be adjusted on top of that. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SpyHawk: Originally Posted By JAG2955: Originally Posted By SpyHawk: TVCM isn't completely encased. However, I do beleive your guy. I listened to last week's Weekly Defense Podcast episode on AUSA'21. Textron NGSW was completely AWOL from the conference, and the True Velocity team was dwarfed by Sig's presence at the show. They certainly made it look like they were going to win. Someone once said that the other two look like futuristic designs that will never get made, and it looks like Sig could start pushing these out tomorrow if they wanted. I'm thinking that's the case. We're rapidly approaching the limit of the metallic cartridge. Even if the 3-part doesn't work out, Sig could drop the Spear on the civilian/military market as a replacement for a large frame AR and still have customers. The others can't. Yeah. The one thing I like about the TV round though is how they've shown that pretty much every 762 gun in inventory could be converted to 6.8TVCM with a simple barrel swap. That's a huge bonus for the big Army, and across the DOD. Sig's round may not be so easy to adopt since maybe not every gun can handle that pressure and surely gas systems would need to be adjusted on top of that. the flip side of that is you lose ALL benefit of the new ammo, they're not going to achieve the programs intended velocity out of conventional barrel lengths, there's a reason TV went with a 22 inch barreled Bullpup. SIGs guns are also capable of running legacy ammunition, whether a barrel swap to 7.62 NATO or maybe even just a brass cased 6.8x51, we've already seen demos of them running their belt fed in 6.5 Creedmoor. I would also venture since the form factor is so close to 7.62 NATO they could do a barrel swap for 240s, maybe a bolt and chamber upgrade to handle the pressures as well. SIGs guns buy the army time to upgrade facilities if they can handle 762 nato or even conventional 6.8x51 for training purposes. TV just buys them useless guns, limp wristed ammo that doesn't do anything better than 762 nato except weigh less. in which case, they could just buy plastic 7.62 nato. and ideally poly cased .50 cal for weight savings on the birds. |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 10/27/2021 6:25:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GraniteStateMike: the flip side of that is you lose ALL benefit of the new ammo, they're not going to achieve the programs intended velocity out of conventional barrel lengths, there's a reason TV went with a 22 inch barreled Bullpup. SIGs guns are also capable of running legacy ammunition, whether a barrel swap to 7.62 NATO or maybe even just a brass cased 6.8x51, we've already seen demos of them running their belt fed in 6.5 Creedmoor. I would also venture since the form factor is so close to 7.62 NATO they could do a barrel swap for 240s, maybe a bolt and chamber upgrade to handle the pressures as well. SIGs guns buy the army time to upgrade facilities if they can handle 762 nato or even conventional 6.8x51 for training purposes. TV just buys them useless guns, limp wristed ammo that doesn't do anything better than 762 nato except weigh less. in which case, they could just buy plastic 7.62 nato. and ideally poly cased .50 cal for weight savings on the birds. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GraniteStateMike: Originally Posted By SpyHawk: Originally Posted By JAG2955: Originally Posted By SpyHawk: TVCM isn't completely encased. However, I do beleive your guy. I listened to last week's Weekly Defense Podcast episode on AUSA'21. Textron NGSW was completely AWOL from the conference, and the True Velocity team was dwarfed by Sig's presence at the show. They certainly made it look like they were going to win. Someone once said that the other two look like futuristic designs that will never get made, and it looks like Sig could start pushing these out tomorrow if they wanted. I'm thinking that's the case. We're rapidly approaching the limit of the metallic cartridge. Even if the 3-part doesn't work out, Sig could drop the Spear on the civilian/military market as a replacement for a large frame AR and still have customers. The others can't. Yeah. The one thing I like about the TV round though is how they've shown that pretty much every 762 gun in inventory could be converted to 6.8TVCM with a simple barrel swap. That's a huge bonus for the big Army, and across the DOD. Sig's round may not be so easy to adopt since maybe not every gun can handle that pressure and surely gas systems would need to be adjusted on top of that. the flip side of that is you lose ALL benefit of the new ammo, they're not going to achieve the programs intended velocity out of conventional barrel lengths, there's a reason TV went with a 22 inch barreled Bullpup. SIGs guns are also capable of running legacy ammunition, whether a barrel swap to 7.62 NATO or maybe even just a brass cased 6.8x51, we've already seen demos of them running their belt fed in 6.5 Creedmoor. I would also venture since the form factor is so close to 7.62 NATO they could do a barrel swap for 240s, maybe a bolt and chamber upgrade to handle the pressures as well. SIGs guns buy the army time to upgrade facilities if they can handle 762 nato or even conventional 6.8x51 for training purposes. TV just buys them useless guns, limp wristed ammo that doesn't do anything better than 762 nato except weigh less. in which case, they could just buy plastic 7.62 nato. and ideally poly cased .50 cal for weight savings on the birds. Oh yeah, for sure it would really only make sense for the TVCM stuff on longer barrels if they want to achieve the crazy velocities, but normal velocities could be had with all the other benefits of the poly ammo. That said, When Sig made the MCX Spear, they basically just took the MCX-MR and updated it, apparently not very much. So, maybe it isn't hard to adopt a weapon to hybrid case high pressure. The MCX-MR was originally in .308 and 6.5Creed. |
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Posted: 10/27/2021 6:39:29 PM EDT
[#31]
I would think just a caliber change and probably an adjustment to the gas system/unlocking time for most 7.62 weapons. That should be a huge selling feature.
Now let's talk about a 3-part case on a .50 BMG SLAP round. 
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Posted: 10/29/2021 7:22:01 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Coalkoy]
[#32]
https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/true-velocity-honored-with-guns--ammo-innovation-of-the-year-award-301408759.html
"True Velocity and partner LoneStar Future Weapons are one of the final two teams remaining in the U.S. Army's Next Generation Squad Weapon Program (NGSW) – an initiative aimed at enhancing the effectiveness of U.S. warfighters through new, cutting-edge weapons systems and ammunition. The NGSW selection is expected to culminate in January 2022. Their offerings include a composite-cased 6.8TVCM round as well as semi-automatic and fully automatic rifles designed to fire it." https://soldiersystems.net/2021/10/11/ausa-21-sig-spear-update/ SIG may have fell off test train. |
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USA
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Posted: 10/29/2021 7:44:58 AM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Coalkoy: SIG may have fell off test train. No. |
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Posted: 10/29/2021 9:17:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Coalkoy: https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/true-velocity-honored-with-guns--ammo-innovation-of-the-year-award-301408759.html "True Velocity and partner LoneStar Future Weapons are one of the final two teams remaining in the U.S. Army's Next Generation Squad Weapon Program (NGSW) – an initiative aimed at enhancing the effectiveness of U.S. warfighters through new, cutting-edge weapons systems and ammunition. The NGSW selection is expected to culminate in January 2022. Their offerings include a composite-cased 6.8TVCM round as well as semi-automatic and fully automatic rifles designed to fire it." https://soldiersystems.net/2021/10/11/ausa-21-sig-spear-update/ SIG may have fell off test train. Textron is the company TV is alluding too. Their NGSW variants were conspicuously no shows at AUSA earlier in the month, leading to much speculation among the defense blogs and pundits. Soldier Systems in the comments of that article you posted mentioned this and that Textron was no comment on NGSW progress. |
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Posted: 11/4/2021 2:28:33 PM EDT
[#35]
Any more news about it?
Speculation on release date? I really want a disassembly video/field strip pics. |
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USA
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Posted: 11/4/2021 3:15:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JAG2955: Any more news about it? Speculation on release date? I really want a disassembly video/field strip pics. Final decision regarding NGSW suppose to be made January 2022. Few more months we should know officially. Winner suppose to be fielded Q4? of 2022 from what I remember reading. |
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Posted: 11/5/2021 10:54:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tranzformer: Final decision regarding NGSW suppose to be made January 2022. Few more months we should know officially. Winner suppose to be fielded Q4? of 2022 from what I remember reading. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tranzformer: Originally Posted By JAG2955: Any more news about it? Speculation on release date? I really want a disassembly video/field strip pics. Final decision regarding NGSW suppose to be made January 2022. Few more months we should know officially. Winner suppose to be fielded Q4? of 2022 from what I remember reading. You forgot to factor in the "Protest" to the decision which will stretch the timeline a little. |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 11/6/2021 8:27:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By voodochild: You forgot to factor in the "Protest" to the decision which will stretch the timeline until it gets cancelled. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By voodochild: Originally Posted By tranzformer: Originally Posted By JAG2955: Any more news about it? Speculation on release date? I really want a disassembly video/field strip pics. Final decision regarding NGSW suppose to be made January 2022. Few more months we should know officially. Winner suppose to be fielded Q4? of 2022 from what I remember reading. You forgot to factor in the "Protest" to the decision which will stretch the timeline until it gets cancelled. Fixed a little typo  |
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Posted: 11/15/2021 7:01:48 PM EDT
[#39]
Apparently, it's called the Raptor. I can't stand this guy's channel, but this popped up in my feed.
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Posted: 11/15/2021 7:20:19 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JAG2955: Apparently, it's called the Raptor. I can't stand this guy's channel, but this popped up in my feed. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/356105/D8B1F299-3A14-47BD-9EE2-DC35F07A185A_png-2168080.JPG Only one version of it. |
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Posted: 11/15/2021 7:41:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By coregon: Only one version of it. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By coregon: Originally Posted By JAG2955: Apparently, it's called the Raptor. I can't stand this guy's channel, but this popped up in my feed. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/356105/D8B1F299-3A14-47BD-9EE2-DC35F07A185A_png-2168080.JPG Only one version of it. So, if Santa has a budget of $3k, will he need more money, and will a Spear of some variety arrive in my stocking on time? 
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Posted: 11/15/2021 8:02:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JAG2955: I figured just the Rattler equivalent. So, if Santa has a budget of $3k, will he need more money, and will a Spear of some variety arrive in my stocking on time? For it to be available in time for your stocking, more monies. |
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Posted: 11/15/2021 9:20:23 PM EDT
[#43]
As long as it's there.
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Posted: 11/20/2021 11:26:25 AM EDT
[#44]
More Spear video:
 NGSW Spear 6.8mm Full Interview with Expert |
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Posted: 11/23/2021 3:37:18 PM EDT
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Worst article I've read yet.
https://nationalinterest.org/blog/reboot/mcx-spear-sig-sauers-entry-replace-m249-squad-automatic-weapon-196665 Obviously the author has no firearm experience. |
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USA
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Posted: 11/24/2021 12:41:29 AM EDT
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Article written November 20th but has such gems such as: “The military will be selecting one of the three companies by October of 2021.”
Reading the article gave me a headache. |
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Posted: 11/24/2021 6:38:09 PM EDT
[#47]
I need the Spear in 6.8 to pair with my SCAR 17
I prefer side charging handles so I am glad to see SIG incorporated both a side charger and t-handle on the Spear. Options for everyone! Can't wait for it to come out. |
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Posted: 11/27/2021 8:18:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zeebz: I need the Spear in 6.8 to pair with my SCAR 17 I prefer side charging handles so I am glad to see SIG incorporated both a side charger and t-handle on the Spear. Options for everyone! Can't wait for it to come out. That's the thing. It's just well thought out by people who actually shoot. Even stuff like the side charging 'locking' in the folded position so it doesn't snag on gear. You can tell a lot of thought went into this. I usually don't get too caught up in hype for new guns. But this one I'm excited about. |
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ID, USA
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Posted: 11/28/2021 2:30:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HALFNATTYGAINZ: That's the thing. It's just well thought out by people who actually shoot. Even stuff like the side charging 'locking' in the folded position so it doesn't snag on gear. You can tell a lot of thought went into this. I usually don't get too caught up in hype for new guns. But this one I'm excited about. Part of me was hoping that in the final version of the Spear that the rear T charging handle would be deleted as it's now superfluous with the side charger and is just another avenue for gas to escape into the users face while shooting suppressed. |
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Posted: 11/28/2021 2:47:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lordhuck: Part of me was hoping that in the final version of the Spear that the rear T charging handle would be deleted as it's now superfluous with the side charger and is just another avenue for gas to escape into the users face while shooting suppressed. Nah, if you design the charging handle in the right manner you won't even notice the gas escaping through there. |
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