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Posted: 10/3/2020 9:34:44 PM EDT
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If I have the question, or title phrased wrong, let me know. I'm not the biggest of rifle guys, more of a handgun guy. Intitial plan was pin and weld the suppressor, then I decided that'd be dumb.
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Posted: 10/3/2020 9:39:10 PM EDT
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So I'm clear, the primary purpose of this muzzle device would be a thread protector when you don't have the can on?
If that's the case I'd just use an A2 birdcage. No need to go hunting for maximum performance if you're going to be removing it offen. |
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Posted: 10/3/2020 9:41:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So I'm clear, the primary purpose of this muzzle device would be a thread protector when you don't have the can on? If that's the case I'd just use an A2 birdcage. No need to go hunting for maximum performance if you're going to be removing it offen. This. |
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Posted: 10/3/2020 10:07:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So I'm clear, the primary purpose of this muzzle device would be a thread protector when you don't have the can on? If that's the case I'd just use an A2 birdcage. No need to go hunting for maximum performance if you're going to be removing it offen. I was thinking the answer would be keep it simple. Thread protection is the basic interest. What if I want to make a fireball if not shooting suppressed? Noveske Flash Pig? Thanks! |
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Posted: 10/3/2020 11:25:51 PM EDT
[#5]
Vortex. Easy on off, hides flash well.
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Posted: 10/3/2020 11:28:58 PM EDT
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I’ve used A1 and YHM Phantom birdcage flash hiders in that role. I hate screwing with crush washers or shims if I don’t have to.
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Posted: 10/3/2020 11:37:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I’ve used A1 and YHM Phantom birdcage flash hiders in that role. I hate screwing with crush washers or shims if I don’t have to. Any particular ones you'd recommend? I'd like to avoid crush washers and shims as well. KISS The rifle itself is a XM177 kind of clone. I'm undoing the pinned and welded flash hider, and then threading on suppressor. birdcage should be just fine to keep on the gun when it's not got the suppressor on, but a fireball without suppressor could be better. Go flame, or go pew. 
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Posted: 10/4/2020 12:02:41 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/4/2020 12:46:11 AM EDT
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I wouldn’t plan on any hand tightened muzzle device (besides special systems designed for that) to remain securely attached to a barrel. There’s a reason most muzzle devices have a torque spec that’s well above what you’ll be capable of producing without any tools. Believe me, I tried this when direct threading a can on my .300BLK AR and occasionally swapping it out for an AAC 3 prong FH.
Also, your ports are very likely going to be way off center with the A2 if not using a crush washer or an appropriate amount of shims. I understand that you’re just wanting a simple solution here but the honest answer is there really isn’t one when looking to swap around a DT can. Get yourself a reaction rod type device and plan on using at least a little bit of torque when installing/uninstalling your “thread protector” muzzle device. |
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Posted: 10/4/2020 1:12:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Vortex. Easy on off, hides flash well. This here. |
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Posted: 10/4/2020 3:25:55 AM EDT
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An A1 will also work. No need to time it.
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Posted: 10/4/2020 9:52:07 AM EDT
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I’d recommend an A1 birdcage over the A2, because the A2 needs to be timed, so you need to use shims or a crush washer to get it to time properly. Think a much better option is the Smith Vortex because the twist in the tines uses the blast to apply force in the tighten direction, which should keep it on even if only hand tight.
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Posted: 10/4/2020 10:54:16 AM EDT
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I previously replied but it was on my mobile device and I didn't have time to type out a well informed reply. From my own personal experience with a 5.56 in 10.5", I can say the A2 is going to have SIGNIFICANTLY more flash than the Smith Vortex, so if flash suppression is at all paramount, please spend the extra money on the Vortex. If not, the A1 will suit you fine.
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Posted: 10/4/2020 11:00:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I’d recommend an A1 birdcage over the A2, because the A2 needs to be timed, so you need to use shims or a crush washer to get it to time properly. Think a much better option is the Smith Vortex because the twist in the tines uses the blast to apply force in the tighten direction, which should keep it on even if only hand tight. I think I'd like this one. Any idea if a Halo-T work with it? I can't find that Halo-compatible list we used to have. |
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Posted: 10/4/2020 11:03:21 AM EDT
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Excellent advice guys!
Thank you very much! |
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Posted: 10/4/2020 7:42:12 PM EDT
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I think I bought the A1s from JSE surplus. The Phantom FHs came from CDNN. A screwdriver through the slots puts enough torque to keep in place and needs similar tool to remove.
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Posted: 10/4/2020 7:56:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think I bought the A1s from JSE surplus. The Phantom FHs came from CDNN. A screwdriver through the slots puts enough torque to keep in place and needs similar tool to remove. A1 sounds like what I'm after, simple, basic, and will look cleaner than just a thread protector. |
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Posted: 10/4/2020 8:51:42 PM EDT
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I’ve hand-tightened A1 birdcage flash hiders with the correct split lock washer many times, and have never had one loosen even a little.
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Posted: 10/7/2020 12:10:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Vortex. Easy on off, hides flash well. This is what I use. They are supposedly self-tightening. |
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Posted: 11/10/2020 1:47:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This is what I use. They are supposedly self-tightening. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Vortex. Easy on off, hides flash well. This is what I use. They are supposedly self-tightening. I do the same thing on a 10.5 223wylde chambered SBR ,works very well. |
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Posted: 1/15/2021 11:58:03 PM EDT
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