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Posted: 7/15/2024 8:46:32 AM EDT
[Last Edit: delemorte]
Picked up a WF bern 1911 from 1915.
This is a purpose built gun vs a 96/11 conversion. I picked up a bayonet which I thought was the correct one but it doesn't fit.. it looks like it should but the mount is slightly too small and yh barrel mount slightly too tight. Any suggestions on what I should be looking for since apparently I'm doing this wrong?  Attached File Attached File Attached File Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 7/15/2024 5:21:22 PM EDT
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Let me see the blade. You probably have the 1918 style bayonet.
Look for one with a forged bump/bar in the fuller. I believe that's the correct one, without checking. |
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Posted: 7/15/2024 5:22:50 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/15/2024 6:25:35 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/15/2024 6:25:45 PM EDT
[Last Edit: delemorte]
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Quote HistoryI've read that a bit ago and still confused... |
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Posted: 7/15/2024 7:07:45 PM EDT
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I think that one should fit. I would:
-put the muzzle ring around the muzzle to see if it fits at all. Check it for roundness and dents. If you can have calipers, check the inside diameter. -clean the hell out of the bayonet lug track in the handle. I have had many bayonets that would not fit on the first try, until I cleaned out years of grime. |
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Posted: 7/16/2024 8:12:05 AM EDT
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I had a similar issue with my 96/11 and the bayonet I bought for it. I found that by loosening the front band a bit that the bayonet would fit fine. Something about the band being super tight was causing something to be out of alignment.
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Posted: 7/16/2024 8:04:29 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/17/2024 9:44:51 AM EDT
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I need to find one as well for my k31
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Posted: 7/18/2024 11:33:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TOTHEMAX: I need to find one as well for my k31 If you can find me one for a 1911 and if this one fits yours, then this one is yours for a link to a proper bayo and ill cover shipping. |
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Posted: 7/18/2024 1:13:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By delemorte: If you can find me one for a 1911 and if this one fits yours, then this one is yours for a link to a proper bayo and ill cover shipping. @jag2955 Will this fit my k31? |
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Posted: 7/18/2024 6:22:32 PM EDT
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I just checked my 1899 bayonet, which looks just like yours. The muzzle ring diameter is 15mm. I'm not sure why yours is different. Originally Posted By TOTHEMAX: @jag2955 Will this fit my k31? <-definitely doesn't know everything. |
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Posted: 7/18/2024 9:49:41 PM EDT
[Last Edit: JAG2955]
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@delemorte
I should have checked here before I responded. You may have a slight rarity. Look closely under a light for a bushing. https://worldbayonets.com/Bayonet_Identification_Guide/Switzerland/switzerland_2.html |
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Posted: 7/18/2024 9:55:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JAG2955: @delemorte I should have checked here before I responded. You may have a slight rarity. Look closely under a light for a bushing. https://worldbayonets.com/Bayonet_Identification_Guide/Switzerland/switzerland_2.html First, thanks for all the help. Really appreciate it. Can you expound on what you mean by rarity? Like it's meant for a different rifle. And those bayonets are pretty common. You think just picking up another resolves my immediate issue? If so Simpsons has a stack of them and I can ask my contact over there to insure it's dimensions. |
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Posted: 7/18/2024 11:06:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By delemorte: First, thanks for all the help. Really appreciate it. Can you expound on what you mean by rarity? Like it's meant for a different rifle. And those bayonets are pretty common. You think just picking up another resolves my immediate issue? If so Simpsons has a stack of them and I can ask my contact over there to insure it's dimensions. I'd try to find another one, it sounds like you just got (un)lucky. |
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Posted: 7/19/2024 8:10:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JAG2955: No, that it's bushed. If you read the worldbayonets link, it says that a small number of the 1899s have a bushing. I'd try to find another one, it sounds like you just got (un)lucky. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JAG2955: Originally Posted By delemorte: First, thanks for all the help. Really appreciate it. Can you expound on what you mean by rarity? Like it's meant for a different rifle. And those bayonets are pretty common. You think just picking up another resolves my immediate issue? If so Simpsons has a stack of them and I can ask my contact over there to insure it's dimensions. I'd try to find another one, it sounds like you just got (un)lucky. boooo..... But thanks for the help man. Ill reach out to simpsons to see if they can measure the dimensions and get me a new one. I really appreciate the information. |
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Posted: 7/19/2024 8:20:41 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Curmudgeon762]
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Something is off about that bayonet you posted. The fuller looks off, almost like it was re-cut. Same with the stamp on the ricasso. I am wondering if the blade was “enhanced” by someone in Afghanistan to make it more attractive to GIs. I brought a ton back with me and early in the war they were unmolested. But it didnt take long for the local nationals to start adding “sawbacks” and incorrect marking to the stuff they had: They noticed what guys bought first and just wanted to make more. Someday I’ll start a thread with pictures of my bring backs
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Posted: 7/19/2024 10:15:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Curmudgeon762: Something is off about that bayonet you posted. The fuller looks off, almost like it was re-cut. Same with the stamp on the ricasso. I am wondering if the blade was “enhanced” by someone in Afghanistan to make it more attractive to GIs. I brought a ton back with me and early in the war they were unmolested. But it didnt take long for the local nationals to start adding “sawbacks” and incorrect marking to the stuff they had: They noticed what guys bought first and just wanted to make more. Someday I’ll start a thread with pictures of my bring backs I guess its always possible its been modified but i dont think so. Ive got some cut 03 bayonets and its pretty obvious how they are modified. But F if i know for certain. This was imported through Simpsons from Switzerland but who knows for certain. Ive got them going through their stack of them to find me one that actually fits. |
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Posted: 7/19/2024 10:49:39 AM EDT
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 Here is an example of what happened to a lot of bayonets in Afghanistan |
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Posted: 7/19/2024 10:50:44 AM EDT
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 Both stamp and sawback was added. |
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Posted: 7/19/2024 10:55:02 AM EDT
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 Just a quick pick of the top of the pile |
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Posted: 7/23/2024 2:44:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Curmudgeon762: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/563702/image-3271023.jpg Both stamp and sawback was added. Ick.. |
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Posted: 7/24/2024 7:57:21 AM EDT
[Last Edit: delemorte]
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Should have my replacement today.. fingers crossed..
I did get some new accessories though.. I got to have all the extra stuff. Interesting charger's  Attached File Attached File Attached File Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 7/24/2024 8:37:11 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Curmudgeon762]
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Wow!
Do you do anything to treat older leather like that? |
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Posted: 7/24/2024 10:08:07 AM EDT
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I need to 3D print some chargers. I know the files exist.
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Posted: 7/24/2024 11:32:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JAG2955: I need to 3D print some chargers. I know the files exist. Originals are like 20 bucks a pop Leather was shipped like that. But leather conditioner can help bring back super dry leather. When I get home I'll show you what my 1917 holster looks like after getting some conditioner. Not sure I have a before picture but it was dry AF. |
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Posted: 7/24/2024 12:26:05 PM EDT
[Last Edit: delemorte]
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This is a holster for a smith 1917, stamped 1918. when I got it, it was so dry and cracked I was scared to even attempt to holster the gun for fear I'd crack it further.
This is after hitting nit with conditioner. You can still see the cracks but it was neglected for so long you can barely make out the U.S. stamp on the face. But at least now it's soft enough to holster and hopefully slowed down the deteriorating.  Attached File Attached File Attached FileWhat I used.  Attached File |
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Posted: 7/24/2024 12:44:38 PM EDT
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Use a good grease like Pecard's, Obenauf's, or the one Varusteleka offers and give it plenty of time to soak all the way into the leather. It will probably take a couple coats. That holster will last another hundred years.
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Posted: 7/24/2024 1:11:26 PM EDT
[Last Edit: delemorte]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JAG2955: I need to 3D print some chargers. I know the files exist. I saw that. I got some decent PETG-CF loaded and running a job now. I may take a break from the next part and run a few of these. https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:2723825#google_vignette https://www.stlfinder.com/model/swiss-k31-charger-clip-v2-2-1RXZwPMd/1698676/ |
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Posted: 7/24/2024 1:11:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lew: Use a good grease like Pecard's, Obenauf's, or the one Varusteleka offers and give it plenty of time to soak all the way into the leather. It will probably take a couple coats. That holster will last another hundred years. Gracias. Ill go throw some in my Amazon cart. |
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Posted: 7/24/2024 2:09:16 PM EDT
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While im waiting for the UPS man with my pointy bit.
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Posted: 7/24/2024 4:22:43 PM EDT
[Last Edit: delemorte]
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Posted: 7/24/2024 5:45:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lew: Use a good grease like Pecard's, Obenauf's, or the one Varusteleka offers and give it plenty of time to soak all the way into the leather. It will probably take a couple coats. That holster will last another hundred years. Which Pecards? There appear to be several formulas |
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Posted: 7/25/2024 12:29:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Curmudgeon762: Which Pecards? There appear to be several formulas Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Curmudgeon762: Originally Posted By lew: Use a good grease like Pecard's, Obenauf's, or the one Varusteleka offers and give it plenty of time to soak all the way into the leather. It will probably take a couple coats. That holster will last another hundred years. Which Pecards? There appear to be several formulas Leather Dressing OP: Awesome work on those clips! |
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Posted: 7/25/2024 2:51:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryThanks. I’ll give it a go. |
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Posted: 7/25/2024 4:38:17 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/25/2024 4:38:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryI need to try some different material. Petg is a little brittle.. |
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Posted: 7/26/2024 6:45:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Curmudgeon762: Thanks. I’ll give it a go. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Curmudgeon762: Thanks. I’ll give it a go. Got some in. It works great.... |
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Posted: 7/27/2024 5:30:13 PM EDT
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Thank you @delemorte
The bayonet fit perfectly. 
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Posted: 7/27/2024 5:49:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TOTHEMAX: Thank you @delemorte The bayonet fit perfectly. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/136887/1000005824-3278537.jpg BAM.. It was meant to be. |
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Posted: 7/28/2024 12:17:23 PM EDT
[Last Edit: delemorte]
[#40]
@lew
@tothemax The previous clips were pretty brittle and the orientation put the layers on a pressure point, so the tabs would break. I rotated the model and switched to a more springy material. Either of you guys want to try one? I'll mail ya a sample you can try in your rifle.  July 28, 2024 Pla-cf  Attached File |
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Posted: 7/28/2024 4:00:55 PM EDT
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I appreciate the offer and would love to be able to assist, but I sold my K31 a couple years ago. Good luck!
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Posted: 7/28/2024 4:19:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By delemorte: @lew @tothemax The previous clips were pretty brittle and the orientation put the layers on a pressure point, so the tabs would break. I rotated the model and switched to a more springy material. Either of you guys want to try one? I'll mail ya a sample you can try in your rifle.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjhXGHaFXoEPla-cf https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/127073/1000008783_jpg-3279185.JPG Dang those look awesome. You make them? |
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Posted: 7/29/2024 8:00:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TOTHEMAX: Dang those look awesome. You make them? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TOTHEMAX: Originally Posted By delemorte: @lew @tothemax The previous clips were pretty brittle and the orientation put the layers on a pressure point, so the tabs would break. I rotated the model and switched to a more springy material. Either of you guys want to try one? I'll mail ya a sample you can try in your rifle. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjhXGHaFXoEPla-cf https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/127073/1000008783_jpg-3279185.JPG Dang those look awesome. You make them? Yes sir. If you want to try them out ill put a few in the mail. |
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