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FL, USA
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Posted: 8/3/2024 7:38:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Embittered: Gotdam that’s a heavy bitch. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Embittered: Originally Posted By MK3110: About 0.925” OD 2.5” from the muzzle. Looks like its just under 0.900” from the muzzle to the collar. Gotdam that’s a heavy bitch. Rifle’s only 16lbs with optic, bipod, and can. |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 8/3/2024 12:41:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Scott: Depends. You cloning US or French SPRs? Where are the details on the French version of a MK12? |
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SC, USA
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Posted: 8/3/2024 5:06:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Eyekahn: Where are the details on the French version of a MK12? There's a picture of a rifle with the B&T can at the bottom of this article. Looks like a Centurion rail. Not sure if this is the French configuration or not. https://www.guns.com/news/2024/01/31/b-and-t-new-suppressor-lineup |
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Posted: 8/3/2024 5:06:48 PM EDT
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I've been looking and haven't been able to find the actual specs but if I can come up with it, I'll post it.
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SC, USA
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Posted: 8/3/2024 5:15:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SchlaffTablett: I've been looking and haven't been able to find the actual specs but if I can come up with it, I'll post it. Here's a quote from Centurion's product page: "Apparently, during GWOT, one of the European NATO allies procured a small batch of MK12 uppers from the United States but didn’t buy the ops inc suppressors the American forces were using. They went to Brugger and Thomet, a European suppressor manufacturer, and had them made." |
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Posted: 8/3/2024 10:56:33 PM EDT
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Hopefully someone can guide me on this. Would like to assemble a Gordon carbine upper. Trying to either find someone that can make the barrel or point in the right direction. I can put the rest together just like to get the barrel done properly.
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Posted: 8/3/2024 11:02:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By metalsaber: Hopefully someone can guide me on this. Would like to assemble a Gordon carbine upper. Trying to either find someone that can make the barrel or point in the right direction. I can put the rest together just like to get the barrel done properly. Are you using an AEM5 or M4 can? AE sells the 3-piece collar deals with different inner diameters for barrels. I think they even make version to work with 12.5 and 12.7 barrels now if you’re using an AEM5. For OPs anything these days. I’d either use ADCO or Alleghany. |
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Posted: 8/3/2024 11:07:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Subpar: Are you using an AEM5 or M4 can? AE sells the 3-piece collar deals with different inner diameters for barrels. I think they even make version to work with 12.5 and 12.7 barrels now if you're using an AEM5. For OPs anything these days. I'd either use ADCO or Alleghany. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Subpar: Originally Posted By metalsaber: Hopefully someone can guide me on this. Would like to assemble a Gordon carbine upper. Trying to either find someone that can make the barrel or point in the right direction. I can put the rest together just like to get the barrel done properly. Are you using an AEM5 or M4 can? AE sells the 3-piece collar deals with different inner diameters for barrels. I think they even make version to work with 12.5 and 12.7 barrels now if you're using an AEM5. For OPs anything these days. I'd either use ADCO or Alleghany. |
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Posted: 8/4/2024 12:03:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By metalsaber: While the aem5 would be convenient I think I'll be going with an m4 can. I used a Colt 14.5” for mine. Sent it to Ron and he fit a 3 piece collar and sent it back. Didn’t require profiling or anything. If you have accurate calipers you could probably just measure and call Ron to turn you a collar if he’s still doing that kind of work. |
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Posted: 8/4/2024 8:07:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By metalsaber: Hopefully someone can guide me on this. Would like to assemble a Gordon carbine upper. Trying to either find someone that can make the barrel or point in the right direction. I can put the rest together just like to get the barrel done properly. Here’s some light reading on the subject  Somali Build Thread |
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Posted: 8/4/2024 8:18:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryOriginally Posted By towerofpower94: Originally Posted By metalsaber: Hopefully someone can guide me on this. Would like to assemble a Gordon carbine upper. Trying to either find someone that can make the barrel or point in the right direction. I can put the rest together just like to get the barrel done properly. Here's some light reading on the subject Somali Build Thread |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 8/4/2024 8:23:28 AM EDT
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I have a Vietnam retro 16 with 20” pencil barrel. Anyone have pictures of one with aem5 setup and how you did it? I want to or would like to keep 20”. My options of what I’m thinking.
1. Keep pencil barrel get a collar. Is this possible or does barrel need cutting? Which collar is needed if barrel does or doesn’t have to be cut. 2. 20” “regular” barrel and get profiled for spr/aem setup. Ya i think it would look cool with that gap between FSP and suppressor. 3. First, what it shortest barrel length you can go with FSP? If I got an 18” Douglas which is already set up for spr/aem profile. Will that work? Bummer a quality barrel like that I can’t get in 20” |
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Posted: 8/4/2024 9:23:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Subpar: I used a Colt 14.5” for mine. Sent it to Ron and he fit a 3 piece collar and sent it back. Didn’t require profiling or anything. If you have accurate calipers you could probably just measure and call Ron to turn you a collar if he’s still doing that kind of work. I did the same. Sent the 14.5” upper to Ron who fitted the collar to the M4 can I bought before it shipped to my dealer.  Attached File |
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Posted: 8/4/2024 7:27:10 PM EDT
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What’s the best light/light mount for a Gordon? Without getting into high dollar clone correct territory.
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Posted: 8/4/2024 8:00:47 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Rothperson87]
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Originally Posted By SaturationTech: What’s the best light/light mount for a Gordon? Without getting into high dollar clone correct territory. Electrical tape or an inner tube |
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Posted: 8/4/2024 9:32:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SaturationTech: What’s the best light/light mount for a Gordon? Without getting into high dollar clone correct territory. Check this thread for answers. |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 8/5/2024 10:44:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Scott: Depends. You cloning US or French SPRs? Good question, based on what I'm hearing here I wanted to clone a MK12 Mod0 so it looks like the AE is the way to go. |
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Posted: 8/6/2024 3:59:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Redhead45: I have a Vietnam retro 16 with 20” pencil barrel. Anyone have pictures of one with aem5 setup and how you did it? I want to or would like to keep 20”. My options of what I’m thinking. 1. Keep pencil barrel get a collar. Is this possible or does barrel need cutting? Which collar is needed if barrel does or doesn’t have to be cut. 2. 20” “regular” barrel and get profiled for spr/aem setup. Ya i think it would look cool with that gap between FSP and suppressor. 3. First, what it shortest barrel length you can go with FSP? If I got an 18” Douglas which is already set up for spr/aem profile. Will that work? Bummer a quality barrel like that I can’t get in 20” 1. If you want to use a two piece collar set up, yes it would need trimmed as there is nothing to shoulder the collar against. 2. That is totally doable on a .750" barrel using a custom collar. The barrel would need turned down a bit from the collar forward but it's absolutely doable. 3. Completely depends on the can and gas tube length. You need about 2.6" forward of the FSB for an A series mount, 2.1" for a B series, and around 5" for an M4. |
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Posted: 8/6/2024 4:04:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By metalsaber: Hopefully someone can guide me on this. Would like to assemble a Gordon carbine upper. Trying to either find someone that can make the barrel or point in the right direction. I can put the rest together just like to get the barrel done properly. Use a 14.5" M4 barrel. That is more than likely what the original was and it's the most straightforward to get the 3 piece collar mounted up for. |
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Posted: 8/6/2024 4:07:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SchlaffTablett: Use a 14.5" M4 barrel. That is more than likely what the original was and it's the most straightforward to get the 3 piece collar mounted up for. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SchlaffTablett: Originally Posted By metalsaber: Hopefully someone can guide me on this. Would like to assemble a Gordon carbine upper. Trying to either find someone that can make the barrel or point in the right direction. I can put the rest together just like to get the barrel done properly. Use a 14.5" M4 barrel. That is more than likely what the original was and it's the most straightforward to get the 3 piece collar mounted up for. |
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Posted: 8/6/2024 4:43:59 PM EDT
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As long as you have the AE M4 can.
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Posted: 8/6/2024 9:15:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SaturationTech: As long as you have the AE M4 can. |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 8/8/2024 6:51:01 AM EDT
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Does anyone still make custom length collars? I was planning to buy an AEM3 or 4 and purchased a long collar along with a spacer from ADCO that would allow me to properly run an AEM3/4 on the gun. However, the barrel just arrived (SOLGW Precision 16" barrel that I was told from a 3rd party had the correct step placement), and the step is located 2.2" past the muzzle. To my understanding, that makes it about .15" too long of a distance to run an AEM2/3/4, and .35" too short to run an AEM5. Any ideas short of having the barrel re-profiled? Ideally, I think I'd prefer a custom collar to run the AEM2/3/4 spec cans. Thanks!
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Posted: 8/8/2024 7:26:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By StevethePirate: Does anyone still make custom length collars? I was planning to buy an AEM3 or 4 and purchased a long collar along with a spacer from ADCO that would allow me to properly run an AEM3/4 on the gun. However, the barrel just arrived (SOLGW Precision 16" barrel that I was told from a 3rd party had the correct step placement), and the step is located 2.2" past the muzzle. To my understanding, that makes it about .15" too long of a distance to run an AEM2/3/4, and .35" too short to run an AEM5. Any ideas short of having the barrel re-profiled? Ideally, I think I'd prefer a custom collar to run the AEM2/3/4 spec cans. Thanks! https://adcofirearms.com/shop/gunsmithing/contouring/contour-allen-engineering-collar/ |
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Posted: 8/8/2024 5:09:41 PM EDT
[Last Edit: DackJaniels]
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 Big shoutout to Allegheny Arms for putting together this upper! Everything fits together perfectly and I can work the switchblock easily. Hoping to shoot it this weekend |
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Posted: 8/9/2024 10:20:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By metalsaber: Hopefully someone can guide me on this. Would like to assemble a Gordon carbine upper. Trying to either find someone that can make the barrel or point in the right direction. I can put the rest together just like to get the barrel done properly. I'd trust ADCO since they've been doing this for a long time. Allegheny Arms is also doing them Dave Wilson did them for a while but I think he's not taking barrel work for AE suppressors right now. |
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TN, USA
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Posted: 8/9/2024 11:12:37 AM EDT
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Otter Creek makes their gordon collar that is meant to work with a standard 12.5” barrel, and it saves a ton of headache, and you should be fine to do it without paying a gunsmith.
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Posted: 8/9/2024 11:39:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By hydrostatic_cling: Otter Creek makes their gordon collar that is meant to work with a standard 12.5” barrel, and it saves a ton of headache, and you should be fine to do it without paying a gunsmith. Boooooo. |
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TN, USA
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Posted: 8/9/2024 12:18:01 PM EDT
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Boo what? They make excellent stuff.
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Posted: 8/9/2024 3:20:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By hydrostatic_cling: Boo what? They make excellent stuff. Douche comes in pretty bottles too. |
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Posted: 8/9/2024 3:39:06 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/9/2024 3:42:38 PM EDT
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Purses fly!
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NC, USA
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Posted: 8/9/2024 3:59:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By hydrostatic_cling: Otter Creek makes their gordon collar that is meant to work with a standard 12.5” barrel, and it saves a ton of headache, and you should be fine to do it without paying a gunsmith. You are new here so you get a pass. Otter creek isn't a name that sits well with most. There is a HUGE reason Otter Creek is not in the title of this thread. Best just keep that name out of here. |
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Posted: 8/9/2024 7:20:48 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/9/2024 8:34:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 5pt56: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/473775/6287-3290232.jpg When 12th models were so cool they didn't even need to say 12th model on them. 
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Posted: 8/9/2024 9:13:27 PM EDT
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That's amazing! Thanks for sharing!
 Not a 12th model but as close as I can get to matching your pic and similar markings.  
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Posted: 8/9/2024 9:16:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bigbore: When 12th models were so cool they didn't even need to say 12th model on them. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/12678/20240809_203142-3290307.jpg Word!  |
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Posted: 8/9/2024 9:24:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 5pt56: That's amazing! Thanks for sharing! Not a 12th model but as close as I can get to matching your pic and similar markings. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/473775/6293-3290354.jpghttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/473775/6289-3290355.jpg This is probably the rarest Shingletown model. 
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Posted: 8/9/2024 9:28:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bigbore: This is probably the rarest Shingletown model. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/12678/20240809_203618-3290371.jpg Yeah that is top shelf right there!!! |
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Posted: 8/10/2024 6:44:31 AM EDT
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Just confirming but will this work for the AEM4 suppressor?
https://www.thoroughbredarmco.com/product/369/14-5-colt-gov-profile-barrel-c-mp-marked-new-old-stock |
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Posted: 8/10/2024 8:25:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By metalsaber: Just confirming but will this work for the AEM4 suppressor? https://www.thoroughbredarmco.com/product/369/14-5-colt-gov-profile-barrel-c-mp-marked-new-old-stock I believe so. Just have to send it to Ron to have it contoured/cleaned up and have the collar added. |
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Posted: 8/10/2024 9:27:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By metalsaber: Just confirming but will this work for the AEM4 suppressor? https://www.thoroughbredarmco.com/product/369/14-5-colt-gov-profile-barrel-c-mp-marked-new-old-stock Yes for the AE M4, no for the AEM4. |
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Posted: 8/10/2024 10:13:44 AM EDT
[Last Edit: towerofpower94]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheTacticalCoyote: Yes for the AE M4, no for the AEM4. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheTacticalCoyote: Originally Posted By metalsaber: Just confirming but will this work for the AEM4 suppressor? https://www.thoroughbredarmco.com/product/369/14-5-colt-gov-profile-barrel-c-mp-marked-new-old-stock Yes for the AE M4, no for the AEM4. Good catch. I thought MetalSaber has been talking about the M4/Gordon can/builds. |
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CA, USA
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Posted: 8/10/2024 10:36:45 AM EDT
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The rarest are the ones with the Shingletown 2 line stamping and a hand stamped serial number.
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Posted: 8/10/2024 10:47:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By k31user: The rarest are the ones with the Shingletown 2 line stamping and a hand stamped serial number. How many 12th .30 cals did you make with the shingleton address? This is my earliest Browns Valley  |
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Posted: 8/10/2024 10:50:23 AM EDT
[Last Edit: metalsaber]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By towerofpower94: Good catch. I thought MetalSaber has been talking about the M4/Gordon can/builds. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By towerofpower94: Originally Posted By TheTacticalCoyote: Originally Posted By metalsaber: Just confirming but will this work for the AEM4 suppressor? https://www.thoroughbredarmco.com/product/369/14-5-colt-gov-profile-barrel-c-mp-marked-new-old-stock Yes for the AE M4, no for the AEM4. Good catch. I thought MetalSaber has been talking about the M4/Gordon can/builds. |
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CA, USA
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Posted: 8/10/2024 12:18:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By metalsaber: Thanks for the catch on this guys. Since I need an M4, I'll likely just go the 12.5" route since I have an AEM5. Saves a little money. Trajectory has short 3 piece collars for the 12.5/AEM5 if you are going for the Gordon clone look. |
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Posted: 8/10/2024 12:53:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By k31user: Trajectory has short 3 piece collars for the 12.5/AEM5 if you are going for the Gordon clone look. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By k31user: Originally Posted By metalsaber: Thanks for the catch on this guys. Since I need an M4, I'll likely just go the 12.5" route since I have an AEM5. Saves a little money. Trajectory has short 3 piece collars for the 12.5/AEM5 if you are going for the Gordon clone look. |
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Posted: 8/10/2024 3:12:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By metalsaber: Thanks for the catch on this guys. Since I need an M4, I'll likely just go the 12.5" route since I have an AEM5. Saves a little money. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By metalsaber: Originally Posted By towerofpower94: Originally Posted By TheTacticalCoyote: Originally Posted By metalsaber: Just confirming but will this work for the AEM4 suppressor? https://www.thoroughbredarmco.com/product/369/14-5-colt-gov-profile-barrel-c-mp-marked-new-old-stock Yes for the AE M4, no for the AEM4. Good catch. I thought MetalSaber has been talking about the M4/Gordon can/builds. Sweet. Post pics when it’s done 
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SC, USA
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Posted: 8/10/2024 11:29:49 PM EDT
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What rifle length barrel would allow me to use the Gordon collar for the AEM5? 18"?
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