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Posted: 7/20/2024 3:46:56 PM EDT
I had my M249S out and figured I'd take some pics of the internals. I have one of the first 1000 M249S's made from the initial release. I never sent it back for the recall work, so it has the nicer trigger and the slide hammer is different from what you'd get now. I've had people ask for pics, so I figured I'd take a few this time. Ignore the Minimi parts - was messing with them.
It's worthy of note that the bolt, carrier and hammer are not blued/melonited like the newer ones.   |
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Posted: 7/21/2024 2:28:00 PM EDT
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Neat! I was always interested in that “update”.
That’s my grail gun. I think it’s cool you decided to keep it in the OG configuration. I hope you can shoot it enough to buy a new barrel. |
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Posted: 7/22/2024 1:18:41 AM EDT
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Thanks for posting these!
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Posted: 7/22/2024 1:24:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KitBuilder: Thanks for posting these! Here's a thread on FN forums where we were discussing the recall work a while ago... I need to get the dimensions of the pre-recall parts for him. https://www.fnforum.net/threads/m249s-recall-info-question.229320/page-3?post_id=1603514#post-1603514 |
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USA
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Posted: 7/23/2024 6:40:08 PM EDT
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Have many of these gone to manufacturers to bypass purchasing Title II weapons direct from FN?
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Posted: 7/23/2024 7:26:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FADALdude: Have many of these gone to manufacturers to bypass purchasing Title II weapons direct from FN? The current production version is just as good (for that purpose). I’ve seen a few people talk about welding up the earlier parts, for a conversion, but never actually seen one (or pics of one) that was converted that way. |
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USA
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Posted: 7/26/2024 9:49:10 PM EDT
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Thanks for posting. Curious about the approximate round count on this…
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Posted: 7/26/2024 11:48:44 PM EDT
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If you're asking about my 249S that's pictured - not many. Less than 500. I have another semi auto 249 in MK46 Mod 2 config, so I don't shoot this one very much.
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USA
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Posted: 7/27/2024 12:01:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jtb33: If you're asking about my 249S that's pictured - not many. Less than 500. I have another semi auto 249 in MK46 Mod 2 config, so I don't shoot this one very much. Makes sense. Is the Mod 2 furniture currently available somewhere? |
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Posted: 7/27/2024 12:30:58 AM EDT
[Last Edit: jtb33]
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The one pictured on FN's web site? Unlikely.
The MK46 Mod 2 is really just a lightened version of the M249. The furniture is different on all of them; many use the standard clubfoot stock. They use different handguards and heat shields depending upon the barrel they are using. The main permanent differences are that it doesn't have the ability to use STANAG magazines and doesn't have the forward hard-mount to put it on a tripod or pintle. Here's my MK46 Mod 2 - note that mine also uses an HK lower on it.     And when you compare it with an actual M249S, you can see the differences:  |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 7/27/2024 8:38:29 AM EDT
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What makes the 1st gens better? I saw a video that shows the trigger assembly was modified for "safety". I'm seriously thinking of buying the Para model. Why is it more than the standard? The retractable stock?
If I buy the standard, how much to buy the bbl and stock? Break even or cheaper? If I decide to finally go the NFA route, how difficult will it be for parts/assembly? I really, really want one of these and might even consider selling a few guns for it. Something I never thought I would do, lol. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 7/27/2024 8:41:22 AM EDT
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Beautiful.
I'm looking at this one: https://fnamerica.com/products/rifles/fn-m249s-para/ |
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Posted: 7/27/2024 9:29:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By raygixxer89: What makes the 1st gens better? I saw a video that shows the trigger assembly was modified for "safety". I'm seriously thinking of buying the Para model. Why is it more than the standard? The retractable stock? If I buy the standard, how much to buy the bbl and stock? Break even or cheaper? If I decide to finally go the NFA route, how difficult will it be for parts/assembly? I really, really want one of these and might even consider selling a few guns for it. Something I never thought I would do, lol. The gen 1 guns that didn’t have recall work done have a much lighter trigger. The 2nd generation and recall guns have triggers in the 15 plus pound range whereas gen 1 are around 6 - 8 lb range. Supposedly the recall had more to do with ease of full auto conversion vs. “safety” issues. You’re going to have to search google and gunbroker for price of parts to see what version of the gun makes most sense to you, but you can easily change out barrels and stocks if you change your mind later on. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 7/27/2024 10:09:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Wespe: The gen 1 guns that didn’t have recall work done have a much lighter trigger. The 2nd generation and recall guns have triggers in the 15 plus pound range whereas gen 1 are around 6 - 8 lb range. Supposedly the recall had more to do with ease of full auto conversion vs. “safety” issues. You’re going to have to search google and gunbroker for price of parts to see what version of the gun makes most sense to you, but you can easily change out barrels and stocks if you change your mind later on. Thank you. I read some other threads and also saw a bolt carrier group on gun broer that is serialized for full auto. So if I buy the gun and then do the paperwork for th FA, will the gun need to be destroyed after I;m gone (provided I go the Individual route), or just the bolt carrier? Pardon my questions, but if OP prefers, I can move this to the NFA forum. This and an MP5 are the only full-autos that I would be interested in ownning. |
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Posted: 7/27/2024 10:29:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By raygixxer89: Thank you. I read some other threads and also saw a bolt carrier group on gun broer that is serialized for full auto. So if I buy the gun and then do the paperwork for th FA, will the gun need to be destroyed after I;m gone (provided I go the Individual route), or just the bolt carrier? Pardon my questions, but if OP prefers, I can move this to the NFA forum. This and an MP5 are the only full-autos that I would be interested in ownning. The only other way to legally own a full auto M249 is to buy one of the very few pre-86 transferrables. In fact, I think there is only one out there and it's well into the six-figures. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 7/27/2024 10:54:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jtb33: Just to clarify, the only way to make an M249S into full auto is to be a Type 7 FFL with a Type 2 SOT. The only other way to legally own a full auto M249 is to buy one of the very few pre-86 transferrables. In fact, I think there is only one out there and it's well into the six-figures. This was my plan,to get the type 2 SOT. Might just get a lawyer to do th legwork for me. How difficult is it to get? |
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Posted: 7/27/2024 11:07:06 AM EDT
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No idea - but I do know that you can't just get one because you want a FA M249. You have to have a legitimate business to get it approved and your location needs to be zoned properly. That's a question that's more appropriate for the FFL forum though.
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TX, USA
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Posted: 7/27/2024 11:22:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jtb33: No idea - but I do know that you can't just get one because you want a FA M249. You have to have a legitimate business to get it approved and your location needs to be zoned properly. That's a question that's more appropriate for the FFL forum though. Dang. Thanks for the info. Not sure that I want to get all involved with a business and other hoops. I might still just get one to add to the collection. They just look so cool. |
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USA
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Posted: 7/27/2024 12:24:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By raygixxer89: Dang. Thanks for the info. Not sure that I want to get all involved with a business and other hoops. I might still just get one to add to the collection. They just look so cool. Don't be discouraged if you want an FFL. It's certainly do-able if you are able to have a "manufacturing" business at your residence or property in your locality. The biggest hurdle is always making sure you comply with all the business rules for your state/city/county. But once you have those taken care of, FFL's are essentially shall-issue. |
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Posted: 7/27/2024 12:27:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jtb33: The one pictured on FN's web site? Unlikely. The MK46 Mod 2 is really just a lightened version of the M249. The furniture is different on all of them; many use the standard clubfoot stock. They use different handguards and heat shields depending upon the barrel they are using. The main permanent differences are that it doesn't have the ability to use STANAG magazines and doesn't have the forward hard-mount to put it on a tripod or pintle. Here's mine - note that mine also uses an HK lower on it. https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51839384308_de277a4c77_k.jpg https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51839267991_c74d433677_k.jpg https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51797145623_1a308094c4_k.jpg And when you compare it with an actual M249S, you can see the differences: https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51944874887_6fdc8394f5_k.jpg I really dig your Mk46! I've seen photos of it before and I stupidly passed up the opportunity to get a kit-built one on sturm with an HK trigger pack on sturm a few months ago. Was yours a kit build, too? |
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Posted: 7/27/2024 12:44:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Flevvy: Don't be discouraged if you want an FFL. It's certainly do-able if you are able to have a "manufacturing" business at your residence or property in your locality. The biggest hurdle is always making sure you comply with all the business rules for your state/city/county. But once you have those taken care of, FFL's are essentially shall-issue. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Flevvy: Originally Posted By raygixxer89: Dang. Thanks for the info. Not sure that I want to get all involved with a business and other hoops. I might still just get one to add to the collection. They just look so cool. Don't be discouraged if you want an FFL. It's certainly do-able if you are able to have a "manufacturing" business at your residence or property in your locality. The biggest hurdle is always making sure you comply with all the business rules for your state/city/county. But once you have those taken care of, FFL's are essentially shall-issue. I was contemplating getting an LLC for another matter. I wonder if this will help. |
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Posted: 7/27/2024 12:48:59 PM EDT
[Last Edit: jtb33]
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Ok, time to take the FFL discussion elsewhere to some other topic rather than further derailing this one.
Getting this back on track, I've posted additional pics of the original internals. https://www.fnforum.net/threads/m249s-recall-info-question.229320/page-4 You'll have to ignore the German Shepherd hair on some of the parts.              |
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GA, USA
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Posted: 7/27/2024 12:52:32 PM EDT
[Last Edit: FNGfromGA]
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I have M249S Para that I have never fired, nor have I sent I back for the “recall”.. I do need to take it out some time , but really don’t see the necessity of the recall unless I want to strengthen my right index finger with the new and crappy trigger pull.
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Posted: 7/27/2024 12:54:31 PM EDT
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Great thread!
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TX, USA
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Posted: 7/27/2024 1:39:00 PM EDT
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Damn, those are some great pics. Solid machine work on that steel.
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OR, USA
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Posted: Yesterday 1:34:24 PM EDT
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Just got my 249s in last night, new from the factory so I expected post-recall, and got post-recall parts. working with a guy trying to design a super safety
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