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Review: 100 round 9mm Case Gauges (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 5/15/2023 5:38:07 PM EDT
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This was an expensive adventure so I figured I's share my experiences with the group. Background: I load 9mm. LOTS of 9mm. One of my favorite rounds to shoot. During a loading session, I'll do a full spec-check once every 15-20 rounds. Round gets gauged, primer seating checked, and mic'd out for OAL. Post loading, I roll the rounds on a towel to knock off the excess lube and then check all the primers to make sure none are standing proud. Eventually I found that my CZ pistols are picky, and some rounds just wouldn't chamber in that series of firearms. My goal then became to ensure all rounds I make would pass gauge, or at least be sorted so I knew which ones were on the high end of spec so I could grab the right stuff to shoot accordingly. Solving the Problem: Given this scenario, I began hand-gauging every round in my LE Wilson single-round gauge. Time consuming, and I'd rather be spending my time elsewhere! So I decided to give the 100 round case gauge a try. They're not cheap, that's for sure, but it would very quickly save me enough time to pay for itself. Picking a gauge: Honestly, it was a craps shoot. There are two "big" names for the 100 round 9mm case gauge: Shockbottle and Armanov. When I was originally researching, I went with the general consensus that I found - Shockbottle. Nothing specific guided me one over the other than the Shockbottle is US made, whereas the Armanov is made in Eastern Europe (Romania?) LE Wilson Single-Round Gauge: - Does a single round (aka: time consuming) - Cut to the very tightest end of 9mm spec - Anything that passes this gauge has shot out of any gun I've run it through, including my CZ pistols - Super high quality - $30 price point Shockbottle 100rd Gauge Assessment: - well built, billet aluminum - tolerance is on the LOOSE end of the 9mm spec - this means rounds that "failed" the Wilson gauge quite frequently "passed" on this gauge - $110 price point - summary: failed for my needs - NOTE: RegionRat has noted below that I likely have the "regular" Shockbottle gauge, but they also have a "supermatch" gauge that I was not aware of. These results would likely differ when using that tighter-spec gauge. (Thank you for that callout!) So that led me to pop back online and buy the Armanov gauge as I read that it was tighter spec-wise. Armanov 100rd Gauge Assessment: - well built, billet aluminum - tolerance is indeed on the TIGHTER end of the 9mm spec - Correctly failed rounds that had previously "passed" in the Shockbottle gauge - near-perfectly matches the pass/fail rate of the LE Wilson gauge which is awesome - all rounds that passed the Armanov gauge also pass the plunk test for CZ firearms (woo hoo!) - $140 price point - summary: absolutely the product I needed to do what I wanted - can also purchase other accessories to go with the gauge, pic below Additional Learnings: - Not only does the 100 round gauge allow me to quickly gauge every single round - It also lets me feel/detect any high primers much faster as well since they're all lined up in the block - It is definitely worth the extra $20 to get the Armanov case gauge loading tool from their site (if you look it up you'll see what I mean.) - None of the gauges discriminate by grain weight of the bullet (I tested both 115gr and 147gr), it's all about how tight a given round is to the 9mm spec Summary: In summary, if you're looking for a 100 round gauge to tackle 9mm ammo, I highly recommend the Armanov gauge. Photos Below: NOTE: There are (3) 9mm rounds in the images below. "all black" = fails all three gauges "black dot" = passes only in the Shockbottle gauge "no black" = passes all three gauges L.E. Wilson Case Gauge   Shockbottle Gauge   Armanov Gauge   And this is the 3D printed case gauge loader from Armanov. Pretty slick!  |
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I'm similar to you, I was using a Wilson single gauge and needed a 100 to check all my 9mm ammo at a more reasonable rate. I bought the shockbottle and, like you, was a bit disappointed. It works 'fine' but agree it is on the looser end than I was expecting. I also have ammo passing the shockbottle that doesn't pass the wilson, including cracked cases that would never pass the wilson. I always wilson gauge my match ammo and find 1 or 2 out of 100 that don't pass the wilson perfectly that went through the hundo. Maybe I'll spring for the other brand and sell the hundo on the EE? |
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This is a quality thread Metonymy, as such I'm setting the archive toggle to keep this out of the archives. Well done. I do have one question, how do load this gauge? Pour rounds over gauge to load? |
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Note that there are two types of Shockbottle gages. One is the Large and the other the Supermatch. From the Shockbottle web site: Supermatch gauges are made to smaller dimensions than our regular match-grade gauges, so they will reject more ammunition to ensure any that does pass will fit even the tightest SAAMI-spec chambers. The Large Chamber gauges are reamed larger than our standard match gauges and designed for large-chambered pistols where a regular gauge rejects too much ammunition. So which gage was used in the OP's trial? Large Chamber or Supermatch? Dryflash3, yes you only need to pour the bullets over the tool and they naturally fill the holes. It takes very little effort. https://www.shockbottle.com/product-page/9x19-100-round-case-gauges |
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Originally Posted By Metonymy: This was an expensive adventure so I figured I's share my experiences with the group. Background: I load 9mm. LOTS of 9mm. One of my favorite rounds to shoot. During a loading session, I'll do a full spec-check once every 15-20 rounds. Round gets gauged, primer seating checked, and mic'd out for OAL. Post loading, I roll the rounds on a towel to knock off the excess lube and then check all the primers to make sure none are standing proud. Eventually I found that my CZ pistols are picky, and some rounds just wouldn't chamber in that series of firearms. My goal then became to ensure all rounds I make would pass gauge, or at least be sorted so I knew which ones were on the high end of spec so I could grab the right stuff to shoot accordingly. Solving the Problem: Given this scenario, I began hand-gauging every round in my LE Wilson single-round gauge. Time consuming, and I'd rather be spending my time elsewhere! So I decided to give the 100 round case gauge a try. They're not cheap, that's for sure, but it would very quickly save me enough time to pay for itself. Picking a gauge: Honestly, it was a craps shoot. There are two "big" names for the 100 round 9mm case gauge: Shockbottle and Armanov. When I was originally researching, I went with the general consensus that I found - Shockbottle. Nothing specific guided me one over the other than the Shockbottle is US made, whereas the Armanov is made in Eastern Europe (Romania?) LE Wilson Single-Round Gauge: - Does a single round (aka: time consuming) - Cut to the very tightest end of 9mm spec - Anything that passes this gauge has shot out of any gun I've run it through, including my CZ pistols - Super high quality - $30 price point Shockbottle 100rd Gauge Assessment: - well built, billet aluminum - tolerance is on the LOOSE end of the 9mm spec - this means rounds that "failed" the Wilson gauge quite frequently "passed" on this gauge - $110 price point - summary: failed for my needs So that led me to pop back online and buy the Armanov gauge as I read that it was tighter spec-wise. Armanov 100rd Gauge Assessment: - well built, billet aluminum - tolerance is indeed on the TIGHTER end of the 9mm spec - Correctly failed rounds that has previously "passed" in the Shockbottle gauge - matches the pass/fail rate of the LE Wilson gauge which is awesome - all rounds that passed the Armanov gauge also pass the plunk test for CZ firearms (woo hoo!) - $140 price point - summary: absolutely the product I needed to do what I wanted Additional Learnings: - Not only does the 100 round gauge allow me to quickly gauge every single round - It also lets me feel/detect any high primers much faster as well since they're all lined up in the block - It is definitely worth the extra $20 to get the Armanov case gauge loading tool from their site (if you look it up you'll see what I mean.) - None of the gauges discriminate by grain weight of the bullet (I tested both 115gr and 147gr), it's all about how tight a given round is to the 9mm spec Summary: In summary, if you're looking for a 100 round gauge to tackle 9mm ammo, I highly recommend the Armanov gauge. [NOTE: Pics coming later, need to take/upload some!] I posted a thread about the Armanov gauge a while back and I got a ton of comments that case gaging every round was a waste of time. I disagree and use it as part of my final QC before I box them up. Attached File Attached File The expandable rifle case gauge are phenomenal as well. I have 30rd case gauges for my 223 and 300blk and gauge every round of those as well. |
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Originally Posted By RegionRat: Note that there are two types of Shockbottle gages. One is the Large and the other the Supermatch. From the Shockbottle web site: Supermatch gauges are made to smaller dimensions than our regular match-grade gauges, so they will reject more ammunition to ensure any that does pass will fit even the tightest SAAMI-spec chambers. The Large Chamber gauges are reamed larger than our standard match gauges and designed for large-chambered pistols where a regular gauge rejects too much ammunition. So which gage was used in the OP's trial? Large Chamber or Supermatch? Dryflash3, yes you only need to pour the bullets over the tool and they naturally fill the holes. It takes very little effort. https://www.shockbottle.com/product-page/9x19-100-round-case-gauges |
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Originally Posted By dryflash3: This is a quality thread Metonymy, as such I'm setting the archive toggle to keep this out of the archives. Well done. I do have one question, how do load this gauge? Pour rounds over gauge to load? @dryflash3 Armanov makes a 3D printed loader as an accessory. Supposedly you just throw cases in there and shake and they will load themselves. I've never felt the need to buy it though since the gauge on y takes a few seconds to load anyways. If you just drop 10-15 on top and move then around with your hand most will fall into place. Attached File |
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Originally Posted By drfroglegs: @dryflash3 Armanov makes a 3D printed loader as an accessory. Supposedly you just throw cases in there and shake and they will load themselves. I've never felt the need to buy it though since the gauge on y takes a few minutes to load anyways. If you just drop 10-15 on top and move then around with your hand most will fall into place. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/322543/Screenshot_20230516_075629_Chrome_jpg-2818389.JPG |
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Originally Posted By dryflash3: This is a quality thread Metonymy, as such I'm setting the archive toggle to keep this out of the archives. Well done. I do have one question, how do load this gauge? Pour rounds over gauge to load? Yep, that's it! It's not 100% perfect, but it makes loading the gauge pretty quick. Just finished taking photos to add to the post. Will have them uploaded momentarily. |
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Originally Posted By RegionRat: Note that there are two types of Shockbottle gages. One is the Large and the other the Supermatch. From the Shockbottle web site: Supermatch gauges are made to smaller dimensions than our regular match-grade gauges, so they will reject more ammunition to ensure any that does pass will fit even the tightest SAAMI-spec chambers. The Large Chamber gauges are reamed larger than our standard match gauges and designed for large-chambered pistols where a regular gauge rejects too much ammunition. So which gage was used in the OP's trial? Large Chamber or Supermatch? Dryflash3, yes you only need to pour the bullets over the tool and they naturally fill the holes. It takes very little effort. https://www.shockbottle.com/product-page/9x19-100-round-case-gauges This is SUPER interesting. I purchased my Shockbottle gauge form Ben Stoeger's shop and there was not a "supermatch" option available when I purchased. https://benstoegerproshop.com/100-hole-9mm-luger-hundo-chamber-checker-cartridge-case-gauge-anodized-black/ As such, it appears my testing with Shockbottle was on their "normal" gauge. It is quite possible their "supermatch" version would have met my needs, but I was not aware such a thing existed. Thank you for sharing this! I edited my OP to include this differentiation note. |
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Adding one more separate pic about the Armanov setup since it's not specific to the case gauge comparison. Armanov also offers accessories, such as the OAL checker (clear plastic part) and a case-marking setup (colored pen and silver slotted cover). They ship the gauge with a cleaning wipe and a top cover inside the black folding case which is a nice added touch. 
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Originally Posted By drfroglegs: I posted a thread about the Armanov gauge a while back and I got a ton of comments that case gaging every round was a waste of time. I disagree and use it as part of my final QC before I box them up. Originally Posted By drfroglegs: I posted a thread about the Armanov gauge a while back and I got a ton of comments that case gaging every round was a waste of time. I disagree and use it as part of my final QC before I box them up. Absolutely. It's made my process for checking primers MUCH faster, and I now have confidence that all the ammo I'm running will fit in my CZ chambers (else they get set aside into a different ammo can). The expandable rifle case gauge are phenomenal as well. I have 30rd case gauges for my 223 and 300blk and gauge every round of those as well. I'll likely end up buying some rifle gauges to do this same thing, namely the .223 gauge. |
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Originally Posted By Metonymy: Adding one more separate pic about the Armanov setup since it's not specific to the case gauge comparison. Armanov also offers accessories, such as the OAL checker (clear plastic part) and a case-marking setup (colored pen and silver slotted cover). They ship the gauge with a cleaning wipe and a top cover inside the black folding case which is a nice added touch. https://i.imgur.com/MPFyAeV.jpg I've been meaning to 3D print a case marker! Thanks for the reminder! I use sharpies to help me keep track of how many times I've fire the case for my rifles. I just use it for case identification in pistol cases. Attached File I 3d printed some guides for my rifle case holders, you can see the black line on each of the bases. I know based on my sharpie labels that all of these cases are once fired. Once I shoot them, I'll know they're twice fired and next loading they will get a brown mark. Attached File |
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Been loading 9mm on the 1050, and I case gauge every round. Last 1k batch was the final straw, ordered the Armanov and the feeder attachment. Found this thread during a search for 100 round case gauges, and I realized I set the archive toggle on this thread. That keep this thread out of the archives. Turns out that helped me. Good job self. |
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You are going to appreciate the Armanov tool both ways. One is for the primary purpose of gaging your ammo. The second is boxing it into 100 round boxes. I can scoop the ammo a row of ten at a time with the magazine loader and it makes loading the mags a breeze too. |
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Originally Posted By RegionRat: You are going to appreciate the Armanov tool both ways. One is for the primary purpose of gaging your ammo. The second is boxing it into 100 round boxes. I can scoop the ammo a row of ten at a time with the magazine loader and it makes loading the mags a breeze too. I look forward to "speed gauging" with the 100 rd gauge/block. |
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I have these 50 and 100rd case gauges in a few different calibers. I have found that there are some of the holes that are a little tighter than the rest and some that are a little looser. If I fill the thing up and a round doesn't want to go down into the hole, I'll pick it out and try it in one of the holes I know to be a tad more forgiving. If it doesn't fit in that hole, it goes in the bin I use for me uzi rounds. That gun is not picky and it'll eat anything. I also use it to count the rounds. My press is automated and spitting out rounds. I pick them up and put them in the gauge. When I fill it up with 100 rounds, I dump that into an ammo tin and click on my hand held clicker. Repeat till the clicker says 10, and thats 1000 rounds. Close up the ammo tin and start on the next one. Periodically I have to clean the gauge out while the press runs. If any powder gets onto the outside of the lubed cases, the powder will eventually make it into the gauge, which makes it start rejecting rounds. I take it over and hose it off in the sink. |
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Originally Posted By drfroglegs: I posted a thread about the Armanov gauge a while back and I got a ton of comments that case gaging every round was a waste of time. I disagree and use it as part of my final QC before I box them up. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/322543/20200722_200914_jpg-2818229.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/322543/20200722_200930_jpg-2818231.JPG The expandable rifle case gauge are phenomenal as well. I have 30rd case gauges for my 223 and 300blk and gauge every round of those as well. These 2 rounds case gaged fine. They should be inspected visually as well.  
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Originally Posted By carcrazysammy: These 2 rounds case gaged fine. They should be inspected visually as well. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/109231/1000004676-3424052.jpghttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/109231/1000004674-3424051.jpg Originally Posted By carcrazysammy: Originally Posted By drfroglegs: I posted a thread about the Armanov gauge a while back and I got a ton of comments that case gaging every round was a waste of time. I disagree and use it as part of my final QC before I box them up. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/322543/20200722_200914_jpg-2818229.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/322543/20200722_200930_jpg-2818231.JPG The expandable rifle case gauge are phenomenal as well. I have 30rd case gauges for my 223 and 300blk and gauge every round of those as well. These 2 rounds case gaged fine. They should be inspected visually as well. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/109231/1000004676-3424052.jpghttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/109231/1000004674-3424051.jpg But what stuck out to this part time woodworker was the Red Oak plywood top of your bench. Red Oak being one of my favorite wood species to work with.  Even if's just plywood faced. |
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Great post, I bought a 9mm Shockbottle Hundo from Ben Stoeger Pro Shop a few years ago and had had great results with it. Much faster than individually testing. I shoot mostly Glocks, M&P’s, Sigs and some PCC’s. All typical plastic trash guns and no fancy CZ’s that tend to have tighter tolerances. So far so good. |
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Like other said, nice writeup and thanks for sharing! I just bought some stuff on Armonov and looked at their 100 case 9mm gauge but man it is spendy. Going to watch to see if they do any sales or holiday sales and maybe then pick one up. I gotta say for being in Slovania (wherever the hell that is) they got my stuff to me via UPS in 2 days! Gotta say I am impressed with their shipping time! |
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Originally Posted By Metonymy: This was an expensive adventure so I figured I's share my experiences with the group. Background: I load 9mm. LOTS of 9mm. One of my favorite rounds to shoot. During a loading session, I'll do a full spec-check once every 15-20 rounds. Round gets gauged, primer seating checked, and mic'd out for OAL. Post loading, I roll the rounds on a towel to knock off the excess lube and then check all the primers to make sure none are standing proud. Eventually I found that my CZ pistols are picky, and some rounds just wouldn't chamber in that series of firearms. My goal then became to ensure all rounds I make would pass gauge, or at least be sorted so I knew which ones were on the high end of spec so I could grab the right stuff to shoot accordingly. Solving the Problem: Given this scenario, I began hand-gauging every round in my LE Wilson single-round gauge. Time consuming, and I'd rather be spending my time elsewhere! So I decided to give the 100 round case gauge a try. They're not cheap, that's for sure, but it would very quickly save me enough time to pay for itself. Picking a gauge: Honestly, it was a craps shoot. There are two "big" names for the 100 round 9mm case gauge: Shockbottle and Armanov. When I was originally researching, I went with the general consensus that I found - Shockbottle. Nothing specific guided me one over the other than the Shockbottle is US made, whereas the Armanov is made in Eastern Europe (Romania?) LE Wilson Single-Round Gauge: - Does a single round (aka: time consuming) - Cut to the very tightest end of 9mm spec - Anything that passes this gauge has shot out of any gun I've run it through, including my CZ pistols - Super high quality - $30 price point Shockbottle 100rd Gauge Assessment: - well built, billet aluminum - tolerance is on the LOOSE end of the 9mm spec - this means rounds that "failed" the Wilson gauge quite frequently "passed" on this gauge - $110 price point - summary: failed for my needs - NOTE: RegionRat has noted below that I likely have the "regular" Shockbottle gauge, but they also have a "supermatch" gauge that I was not aware of. These results would likely differ when using that tighter-spec gauge. (Thank you for that callout!) So that led me to pop back online and buy the Armanov gauge as I read that it was tighter spec-wise. Armanov 100rd Gauge Assessment: - well built, billet aluminum - tolerance is indeed on the TIGHTER end of the 9mm spec - Correctly failed rounds that had previously "passed" in the Shockbottle gauge - near-perfectly matches the pass/fail rate of the LE Wilson gauge which is awesome - all rounds that passed the Armanov gauge also pass the plunk test for CZ firearms (woo hoo!) - $140 price point - summary: absolutely the product I needed to do what I wanted - can also purchase other accessories to go with the gauge, pic below Additional Learnings: - Not only does the 100 round gauge allow me to quickly gauge every single round - It also lets me feel/detect any high primers much faster as well since they're all lined up in the block - It is definitely worth the extra $20 to get the Armanov case gauge loading tool from their site (if you look it up you'll see what I mean.) - None of the gauges discriminate by grain weight of the bullet (I tested both 115gr and 147gr), it's all about how tight a given round is to the 9mm spec Summary: In summary, if you're looking for a 100 round gauge to tackle 9mm ammo, I highly recommend the Armanov gauge. Photos Below: NOTE: There are (3) 9mm rounds in the images below. "all black" = fails all three gauges "black dot" = passes only in the Shockbottle gauge "no black" = passes all three gauges L.E. Wilson Case Gauge https://i.imgur.com/jnoSHIm.jpg https://i.imgur.com/AXzuKCr.jpg Shockbottle Gauge https://i.imgur.com/VIScyi9.jpg https://i.imgur.com/Fjn2dqi.jpg Armanov Gauge https://i.imgur.com/7P92xUu.jpg https://i.imgur.com/mWyJ634.jpg And this is the 3D printed case gauge loader from Armanov. Pretty slick! https://i.imgur.com/WgmDW6i.jpg Excellent writeup/review! We really need a like button on this forum. If you fast forward to the 6 minute and 10 second mark in this video, you can watch Gavin shake the rounds with that doodad into the 100 round block:  Armanov Ammo Checkers A-Z Then he uses the adapter to flip the rounds into a 100 round plastic flip lid box. He also uses the stencil to stripe the headstamps. Pretty slick! |
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Originally Posted By WeimaranerDad: Excellent writeup/review! We really need a like button on this forum. Open first post of thread, look to the right and click on Rate. Choose Epic, close as it gets. When 10 votes have acuminated, Epic will show next to the post title. As an example in Team, thread "Adventures of the Arfcom Yacht" is rated Epic. |
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Originally Posted By dryflash3: We kinda sorta do. Open first post of thread, look to the right and click on Rate. Choose Epic, close as it gets. When 10 votes have acuminated, Epic will show next to the post title. As an example in Team, thread "Adventures of the Arfcom Yacht" is rated Epic. DONE! Thank you sir! |
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Originally Posted By WeimaranerDad: DONE! Thank you sir! Originally Posted By WeimaranerDad: Originally Posted By dryflash3: We kinda sorta do. Open first post of thread, look to the right and click on Rate. Choose Epic, close as it gets. When 10 votes have acuminated, Epic will show next to the post title. As an example in Team, thread "Adventures of the Arfcom Yacht" is rated Epic. DONE! Thank you sir! Eight more to go..... |
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My Armanov case gauge came in, I also got the feeder that goes with it. Works slick, I love it. This was another part of the rabbit hole that a 1050 brings with it. Great packaging, stickers, and a small package of candy included. 
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Originally Posted By dryflash3: My Armanov case gauge came in, I also got the feeder that goes with it. Works slick, I love it. This was another part of the rabbit hole that a 1050 brings with it. Great packaging, stickers, and a small package of candy included. If your machine (and dies) is/are adjusted properly - Why would you need or want to check every single round? |
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Originally Posted By Aaron56: If your machine (and dies) is/are adjusted properly - Why would you need or want to check every single round? Even with all the dies set up perfectly it’s still easy to run into problems. Split cases, primers didn’t seat deep enough or maybe sideways or even upside down. Bullets could be deformed or damaged, maybe the case bulged oddly because of a biwall or whatever designe or thickness it’s made, maybe the crimp isn’t enough and it’s still flared, maybe there’s too much crimp that deformed the round. There’s countless reasons to check your ammo. Especially since you typically don’t handle and inspect every round like you do with rifle ammo throughout that process of case prep. Each step you do allows you to check the cases to ensure it’s sized, trimmed, deburred, Swaged etc and can still get screw up. This is just an added safety step that allows you to inspect your ammo from multiple angles. |
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Originally Posted By Aaron56: If your machine (and dies) is/are adjusted properly - Why would you need or want to check every single round? Let’s say you are at the highest levels of USPSA (and to a lesser extent Steel Challenge and IDPA) and you are a sponsored shooter or you’re looking to get sponsored, one jam in a major match is enough to knock you down from first place/high overall down to say 5th place or 10th place. Using a case gauge is cheap insurance compared to say: Gasoline to drive back and forth to major match Or airline tickets back and forth Hotel expenses at major match Food/meals out at major match The match entry fees Taking off work to attend major match And of course…. Those sweet instagram videos of your stages where your gun ran 100%. |
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Originally Posted By Hoser: I cant remember what brand gauge it was, but the gauge had straight walls where the 9x19 is a tapered case. I checked it with a pin gauge, sure enough a .393 pin went all the way in. That is reason #942 why I hate mass produced case gauges. Could it have been “the Hundo” from Stoeger’s Pro Shop? |
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Originally Posted By WeimaranerDad: Could it have been “the Hundo” from Stoeger’s Pro Shop? Even though some people like them and swear by them, I dont see myself buying one when I have the actual chamber at my finger tips. |
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Originally Posted By Aaron56: If your machine (and dies) is/are adjusted properly - Why would you need or want to check every single round? Originally Posted By Aaron56: If your machine (and dies) is/are adjusted properly - Why would you need or want to check every single round? Essentially because not all brass is created equal; there are still legit failures even when your machine is set up as perfectly as possible. One thing I do; I've noticed that the vast majority of my "failures" (rounds that won't free fall all the way into the gauge) are actually due to a slight burr on the rim. 99% of the time, that is the issue instead of something on the case body. I flip the round over, and if the case head will not start into the gauge, slight ding in the rim is almost certainly the issue and I throw those in the practice pile. If they do start easily going in casehead first after not dropping in the proper way, I know something else is legitimately wrong, and that one gets pulled and the case discarded. Stepped cases with heavy bullets, splits, or brass with generally thick dimensions through the center part of the case combined with any longer bullets/deeper seating can all cause center-body bulges, or dimensional issues near the case mouth that will jam your gun for sure. Could it have been “the Hundo” from Stoeger’s Pro Shop? Highly unlikely. |
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Originally Posted By Hoser: Nope. I am not a fan of Ben. I have never purchased a 100 round case gauge. Even though some people like them and swear by them, I dont see myself buying one when I have the actual chamber at my finger tips. I am not a fan of Ben either. I would never buy anything from his Pro Shop either. |
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Originally Posted By dryflash3: My Armanov case gauge came in, I also got the feeder that goes with it. Works slick, I love it. This was another part of the rabbit hole that a 1050 brings with it. Great packaging, stickers, and a small package of candy included. I was all set to buy their 4-1 bundles in: 9mm X 19 .40S&W .45 ACP and just the ammo checker in 10mm, but it looks like they ship only via UPS. And my card is tied to my PO Box. It would NOT allow the transaction to go through. Argghh…. Kinda aggravating. |
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Originally Posted By DVCNick: Essentially because not all brass is created equal; there are still legit failures even when your machine is set up as perfectly as possible. One thing I do; I've noticed that the vast majority of my "failures" (rounds that won't free fall all the way into the gauge) are actually due to a slight burr on the rim. 99% of the time, that is the issue instead of something on the case body. I flip the round over, and if the case head will not start into the gauge, slight ding in the rim is almost certainly the issue and I throw those in the practice pile. If they do start easily going in casehead first after not dropping in the proper way, I know something else is legitimately wrong, and that one gets pulled and the case discarded. Stepped cases with heavy bullets, splits, or brass with generally thick dimensions through the center part of the case combined with any longer bullets/deeper seating can all cause center-body bulges, or dimensional issues near the case mouth that will jam your gun for sure. Highly unlikely. It seemed like a lot of people over at BENOS were all ga ga eyed about the “hundo” about 5 to 10 years ago. Me? Between the EGW/Lee undersize dies in 9mm, .40S&W, and .45ACP , and…AND!!! the Lee factory crimp dies, I would only case gauge the first 5-10 rounds that came off the press at the start of a reloading session. And then maybe just the last 5 to 10 rounds at the end of a reloading session. |
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Originally Posted By WeimaranerDad: It seemed like a lot of people over at BENOS were all ga ga eyed about the “hundo” about 5 to 10 years ago. Me? Between the EGW/Lee undersize dies in 9mm, .40S&W, and .45ACP , and…AND!!! the Lee factory crimp dies, I would only case gauge the first 5-10 rounds that came off the press at the start of a reloading session. And then maybe just the last 5 to 10 rounds at the end of a reloading session. I'll say I don't gauge all my practice ammo, and pay for it with a jam occasionally, but if it is getting shot in match (any kind) with me, I'm gauging them all. And a 100rd is definitely the most efficient way to do that. If the hundo makes you sad, it sounds like the Armanov is just as good. I don't adjust the press between reloading sessions, so there is nothing special about the first or last set or rounds for me. If I get a failure, it is going to be from a random piece of brass. As far as the OP checking charge and OAL every 20? rounds? Oh hell no for me on that. I check that about every 1000 maybe if I'm being anal about it. Otherwise, set it and run till I need to change components. |
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Originally Posted By Aaron56: If your machine (and dies) is/are adjusted properly - Why would you need or want to check every single round? This is also where you check for high primers. Please tell me you at least do this. Out of 1k I normally see 5-10 cases that refuse to gauge, so I pull them down, salvage the components, and case goes into scrap brass bucket. I have "several" 9mm's and i want all my ammo to run in the tightest chamber. In my case CZ-85. And it's how I roll. After 40+ years of reloading, I have a system that works for me. eta, Also my shooting buddies know I am one of the mods here. Any failure of my ammo is met with ridicule I like to avoid. |
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| Anyone with the Armanov know how it does with long loaded 9mm (1.165" OAL)? I am using this EGW gauge for 9mm major: https://egwguns.com/case-gauge-ammo-checker-9mm-major-7-hole I have modified single case gauges in the past with a drill bit to enlarge the throat for long loaded 9mm and .40 S&W (back when I shot limited). I don't think I want to do that with a 100 rd checker. |
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Originally Posted By Brian_h: Anyone with the Armanov know how it does with long loaded 9mm (1.165" OAL)? I am using this EGW gauge for 9mm major: https://egwguns.com/case-gauge-ammo-checker-9mm-major-7-hole I have modified single case gauges in the past with a drill bit to enlarge the throat for long loaded 9mm and .40 S&W (back when I shot limited). I don't think I want to do that with a 100 rd checker. That would be a good question for the Brian Enos forums… Especially since it is 9mm Major. That’s very USPSA specific. |
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Originally Posted By WeimaranerDad: That would be a good question for the Brian Enos forums… Especially since it is 9mm Major. That’s very USPSA specific. I'm not too active over there, but I did find this thread, looks like it would be fine: https://forums.brianenos.com/topic/314802-ammo-checker/#comment-3458146 |
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