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Posted: 5/31/2022 12:23:26 AM EDT
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Does anyone here have a Ruger PC carbine one 40s&w? Opinions I see them still listed on their website but have never seen any for sale. |
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Ruger stopped making their PCCs in 40s&w in early 2022 as they didn't have the manpower to produce their more popular models in 9mm. In 2023 they dropped the .40 cal PCC from their catalogue completely. I have an original 1998 Police Carbine in .40s&w with a ghost ring rear sight on the rear of the receiver vs on the barrel. It's a lot of fun to shoot out to about 125 yds. With the 70% longer sight radius, it's surprisingly accurate. However, as is the case with all the high pressure, small cased calibers (9mm, .357sig, 40s&w, 10mm, 40 Super and 45 Super), ballistically they just die off out past about 100yds. I handload and make up full power loads in 155, 165, and 180grn ammo for my carbine and all are useful out to 100+ yds but not much use past 125 yds. As a HD piece where ranges are measured in feet, not yards, it's quite effective as it's much easier to fire accurately than a pistol and the longer barrel gives it about 200 fps more velocity with a corresponding increase in muzzle energy. With a light, they are quite effective for in home defense. |
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Originally Posted By BorderDave: I've fired the old version in .40 and it had a lot of recoil. It wasn't fun to shoot. I have a CMMG Banshee in .40 now, and it shoots great. That's the .40 that I recommend. For those of you who are recoil sensitive, try the 180 grn ammo as they have more of a push than a snap the lighter bullet ammo can produce. BTW, same holds true if you shoot 9mm+P level ammo because you'll also get that sharper snap rather than a push like the standard 9mm ammo. The reason why is that both rounds, 9mm & 40s&w, are SAAMI spec'd at 35,000 psi. The 40s&w's higher bullet weight produces the higher recoil, however, if you shoot the 9mm+P level loads you'll also get a more snappy recoil. The reason is that the 9mm+P is SAAMI spec'd at 38,500 psi (higher than even the 10mm at 37,500 psi) and the higher pressure produces the snappier recoil. While it true that the .40s&w has a bit more recoil than the smaller, lighter bullets the 9mm uses, it's hardly a lot of recoil. It's no where near what a .45acp has. And as I said, it's a push rather than a snap with the 180 grn bullets. I'm certainly no recoil junky as I'm 5'8", 170 lbs and 75 yrs old. Plus, I have arthritis in my shooting shoulder. But I can shoot hundreds of my 155 grn hottest loads all afternoon with no issues even with just a polo shirt on in this hot weather. |
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Originally Posted By COSteve: Ruger stopped making their PCCs in 40s&w in early 2022 as they didn't have the manpower to produce their more popular models in 9mm. In 2023 they dropped the .40 cal PCC from their catalogue completely. Well there goes any hope they would come out with a Glock .45acp model. |
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Originally Posted By COSteve: I also have an older 1998 PC in .40s&w. It's the version that looks very much like a 10/22. I also handload 155, 165, and 180 grn bullets in the upper power ranges to get the maximum performance out of the 40 cal round. The round recoils about like a .30 Carbine's recoil. More than the small 9mm but certainly not anything uncomfortable even with my hot 155 grn loads. For those of you who are recoil sensitive, try the 180 grn ammo as they have more of a push than a snap the lighter bullet ammo can produce. BTW, same holds true if you shoot 9mm+P level ammo because you'll also get that sharper snap rather than a push like the standard 9mm ammo. The reason why is that both rounds, 9mm & 40s&w, are SAAMI spec'd at 35,000 psi. The 40s&w's higher bullet weight produces the higher recoil, however, if you shoot the 9mm+P level loads you'll also get a more snappy recoil. The reason is that the 9mm+P is SAAMI spec'd at 38,500 psi (higher than even the 10mm at 37,500 psi) and the higher pressure produces the snappier recoil. While it true that the .40s&w has a bit more recoil than the smaller, lighter bullets the 9mm uses, it's hardly a lot of recoil. It's no where near what a .45acp has. And as I said, it's a push rather than a snap with the 180 grn bullets. I'm certainly no recoil junky as I'm 5'8", 170 lbs and 75 yrs old. Plus, I have arthritis in my shooting shoulder. But I can shoot hundreds of my 155 grn hottest loads all afternoon with no issues even with just a polo shirt on in this hot weather. This I can confirm. I have been shooting 45acp and 40 for years. The Glock30 (45) is really not enjoyable to shoot, comparing to 40 pistol in the same size. The 9+P is almost the same as 40, with the 9mm has slightly more recoil. |
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