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Posted: 6/8/2006 11:33:24 AM EDT
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PA, USA
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Posted: 6/14/2006 6:55:34 PM EDT
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OK....I've read 13 pages and my head is spinning: Going the trust route and have a few ?'s...
Do I need to submit a Citizenship form as the grantor of the trust? Do I just leave the second side of the Form 1 blank (no prints/signoff for trust)? |
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Posted: 6/14/2006 11:20:07 PM EDT
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Not sure if the info is identical for a trust vs. a corp so don't go on my word alone but.... For my corp I DO include a Citizenship form with my name on it as opposed to the corp name. I leave the sback side blank, in fact my dealer who prepares the forms doesn't even bother to print the second side. |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 6/15/2006 6:39:49 AM EDT
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thanks
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Posted: 6/23/2006 12:16:45 PM EDT
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Tag. Bigfeet |
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Posted: 6/30/2006 4:03:13 PM EDT
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I read the entire thread plus the instructions attached to form 1 and still have a couple of questions.
I plan on assembling an SBR from a stripped lower via the Corp. route. On form 1, item 4a., would I fill in the name and city, state of my Corp since the receiver was never a complete firearm? Secondly, on item 4g., the instructions indicate that I "create" a serial number and I was wondering if I can simply specify the existing serial number which would be 1 less thing to engrave? For instance: Acme Corp. Anywhere, SC thanks in advance |
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Posted: 6/30/2006 4:41:39 PM EDT
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If you had to fill out a Form 4473 when you purchased the lower, it is considered a firearm, even though it has never been assembled into a complete gun. So in 4a, put the name of the receiver's manufacturer. The only time you or your corp would be the manufacturer would be if you bought an unfinished receiver forging and completed the machining work yourself.
Yes, you can use the existing serial number. In fact, you are supposed to use it: See Part 2, item h of the BATF Form 1 instructions: "If an existing firearm is being modified into an NFA firearm, enter the existing serial number of the firearm into item 4g and the name and address of the original manufacturer into item 4a." |
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Posted: 6/30/2006 6:13:45 PM EDT
[Last Edit: buddyhoohaw]
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Thanks for the information Tony....most appreciated !
 One more question...should I place my C&R license number in block 5 (license is in my name and not my LLC)? Cheers |
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Posted: 6/30/2006 6:38:53 PM EDT
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I wouldn't. It's not required for a C&R licensee, it won't help in any way, and might actually confuse BATF (since the LLC, not you, is submitting the Form 1). 
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Posted: 6/30/2006 7:39:32 PM EDT
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Thanks again.....
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Posted: 7/2/2006 1:07:47 PM EDT
[Last Edit: metalsaber]
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Question:
I think I'm going to take the plunge and do an SBR. I filled out my Form1 and Citizen ship forms. The questions are: 1.) The 2 photographs, can they be the same photo or do they hav to be 2 different photos? If I take them myself, what type of quality do I have to achieve for them to be "acceptable", i.e do they just need head shot, how about lighting, etc? 2.) Photos, how should they be attached? Stapled? 2.) FBI Fingerprint Cards, will my local Sheriff have them? Thanks |
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Posted: 7/7/2006 12:15:05 PM EDT
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1.) The 2 photographs, can they be the same photo or do they hav to be 2 different photos? If I take them myself, what type of quality do I have to achieve for them to be "acceptable", i.e do they just need head shot, how about lighting, etc?
They should be the same. I think it is the same standard as a passport photo. Basic head shot, plain background. I took a digital photo of myself and put it in the online PDF format. Printed it right on the picture. It's pretty nice that way. 2.) Photos, how should they be attached? Stapled? I think people glue them on, 99 cent tube of stick glue. I printed mine, so I don't know for sure. 3.) FBI Fingerprint Cards, will my local Sheriff have them? Call and ask. If not, the atf will send them to you for free. ATF.gov has an online request. Had mine quickly. |
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Posted: 7/11/2006 10:59:10 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Quarterbore]
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It is really funny that U wrote this up 2 1/2 years ago and TONIGHT I am doing my paperwork for my 1st SBR...
 I am filling out paperwork to SBR a Vector UZI and one of my Bushmaster AR-15s. Kind of ironic... I see a number of the forums are out of date as well... I ll try to update this thread soon... |
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CO, USA
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Posted: 7/20/2006 2:26:24 PM EDT
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Sent my Form 1 in 3 weeks ago, called today because the check hadn't been cashed... The person at ATF said that it had been received 7/10, and had been forwarded to Chicago...
Chicago? I thought everything was done in DC and WV... Any thoughts? This is my first Form 1, and I used this thread as one of my sources of information... |
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Posted: 7/20/2006 3:03:24 PM EDT
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They send all checks to Chicago for deposit. Dont worry, all is well. In fact, IIRC form 1's are examined before the check is deposited. I could be wrong on this.
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CO, USA
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Posted: 7/20/2006 4:27:56 PM EDT
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I'm sure you're right... Just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean they AREN'T after me... ;-) I just sent in my second Form 1, so I'm hoping I didn't repeat any mistakes on both forms... I guess they won't have a problem telling me what's wrong... Thanks! |
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Posted: 8/17/2006 8:22:31 PM EDT
[Last Edit: buddyhoohaw]
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Has anybody had their paperwork held up because they forgot to include their corporation's "Articles of Incorporation" in the application packet?
I ask because I received a letter in the mail today from the ATF indicating that mine were missing and I had no idea that I needed to include them  ETA: I spoke with the secretary at the NFA Branch in WV and she advised me to fax her the articles followed by mailing the hard copies. ETAA: I received my stamp in the mail 2 days after faxing the articles of organization 
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Posted: 9/11/2006 1:53:24 PM EDT
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TX, USA
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Posted: 9/13/2006 5:00:46 AM EDT
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What are you guys putting down for reason?
I just ordered a pistol upper last night and want to apply for the SBR before I get the lower. |
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OK, USA
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Posted: 9/16/2006 7:00:15 PM EDT
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"All Lawful Purposes" That's what I put on my 4 that I have done in the past. Although I think you should put "Because I can, and it's cool." just to see if it makes any difference in the timeframe/result Rob |
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USA
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Posted: 9/17/2006 6:51:57 PM EDT
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"Collection and Investment" |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 9/20/2006 8:04:23 AM EDT
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if I buy a complete lower from say RRA will I still have to engrave it?
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Posted: 9/25/2006 11:29:45 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/25/2006 1:02:09 PM EDT
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Yes, with your name, city, ST. |
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Posted: 9/28/2006 11:33:07 AM EDT
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I want to have an SBR without having to engrave it which I understand means I have to buy a factory built SBR. But how do you buy a factory SBR so you do not have to engrave it without submitting the paperwork first? And if you have to submit the paperwork first then how do you know the serial number if you haven't purchased the firearm?
I am dizzy just thinking about it. I will be doing this the LLC route. TIA Seydou |
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IN, USA
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Posted: 9/30/2006 3:32:53 AM EDT
[Last Edit: L0CK_N_L0AD]
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Found the answers in the many pages of info. Thanks |
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Posted: 9/30/2006 9:22:14 PM EDT
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Seydou............ a factory SBR does not require engraving. You get the serial number from the source you are buying it from, and they transfer it to your local Class III FFL- and they to you The best advice I can give anyone think of a SBR is to contact a local (to you) Class III FFL, and let him get you through it. I did, and it saved me time, aggravation, and was worth the transfer fee 2x over. |
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Posted: 9/30/2006 11:14:08 PM EDT
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Seydou- another option is find a Class III who will register it for you. He'll engrave his logo on there and co. info.
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Posted: 10/27/2006 1:06:14 PM EDT
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WOW??????? I got mine back on 09-03-06 and it was approved with the <16" , <26" and "various" listed under Caliber. |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 11/10/2006 7:30:09 PM EDT
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man i got a headache from reading all this.
i was going to try and complete my forms and just use 7.5 inches and 25.5 inches for barrel and OAL respectively. It would probably get approved but since I don't even have an upper, waiting to do paper work first, i am worried about doing it this way even though that a 7.5" barrel and 25.5" OAL would be the shortest the rifle would be. any thoughts? |
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Posted: 11/11/2006 2:10:15 AM EDT
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honestly I wouldn't worry about it.
I've had no less than 5 different cops see mine and not one has asked to see the tax stamp. It's obviously an SBR since it has a 7.5" bbl. just put down the smallest bbl length you think you might use and go from there. |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 11/11/2006 3:07:05 PM EDT
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OK well I was going to order a bunch of fingerprint cards just incase my local PD or sheriff didn't have them but there are 4 listed at the atf.gov.
FBI FD-258FA FBI FD-258LE I am guessing that one of these is correct and the other is not. Anyone know? |
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Posted: 11/11/2006 3:19:33 PM EDT
[Last Edit: ar15inmn]
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FBI FD-258LE - NFA, Imports ORI WVATF0100 should be correct. Both of the above are the same cards with a different ORI. The new ORI is: WVATF0800 ATF-NFA BRANCH MARTINSBURG, WV This can be filled in if you have blank cards. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 11/23/2006 1:38:45 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Miami02TJ]
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Thx in advance guys ...
Are fingerprint cards and citizenship docs required for the Trust route? And do I need to send in my Trust paperwork with the app? PS... This post is just crazy --- it needsto be setup with a simple FAQ since most of the same questions get answered over and over again -- Heck I have read all the pages and I still have a question ....... |
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Posted: 12/4/2006 12:34:21 AM EDT
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No Yes |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 12/4/2006 7:53:14 PM EDT
[Last Edit: gaspipes]
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Well, I have read this entire thread and everything seems clear as mud to me.
To recap: Currently it seems I must state the exact caliber, as well as the exact bbl length and OAL of the SBR I want to register on the Form 1. Cannot use <16" and <26" and .223/9mm/22LR. Space 4a and 4d use the mfg and model stated on the reciever. I must engrave my registered SBR with my name and location. And on the Form 1 in the space 4H I must put this other identifing data which will appear on the newly registered firearm(SBR) In other words, you can't leave 4H blank because the engraving IS required and if you engrave but leave 4H blank then then the Form 1 will not match the SBR.  I see a lot of talk about the barrel lenght and changing uppers etc. And most are concerned with what to do if you change the bbl lenght and/or caliber. My question, what if you change stocks and it changes the OAL of the rifle? Say you had the collapsable stock on the SBR and on Form 1 it says the OAL is 30". Then you put on a different collapsable stock or an entry fixed buttstock and the OAL is 29". Does this change also have to be reported? Of all the goofy things in this process, this is the goofiest....regarding the lenghts/calibers that could change. |
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CO, USA
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Posted: 12/8/2006 11:27:09 AM EDT
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What form do you use to notify the BATFE when you move?
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USA
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Posted: 12/12/2006 12:54:51 AM EDT
[Last Edit: fathead]
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Help!!!!
I am sbring a rra receiver but my problem is in the 4a and 4h bos. I have a older rra receiver and it is stamped with Cleveland,ILL and rra is know in colona Illinois. do i put the colna address and it is diff from my receiver or do I use cleveland ill. in the 4a box can i just put Rock River Arms Cleveland, ILL with out a actual street address as this will match my receiver. and if so will it get kicked back since rra is now in Colona, Ill and marking the receivers as Colona, Ill or do I put in box 4a the new address and in 4h put Rock River Arms Cleveland, ILL that appears on the receiver. also when i sbr my bushy do I put Bushmaster Firearms 999 Roosevelt Trail Winham, ME 04062 or do I put Bushmaster Firearms Windham, ME. 04062 in the 4a box on the form 1. does the manufacture address need street address |
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Posted: 12/12/2006 1:21:02 AM EDT
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Use the address that is marked on the receiver. You do not need a street address; just use the same info that was originally engraved by the original Title 1 manufacturer. |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 12/17/2006 10:41:50 PM EDT
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A few quick questions on the subject of SBRs - I apologize in advance if I'm repeating any pre-existing questions (I looked through the FAQs, but could have still easily missed something)
1) I want to make my PS90 a SBR. I recall reading that the weapon will need to be engraved either on the receiver or on the barrel. Regarding the engraving - Would I be required to mark it with my initials/name (such as M. A. Hoffman) or could I put a company name (such as Hoffman Arms)? Does the actual company name which would be engraved have to legally exist (registered with the state) or could I just call it that (I'm thinking not)? 2) In the case of a SBR AR15 - would I be able to swap out any uppers I wanted, regardless of length, so long as the overall length would be within the specs as marked on my Form 1? For example, could I put an overall length of 10" - 60" in the form and put whatever upper on it I want, as the lower is registered as the SBR and every single AR15 upper out there would put the overall length of the rifle into that vast of a range? 3) Again, in the case of a SBR AR15 - once I have a lower registered as a SBR, do I need to submit a Form 1 each time I want to buy another SBR upper, or could I just go around and buy all the SBR uppers I want since the lower it will go on is already registered as a SBR? 4) If I have several SBR AR15 uppers, several AR15 lowers, and only one of those lowers is registered as a SBR, can the ATF come down on my ass and say that I'm violating law since it's possible for me to create more than the one SBR I've registered with them? If so, what's a guy gotta do to avoid this? Thanks for your help! _MaH |
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Posted: 12/18/2006 12:30:21 AM EDT
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TX, USA
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Posted: 12/18/2006 12:25:01 PM EDT
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I believe... for each unregistered lower in your posession, you better have a 16"+ upper attached to it if you have more than one SBR upper, and only one registered lower. Just to be safe. |
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MO, USA
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Posted: 1/12/2007 8:38:27 AM EDT
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TX, USA
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Posted: 1/12/2007 10:48:22 AM EDT
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ATF Application
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NC, USA
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Posted: 1/14/2007 5:49:59 PM EDT
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Hi
I have heard that a person could file a SBR under a Living Trust. Is this true and how do you go about doing it, i.e. what information do you need and basically the whole process? I could not get a signature from my CLEO and have waited for 3 years to get a SBR. Found out about this forum from a friend....... James and Mark. Thanks Krinky |
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Posted: 1/14/2007 6:56:13 PM EDT
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There is a great thread for trusts in the general class 3 forum tacked at the top. Many people are going the trust route and this thread explains the entire thing,
Trust |
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USA
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Posted: 1/15/2007 12:06:59 AM EDT
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Can someone provide a link to the Citizenship form? I know I saw it someplace and just now I can't find it... Who certifies that you are a US Citizen? I am...have a Passport to prove it but who certifies on the form that you are a US Citizen?
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Posted: 1/15/2007 12:42:35 AM EDT
[Last Edit: pick713]
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USA
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Posted: 1/15/2007 12:43:42 AM EDT
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Thanks much. Who certifies that you are a US Citizen on the form? Can you certify yourself?
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Posted: 1/15/2007 12:45:29 AM EDT
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I'm not exactly sure how it works. You just fill it out and send it in with your other forms. You don't put a SSN or any other Identification number on it. |
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