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Originally Posted By EAB:
Here's a pic of my 20" with ACS. http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee295/hk53a3/IMG_1426.jpg Now that is a NICE kit!! Makes me wanna go black and never go back! |
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Originally Posted By LAWMENS:
The ball mill-lightening or dimpling process we do to the ECC and our military guns achieves this very weight reduction on the barrel while still retaining all the benefits of a heavy barrel for accuracy and heat dispersion. Interesting. I thought the dimpling isn't done to the EC and ER platforms to meet cost targets, but the ECC/ECR and EC/ER share the same major barrel profile. Is the lack of a lighter weight profile due to machining costs/time, or due to performance concerns? I don't suppose you can supply the dimple dimensions so I could calculate the exact amount of material removed, can you? I'm not trying to violate any trademarks or patents or anything, just curious as to what the exact weight reductions and increase in surface area is. If not, no big deal. |
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Originally Posted By EAB:
Originally Posted By ragincajun1919:
Originally Posted By EAB:
Originally Posted By ragincajun1919:
Well, I shot the mk11 clOne yesterday. It's shoots like a dream. The trigger is amazing, however, there is one problem. The A2 stock is entirely too long and miserable to shoot with. How blasphemous would it be to install a SOPMOD or maybe even an A1 on there? I put one on mine, makes a lot of difference towards usability. I do recommend the ACS stock over the SOPMOD though, a much better stock for precision shooting in multiple positions. If the KAC kit is out of your range, use a standard carbine tube with a spring and buffer from Slash's heavy buffers- specific for it. Yeah, I'm a big SOPMOD stock fan, didn't like the ACS as much. I'll have to go the cheapest route possible. I'm cash poor. As jboy has stated, the problem with using the SOPMOD is when shooting prone you can collapse the stock with your support hand - especially when loading your bipod and using a rear bag. At the end of the day, it's a matter of personal preference, say ACS vs. STR vs. something else, but any of these stock would be better suited than the SOPMOD for precision work. Here's a pic of my 20" with ACS. http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee295/hk53a3/IMG_1426.jpg VERY nice rifle sir!! Would you mind snapping a pic of it without the can? Just so I can see how mine would look? |
When I was out the last week visiting.
To jump back to the OP questions on the dimpling, the barrel difference in weight is .5lbs - the EC has the same barrel profile as the M110 SASS below the handguards where the ECC has the EMC/M110K1 barrel profile - which was taken from the older SR-25 Battle Rifle - and just tapered further (to the additional length of the rifle gas system). The EC was not chromed or dimpled to make the most accurate - and affordable barrel we could put in a Carbine. There is significant costs that go into both the dimpling and chroming that we felt a majority of commercial shooters would not like, thus we felt the EC barrel type would take advantage of those folks, and the ECC could remain for those who wanted the lighter weight and the chrome to reduce cleaning requirements - yet where willing to shade accuracy perhaps a tad. The two Carbines where a departure for us in that we consciencously went out to make models specifically tailored to the two sides of the commercial market –– those who wanted a "military type gun" (the ECC) and those who wanted a target carbine (the EC). |
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701 Columbia Blvd.
Titusville, Fl 32780
1(321)607-9956
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As 030, Coldblue and Casey can tell you, if I where to get a gun dipped it would be probably with Skoal 
But frankly I'd need to get a second gun, as I generally am not concerned with the finish (and I jam a ton of crap in my case) that any finish gets beat up pretty quick. I think the Cerakote base and the Rustoleum Camo over spray works best - as it wears thru to the CeraKote and can always be re-applied as needed. After I hit my old SR-16 Recce Rifle with paint, I've never been concerned with painting guns –– 
The barrels original GunKote on the Recce did not hold up well to being smashed thru a windshield 
I miss that gun... 
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Knight's Armament Company
701 Columbia Blvd.
Titusville, Fl 32780
1(321)607-9956
[email protected]
www.knightarmco.com
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Knight's Armament Company
701 Columbia Blvd.
Titusville, Fl 32780
1(321)607-9956
[email protected]
www.knightarmco.com
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Originally Posted By KevinB:
To jump back to the OP questions on the dimpling, the barrel difference in weight is .5lbs - the EC has the same barrel profile as the M110 SASS below the handguards where the ECC has the EMC/M110K1 barrel profile - which was taken from the older SR-25 Battle Rifle - and just tapered further (to the additional length of the rifle gas system). The EC was not chromed or dimpled to make the most accurate - and affordable barrel we could put in a Carbine. There is significant costs that go into both the dimpling and chroming that we felt a majority of commercial shooters would not like, thus we felt the EC barrel type would take advantage of those folks, and the ECC could remain for those who wanted the lighter weight and the chrome to reduce cleaning requirements - yet where willing to shade accuracy perhaps a tad. The two Carbines where a departure for us in that we consciencously went out to make models specifically tailored to the two sides of the commercial market –– those who wanted a "military type gun" (the ECC) and those who wanted a target carbine (the EC). Interesting. Thanks for the info! |
SR25EC and Nighthawk 1911. Had the bipod on to attempt to shoot for groups with FN Ball, but my eyes are to the point where I have a hard time seeing the irons for precision fire. Managed about 1.5 MOA with the FN Ball, if you discount the called fliers. |
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You need to come to the BR class here in Fl...
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Kevin S. Boland
Director of Military Operations
Knight's Armament Company
701 Columbia Blvd.
Titusville, Fl 32780
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[email protected]
www.knightarmco.com
Director of Military Operations
Knight's Armament Company
701 Columbia Blvd.
Titusville, Fl 32780
1(321)607-9956
[email protected]
www.knightarmco.com
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Originally Posted By KevinB:
You need to come to the BR class here in Fl... If you mean me, I'd like to. But I don't think it'd be fair to the other participants if a FNG like myself was there, as more time would be involved in getting my shit up to speed than working on the finer points of running a BR. And between my lack of any formal tactical training, and non-LE/.mil background, I'd have a lot of shit to get up to speed. . . . 
That said, I'd be game if my complete lack of experience can be tolerated. |
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Originally Posted By Krazny13:
I'd be game if my complete lack of experience can be tolerated. I certainly hope so because I am in the exact same boat as you. But my big ass is going to be there learning what I can and praying I don't make a fool of myself.
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I must have that can. 
Kevin, I read another thread where you referred to the pictured can as the "762QDC Moderator". Will the shorter can, as pictured without the additional length or flash prongs, be made available or was moderator just a nickname for the prototype cqb can? Also, if you have some time, I shot you an email in reference to an unrelated matter. Thanks again. Tspeis |
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The Moderator came about from several Special Forces Groups (mainly 1st) being vocal about wanting a muzzle break, but a really short can as well to go into a house, where muzzle breaks are unpleasantly awkward. When I was in Texas with MARSOC they where wishing they got the MAMS and the 762QDC Moderator instead of the 762QDC/CQB Can and QDC Flash Hider.
The CQB Can grew over others desires for dB reduction - so we really have gone to a 3 part family of suppressors. |
Kevin S. Boland
Director of Military Operations
Knight's Armament Company
701 Columbia Blvd.
Titusville, Fl 32780
1(321)607-9956
[email protected]
www.knightarmco.com
Director of Military Operations
Knight's Armament Company
701 Columbia Blvd.
Titusville, Fl 32780
1(321)607-9956
[email protected]
www.knightarmco.com
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Originally Posted By LAWMENS:
I certainly hope so because I am in the exact same boat as you. But my big ass is going to be there learning what I can and praying I don't make a fool of myself. Ok, I'm convinced. Gonna try and make it. |
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Originally Posted By KevinB:
The Moderator came about from several Special Forces Groups (mainly 1st) being vocal about wanting a muzzle break, but a really short can as well to go into a house, where muzzle breaks are unpleasantly awkward. When I was in Texas with MARSOC they where wishing they got the MAMS and the 762QDC Moderator instead of the 762QDC/CQB Can and QDC Flash Hider. The CQB Can grew over others desires for dB reduction - so we really have gone to a 3 part family of suppressors. Very interesting. Thank you for the info. So will the QDC Moderator become an available production item with the other cans? Lastly, do you have any dB numbers for the Moderator compared to the production QDC and CQB cans? Thanks again Kevin. Tspeis |
here is my MK11 carbine
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Originally Posted By srtsam: That thing is sweet!!here is my MK11 carbine http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/5369/1000079t.jpg Uploaded with ImageShack.us http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/7559/1000078b.jpg Uploaded with ImageShack.us |
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Originally Posted By srtsam:
here is my MK11 carbine <a href="http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/443/1000079t.jpg/" target="_blank">http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/5369/1000079t.jpg</a> Uploaded with ImageShack.us <a href="http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/835/1000078b.jpg/" target="_blank">http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/7559/1000078b.jpg</a> Uploaded with ImageShack.us Is that a full factory rifle? Never seen a MK11 Carbine marked rifle before.. |
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I changed the grip, fh to surefire mb, prs ch with battle latch ( very nice ch for sr25's btw) enidine long rifle buffer, and sr25 magpul prs stock, and harris bipod with kmw pod-loc. the rifle was factory new and there is a small about the carbines here in the kac forum. basically, knights made these rifles upand then basically sat there until they started releasing them when the urx 3 hit the market. i jumped on it because its very close to an emc with a dimpled obermeyer stainless barrel. i'm sure there are a few more differences, but for me the selling point was the stainless match grade barrel.
thanks for the kind words. sam |
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Originally Posted By srtsam:
I changed the grip, fh to surefire mb, prs ch with battle latch ( very nice ch for sr25's btw) enidine long rifle buffer, and sr25 magpul prs stock, and harris bipod with kmw pod-loc. the rifle was factory new and there is a small about the carbines here in the kac forum. basically, knights made these rifles upand then basically sat there until they started releasing them when the urx 3 hit the market. i jumped on it because its very close to an emc with a dimpled obermeyer stainless barrel. i'm sure there are a few more differences, but for me the selling point was the stainless match grade barrel. thanks for the kind words. sam Is that a 16" or 20" barrel? The FH is throwing me off.. |
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I've noticed several photos now with the new Ieupold one-piece scope mount. How is it working for you Kevin? |
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Originally Posted By lwrkeysfisher:
I've noticed several photos now with the new Ieupold one-piece scope mount. How is it working for you Kevin? That's KACs 34mm unimount, I believe it's the taller version as well. |
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Originally Posted By EAB:
Originally Posted By lwrkeysfisher:
I've noticed several photos now with the new Ieupold one-piece scope mount. How is it working for you Kevin? That's KACs 34mm unimount, I believe it's the taller version as well. How does that mount compare to Larue's 34mm when using the Mark 6? |
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P/N 30194 34mm NVG Elevated Extended Type Eye Relief M110 Type Mount
Designed for folks who want to run their dual tube NVG's and look through the optic to remain passive instead of illuminating with the PEQ. I prefer the high mount anyway - from several years of running the Larue 1.93" height with a Short Dot. |
Kevin S. Boland
Director of Military Operations
Knight's Armament Company
701 Columbia Blvd.
Titusville, Fl 32780
1(321)607-9956
[email protected]
www.knightarmco.com
Director of Military Operations
Knight's Armament Company
701 Columbia Blvd.
Titusville, Fl 32780
1(321)607-9956
[email protected]
www.knightarmco.com
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Originally Posted By Teufelhunden1:
We need some updated pics of those SR25s Lets see um!! Todays range snapshot: http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb335/360311/IMG_0037.jpg I should be picking up my CQBSS tonight so, I'll try and get an updated pick. Just trying to decide whether or not to go with the KAC or Larue mount..I really want the KAC but, my shop only has a Tan one is stock and I want a black one.. |
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Originally Posted By jBoy723:
Originally Posted By Teufelhunden1:
We need some updated pics of those SR25s Lets see um!! Todays range snapshot: http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb335/360311/IMG_0037.jpg I should be picking up my CQBSS tonight so, I'll try and get an updated pick. Just trying to decide whether or not to go with the KAC or Larue mount..I really want the KAC but, my shop only has a Tan one is stock and I want a black one.. I love KAC stuff but Larue owns the mount world. |
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Originally Posted By cms81586:
Originally Posted By jBoy723:
Originally Posted By Teufelhunden1:
We need some updated pics of those SR25s Lets see um!! Todays range snapshot: http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb335/360311/IMG_0037.jpg I should be picking up my CQBSS tonight so, I'll try and get an updated pick. Just trying to decide whether or not to go with the KAC or Larue mount..I really want the KAC but, my shop only has a Tan one is stock and I want a black one.. I love KAC stuff but Larue owns the mount world. I ended up with the tan KAC. It was used and only cause I got it for a less than what the LaRue was going to cost me. Figured I don't really plan on taking it off the rifle much and I can always sell it and not lose any money on it and still have enough for the LaRue if I decide to swap. |
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Originally Posted By jBoy723:
Originally Posted By cms81586:
Originally Posted By jBoy723:
Originally Posted By Teufelhunden1:
We need some updated pics of those SR25s Lets see um!! Todays range snapshot: http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb335/360311/IMG_0037.jpg I should be picking up my CQBSS tonight so, I'll try and get an updated pick. Just trying to decide whether or not to go with the KAC or Larue mount..I really want the KAC but, my shop only has a Tan one is stock and I want a black one.. I love KAC stuff but Larue owns the mount world. I ended up with the tan KAC. It was used and only cause I got it for a less than what the LaRue was going to cost me. Figured I don't really plan on taking it off the rifle much and I can always sell it and not lose any money on it and still have enough for the LaRue if I decide to swap. If I remember right, KAC reported that their scope mounts actually were more repeatable than any other mount they tested, including LaRue. I think it might have been mentioned in the old SR25 thread... |
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Originally Posted By osha:
Originally Posted By jBoy723:
Originally Posted By cms81586:
Originally Posted By jBoy723:
Originally Posted By Teufelhunden1:
We need some updated pics of those SR25s Lets see um!! Todays range snapshot: http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb335/360311/IMG_0037.jpg I should be picking up my CQBSS tonight so, I'll try and get an updated pick. Just trying to decide whether or not to go with the KAC or Larue mount..I really want the KAC but, my shop only has a Tan one is stock and I want a black one.. I love KAC stuff but Larue owns the mount world. I ended up with the tan KAC. It was used and only cause I got it for a less than what the LaRue was going to cost me. Figured I don't really plan on taking it off the rifle much and I can always sell it and not lose any money on it and still have enough for the LaRue if I decide to swap. If I remember right, KAC reported that their scope mounts actually were more repeatable than any other mount they tested, including LaRue. I think it might have been mentioned in the old SR25 thread... I recall having read that as well. |
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Originally Posted By new-arguy:
Originally Posted By osha:
Originally Posted By jBoy723:
Originally Posted By cms81586:
Originally Posted By jBoy723:
Originally Posted By Teufelhunden1:
We need some updated pics of those SR25s Lets see um!! Todays range snapshot: http://i1200.photobucket.com/albums/bb335/360311/IMG_0037.jpg I should be picking up my CQBSS tonight so, I'll try and get an updated pick. Just trying to decide whether or not to go with the KAC or Larue mount..I really want the KAC but, my shop only has a Tan one is stock and I want a black one.. I love KAC stuff but Larue owns the mount world. I ended up with the tan KAC. It was used and only cause I got it for a less than what the LaRue was going to cost me. Figured I don't really plan on taking it off the rifle much and I can always sell it and not lose any money on it and still have enough for the LaRue if I decide to swap. If I remember right, KAC reported that their scope mounts actually were more repeatable than any other mount they tested, including LaRue. I think it might have been mentioned in the old SR25 thread... I recall having read that as well. They aren't...  . I've had plenty of both and many other companies mounts as well. So far Larue mounts have been much more repeatable. They are the only mounts I've found to be repeatable enough for precision rifles.
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A member over on TOS did a pretty good bit of testing and wrote up a good review and he said that Bobro mounts gave the best results with LaRue/ ADM not too far behind. I don't know if he mentioned KAC mounts or not - but they are not really QD mounts compared to the others.
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I haven't used Bobro mounts, but I've tried Larue, KAC, ADM, and quite a few others. Pinch type mounts like the KAC and ADM just don't seem to return to zero nearly as well as Larue's cam style mounts. The down side it they will mark up your receiver a slight bit (and bad if you overtighten them). If you have no plans for removing the optic frequently it's best to go with a fixed mount anyways. In that case the KAC is as good as any.
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The only thing we at KAC have stated is that the Army found that using our one piece mount that the user using a 65ft/lb torque wrench would return to zero within a 1/4 to 1/2 MOA.
Larue make a great mount as well, and its really up to the user to decide what they want. Edit - typo |
Kevin S. Boland
Director of Military Operations
Knight's Armament Company
701 Columbia Blvd.
Titusville, Fl 32780
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[email protected]
www.knightarmco.com
Director of Military Operations
Knight's Armament Company
701 Columbia Blvd.
Titusville, Fl 32780
1(321)607-9956
[email protected]
www.knightarmco.com
| Is there a general number of how many SR25 EMC's were sold on the commercial market? I've been contemplating swapping the rail on my EMC to the newer URX 3.1 but, am kinda undecided and may want to keep it in it's original from if there aren't that many floating around. |
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Originally Posted By new-arguy:
I think we're starting to see why individual testing without at least a sizeable number of test units is hard to rely on. There's three or four different people here all saying they've done their own testing, all coming up with a different best mount. If LT and KAC would send me a stastically adequate sample size, say. . . . 100 mounts, plus ammo and a nice S&B scope, I'd volunteer to definitively settle the matter.
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Originally Posted By jBoy723:
Is there a general number of how many SR25 EMC's were sold on the commercial market? I've been contemplating swapping the rail on my EMC to the newer URX 3.1 but, am kinda undecided and may want to keep it in it's original from if there aren't that many floating around. IIRC about 425 EMC's where sold commercially. |
Kevin S. Boland
Director of Military Operations
Knight's Armament Company
701 Columbia Blvd.
Titusville, Fl 32780
1(321)607-9956
[email protected]
www.knightarmco.com
Director of Military Operations
Knight's Armament Company
701 Columbia Blvd.
Titusville, Fl 32780
1(321)607-9956
[email protected]
www.knightarmco.com
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Originally Posted By KevinB:
Originally Posted By jBoy723:
Is there a general number of how many SR25 EMC's were sold on the commercial market? I've been contemplating swapping the rail on my EMC to the newer URX 3.1 but, am kinda undecided and may want to keep it in it's original from if there aren't that many floating around. IIRC about 425 EMC's where sold commercially. Thanks..Made the decision easier to go ahead and go with the rail swap..I thought it was less than 100 for some reason.. ETA: Figured I'd post this here as well.. 
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Originally Posted By jBoy723:
Originally Posted By KevinB:
Originally Posted By jBoy723:
Is there a general number of how many SR25 EMC's were sold on the commercial market? I've been contemplating swapping the rail on my EMC to the newer URX 3.1 but, am kinda undecided and may want to keep it in it's original from if there aren't that many floating around. IIRC about 425 EMC's where sold commercially. Thanks..Made the decision easier to go ahead and go with the rail swap..I thought it was less than 100 for some reason.. ETA: Figured I'd post this here as well.. http://i735.photobucket.com/albums/ww359/jboy723/1345720579.jpg Jimmy, rail swap will make it an entirely different beast, DO IT!!! Pic Thread: Side by side OAL EMC (41") MK11 Mod 1 (46 1/2") 
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Originally Posted By jBoy723: http://i735.photobucket.com/albums/ww359/jboy723/1345720579.jpg Fancy. |
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Originally Posted By BriggsRi:
Teufelhunden1, Nice pair!
How do they sound side by side - any shooting impression, thoughts, likes / dislikes? I have not had the chance to take both to the range for a side by side comparison in regards to supression. I have only had both out to 300 yds so far. I am very impressed with how soft the EMC shoots both suppressed and unsuppressed and absolutely love the cheek weld that can be aquired with any Magpul ACS/STR. As for the MK11, I am very anxious to stretch her out. I am going to hook up with EAB in the near future to hopefully push lead between 800-1000 yds. I am not completely satisfied with the cheek weld on the M110 stock, which is why most M110's in the field have been customized with foam from a ISO pad/form wrap. However it completes the clone spec of the USMC M110 REPR and I think I can look past that little issue.
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SR-25 pic part 2 (Page 6 of 119)
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