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Posted: 10/13/2023 11:31:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BBOHACH: So in other words, order now. |
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Posted: 10/13/2023 12:47:22 PM EDT
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The cost sucks, but I don’t think it’s unreasonable for a 3D printed Inconel can. It takes a long time to see a ROI on those Inconel printers. I love that the Surefire cans don't have threaded end caps or adapters to worry about backing off. I
The unreasonable part is that it is still a 17oz can. I was hoping they’d shave some of that down. Oh, well… might as well order one. |
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Posted: 10/13/2023 1:04:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Green0: Right, so the only way to give customers a better price would be to engineer a less expensive product for the government to buy with taxpayers money. In other words, if the taxpayer got a better deal, then the tax paying consumer could also get a better deal. Maybe there is some unwritten requirement that everything that wins a contract with the government has to be overpriced. When we recently talked to people in mil purchasing, they talked about prices on units half this high as something that would have to come down, so the whole what does it have to cost deal is hard to figure out. It certainly seemed as though the military procurement people we’re trying to get good budgetary value. Selling anything to the government is a huge pain in the ass and you have to charge a premium to bring that misery into your life willingly. |
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Posted: 10/13/2023 6:31:43 PM EDT
[#4]
 SureFire Suppressors | RC2 vs RC3 |
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Posted: 10/15/2023 9:00:59 AM EDT
[#5]
It seems to me that comparing the Rc2 and Rc3, the Rc3 reduces back pressure (which is huge) and improves on flash with a minor compromise on very slightly increasing DB. Weight is about the same and its nice they kept the same muzzle devices. I own a legacy can and two Rc2 cans. If the price point comes down or came into the range of hux Id be interested.
The price keeps me from looking at this which is also why I dont own a knights can either. Hopefully guys will be happy with this though, surefire's warranty service was awesome the last time I dealt with them. |
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Posted: 10/15/2023 1:25:15 PM EDT
[#6]
I’ll probably get one of these eventually, but I’m in no hurry. Hopefully they’ll be able to streamline the manufacturing and drop the price closer to around $1300. That’s still $1500 with the tax, but better than paying $2k.
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TN, USA
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Posted: 10/15/2023 6:24:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By rightwing87: I’ll probably get one of these eventually, but I’m in no hurry. Hopefully they’ll be able to streamline the manufacturing and drop the price closer to around $1300. That’s still $1500 with the tax, but better than paying $2k. We might see some sales where these get down to $1500ish in a year or two, but new in box ones will not be in the $1300 range anytime soon. |
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USA
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Posted: 10/23/2023 12:21:48 PM EDT
[#8]
 RC3 Run & Gun at Ridgeline |
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AK, USA
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Posted: 10/23/2023 2:03:42 PM EDT
[Last Edit: UMP45_Enthusiast]
[#9]
That looks like fun, but the stacked conexs creeps me out in a place that can get strong wind. Also where mini3? |
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Posted: 10/23/2023 2:12:03 PM EDT
[#10]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Green0: Right, so the only way to give customers a better price would be to engineer a less expensive product for the government to buy with taxpayers money. In other words, if the taxpayer got a better deal, then the tax paying consumer could also get a better deal. Maybe there is some unwritten requirement that everything that wins a contract with the government has to be overpriced. When we recently talked to people in mil purchasing, they talked about prices on units half this high as something that would have to come down, so the whole what does it have to cost deal is hard to figure out. It certainly seemed as though the military procurement people we’re trying to get good budgetary value. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Green0: Originally Posted By Ryan_Scott: They aren’t allowed to sell it to you for less than they sell it to the government for. Right, so the only way to give customers a better price would be to engineer a less expensive product for the government to buy with taxpayers money. In other words, if the taxpayer got a better deal, then the tax paying consumer could also get a better deal. Maybe there is some unwritten requirement that everything that wins a contract with the government has to be overpriced. When we recently talked to people in mil purchasing, they talked about prices on units half this high as something that would have to come down, so the whole what does it have to cost deal is hard to figure out. It certainly seemed as though the military procurement people we’re trying to get good budgetary value. We're getting ready to purchase some suppressors to standardize on one thing. Luckily we're small enough that we could probably buy them direct from the manufacturer without much FAR nonsense. I certainly want to stretch our small budget as far as possible. An RC3 would not be in our budget but then again, we don't have a DOD size budget either |
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Posted: 10/23/2023 2:13:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Scott: Selling anything to the government is a huge pain in the ass and you have to charge a premium to bring that misery into your life willingly. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Scott: Originally Posted By Green0: Right, so the only way to give customers a better price would be to engineer a less expensive product for the government to buy with taxpayers money. In other words, if the taxpayer got a better deal, then the tax paying consumer could also get a better deal. Maybe there is some unwritten requirement that everything that wins a contract with the government has to be overpriced. When we recently talked to people in mil purchasing, they talked about prices on units half this high as something that would have to come down, so the whole what does it have to cost deal is hard to figure out. It certainly seemed as though the military procurement people we’re trying to get good budgetary value. Selling anything to the government is a huge pain in the ass and you have to charge a premium to bring that misery into your life willingly. Contracting is only as difficult as you want it to be. It's really a pretty straightforward process when buying commercially available items |
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Posted: 10/23/2023 2:56:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cone256: Contracting is only as difficult as you want it to be. It's really a pretty straightforward process when buying commercially available items Everything I’ve ever sold true government was custom built to spec. |
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Posted: 10/23/2023 3:38:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Scott: Everything I’ve ever sold true government was custom built to spec. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Scott: Originally Posted By cone256: Contracting is only as difficult as you want it to be. It's really a pretty straightforward process when buying commercially available items Everything I’ve ever sold true government was custom built to spec. Then it just depends on the dollar amount really. It's not hard to write out a specifications sheet, put it out on SAM for industry, then go with the vendor that provides you what you want. It only gets stupid when you have people who don't know what they actually want, which isn't exclusive to government buyers, and can't fully flesh out a requirement |
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Posted: 10/23/2023 4:06:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cone256: Then it just depends on the dollar amount really. It's not hard to write out a specifications sheet, put it out on SAM for industry, then go with the vendor that provides you what you want. It only gets stupid when you have people who don't know what they actually want, which isn't exclusive to government buyers, and can't fully flesh out a requirement No it gets stupid when you’re using a bucket from foreign made screws to hold water and they stop work on the entire site to look for foreign made screws. Motherfucker that’s a water bucket now and has been since before this project started. |
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USA
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Posted: 10/28/2023 5:02:00 PM EDT
[#15]
Night white light shooting:
 AR-15 Night Training With The Surefire RC3 From Ridgeline Defense (Part 2) |
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Posted: 10/28/2023 6:26:28 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Green0]
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Quote HistoryThe guy in the red shirt in the video is a former International Sniper Comp winner, (I think he also second placed an adjacent year). He was an instructor for my brother and I at sniper school. I believe he was an NCOIC before he left, then a Swat sniper, and now a Ridgeline instructor. He's about as good as a sniper gets. Basically a jedi. Probably one of the best tactical marksmanship instructors in the world, so the ability of people to pay for and take a course from him is pretty unique. |
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Posted: 10/31/2023 5:58:48 PM EDT
[#17]
$1799 MSRP ... wow
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LA, USA
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Posted: 11/4/2023 8:16:39 AM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By thehun06: $1799 MSRP ... wow This. SureFire makes premium stuff but they are out of their freaking minds on the price. I would not buy an RC3 at any price over $1200. I just cannot see what justifies that massive price jump from the RC2. Even if it is 3D printed rainbow dust, it still is not justified. I just picked up a CGS Hyperion. 3D printed titanium, DLC coated, with interchangeable front caps (flow through or increased back pressure). Was $1250 out the door. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 11/7/2023 6:04:10 PM EDT
[#19]
Any word when the FDE ones roll out? Or 762?
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TN, USA
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Posted: 11/8/2023 11:21:07 AM EDT
[Last Edit: BlueShirtGuy]
[#20]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Johnson184: Any word when the FDE ones roll out? Or 762? Both black and FDE are starting to show up at distributors and dealers. Distributors sold out in about 10 minutes on the first batch. No ETA on the Mini version as of today. A 762 version has not been announced. |
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Posted: 11/9/2023 5:52:37 PM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Scott: I was specifically told that most incidents involved helicopters, and those guys were doing six rides many nights, 90 days straight. They use SF now. They also lost some M203s. Kids these days. Ironically, a team member told me of many socom cans lost out of helicopters. This was back before the ball detent QDC cans, so I know it wasn't a wording/product ID mistake on his part. |
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Posted: 11/9/2023 6:09:24 PM EDT
[#22]
I am very curious how this can performs heads up for backpressure, sound, and flash mitigation vs KAC CRS PRG cans.
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SC, USA
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Posted: 11/10/2023 11:09:20 AM EDT
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My Mini2 just cleared; email came through this morning.
 About 11 months from completed form 4 submission till now. I haven't even picked it up yet, but being in process of getting my old SDN-6 rebuilt to modern Ranger 7 specs has me wondering if there is a future where Surefire could/would rebuild older SOCOM cans into RC3s. I'm guessing not, since these are designed and built primarily for institutional customers who are unlikely to care about that kind of thing, but I wonder if it is possible. |
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Posted: 11/10/2023 11:21:46 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Green0]
[#24]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JohnDough: Ironically, a team member told me of many socom cans lost out of helicopters. This was back before the ball detent QDC cans, so I know it wasn't a wording/product ID mistake on his part. You could simply put an m110 on a rucksack and that could open the gate against the ball detent, and the guy running the gun had to be conscious of that gate all the time. Like a person wearing a handgun in a crowd has to be conscious of his handgun and keeping positive retention of it. The strap in the door of a helicopter used as a rest for a shooter could easily kick the ball detent gate open, and the gun is on that strap with a muzzle down attitude for safety of the rotor system and targeting reasons. So drop the gun to an angle, gate pops open in contact to the cargo strap/rest, in the night and the 150 mph wind off the rotors might open it and then gravity is going to take the can off the barrel. Hueys were smooth cadillacs, the roof was as big as the floor blocking the rotor wash for the most part, but blackhawks have a smaller roof than floor for lift efficiency, and when the doors are open, the wind is terrific. |
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AK, USA
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Posted: 12/7/2023 1:52:13 AM EDT
[Last Edit: UMP45_Enthusiast]
[#25]
 On The Range With SureFire RC3 Some timeline updates: 762 RC3 Q1 2024 (Feb stated) 556 Mini3 mid 2024 762 Mini3 "maybe" I could have sworn in some of the earlier videos they stated the Mini3 would only be a couple months behind the full size. Kind of a shame to see it pushed all the way to middle of next year, now I have to find something else to throw money at... |
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Posted: 12/7/2023 2:31:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By UMP45_Enthusiast:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UsLHMXLR04ASome timeline updates: 762 RC3 Q1 2024 (Feb stated) 556 Mini3 mid 2024 762 Mini3 "maybe" I could have sworn in some of the earlier videos they stated the Mini3 would only be a couple months behind the full size. Kind of a shame to see it pushed all the way to middle of next year, now I have to find something else to throw money at... . Guess I won't wait for the 762 Mini 3. |
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Posted: 12/7/2023 2:37:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JohnDough: Ironically, a team member told me of many socom cans lost out of helicopters. This was back before the ball detent QDC cans, so I know it wasn't a wording/product ID mistake on his part. If a guy loses an SF can out of a helicopter I’m looking in his closet. 
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Posted: 12/7/2023 12:21:45 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Green0]
[#28]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Scott: If a guy loses an SF can out of a helicopter I’m looking in his closet. There were two early variations of the QDSS that were probably responsible for that, one had a big leaf spring clip that kind of grabbed the tube diameter to keep the gate down, and one had a ball detent like an M110 suppressor. Those issues probably receded dramatically with the rotary redundancy latch, which should probably be called the latch because there isn’t anything redundant about having one system retain the gate in a down/engaged position. Pressure will lift a gate, so gravity isn’t retention. The ball detent replaced the clip, and the rotary latch replaced it. The rotary latch in the NT4 then later got a cheap roll pin for putting some axial tension on it to keep it from inadvertently rolling to an unlocked position. The roll pin is more redundant, but kind of shows the system was considered improveable so the people who lost cans, probably weren’t particularly negligent. This use of a roll pin is unorthodox and those occasionally fall out from fatigue. A coiled spring pin, especially a larger one, would likely have a lower failure rate. |
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Posted: 12/8/2023 12:00:43 AM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Scott: If a guy loses an SF can out of a helicopter I’m looking in his closet. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Scott: Originally Posted By JohnDough: Ironically, a team member told me of many socom cans lost out of helicopters. This was back before the ball detent QDC cans, so I know it wasn't a wording/product ID mistake on his part. If a guy loses an SF can out of a helicopter I’m looking in his closet. Stories of Sf212 come to mind lol |
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Posted: 12/9/2023 3:22:28 PM EDT
[#30]
Supposedly a picture of an RC3
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Posted: 12/9/2023 3:46:37 PM EDT
[#31]
LINK to alleged RC3 flamethrower discussion. 12.5," M855. At least 2 others claim a similar experience with Winchester, PMC Bronze, and Hornady Black.
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USA
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Posted: 12/9/2023 4:20:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DDS87: LINK to alleged RC3 flamethrower discussion. 12.5," M855. At least 2 others claim a similar experience with Winchester, PMC Bronze, and Hornady Black. I remember seeing a video where a SF rep said it took like a few years to get the flash suppression they wanted. I almost ordered one. Looking forward to seeing more reviews before I do so now. |
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Posted: 12/9/2023 4:51:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By rakkasan1187: I remember seeing a video where a SF rep said it took like a few years to get the flash suppression they wanted. I almost ordered one. Looking forward to seeing more reviews before I do so now. One of them is saying that it does this every once in a while in his experience, regardless of ammo. Someone else replied that his KAC 7.62 PRG (basically KAC's 7.62 version of this) also does this occasionally shooting 5.56. It wasn't the first round pop, either. |
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Posted: 12/9/2023 5:59:30 PM EDT
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The only way it would do that is if it’s capturing sunburned powder and then burning it all at once.
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Posted: 12/9/2023 6:19:52 PM EDT
[#35]
I think you’re right on this one.
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Posted: 12/9/2023 7:15:29 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryWell that's disappointing. Was looking to pickup a Mini 3 when they dropped to replace my Vox K to help with flash suppression   |
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Posted: 12/10/2023 10:22:22 AM EDT
[Last Edit: gopeder111]
[#37]
From the TFB review comparison photo it looks heavily over bored compared to the RC2 which might explain the fireballs.
 
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Posted: 12/10/2023 11:05:20 AM EDT
[#38]
I think the accumulation of unburned powder theory makes more sense since those affected say it happens randomly and not on the first round. I wonder if the bore is the same size all the way through, that does look large.
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Posted: 12/10/2023 11:10:44 AM EDT
[#39]
I've talked to a few dudes out here with me who've tested them-they also said the rc3 was really flashy
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Posted: 12/10/2023 11:44:54 AM EDT
[Last Edit: gopeder111]
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DDS87: I think the accumulation of unburned powder theory makes more sense since those affected say it happens randomly and not on the first round. I wonder if the bore is the same size all the way through, that does look large. True, that most likely explains the sporadic fireballs but it is still strange that they would overbore it to this extent. The fireball in the picture looks kind of like the first round pop you'd see when shooting 5.56 out of a 7.62 suppressor that has no flash hiding end cap or 5.56 endcap, maybe even worse. |
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Posted: 12/10/2023 12:00:41 PM EDT
[#41]
That exit hole almost looks like it’s tapered to me. Might be giving the illusion its larger than it is.
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AK, USA
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Posted: 12/11/2023 1:26:34 PM EDT
[Last Edit: UMP45_Enthusiast]
[#42]
Quote HistoryIncredibly disappointing if true. My only hesitation in believing this is that there are multiple videos of this can with no flash at all with long shot strings and full auto, and a flash like that I would expect to be daylight visible. I also feel like critical context such as the host weapon is missing here. Also the echo chamber that is Reddit is currently on a hate train in regards to the RC3 due to its price, I would take everyone claiming they have seen similar with a massive grain of salt unless they can show proof. This is also the community that will claim that the Flow556k has the best flash performance industry wide, so... |
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Posted: 12/11/2023 2:24:20 PM EDT
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Are all current videos of the RC3 shown at a SureFire event using Black Hills ammo?
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Posted: 12/11/2023 3:38:59 PM EDT
[Last Edit: ngc1300]
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By UMP45_Enthusiast: Incredibly disappointing if true. My only hesitation in believing this is that there are multiple videos of this can with no flash at all with long shot strings and full auto, and a flash like that I would expect to be daylight visible. I also feel like critical context such as the host weapon is missing here. Also the echo chamber that is Reddit is currently on a hate train in regards to the RC3 due to its price, I would take everyone claiming they have seen similar with a massive grain of salt unless they can show proof. This is also the community that will claim that the Flow556k has the best flash performance industry wide, so... |
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AK, USA
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Posted: 12/11/2023 5:04:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ngc1300: I called surefire and spoke to a rep, he said for max flash suppression on the RC3 you need to be using a 3prong or 4prong flash hider and that a brake or the tined flash hiders have more flash. Could that be the inconsistency users are reporting? I sure hope that's it, my only other guess is this is some crazy 5" barrel abomination. The flash in picture just seems unrealistic given what has been shown, but most of what has been shown is from hand picked reviewers so who knows. Thankfully I'm only in this for the Mini3 which is not slated to release for half a year, so plenty of time to see more examples of performance before I commit. I might be bias, but it just doesn't feel like something Surefire would release and it certainly doesn't look like something the USSOCOM would contract. |
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Posted: 12/11/2023 5:49:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ngc1300: I called surefire and spoke to a rep, he said for max flash suppression on the RC3 you need to be using a 3prong or 4prong flash hider and that a brake or the tined flash hiders have more flash. Could that be the inconsistency users are reporting? I would like to see a silencer that will suppress flash better mounted to a flash suppressor than to a muzzle brake. That's more likely his opinion or something he says that he thinks sounds good. |
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Posted: 12/11/2023 6:16:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By UMP45_Enthusiast: I sure hope that's it, my only other guess is this is some crazy 5" barrel abomination. The flash in picture just seems unrealistic given what has been shown, but most of what has been shown is from hand picked reviewers so who knows. Thankfully I'm only in this for the Mini3 which is not slated to release for half a year, so plenty of time to see more examples of performance before I commit. I might be bias, but it just doesn't feel like something Surefire would release and it certainly doesn't look like something the USSOCOM would contract. I agree with you except you mean biased not bias. |
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MD, USA
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Posted: 12/11/2023 8:32:51 PM EDT
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I finger banged an rc3 compared to an rc2 at my local gun shop yesterday. The bore on the end cap is much larger than the rc2. The bore through the suppressor is about the same as the rc2. The range staff weren’t terribly impressed with the rc3. They said a little louder and a bit less blowback. Not a big enough difference to justify the cost ( and they sell both). I still think I’m gonna go old school and get the rc2 for my mk18 build.
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Posted: 12/11/2023 8:53:24 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1168RGR]
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By x_red_beard_x: The cost sucks, but I don’t think it’s unreasonable for a 3D printed Inconel can. It takes a long time to see a ROI on those Inconel printers. SiCo Velos costs way less, a bit more than half maybe, and is a 3D printed Inconel can with a labyrinthine coaxial bypass surrounding traditional baffles, much like the RC3. Plus HUB adaptability. I’m not saying its equal to the RC3, just that “3d printed Inconel” probably has little to do with the cost difference. |
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Posted: 12/11/2023 9:00:24 PM EDT
[Last Edit: DDS87]
[#50]
SureFire has just released a statement (not a denial) on Instagram regarding flash performance of the RC3.
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