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Posted: 6/30/2007 8:00:14 PM EDT
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Victor Di Cosola
Tactical Night Vision Company - TNVC
www.tacticalnightvision.com
[email protected]
(909) 659-2842
"Fear Not the Night, But Fear What Hunts the Night"
Tactical Night Vision Company - TNVC
www.tacticalnightvision.com
[email protected]
(909) 659-2842
"Fear Not the Night, But Fear What Hunts the Night"
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Da 760 does hace some impressive stats! |
Victor Di Cosola
Tactical Night Vision Company - TNVC
www.tacticalnightvision.com
[email protected]
(909) 659-2842
"Fear Not the Night, But Fear What Hunts the Night"
Tactical Night Vision Company - TNVC
www.tacticalnightvision.com
[email protected]
(909) 659-2842
"Fear Not the Night, But Fear What Hunts the Night"
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As the 20 foot minimum focus distance of the SVM precludes any effective use in an enclosed environment, will you at least be doing some testing in a rural environment with/without supplemental IR during the next new moon? This will give some comparison of performance under low light conditions, which to me at least, is where the "rubber meets the road". ETA: A supplemental report is available on page 6 of this thread based upon my experience with this device. |
After this review with a 1/2 and full moon in a rural environment, there might not be a need! |
Victor Di Cosola
Tactical Night Vision Company - TNVC
www.tacticalnightvision.com
[email protected]
(909) 659-2842
"Fear Not the Night, But Fear What Hunts the Night"
Tactical Night Vision Company - TNVC
www.tacticalnightvision.com
[email protected]
(909) 659-2842
"Fear Not the Night, But Fear What Hunts the Night"
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| The suits are going berserk over at the yahoo XNN forum!messages.finance.yahoo.com/Stocks_%28A_to_Z%29/Stocks_X/threadview?m=tm&bn=26510&tid=18952&mid=18953&tof=1&rt=2&frt=2&off=1 this one is even worsemessages.finance.yahoo.com/Stocks_%28A_to_Z%29/Stocks_X/threadview?m=tm&bn=26510&tid=18952&mid=18954&tof=1&rt=2&frt=2&off=1 I don`t feel bad at all about being hard on them when they invaded our forum with their B.S. |
NOW THAT'S SOME FUNNY SHIT! |
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I went over and read what was being said on that stock market forum, 12000bucks, ???? these people have not a clue to reality, if they cant get a simple thing as price right, think they are gonna get anything else right, ![]() and also, there is more people here on this forum who have forgotten more than those over there will ever learn on the NV topic, oh well, but then again what do we expect from stockmarket kiddies, |
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Victor, Awesome job regardless of what the zombies over on yahoo are saying about you. hey I have a couple questions about the images... It appears that the images for the Supervision were quite blurry compared to the other devices. Is that the gist of what you were seeing? I assume you tried manually focusing the image to get better clarity. Also, the Supervision images appear stretched horizontally. Was that how they appeared in the device itself or did that have something to do with the camera taking the picture? Thanks again. I'm looking forward to the next part of the field test. |
| Obvious to me that those hyping the stock are investors at best and insiders at worst. Professional (big money) investors seek out facts and ignore hype. IMO, these folks have a vested interest, much as the others that have appeared on various gunboards hyping a product that hadnt hit the market. |
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The fact that the one guy keeps ranting about $13,000 for Gen3 clearly shows how little he knows. Did I miss something, or wasn't it XNN who made the claim that SVM was better than conventional NV in every aspect? Now their cheerleaders are complaining when an informed 3rd party makes an objective comparison disproving that false claim. I suspect those same cheerleaders are the trolls from the other thread. I would still like to see the performance of the SVM in the darkest of dark environments firsthand; that is after all what night vision is for. Maybe when Victor is done with his testing, he would be willing to ship the unit to one of us for some "informed consumer" testing without the criticism of bias. I'd be willing to pay the shipping to pass it on to the next in line. If XNN wasn't a penny stock to start with, I'd sell some short, but the risk isn't worth the $2 per share maximum to be gained. Better to stick with blue chips. YMMV |
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Nice review as always Victor. That was about what I was expecting. It does an ok job, but I dont think I would fork over 1400 for it. And whats this the yahoo (that appropriate) stock guys are saying? Can I resell my very excellent pvs 14 for 13grand? I can get two more and a 760 with that kinda profit |
Hi and good questions....The SuperVision manual was lacking on the GAIN modes and Xenonics has contacted me has given me a good explanation. I made the update on the main review. Either way, no matter what gain setting I initially attempted to use, the SVM auto gain would basically take over in a high light environment, thus why I was seeing no difference in this "white-out" which now makes sense why. As for focusing, most times you saw this at higher magnification which happens quite frequently with digital zooms versus optical zooms. Many of the 2x to (approx.) 5x magnification came out well I thought. As stated in my disclaimer, the camera actually took a more representation of what my eye was seeing versus the NV intensifier tube which always gives a somewhat grainy effect in a camera. As for the image, that is somewhat streched? The image is rectangular and the EP lens is circular. The rubber eye guard is not flexible at all and I had to push the camera against the rubber eye guard to get a full FOV. Any deformity is and was from me trying to get the camera in the best position. I will post this disclaimer as well. Thanks for all the comments gents, it been a lot of hard work putting this all together. Also, I have decided I WILL do a NO moon look-see at the same 1/2 moon range you will see I use at the next part of this field report. Hope this helps Vic |
Victor Di Cosola
Tactical Night Vision Company - TNVC
www.tacticalnightvision.com
[email protected]
(909) 659-2842
"Fear Not the Night, But Fear What Hunts the Night"
Tactical Night Vision Company - TNVC
www.tacticalnightvision.com
[email protected]
(909) 659-2842
"Fear Not the Night, But Fear What Hunts the Night"
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Once again, if it was the Holy Grail of NV, they'd have sold it to the (or a) Government. I predict a Troll invasion, extolling the merits of the system, and the obvious lack of experience of anyone who actually uses NV, as opposed to looking at cool pictures on Advertising sites. I'd also like to see it tested against the other digital viewing systems, to see if it's any kind of a breakthrough at all. |
| Great review Vic! I think we all assumed that Supvision would not live up to their marketing. I have to admit though, it was a little better than I expected. I wish Supervision would not try to over market their product. I think they could (with some time and improvement) make a very nice product. Seems like digital technology has come a long way. I hope in the future this technology can improve and produce a better overall NV product and drive prices down for the consumer. Looks like Supervision needs to work on an optical zoom, better processing, and make it weapon mountable. Hopefully, their research and developement department will continue to make improvements to their product. Untill then, Gen III still is king! |
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Updated the review with the PVS-4 Gen 2 system and added a blurb on any deformity on the SVM EP pics are strictly due to the firm rubber eye guard and me pressing the camera into the eye guard to get the FULL FOV of what my eye was seeing. Hope this helps. Vic |
Victor Di Cosola
Tactical Night Vision Company - TNVC
www.tacticalnightvision.com
[email protected]
(909) 659-2842
"Fear Not the Night, But Fear What Hunts the Night"
Tactical Night Vision Company - TNVC
www.tacticalnightvision.com
[email protected]
(909) 659-2842
"Fear Not the Night, But Fear What Hunts the Night"
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Great work on the review so far Vic. I am a Xenonics investor, though my position is much smaller than it used to be after it became apparent the company failed to come anywhere close to manufacturing 3000 SV units this quarter as predicted. Also I think their Kaltron PR is an exaggeration. I would like to see the urban review re-done using SV manual gain instead of SV automatic gain if that is going to make a significant difference on reducing the white-out. It would be nice to see from a 3rd party what the SV is fully capable or not capable of. The SuperVision is available at $1079 at one particular online retailer so clearly it is going to be an inexpensive unit compared to Gen III + zoom technology. It is hard to predict how price sensitive law enforcement is going to be. |
There really is not a manual gain sorta speak in the high light areas, please refer to the UPDATE section in the main review. This is the information that came from Xenonics. Hope this helps, Vic |
Victor Di Cosola
Tactical Night Vision Company - TNVC
www.tacticalnightvision.com
[email protected]
(909) 659-2842
"Fear Not the Night, But Fear What Hunts the Night"
Tactical Night Vision Company - TNVC
www.tacticalnightvision.com
[email protected]
(909) 659-2842
"Fear Not the Night, But Fear What Hunts the Night"
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Wow I am late to this party. Gotta lay off the late nights with the strippers... Vic put a ton of work into this review and I will say that he picked some very difficult lighting situations for both systems. I also realize photographing this was no easy chore. I will say the Supervision performed better than I expected. I was thinking much worse, but in the end I would NOT purchase one of these based on it's performance to price ratio. Call me silly. It is one half to one third the cost of a PVS 14 and does not perform half as well. I can not use this device for any of my applications. It falls way tooooo short in some very basic areas for me. Also I will not recommend it to any Law Enforcement agencies who I occasionally consult for. The Military guys have already rejected this out of hand, off the supervisions own specs. No 1 X, a two hour battery life... They never even got to waterproof as a question. I just read the Yahoo stuff and about fell off my chair laughing. I wonder how deeply invested some people are in this mess. This leads me to wonder how many investors get lead down the prim rose path everyday in general? GOOD GRIEF ! ! ! Vic do you plan to do any testing in enclosed spaces? Like say a building search scenario? Maybe even passively? IPSC_GUY SIERRA II ALPHA |
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SV looks like a decent NVD for the price and they probably can improve on it greatly. It definately is not Gen 4 or anything even close to Gen 3. but why is everyone so about it? Competition is what makes America great!!! AC |
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Yes, I do plan to perform an indoor test. |
Victor Di Cosola
Tactical Night Vision Company - TNVC
www.tacticalnightvision.com
[email protected]
(909) 659-2842
"Fear Not the Night, But Fear What Hunts the Night"
Tactical Night Vision Company - TNVC
www.tacticalnightvision.com
[email protected]
(909) 659-2842
"Fear Not the Night, But Fear What Hunts the Night"
I think the deal is that these guys came out saying they had taken an evolutionary step forward past the current technology in Night vision. Night Vision is something near and dear to my fuzzy little heart as this is a technology our Armed forces bet their lives on. So I am keenly interested to be sure. Then they sold a bunch of stock in their own company on this "fact" of a new device that was going to take the market by storm. This is where it gets evil. The reality is that the devices is not up to it's claims and there are people still saying, buy more stock NOW ! ! ! Is this going to be a an Enron like scam? Doubtful, hopefully no one has sunk their life savings into this company. It would not be a big deal if they had come on the scene saying "Hey we have this new device check it out" and let supply and demand on the market dictate it's success or failure. There are people sitting on the ends of telephones talking to other people who have money and these invsetors do not have a background in night vision equipment. They are being told that this product is something it isn't and they are being asked to invest their hard earned dollars into this company... that is the rub for me. IPSC_GUY SIERRA II ALPHA P.S. the girls insisted on breakfast. How much silicon enhancement can ya pack into a Porsche? |
PICS? |
I definitely believe the future of NV tech will be digital, and there are systems that are close to performing as to Supervisions claims (link from another thread)
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I'd buy one for that price if it were a head mount... |
Never make another person a priority when they merely see you as an option...
Al-Jazeera (sp) is made for marketing to 7th century peoples that have to be told not to crap in thier wells.
Al-Jazeera (sp) is made for marketing to 7th century peoples that have to be told not to crap in thier wells.
The lowest magnification is a 2x so it would'nt make a good head mounted unit. For that price, you can get a D 300 that you could use head mounted. IMO, the D 300(gen 2)has lots of stuff on Supervision. From what I can tell from Victors pics, the unit peforms the same as the $400.00 Yukon with the exeption of the variable magnification. |
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I have updated the final installment of the urban session with some indoor house shots. Two more parts to go! Whew! Thanks all, Vic |
Victor Di Cosola
Tactical Night Vision Company - TNVC
www.tacticalnightvision.com
[email protected]
(909) 659-2842
"Fear Not the Night, But Fear What Hunts the Night"
Tactical Night Vision Company - TNVC
www.tacticalnightvision.com
[email protected]
(909) 659-2842
"Fear Not the Night, But Fear What Hunts the Night"
From another ARFCOM'er...... It really rings true to me as I find myself overextending myself to people when they don't deserve it or use me over time. Happens to everyone in relationships, work, and life. People use people. |
Never make another person a priority when they merely see you as an option...
Al-Jazeera (sp) is made for marketing to 7th century peoples that have to be told not to crap in thier wells.
Al-Jazeera (sp) is made for marketing to 7th century peoples that have to be told not to crap in thier wells.
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I hate to say this....the more of the specs I see, the more right I feel with my speculation. 5-30 FPS - obvious sign of longer frame integration time. I hate to see anything less than 30 FPS. 5 FPS is horrible....I don't think 5 is realistic for any military applications, where a split second means something. 5FPS = close to 200 millisecond integration time.....fast moving targets will smear like nothing else. I^2 has no frame rate....a BIG plus there in my book. Gain control? IMO, that's the function of change of integration time by the DSP and Dynamic Range Compression (DRC) and Histogram adjustment. You can neglect the last paragraph if you have no idea what those words mean....If you're curious... http://www.dpreview.com/learn/?/Glossary/Digital_Imaging/dynamic_range_01.htm BTW, autogated tubes will take care of the blooming nicely. |
| I now see super vision as an initial offering by xenonics, it has been compared to tubes to create a stir, and it has. If I had a military application for night vision I would be useing a tube, period. Super vision will find its place, Im interested in what they will be offering in the future, I have discovered that the main engineer for xenonics was formerly a patent producer for ITT in the night vision field, he has to bring real insight to the business. waiting for victors final installment. |
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Not a toy? Judging by those pictures taken indoors it looks like it's not even worthy of "toyhood." I mean it looks to me like the damn thing doesn't work at all! How is that possible? I know next to nothing about night vision equipment but I'm pretty sure it's supposed to be able to "see in the dark," no? Thanks for the updates Victor. |
As expected, a very exhaustive and professional review, Victor. Thank you for your effort!
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Thank you, it's been a VERY interesting review and much work as you can tell. Vic |
Victor Di Cosola
Tactical Night Vision Company - TNVC
www.tacticalnightvision.com
[email protected]
(909) 659-2842
"Fear Not the Night, But Fear What Hunts the Night"
Tactical Night Vision Company - TNVC
www.tacticalnightvision.com
[email protected]
(909) 659-2842
"Fear Not the Night, But Fear What Hunts the Night"
This is EXACTLY what I was thinking on all counts, except I was thinking 'stock manipulation' instead of 'false advertising'. |
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