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Posted: 7/16/2024 3:57:15 PM EDT
It would have to be neutered for 922r and a domestic folding stock would be problematic to manufacture.
But, damn that would be cool. They are iconic and keep going up in price. The M4 clones have definitely been good sellers for people that want a representative piece for their collection. Same people would likely buy a SPAS. And for those of us that have actually used a SPAS, make it actually easy to use. |
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Posted: 7/16/2024 4:51:51 PM EDT
[#1]
Yeah....the SPAS-15.
Tony |
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Posted: 7/16/2024 5:29:43 PM EDT
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Wouldn't it be banned, like the SPAS and Streetsweeper?
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Posted: 7/16/2024 6:29:46 PM EDT
[Last Edit: FADALdude]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By motoguzzi: Wouldn't it be banned, like the SPAS and Streetsweeper? They went after “revolving cylinder shotguns” with the Streetsweeper. SPAS12 was by name IIRC. SPAS15 would be even better. Turkey probably surpassed Russia a while ago when it came to number of mag feed shotguns exported. And in that vein, they should also clone the Valtro. As long as the magazines were 100% that would sell well in ban states. |
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GA, USA
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Posted: 7/17/2024 4:04:34 PM EDT
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Yes to the SPAS 12
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Posted: 7/21/2024 8:36:16 AM EDT
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I already have a real SPAS-12 with the folding stock. (as well as it's siblings, the LAW-12 and SAS-12)
But I would be down for a turk SPAS-15!   
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USA
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Posted: 7/21/2024 2:19:12 PM EDT
[#6]
Uuugghhhhh…..
 Holy cow! Very, very nice collection there!!! You should be a beta tester if the Turkey- SPAS 15 comes out! |
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Posted: 7/21/2024 2:25:22 PM EDT
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I thought I did well selling my SPAS12 for 150.00
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Posted: 7/22/2024 6:57:50 AM EDT
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I had a thread in SDS/MAC Industry Page where I suggested what retro-inspired guns we want and suggested a SPAS clone - even if it was just pump or semi- not convertible so it would be SPAS look-alike. The Turks are not shy about borrowing designs and the SPAS has got to be the most overly celebrated shotgun in movies/video games.
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Posted: 7/22/2024 6:59:26 AM EDT
[Last Edit: FoxValleyTacDriver]
[#9]
Would be neat
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Posted: 7/22/2024 7:01:33 AM EDT
[Last Edit: FoxValleyTacDriver]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By motoguzzi: Wouldn't it be banned, like the SPAS and Streetsweeper? No. And I'm also curious to see whether chevron deference applies to the street sweeper. Didn't the ATF classify it as a destructive device when it clearly doesn't meet the definition? We might get those back like we did bump stocks. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 7/22/2024 8:12:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jeeps-And-Guns: I already have a real SPAS-12 with the folding stock. (as well as it's siblings, the LAW-12 and SAS-12) But I would be down for a turk SPAS-15! https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53001700323_9376a6060f_b.jpg https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53001226086_10c1947a2a_b.jpg https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53001375239_8c005cf8cc_b.jpg  Nice collection man, just a little jealous. |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 7/23/2024 9:30:01 AM EDT
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I love mine, even though they’re quirky, impractical, and definitely wouldn’t use it for serious work. I would be for a paired down clone of the 12, and I’d definitely go for a SPAS-15. If they did a semi-only and deleted the holding down the bolt release to load the mag tube, I think it would be a bit better.
  
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OH, USA
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Posted: 7/23/2024 9:35:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By coldair: I thought I did well selling my SPAS12 for 150.00 $150?!?! |
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Posted: 7/23/2024 9:50:35 AM EDT
[Last Edit: KitBuilder]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By chemcmndr: $150?!?! Yeah wut?  Weren’t they more than that when first offered in the U.S. in the 80s? I thought I did good buying one (SPAS-12 factory folder) for $1100 in 2013. They go for stupid money now. Not a good shotgun, but iconic and it looks awesome. Turks sorta cloned the Benelli M3 a while back, but it wasn’t selling, even at the ~$250 closeout price. Not aesthetically the same though. Looks matter. The M3 has a better pump/auto transition system, but I think an exact SPAS-12 clone would be far more popular. Those kinds of dual action shotguns never gained general popularity amongst their intended market anyway. It’s just as fast to work the charging handle on a normal semi-auto (maybe faster). Interestingly Australia did just buy some M3 models, but I think they want to do mostly less lethal with them. Also US Army SF had the M3 way back (before M1014 came out, I think). It might’ve been @Combat_Diver who posted pics of issued shotguns. Unsure of their reasoning for wanting the M3. So in summary I think they’d sell enough SPAS 100% clones to US consumers to warrant the tooling setup (compared to the myriad of other random shotgun models Turks produce, anyway.) |
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Posted: 7/23/2024 1:24:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KitBuilder: Yeah wut? Weren’t they more than that when first offered in the U.S. in the 80s? I thought I did good buying one (SPAS-12 factory folder) for $1100 in 2013. They go for stupid money now. Not a good shotgun, but iconic and it looks awesome. Turks sorta cloned the Benelli M3 a while back, but it wasn’t selling, even at the ~$250 closeout price. Not aesthetically the same though. Looks matter. The M3 has a better pump/auto transition system, but I think an exact SPAS-12 clone would be far more popular. Those kinds of dual action shotguns never gained general popularity amongst their intended market anyway. It’s just as fast to work the charging handle on a normal semi-auto (maybe faster). Interestingly Australia did just buy some M3 models, but I think they want to do mostly less lethal with them. Also US Army SF had the M3 way back (before M1014 came out, I think). It might’ve been @Combat_Diver who posted pics of issued shotguns. Unsure of their reasoning for wanting the M3. So in summary I think they’d sell enough SPAS 100% clones to US consumers to warrant the tooling setup (compared to the myriad of other random shotgun models Turks produce, anyway.) These were NOT used by US SOF but by Czech paras co located with us in Astan 2018. Had to wait to after work to dig thru my laptop.  Attached File Attached File Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 7/23/2024 10:28:49 PM EDT
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I’d buy one just for the cool factor. I keep holding out hope that the Turks will make a 1897 Trench gun clone. I missed the Norinco clones years ago.
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Posted: 7/23/2024 11:24:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Combat_Diver: These were NOT used by US SOF but by Czech paras co located with us in Astan 2018. Had to wait to after work to dig thru my laptop. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/32677/IMG_5760_JPG-3274919.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/32677/IMG_5761_JPG-3274920.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/32677/IMG_5762_JPG-3274921.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/32677/IMG_5769_JPG-3274922.JPG Do you have any idea why they wanted a dual-action shotgun? |
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Posted: 7/24/2024 2:39:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KitBuilder: Ah, thanks. My mistake. Do you have any idea why they wanted a dual-action shotgun? They didn't say |
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Posted: 7/24/2024 6:40:17 AM EDT
[Last Edit: clickclickBOOM]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By chemcmndr: $150?!?! Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By chemcmndr: Originally Posted By coldair: I thought I did well selling my SPAS12 for 150.00 $150?!?! Someone offered me $400.00 for my SPAS12’s hook! Just the hook lol. I’m glad I bought buffers and springs back in the day, many folks don’t know that your buffer will breakdown after a bunch of rounds and crack your receiver. I did the safety upgrade too. I still kept the deadly safety around as a novelty. |
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Posted: 7/24/2024 8:32:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By clickclickBOOM: Someone offered me $400.00 for my SPAS12’s hook! Just the hook lol. I’m glad I bought buffers and springs back in the day, many folks don’t know that your buffer will breakdown after a bunch of rounds and crack your receiver. I did the safety upgrade too. I still kept the deadly safety around as a novelty. You can get buffers now from midway. People are 3d printing them as well. You can get the one for the stock on gunbroker. buffer |
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Posted: 7/26/2024 8:08:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Crash1433: You can get buffers now from midway. People are 3d printing them as well. You can get the one for the stock on gunbroker. buffer Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Crash1433: Originally Posted By clickclickBOOM: Someone offered me $400.00 for my SPAS12’s hook! Just the hook lol. I’m glad I bought buffers and springs back in the day, many folks don’t know that your buffer will breakdown after a bunch of rounds and crack your receiver. I did the safety upgrade too. I still kept the deadly safety around as a novelty. You can get buffers now from midway. People are 3d printing them as well. You can get the one for the stock on gunbroker. buffer Good to know. Thanks! |
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Posted: 7/26/2024 8:16:17 AM EDT
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Turkey needs to clone the spas-15
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Posted: 7/28/2024 9:38:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Crash1433: You can get buffers now from midway. People are 3d printing them as well. You can get the one for the stock on gunbroker. buffer The buffer in my SPAS was still there, but I replaced it with one made by one of the SPAS12 websites back in the day (I have owned it for close to 20 years). When I got my LAW-12 last year, it also still had the buffer, but it fell apart when I took the gun down to clean it. I replaced it with the power custom one. The SAS-12 (pump action only) has the spot in the receiver for one, but being pump action, it never came with one. However the bolt still hits the back of the receiver when you cycle it. So I went ahead and put one of the power custom buffers in it. It does not effect feed or function at all and adds a little cushion to it when you pump it (and a little piece of mind). |
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Posted: 7/28/2024 9:43:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryYES. The rarest of the rare for Franchi shotguns. The SPAS-15 is the clone that needs to be made. But the SPAS12 is the most recognizable and widely known and popular. You would be hard pressed to find someone who does not at least recognize the SPAS12. Movies and video game as made it so popular, I am honestly surprised no one has tried to clone it yet. |
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Posted: 7/28/2024 9:57:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jeeps-And-Guns: YES. The rarest of the rare for Franchi shotguns. The SPAS-15 is the clone that needs to be made. But the SPAS12 is the most recognizable and widely known and popular. You would be hard pressed to find someone who does not at least recognize the SPAS12. Movies and video game as made it so popular, I am honestly surprised no one has tried to clone it yet. I agree - Even if it was semi-auto only using the common Turk actions they already make with an exterior made to resemble a SPAS. The Franchi patents are so old they are likely expired and could make a clone, but the action is not ideal. |
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Posted: 7/28/2024 10:07:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MK318: I’d buy one just for the cool factor. I keep holding out hope that the Turks will make a 1897 Trench gun clone. I missed the Norinco clones years ago. That would be one I would be interested in. Kinda surprised they have not tried to clone those yet either. |
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Posted: 7/29/2024 7:32:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jeeps-And-Guns: That would be one I would be interested in. Kinda surprised they have not tried to clone those yet either. They literally made a gun the called the "1897 Trench" however it was an Ithaca 37 clone, It looked okay but not an 1897! TPAS pump.   RIA Trench Gun - 1897 TPAS 12ga Review |
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Posted: 8/26/2024 10:06:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By chemcmndr: I love mine, even though they’re quirky, impractical, and definitely wouldn’t use it for serious work. I would be for a paired down clone of the 12, and I’d definitely go for a SPAS-15. If they did a semi-only and deleted the holding down the bolt release to load the mag tube, I think it would be a bit better. https://i.imgur.com/GrPa7RH.jpg https://i.imgur.com/2SevkqN.jpg https://i.imgur.com/B209nBe.jpg Nice collection! That receiver is intriguing and looks awful lonely…:hopefully a parts kit makes it your way. |
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Posted: 8/26/2024 10:07:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Combat_Diver: These were NOT used by US SOF but by Czech paras co located with us in Astan 2018. Had to wait to after work to dig thru my laptop. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/32677/IMG_5760_JPG-3274919.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/32677/IMG_5761_JPG-3274920.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/32677/IMG_5762_JPG-3274921.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/32677/IMG_5769_JPG-3274922.JPG Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Combat_Diver: Originally Posted By KitBuilder: Yeah wut? Weren’t they more than that when first offered in the U.S. in the 80s? I thought I did good buying one (SPAS-12 factory folder) for $1100 in 2013. They go for stupid money now. Not a good shotgun, but iconic and it looks awesome. Turks sorta cloned the Benelli M3 a while back, but it wasn’t selling, even at the ~$250 closeout price. Not aesthetically the same though. Looks matter. The M3 has a better pump/auto transition system, but I think an exact SPAS-12 clone would be far more popular. Those kinds of dual action shotguns never gained general popularity amongst their intended market anyway. It’s just as fast to work the charging handle on a normal semi-auto (maybe faster). Interestingly Australia did just buy some M3 models, but I think they want to do mostly less lethal with them. Also US Army SF had the M3 way back (before M1014 came out, I think). It might’ve been @Combat_Diver who posted pics of issued shotguns. Unsure of their reasoning for wanting the M3. So in summary I think they’d sell enough SPAS 100% clones to US consumers to warrant the tooling setup (compared to the myriad of other random shotgun models Turks produce, anyway.) These were NOT used by US SOF but by Czech paras co located with us in Astan 2018. Had to wait to after work to dig thru my laptop. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/32677/IMG_5760_JPG-3274919.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/32677/IMG_5761_JPG-3274920.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/32677/IMG_5762_JPG-3274921.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/32677/IMG_5769_JPG-3274922.JPG CMMG had surplus top folding M3s ~10 years ago for less than $1,000. Biggest gun regret I have. |
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Posted: 8/26/2024 10:10:54 AM EDT
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Has anyone suggested a modern incarnation of the Lemats to Turkey? They should.
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Posted: 8/26/2024 10:11:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cherenkov: They literally made a gun the called the "1897 Trench" however it was an Ithaca 37 clone, It looked okay but not an 1897! TPAS pump. https://f.hubspotusercontent40.net/hubfs/559399/22-Armscor-256051_TPAS%20Product_Web%20Images_2.png  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFbDIeC7k1gQuote HistoryOriginally Posted By cherenkov: Originally Posted By Jeeps-And-Guns: That would be one I would be interested in. Kinda surprised they have not tried to clone those yet either. They literally made a gun the called the "1897 Trench" however it was an Ithaca 37 clone, It looked okay but not an 1897! TPAS pump. https://f.hubspotusercontent40.net/hubfs/559399/22-Armscor-256051_TPAS%20Product_Web%20Images_2.png https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFbDIeC7k1gWow another huge retro gun possibility: Non-NFA Stakeout clones based on the Turk Ithaca 37 clone. They already import a Shockwave clone. |
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Posted: 8/26/2024 10:53:50 AM EDT
[Last Edit: eric496]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FoxValleyTacDriver: No. And I'm also curious to see whether chevron deference applies to the street sweeper. Didn't the ATF classify it as a destructive device when it clearly doesn't meet the definition? We might get those back like we did bump stocks. IIRC, all 10, 12, 16, 20 and 28 gauge shotguns meet the definition of destructive device but they are exempt because they're used for "sporting purposes". That exemption was revoked for the street sweeper and SPAS 12. |
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Posted: 8/26/2024 12:18:15 PM EDT
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I just want someone to make a clone of the old 870 Mk.1 bayonet mount bracket. It's 2 pieces of crudely bent sheet steel and some screws, why is it so hard to get?
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Posted: 8/26/2024 8:58:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By eric496: IIRC, all 10, 12, 16, 20 and 28 gauge shotguns meet the definition of destructive device but they are exempt because they're used for "sporting purposes". That exemption was revoked for the street sweeper and SPAS 12. I think it was the Street Sweeper & the USAS-12. The SPAS hung on for a bit longer until the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban. |
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Posted: 8/26/2024 9:01:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FADALdude: Nice collection! That receiver is intriguing and looks awful lonely…:hopefully a parts kit makes it your way. Thank you! Yeah, the receiver was from someone drilling the first SPAS receiver for some old Aimpoint optic. I found a receiver on Gunbroker and swapped the furniture over. Now I have a stripped receiver. I thought about piecing it back together, but the individual parts would cost more than a complete gun… |
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Posted: 8/26/2024 9:04:02 PM EDT
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I grew up watching Terminator, T2, Jurassic Park, Robocop, Miami Vice and every other movie where if there was a shotgun, it was a SPAS-12.
Have always wanted to buy one, but couldn't stomach paying what they bring for a safe queen. I'd definitely buy a Turkish one. 
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AL, USA
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Posted: 9/1/2024 12:45:51 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Dbnd]
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https://forums.benelliusa.com/topic/26256-spas-12-inspired-forendhandguard/
Do what this guy was attempting to do and clone the old top folder. Stick it on the M3 clone the Turks were already making and SDS previously imported. |
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Posted: 9/1/2024 7:58:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By eric496: IIRC, all 10, 12, 16, 20 and 28 gauge shotguns meet the definition of destructive device but they are exempt because they're used for "sporting purposes". That exemption was revoked for the street sweeper and SPAS 12. The SPAS sporting exemption was not revoked. If it was, then they would be destructive devices and need a tax stamp to own. You do not need a tax stamp to own a SPAS. You DO need a tax stamp to own a street sweeper. They simply stopped the SPAS from being imported. |
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