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Hey guys, I’m an home based FFL doing lots of transfers (incoming shipped to). My question is actually shipping out with USPS. I’ve had no less the 25 emails and phone calls and no one can definitively give me in writing the exact process. Yes I’ve been to the actual post office, have spoken with the post master and head person at the local office. The head person at the p/o said one of the other ffl they deal with here locally has them picked up. So my issue is, if I box a handgun setup postage and what not in priority mail, it’s legal and no ammo and am going to have the weapon picked up - if I fill out the 1508 form will the carrier sign the bottoms of it when they pick it up, will they scan it when picking it up, will they give me any type of receiptt that it’s been picked up? The phone rep I’ve been dealing with (and the only one that actually calls me back and has been great at trying to get me the info) says probably not but it falls on the integrity of the carrier to transport and bring it back to the post office. Just thinking how a lawyer would be should something happen or it go missing, “CAN U PROVE YOU GAVE THE CARRIER THE PACKAGE”? “Can u prove you signed the 1508 and gave it to the carrier”? As of now, other than maybe dropping it off at the post office itself the answer would be no. I get ups and fedex weapons all the time, but usps seems to be the most common carrier bringing them in from other ffls for customers. What do u guys do? Thanks |
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I take all outgoing handguns to the PO and hand them the form with the package. What they do with the form is their business. My PO stamps them and does "something" with them. I've heard other POs just toss them. Not my concern. I don't know how pickups would work. Surely you don't leave a gun out in your mailbox for pickup. Does the carrier come to your door to get pickups? If so, seems you'd just hand them the package and the form. The carrier is as able to handle an outgoing gun package as they would be to handle an incoming one. Again, what they do with the form once you hand it to them is not your problem. Assuming you're using flat rate, as you should, you have tracking info available once it gets scanned. |
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Originally Posted By Pipeandwire: Hey guys, I’m an home based FFL doing lots of transfers (incoming shipped to). My question is actually shipping out with USPS. I’ve had no less the 25 emails and phone calls and no one can definitively give me in writing the exact process. Rifles and shotguns: Print label, tape up box, drop off at any post office. Handguns and other concealable firearms: Print label, tape up box, Fill out a USPS Form 1508, drop off box and 1508 at any post office. Anything else isn't required by USPS regs. Yes I’ve been to the actual post office, have spoken with the post master and head person at the local office. The head person at the p/o said one of the other ffl they deal with here locally has them picked up. You could too. So my issue is, if I box a handgun setup postage and what not in priority mail, it’s legal and no ammo and am going to have the weapon picked up - if I fill out the 1508 form will the carrier sign the bottoms of it when they pick it up, will they scan it when picking it up, will they give me any type of receiptt that it’s been picked up? You don't keep the 1508, USPS does. No USPS reg requires you to have a copy. In fifteen years I've never had a receipt. Don't need one. I'm on camera when I drop off packages at the post office. The phone rep I’ve been dealing with (and the only one that actually calls me back and has been great at trying to get me the info) says probably not but it falls on the integrity of the carrier to transport and bring it back to the post office. Just thinking how a lawyer would be should something happen or it go missing, “CAN U PROVE YOU GAVE THE CARRIER THE PACKAGE”? “Can u prove you signed the 1508 and gave it to the carrier”? As of now, other than maybe dropping it off at the post office itself the answer would be no. And??? You have a cell phone? Video him as he waddles away. I get ups and fedex weapons all the time, but usps seems to be the most common carrier bringing them in from other ffls for customers. What do u guys do? Thanks I don't worry too much about it. |
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Carriers don't carry postmark stamps so the form would be incomplete if you have them pick it up, not really a big deal. The big deal is the carrier understands the package is a firearm AND scans the the tracking barcode under "prepaid acceptance". A lot of carriers are hurried, don't bring their scanner in with them, etc. Make sure they properly scan the package. Occasionally the wireless of the scanners does not upload and the tracking information won't be updated until they cradle the scanner at end of shift, so I'd make sure I see them scan it. |
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Originally Posted By JohnSmith6073: Carriers don't carry postmark stamps so the form would be incomplete if you have them pick it up.... All that USPS regs require is that the dealer or manufacturer submit the 1508. You could tape the Form 1508 to the side of the box and drop it off. |
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I appreciate all the input guys.. thank you very much. The post office told me other ffl’s in the area have theirs picked up but she couldn’t tell me what the process was or what was happening with the 1508. One rep on the phone said it had to be picked up, so again I’m not getting the same information consistently and no one will put it in writing or in an email. I would say 50% of the transfers I do come in usps. And those telling me to take it there, yes I get it but it adds another 45 minutes to an hour of my time. If a pickup is going to work legally it would profit me by not have to bring it in myself. |
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Originally Posted By Jodan1776: I take all outgoing handguns to the PO and hand them the form with the package. What they do with the form is their business. My PO stamps them and does "something" with them. I've heard other POs just toss them. Not my concern. I don't know how pickups would work. Surely you don't leave a gun out in your mailbox for pickup. Does the carrier come to your door to get pickups? If so, seems you'd just hand them the package and the form. The carrier is as able to handle an outgoing gun package as they would be to handle an incoming one. Again, what they do with the form once you hand it to them is not your problem. Assuming you're using flat rate, as you should, you have tracking info available once it gets scanned. That’s one of my concerns as to whether or not it gets scanned as they pick it up or once it gets to the po. I want it scanned the minute it leaves my hands, and no I wouldn’t leave it on my porch. |
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Originally Posted By Pipeandwire: I appreciate all the input guys.. thank you very much. The post office told me other ffl’s in the area have theirs picked up but she couldn’t tell me what the process was Originally Posted By Pipeandwire: I appreciate all the input guys.. thank you very much. The post office told me other ffl’s in the area have theirs picked up but she couldn’t tell me what the process was  Click on "Quick Tools", then "Schedule a Pickup" or what was happening with the 1508. What happens with the 1508 is not your concern. The form tells the postmaster to retain for one year. One rep on the phone said it had to be picked up, Have you read the USPS regs on mailing firearms? so again I’m not getting the same information consistently and no one will put it in writing or in an email. It IS in writing. Read the link above. |
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| My local post office was a nightmare the one time I tried to use them to ship(at the buyers request) guy looked at me like I was nuts when I got to the counter and told him it was a gun and showed him the FFL it was going to, he went back and talked to his Supervisor and came back and told me the gun would have to be completely disassembled, I told him Thanks and took it 5 minutes down the road to my local UPS depot and shipped it no problem. |
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Originally Posted By Smallmouth: My local post office was a nightmare the one time I tried to use them to ship(at the buyers request) guy looked at me like I was nuts when I got to the counter and told him it was a gun and showed him the FFL it was going to, he went back and talked to his Supervisor and came back and told me the gun would have to be completely disassembled, I told him Thanks and took it 5 minutes down the road to my local UPS depot and shipped it no problem. Ever occur to you to look up the USPS regs for shipping firearms? That will help you tremendously. 
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Originally Posted By Smallmouth: My local post office was a nightmare the one time I tried to use them to ship(at the buyers request) guy looked at me like I was nuts when I got to the counter and told him it was a gun and showed him the FFL it was going to, he went back and talked to his Supervisor and came back and told me the gun would have to be completely disassembled, I told him Thanks and took it 5 minutes down the road to my local UPS depot and shipped it no problem. I have only met 2 postal employees in my entire life who correctly knew the regs. At least 3 Postmasters didnt. |
| I take the boxed up gun to the post office along with the form 1508. I always ship insured, so I get a tracking number that I can check online. The post office that you drop the shipment at should could that 1508 on file in their post office for whatever the required time is for USPS. You could also get buy the service to require signature upon delivery if you feel you need that service. |
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