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Posted: 4/17/2026 3:10:27 AM EDT
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I had never done one before, so I used SilencerShop for the paperwork, no big deal, and the gun itself is pretty cheap originally, nothing special, PSA PA-15. It's getting engraved/stock assembled right now. I lack the vise and tool to attach a correct stock.
One of the things I was interested in was actually having this available for HD use, being short and handy...but I think I screwed up because I got it as an Individual, not a trust. So, if I have this right, I could conceivably have it on my side of the bed at night, but when I get up, since my wife and son aren't on the paperwork, I would have to lock it in a safe they do not have the combo to before I left the house, is that correct? This makes it kind of a pain in the patoot. So, if I am correct, since leaving it out would constitute constructive possession, can I convert it to a trust? Everyone who lives here is an adult and perfectly legal to own firearms. Or once engraved as an individual, is that where it stays? Tiny backstory - I bought this as a pistol because PSA Daily Deals...it was so cheap and I had this disposable income...and then discovered it was not fun to shoot at all. So when the stamps went to zero, I decided, what the heck. Even with the cost of paperwork, stock set, engraving and such, total $ in it is a couple of hairs over $600. Thoughts? |
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Originally Posted By armoredman: I didn't know I could do that, extremely new to the whole NFA game. Heck, I will have to research how to MAKE a trust. This place makes it super simple. https://www.nationalguntrusts.com/ |
| As long as the use of the firearm is lawful, who cares? That's even mentioned in the form "all lawful purposes". Now if you made 87 SBR's and had them in a storage locker that other members of your cell had access? That might be an issue. The lawful possession of an NFA item is just not a legal issue unless you've gone and done something monumentally stupid and they decide to try to play "stack the charges". |
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Originally Posted By jaqufrost: Nobody gives a crap if your wife has access to your SBR in your house. If it really bugs you, transfer it to the trust for free. The transfer will be on a form 4 and you don't have to re-mark it. QFT ...... It seems to have only become an "issue" when the people selling you their trusts said it was |
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Originally Posted By KYSPIKED: I would write a letter to the AFT and ask them.  |
"The answer to crime is always cows." -Cheesebeast
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Originally Posted By armoredman: One of the things I was interested in was actually having this available for HD use, being short and handy...but I think I screwed up because I got it as an Individual, not a trust. So, if I have this right, I could conceivably have it on my side of the bed at night, but when I get up, since my wife and son aren't on the paperwork, I would have to lock it in a safe they do not have the combo to before I left the house, is that correct? You’re LE right? Constructive possession in this scenario works exactly like constructive possession of a CDS pill bottle. You can leave those on any flat surface in your bedroom (or anywhere in the whole house) and that’s perfectly fine. There’s no legal requirement to own a safe or anything. If the ATF (or DEA, whoever) wants to show up and charge your 18 year old son with constructive possession, you simply make a statement that it’s yours, and you left it there, and you were in possession and not them. Problem solved. You won’t have to solve anything because there’s no problem. If they use it in a home defense scenario that’s an extenuating circumstance. Could they be charged? Probably. Will they be? Idk about your jurisdiction, but around here they wouldn’t be. If they’re innocent of manslaughter (due to self-defense) then the state would have to prove they had criminal intent for the unlawful possession. |
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Originally Posted By flcracker: Originally Posted By armoredman: I didn't know I could do that, extremely new to the whole NFA game. Heck, I will have to research how to MAKE a trust. This place makes it super simple. https://www.nationalguntrusts.com/ $60 doesn’t seem too bad. I should do this. If I want to transfer my INDIVIDUAL suppressors to a new trust, do I need to get E fingerprints? Same question, but if i want to convert a rifle to an SBR and have it in the trust, do I need any E fingerprints? |
The Emperor is naked.
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Originally Posted By DD1801:$60 doesn't seem too bad. I should do this. If I want to transfer my INDIVIDUAL suppressors to a new trust, do I need to get E fingerprints? Same question, but if i want to convert a rifle to an SBR and have it in the trust, do I need any E fingerprints? You'll either need an eft file or print cards that you mail in each time. An eft file makes the process much easier. |
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Originally Posted By flcracker: Originally Posted By armoredman: I didn't know I could do that, extremely new to the whole NFA game. Heck, I will have to research how to MAKE a trust. This place makes it super simple. https://www.nationalguntrusts.com/ Also, I can't seem to find any feedback on them here. I've only found two other threads that mention them. Kind of makes me a little leery. |
The Emperor is naked.
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Originally Posted By DD1801: Also, I can't seem to find any feedback on them here. I've only found two other threads that mention them. Kind of makes me a little leery. Originally Posted By DD1801: Originally Posted By flcracker: Originally Posted By armoredman: I didn't know I could do that, extremely new to the whole NFA game. Heck, I will have to research how to MAKE a trust. This place makes it super simple. https://www.nationalguntrusts.com/ Also, I can't seem to find any feedback on them here. I've only found two other threads that mention them. Kind of makes me a little leery. I'm retarded when it comes to legal stuff but still figured it out. They're pretty well known and have a good reputation. I had a couple stupid questions and got a response within an hour... On Christmas Day. |
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Originally Posted By spyderboy03: You'll either need an eft file or print cards that you mail in each time. An eft file makes the process much easier. Originally Posted By spyderboy03: Originally Posted By DD1801:$60 doesn't seem too bad. I should do this. If I want to transfer my INDIVIDUAL suppressors to a new trust, do I need to get E fingerprints? Same question, but if i want to convert a rifle to an SBR and have it in the trust, do I need any E fingerprints? You'll either need an eft file or print cards that you mail in each time. An eft file makes the process much easier. Cool, thank you. Originally Posted By RolandofGilead: Originally Posted By DD1801: Originally Posted By flcracker: Originally Posted By armoredman: I didn't know I could do that, extremely new to the whole NFA game. Heck, I will have to research how to MAKE a trust. This place makes it super simple. https://www.nationalguntrusts.com/ Also, I can't seem to find any feedback on them here. I've only found two other threads that mention them. Kind of makes me a little leery. I'm retarded when it comes to legal stuff but still figured it out. They're pretty well known and have a good reputation. I had a couple stupid questions and got a response within an hour... On Christmas Day. Thank you. :) |
The Emperor is naked.
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Originally Posted By DD1801: Also, I can't seem to find any feedback on them here. I've only found two other threads that mention them. Kind of makes me a little leery. Originally Posted By DD1801: Originally Posted By flcracker: Originally Posted By armoredman: I didn't know I could do that, extremely new to the whole NFA game. Heck, I will have to research how to MAKE a trust. This place makes it super simple. https://www.nationalguntrusts.com/ Also, I can't seem to find any feedback on them here. I've only found two other threads that mention them. Kind of makes me a little leery. National Gun Trusts is GTG. |
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Originally Posted By trails-end: National Gun Trusts is GTG. Originally Posted By trails-end: Originally Posted By DD1801: Originally Posted By flcracker: Originally Posted By armoredman: I didn't know I could do that, extremely new to the whole NFA game. Heck, I will have to research how to MAKE a trust. This place makes it super simple. https://www.nationalguntrusts.com/ Also, I can't seem to find any feedback on them here. I've only found two other threads that mention them. Kind of makes me a little leery. National Gun Trusts is GTG. Thumbs_up.gif |
The Emperor is naked.
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Originally Posted By armoredman: I had never done one before, so I used SilencerShop for the paperwork, ..... Now log into your eForms account ( not your SS acount) using Firefox. Go to your approved Form 1, go to the electdronic documents tab and download your eft file, that's the file with your fingerprints. Once you have downloaded that you can file your own Form 1's without paying SS $50. |
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