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Posted: 7/12/2024 3:01:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By marnsdorff: I kick myself for selling all my ALICE packs years ago. The otherwise excellent Tactical Tailor ALICE frame is incapable of doing so, unfortunately. I live near "brackish" water, which means it is kinda salty. I have an MSR "Water-Maker" which will "make" fresh water out of full-salted ocean water. I need a way to transport a 5-gal can of "brackish" water to my place so I can use the "water-maker" to de-salinize the water. The ALICE pack frame, with "suitable" shoulder strap and waistbelt upgrades works well for that purpose. |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 7/12/2024 3:13:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Shootindave: An observation on belt kit / webbing pouches; I think the Spiritus Mutant pouch is a pretty good starting point, for a concept that can be expanded upon. It is becoming more common, for more individuals in a team, to carry a handheld radio. The integrated side pouch on the Mutant does this well, in these platforms using the “between pouches” area to add a radio is great. I would like to see more of this concept. The DZ rig gives you a couple rows/columns of molle , but this is lacking for a radio pouch. I use them for pouches for quick access items like a red light and mosquito head net that are smaller. I mount my radio on my left rear-most mag pouch, between the mag pouch and the canteen pouch. (This is the pouch my IFAK is in) Right now I use a USGI flashbang pouch for a baofeng, and I have a regular radio pouch for a 152 or something should I end up with one. |
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Posted: 7/12/2024 4:28:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By raf: ALICE packs easy to obtain. Decent GI ALICE pack frames also. The thing is, as I've mentioned before along with others, is that only GI Alice pack frames have the capability, with auxiliary GI metal shelves, to tote large objects like 5-gal water/fuel cans and multiple ammo cans. All these items require suitable horizontal securing straps. The otherwise excellent Tactical Tailor ALICE frame is incapable of doing so, unfortunately. I live near "brackish" water, which means it is kinda salty. I have an MSR "Water-Maker" which will "make" fresh water out of full-salted ocean water. I need a way to transport a 5-gal can of "brackish" water to my place so I can use the "water-maker" to de-salinize the water. The ALICE pack frame, with "suitable" shoulder strap and waistbelt upgrades works well for that purpose. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By raf: Originally Posted By marnsdorff: I kick myself for selling all my ALICE packs years ago. The otherwise excellent Tactical Tailor ALICE frame is incapable of doing so, unfortunately. I live near "brackish" water, which means it is kinda salty. I have an MSR "Water-Maker" which will "make" fresh water out of full-salted ocean water. I need a way to transport a 5-gal can of "brackish" water to my place so I can use the "water-maker" to de-salinize the water. The ALICE pack frame, with "suitable" shoulder strap and waistbelt upgrades works well for that purpose. I have a 12V pump that can draw water from shallow sources, that is wired to run off my HF radio battery I will already have. I carry that in a small bag, that attaches to the Alice frame with cargo shelf, to hold the water can. Then i can processes the water away from the source. |
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Posted: 7/12/2024 5:29:52 PM EDT
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This may not be the best place to ask this question, but it's kind of related to the DZ rig. The whole rig looks pretty awesome, but has anyone seen where you can purchase just the magazine pouches individually? I have an event in mind where the mag pouches would come in handy, but I don't need the whole rig. Or, if anyone has ever seen another manufacturer produce a triple magazine pouch--in the same/similar configuration as the DZ pouches.
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Posted: 7/12/2024 5:51:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By raf: ALICE packs easy to obtain. Decent GI ALICE pack frames also. The thing is, as I've mentioned before along with others, is that only GI Alice pack frames have the capability, with auxiliary GI metal shelves, to tote large objects like 5-gal water/fuel cans and multiple ammo cans. All these items require suitable horizontal securing straps. The otherwise excellent Tactical Tailor ALICE frame is incapable of doing so, unfortunately. I live near "brackish" water, which means it is kinda salty. I have an MSR "Water-Maker" which will "make" fresh water out of full-salted ocean water. I need a way to transport a 5-gal can of "brackish" water to my place so I can use the "water-maker" to de-salinize the water. The ALICE pack frame, with "suitable" shoulder strap and waistbelt upgrades works well for that purpose. @raf Would you mind posting links or pics of the bits needed to take an ALICE frame and set it up for being a bipedal mule  I have my ALICE, Med, 1EA, from my 2004-05 deployment and while I’ve walked many miles with it, I’ve never been ‘fortunate’ enough to hump a 5gal water can with it. |
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Posted: 7/12/2024 5:58:13 PM EDT
[Last Edit: towerofpower94]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Shootindave: I have a 12V pump that can draw water from shallow sources, that is wired to run off my HF radio battery I will already have. I carry that in a small bag, that attaches to the Alice frame with cargo shelf, to hold the water can. Then i can processes the water away from the source. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Shootindave: Originally Posted By raf: Originally Posted By marnsdorff: I kick myself for selling all my ALICE packs years ago. The otherwise excellent Tactical Tailor ALICE frame is incapable of doing so, unfortunately. I live near "brackish" water, which means it is kinda salty. I have an MSR "Water-Maker" which will "make" fresh water out of full-salted ocean water. I need a way to transport a 5-gal can of "brackish" water to my place so I can use the "water-maker" to de-salinize the water. The ALICE pack frame, with "suitable" shoulder strap and waistbelt upgrades works well for that purpose. I have a 12V pump that can draw water from shallow sources, that is wired to run off my HF radio battery I will already have. I carry that in a small bag, that attaches to the Alice frame with cargo shelf, to hold the water can. Then i can processes the water away from the source. Would you mind posting up pics and details of that set up, here or in another thread? We have a small creek on our WV property and it gets pretty low if it hasn’t rained in a week. I have a gravity filter setup that would do well with the water, but collecting it 1/2 a cup at a time based on the shallow depth would be laborious, haha. Being able to pack along >5lbs of pump and tubing to fill a GI water can faster and easier would be nice. |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 7/12/2024 7:03:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Razzman1: This may not be the best place to ask this question, but it's kind of related to the DZ rig. The whole rig looks pretty awesome, but has anyone seen where you can purchase just the magazine pouches individually? I have an event in mind where the mag pouches would come in handy, but I don't need the whole rig. Or, if anyone has ever seen another manufacturer produce a triple magazine pouch--in the same/similar configuration as the DZ pouches. Thanks You're fine asking it here. Yea, Crossfire is coming out with individual pouches. I'm pretty sure ammo pouches will be included. Not sure when though. I make a similar-ish ammo pouch. 2 x triple AR mag pouches. The actual design is slightly different, and I use fastex buckles vs. the tuck-tab ones Diz designed. Crossfire's will be cheaper. |
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Posted: 7/12/2024 9:42:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Razzman1: This may not be the best place to ask this question, but it's kind of related to the DZ rig. The whole rig looks pretty awesome, but has anyone seen where you can purchase just the magazine pouches individually? I have an event in mind where the mag pouches would come in handy, but I don't need the whole rig. Or, if anyone has ever seen another manufacturer produce a triple magazine pouch--in the same/similar configuration as the DZ pouches. Thanks Maybe Nixieworks lightfighter pouches. I think someone had some in the EE in ranger green. |
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Posted: 7/12/2024 9:43:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By towerofpower94: Would you mind posting up pics and details of that set up, here or in another thread? We have a small creek on our WV property and it gets pretty low if it hasn’t rained in a week. I have a gravity filter setup that would do well with the water, but collecting it 1/2 a cup at a time based on the shallow depth would be laborious, haha. Being able to pack along >5lbs of pump and tubing to fill a GI water can faster and easier would be nice. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By towerofpower94: Originally Posted By Shootindave: Originally Posted By raf: Originally Posted By marnsdorff: I kick myself for selling all my ALICE packs years ago. The otherwise excellent Tactical Tailor ALICE frame is incapable of doing so, unfortunately. I live near "brackish" water, which means it is kinda salty. I have an MSR "Water-Maker" which will "make" fresh water out of full-salted ocean water. I need a way to transport a 5-gal can of "brackish" water to my place so I can use the "water-maker" to de-salinize the water. The ALICE pack frame, with "suitable" shoulder strap and waistbelt upgrades works well for that purpose. I have a 12V pump that can draw water from shallow sources, that is wired to run off my HF radio battery I will already have. I carry that in a small bag, that attaches to the Alice frame with cargo shelf, to hold the water can. Then i can processes the water away from the source. Would you mind posting up pics and details of that set up, here or in another thread? We have a small creek on our WV property and it gets pretty low if it hasn’t rained in a week. I have a gravity filter setup that would do well with the water, but collecting it 1/2 a cup at a time based on the shallow depth would be laborious, haha. Being able to pack along >5lbs of pump and tubing to fill a GI water can faster and easier would be nice. I will make a post on it as soon as I can. It is currently stored at a training location. (Aka I forgot it there) |
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Posted: 7/12/2024 11:41:16 PM EDT
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As I have started to build out my first official belt kit, it’s impacted my philosophy on other pieces of my set-up.
The primary piece of kit that’s been impacted has been my plate carrier. Prior to understanding belt kit, I wanted my JPC 2.0 to be able to: hold 7 mags, level 4 plates, soft side armor, radio, medical, admin, and hydration (if need be). WOW. Effectively I was asking it to accomplish two roles: ballistic protection AND complete load carriage. After understanding belt kit better, I’ve been able to shift most if not all of that to my waist. Now the JPC 2.0 will still be an integral part of my kit, but I’m easily able to wear it over my harness, and it’s having to do wayyyy less work. Really; I just keep a simple 3 mag shingle, soft side armor, TQ, (and radio in a side wing if need be). I am still from that COVID/modern era where I see it being very useful for me personally, but I am happy that it’s now living in it’s designed role for purely and primarily ballistic protection. I also think Adam Holroyd’s (of Spiritus Systems) approach of wearing a buttpack/sustainment pack on your rear, but keeping all of those items in a dry bag makes a lot of sense. His philosophy is that you can pull that out in a pinch and throw it in your Ruck. That space now is available for the ruck instead of needing to go wide like the Brit style. I’m still interested in getting a cheap medium Alice pack, but I do think I will try Adam’s approach because I think it’s essential for kit to properly pair with Rucks. I do not prefer the philosophy of not needing a ruck “because I have a buttpack!” |
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Posted: 7/13/2024 12:58:12 AM EDT
[Last Edit: WillieTangoFox]
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Any reason for wearing the harness under the armor?
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Posted: 7/13/2024 1:14:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Shootindave: Any reason for wearing the harness under the armor? For me personally, the harness is very thin (Carcajou yolk) so I like the idea of the belt being my base and plus’ing UP to armor instead of armor being my default and adding belt on top of that. Also, I think adding the belt/harness on top of a PC means I have to lengthen the harness a bit more to sit where I want because the added mass of the PC. Also adding a pack on top seems harder that way. This is all just instinctual personal opinion with little experience. |
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Posted: 7/13/2024 8:18:11 AM EDT
[Last Edit: raf]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By towerofpower94:@rafWould you mind posting links or pics of the bits needed to take an ALICE frame and set it up for being a bipedal mule I have my ALICE, Med, 1EA, from my 2004-05 deployment and while I''''''''ve walked many miles with it, I''''''''ve never been ''''''''fortunate'''''''' enough to hump a 5gal water can with it.Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By towerofpower94: Originally Posted By raf:ALICE packs easy to obtain. Decent GI ALICE pack frames also. The thing is, as I''''''''ve mentioned before along with others, is that only GI Alice pack frames have the capability, with auxiliary GI metal shelves, to tote large objects like 5-gal water/fuel cans and multiple ammo cans. All these items require suitable horizontal securing straps.The otherwise excellent Tactical Tailor ALICE frame is incapable of doing so, unfortunately.I live near "brackish" water, which means it is kinda salty. I have an MSR "Water-Maker" which will "make" fresh water out of full-salted ocean water. I need a way to transport a 5-gal can of "brackish" water to my place so I can use the "water-maker" to de-salinize the water.The ALICE pack frame, with "suitable" shoulder strap and waistbelt upgrades works well for that purpose. I have my ALICE, Med, 1EA, from my 2004-05 deployment and while I''''''''ve walked many miles with it, I''''''''ve never been ''''''''fortunate'''''''' enough to hump a 5gal water can with it.Mil used 1" wide length-adjustable OD green nylon straps with Metal "cam" levers, at least 2 per pack frame: See HERE. For 5-gal water/fuel cans use one shelf on the bottom. For multiple ammo cans use 2 shelves; one at bottom and one at middle cross brace. Cargo straps to suit the load. Beware of other cargo shelves intended for the GI plywood pack board load-carrier, and VN era lightweight rucksack frame-- won't fit ALICE frame. See also (scroll down and click on) small side pix of dual Cargo Shelf install HERE. This is the correct ALICE "Cargo Shelf". Shop around for items. @towerofpower94 |
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Posted: 7/13/2024 9:03:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Shootindave: Any reason for wearing the harness under the armor? Shoulder pocket clearance, mostly. Padded harness overtop of a padded plate carrier makes shouldering a rifle very annoying and inconsistent. Without padding on the PC straps, extra weight on top will make them cut into your shoulders something awful. I’ve also found that wearing the yoke under armor just ends up being more comfortable, keeps everything tight to the body. It is less convenient when having to get in/out of vehicles, though. I can wear the standard DZ yoke under a plate carrier, it works surprisingly well, and doubles as padding for the plate carrier straps, but still adds a bit more bulk over the shoulder pocket than I’d like. I’m planning on trying CF’s low pro yoke when it comes out. |
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Posted: 7/13/2024 9:45:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ct78: As I have started to build out my first official belt kit, it’s impacted my philosophy on other pieces of my set-up. The primary piece of kit that’s been impacted has been my plate carrier. Prior to understanding belt kit, I wanted my JPC 2.0 to be able to: hold 7 mags, level 4 plates, soft side armor, radio, medical, admin, and hydration (if need be). WOW. Effectively I was asking it to accomplish two roles: ballistic protection AND complete load carriage. After understanding belt kit better, I’ve been able to shift most if not all of that to my waist. Now the JPC 2.0 will still be an integral part of my kit, but I’m easily able to wear it over my harness, and it’s having to do wayyyy less work. Really; I just keep a simple 3 mag shingle, soft side armor, TQ, (and radio in a side wing if need be). I am still from that COVID/modern era where I see it being very useful for me personally, but I am happy that it’s now living in it’s designed role for purely and primarily ballistic protection. I also think Adam Holroyd’s (of Spiritus Systems) approach of wearing a buttpack/sustainment pack on your rear, but keeping all of those items in a dry bag makes a lot of sense. His philosophy is that you can pull that out in a pinch and throw it in your Ruck. That space now is available for the ruck instead of needing to go wide like the Brit style. I’m still interested in getting a cheap medium Alice pack, but I do think I will try Adam’s approach because I think it’s essential for kit to properly pair with Rucks. I do not prefer the philosophy of not needing a ruck “because I have a buttpack!” Yea, you're going to drastically re-think your whole gear approach once you start dabbling with belt kit. And you definitely need a ruck if you are running belt kit, even with a buttpack. Your buttpack isn't there for full on sustainment gear. |
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Posted: 7/13/2024 9:48:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By rb889: Shoulder pocket clearance, mostly. Padded harness overtop of a padded plate carrier makes shouldering a rifle very annoying and inconsistent. Without padding on the PC straps, extra weight on top will make them cut into your shoulders something awful. I’ve also found that wearing the yoke under armor just ends up being more comfortable, keeps everything tight to the body. It is less convenient when having to get in/out of vehicles, though. I can wear the standard DZ yoke under a plate carrier, it works surprisingly well, and doubles as padding for the plate carrier straps, but still adds a bit more bulk over the shoulder pocket than I’d like. I’m planning on trying CF’s low pro yoke when it comes out. If you are going to be wearing your belt kit predominantly with armor, it seems that wearing it under armor is the way to go? But that's from observations - I don't personally wear it with armor though. If I'm going to armor up, it's because I'm either permanently static or full on vehicle ops. And I'm going slim-line. I got back into belt kit specifically to deal with overheating issues in the hot, humid summer in the SE. Which means no armor. I'm not some door kicker, I know my place. |
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Posted: 7/13/2024 10:13:46 AM EDT
[Last Edit: WillieTangoFox]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By rb889: Shoulder pocket clearance, mostly. Padded harness overtop of a padded plate carrier makes shouldering a rifle very annoying and inconsistent. Without padding on the PC straps, extra weight on top will make them cut into your shoulders something awful. I’ve also found that wearing the yoke under armor just ends up being more comfortable, keeps everything tight to the body. It is less convenient when having to get in/out of vehicles, though. I can wear the standard DZ yoke under a plate carrier, it works surprisingly well, and doubles as padding for the plate carrier straps, but still adds a bit more bulk over the shoulder pocket than I’d like. I’m planning on trying CF’s low pro yoke when it comes out. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By rb889: Originally Posted By Shootindave: Any reason for wearing the harness under the armor? Shoulder pocket clearance, mostly. Padded harness overtop of a padded plate carrier makes shouldering a rifle very annoying and inconsistent. Without padding on the PC straps, extra weight on top will make them cut into your shoulders something awful. I’ve also found that wearing the yoke under armor just ends up being more comfortable, keeps everything tight to the body. It is less convenient when having to get in/out of vehicles, though. I can wear the standard DZ yoke under a plate carrier, it works surprisingly well, and doubles as padding for the plate carrier straps, but still adds a bit more bulk over the shoulder pocket than I’d like. I’m planning on trying CF’s low pro yoke when it comes out. Interesting. I own concealable soft armor, and have spent a lot of time having to wear armor in the past. I got caught a few times only wearing the carrier, due to heat, and ditching the panels. Lol. Worth it. I have zero plans to use hard armor in any context in the future, so I dont have any time with webbing with hard armor carriers. I kind of find it hard to conceptualize a field use case for myself, just based upon my own limited scope of experience. I am not walking anywhere wearing armor, webbing and a ruck. That is 100% certain. Shootindave gets too hot and thirsty. I view affective maneuvering to be 1000% more life saving than armor in my own context. |
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Posted: 7/13/2024 11:32:19 AM EDT
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I just ordered a second DZ rig.
It will be set up exactly as my first, as photos and contents show on page 54 of this thread. I have the Crossfire CF3 and one of my medium ALICE packs set up with typical ruck contents to go with this rig. The new DZ rig is going to be an experiment by adding a Haley Strategic “Heavy” chest rig (stock photo shown) an their Flat Pack. The chest rig will be good to add extra 25 round 7.62 mags and some commander pouch items, without adding much bulk or coverage in the heat. Reason for wanting to run the little extra gear in the chest rig is because I use 2 of the belt rig mag pouches for IFAK and food items. The Flat Pack will allow just enough shelter items and miscellaneous gear storage without the size and weight of a ruck. I would be more than comfortable in anything except the most extreme conditions/situations for at least 4 days and still be mobile enough without having to drop any gear unless caught in a rip tide. LOL  Attached File |
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Posted: 7/13/2024 2:26:18 PM EDT
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Been meaning to post back in here for a while, Here's the load out I've been using lately with my DZ rig for hiking and training with buddies.
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Posted: 7/13/2024 5:27:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BlackHills: Been meaning to post back in here for a while, Here's the load out I've been using lately with my DZ rig for hiking and training with buddies. https://i.imgur.com/aD7Tjvh.jpeg What’s the black thing between the kit and the Glock? Trigger guard cover so you can put the Glock in a mag pouch? |
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Posted: 7/13/2024 9:28:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By towerofpower94: What’s the black thing between the kit and the Glock? Trigger guard cover so you can put the Glock in a mag pouch? Basically. Raven concealment vanguard, or equivalent, just a kydex snap-on trigger guard with a lanyard attached for mexican IWB carry. Trigger guard pops off on the draw, snap it back on to re-holster. They even make light-bearing versions that are basically universal, great for this application. |
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Posted: 7/13/2024 9:57:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By marnsdorff: If you are going to be wearing your belt kit predominantly with armor, it seems that wearing it under armor is the way to go? But that's from observations - I don't personally wear it with armor though. If I'm going to armor up, it's because I'm either permanently static or full on vehicle ops. And I'm going slim-line. I got back into belt kit specifically to deal with overheating issues in the hot, humid summer in the SE. Which means no armor. I'm not some door kicker, I know my place. Makes sense. I figure armor makes the most sense when moving in urban areas, where camouflage is basically nonexistent, save for the trash ghillie suit, or “grey man” attire, if applicable. Soft armor would be weather/exertion and threat dependent; I figure if you’re going overt, your primary threats will probably be rifles, so soft armor may just be a waste of weight/exertion/annoyance. May be different in cities, it’s all relative. The moment camouflage becomes a viable option, it’s a better option than armor, IMO. A ghillie hood/poncho and/or camo netting weighs a lot less than rifle plates, and gives you more options than armor. And when it comes to weight investment, a bump helmet and nods are a lot more useful than armor, and moving at night makes your camouflage exponentially more effective |
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Posted: 7/14/2024 12:22:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By rb889: Basically. Raven concealment vanguard, or equivalent, just a kydex snap-on trigger guard with a lanyard attached for mexican IWB carry. Trigger guard pops off on the draw, snap it back on to re-holster. They even make light-bearing versions that are basically universal, great for this application. Yup. I do similar, though mine is a full AIWB holster that is paracorded to STAY in the mag pouch. Same idea though, either one works. It allows me to quickly swap out the holster / glock for more magazines or more support gear. AND let's me use the pistol concealed should I need to roll that way after dropping the belt kit. |
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Posted: 7/14/2024 12:24:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By rb889: Makes sense. I figure armor makes the most sense when moving in urban areas, where camouflage is basically nonexistent, save for the trash ghillie suit, or “grey man” attire, if applicable. Soft armor would be weather/exertion and threat dependent; I figure if you’re going overt, your primary threats will probably be rifles, so soft armor may just be a waste of weight/exertion/annoyance. May be different in cities, it’s all relative. The moment camouflage becomes a viable option, it’s a better option than armor, IMO. A ghillie hood/poncho and/or camo netting weighs a lot less than rifle plates, and gives you more options than armor. And when it comes to weight investment, a bump helmet and nods are a lot more useful than armor, and moving at night makes your camouflage exponentially more effective Ya, it's all a balancing act, pros and cons. Which is why I like the option of belt kit. AND full armor - I've got the full armor setup, all the 'cool guy HSLD' stuff. Which I basically never use, as I'm rural and have little need for it. Heck, I work from home and don't even get into my little rural town more than once a week. I don't get off the mountain more than maybe twice a year. |
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Posted: 7/14/2024 5:16:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By rb889: Basically. Raven concealment vanguard, or equivalent, just a kydex snap-on trigger guard with a lanyard attached for mexican IWB carry. Trigger guard pops off on the draw, snap it back on to re-holster. They even make light-bearing versions that are basically universal, great for this application. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By rb889: Originally Posted By towerofpower94: What’s the black thing between the kit and the Glock? Trigger guard cover so you can put the Glock in a mag pouch? Basically. Raven concealment vanguard, or equivalent, just a kydex snap-on trigger guard with a lanyard attached for mexican IWB carry. Trigger guard pops off on the draw, snap it back on to re-holster. They even make light-bearing versions that are basically universal, great for this application. Yup, this was a cheapish one I picked up off Amazon a while back, works great for this application. |
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Posted: 7/15/2024 8:55:23 AM EDT
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Ah, very good idea. Remember that FN dude at the SHOW awhile back?
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MI, USA
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Posted: 7/15/2024 4:16:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By marnsdorff: Ya, it's all a balancing act, pros and cons. Which is why I like the option of belt kit. AND full armor - I've got the full armor setup, all the 'cool guy HSLD' stuff. Which I basically never use, as I'm rural and have little need for it. Heck, I work from home and don't even get into my little rural town more than once a week. I don't get off the mountain more than maybe twice a year. Full armor and being able to fight in it is still important, but being able to patrol, recon, move out to LP/OPs and sustain yourself without becoming a heat casaulty is also important. Probably 90% of what civilians will do in a SHTF situation is going to be recon related as we attempt to gather intel and figure out what the Hell is going on so we can make smart choices. Direct Action type stuff is still a capabilty we want and it's a capability that takes a lot of training to have proficiency in so it can't be ignored, but yeah it's definitely not going to be the bulk of what most of our country folks do should the unthinkable happen. Big plus one for staying on your mountain. If I wasn't married I probably barely going into my little rural town. Hell, I'm trying to convince my wife to move to a island that is only accessible by ferry and has just 650 people on it with massive acres of woods. |
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Posted: 7/16/2024 7:41:54 AM EDT
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Suggest "location" be carefully considered. All is well until emergency medical services are required.
For instance, the "Survivalist Guru" Mel Tappan (RIP) died from a heart attack in part due to his remote location at the time. He was also quite overweight, and likely suffering from diabetes. It's a "balancing" act for all of us. |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 7/16/2024 11:10:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KaerMorhenResident: Probably 90% of what civilians will do in a SHTF situation is going to be Fixed it for you.
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NC, USA
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Posted: 7/16/2024 11:11:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By raf: Suggest "location" be carefully considered. All is well until emergency medical services are required. For instance, the "Survivalist Guru" Mel Tappan (RIP) died from a heart attack in part due to his remote location at the time. He was also quite overweight, and likely suffering from diabetes. It's a "balancing" act for all of us. I'd rather die on my mountain of a heart attack than live in the city or the suburbs. |
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Posted: 7/16/2024 11:14:23 AM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By raf: Suggest "location" be carefully considered. All is well until emergency medical services are required. For instance, the "Survivalist Guru" Mel Tappan (RIP) died from a heart attack in part due to his remote location at the time. He was also quite overweight, and likely suffering from diabetes. It's a "balancing" act for all of us. That's a major consideration for sure even for guys in excellent health. I've seen young guys in good shape go down as heat casualties, but luckily there was a whole support system of guys to help them and easily accessible medical care for them. Especially for heat casualty stuff you never know how that's going to impact someone. I remember I had a touch of heat stroke and it it hit me pretty suddenly and before I knew it I went from fine to vomiting after having tried to counter it by chugging gatoraid and getting dizzy followed by the worse headache I've ever had. That happened to me after a day of track practice in 100 degree heat back in high school and I was in top shape. |
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Posted: 7/16/2024 11:45:08 AM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KaerMorhenResident: That's a major consideration for sure even for guys in excellent health. I've seen young guys in good shape go down as heat casualties, but luckily there was a whole support system of guys to help them and easily accessible medical care for them. Especially for heat casualty stuff you never know how that's going to impact someone. I remember I had a touch of heat stroke and it it hit me pretty suddenly and before I knew it I went from fine to vomiting after having tried to counter it by chugging gatoraid and getting dizzy followed by the worse headache I've ever had. That happened to me after a day of track practice in 100 degree heat back in high school and I was in top shape. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KaerMorhenResident: Originally Posted By raf: Suggest "location" be carefully considered. All is well until emergency medical services are required. For instance, the "Survivalist Guru" Mel Tappan (RIP) died from a heart attack in part due to his remote location at the time. He was also quite overweight, and likely suffering from diabetes. It's a "balancing" act for all of us. That's a major consideration for sure even for guys in excellent health. I've seen young guys in good shape go down as heat casualties, but luckily there was a whole support system of guys to help them and easily accessible medical care for them. Especially for heat casualty stuff you never know how that's going to impact someone. I remember I had a touch of heat stroke and it it hit me pretty suddenly and before I knew it I went from fine to vomiting after having tried to counter it by chugging gatoraid and getting dizzy followed by the worse headache I've ever had. That happened to me after a day of track practice in 100 degree heat back in high school and I was in top shape. On finishing the parade, I was mystified at how "chilly" I felt, even while wearing the soaking wet wool coat--and tricorn hat. Fortunately, I realized what was happening, and took appropriate measures. |
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Posted: 7/17/2024 9:21:37 AM EDT
[Last Edit: raf]
[#33]
"Rain Shirts", anyone? And a lot more.
Outdoor Research Flash Sale; ends today (7/17/2024). See Allies Microgravity Jacket ETA: As of 0830 18 JULY, sale still ongoing see HERE |
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Posted: 7/17/2024 9:59:15 AM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By raf: "Rain Shirts", anyone? And a lot more. Outdoor Research Flash Sale; ends today (7/17/2024). See Allies Microgravity Jacket Thank you very much, I needed a new shell in ranger green. |
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Posted: 7/18/2024 12:30:53 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Shootindave: I will make a post on it as soon as I can. It is currently stored at a training location. (Aka I forgot it there) Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Shootindave: Originally Posted By towerofpower94: Originally Posted By Shootindave: Originally Posted By raf: Originally Posted By marnsdorff: I kick myself for selling all my ALICE packs years ago. The otherwise excellent Tactical Tailor ALICE frame is incapable of doing so, unfortunately. I live near "brackish" water, which means it is kinda salty. I have an MSR "Water-Maker" which will "make" fresh water out of full-salted ocean water. I need a way to transport a 5-gal can of "brackish" water to my place so I can use the "water-maker" to de-salinize the water. The ALICE pack frame, with "suitable" shoulder strap and waistbelt upgrades works well for that purpose. I have a 12V pump that can draw water from shallow sources, that is wired to run off my HF radio battery I will already have. I carry that in a small bag, that attaches to the Alice frame with cargo shelf, to hold the water can. Then i can processes the water away from the source. Would you mind posting up pics and details of that set up, here or in another thread? We have a small creek on our WV property and it gets pretty low if it hasn’t rained in a week. I have a gravity filter setup that would do well with the water, but collecting it 1/2 a cup at a time based on the shallow depth would be laborious, haha. Being able to pack along >5lbs of pump and tubing to fill a GI water can faster and easier would be nice. I will make a post on it as soon as I can. It is currently stored at a training location. (Aka I forgot it there) This may be what he's talking about. If not, its what I use and will talk about. Cana provisions |
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Posted: 7/19/2024 1:45:40 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2apatriot]
[#36]
I picked up one of the surplus USMC first aid kit pouches to try out on my belt kit that Mardsdorff made. I really like this pouch, its plenty big enough to hold a trauma kit, and have a little room to tuck some boo boo kit items in the back. Its actually a pretty great pouch and I think I'm going to pick up a few more because they're cheap. If it just had 2 zippers and some shock cord to keep it from opening all the way it would be perfect.
 Attached FileThis is to show how much it hangs over. The pouch is 3 columns wide, and I have it mounted on a 2 column space.  Attached File |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 7/19/2024 9:52:51 PM EDT
[#37]
Some of those surplus pouches are legit nice for the money.
How are those Dutch ammo pouches working out? Getting everything dialed in? |
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Posted: 7/19/2024 10:28:58 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By marnsdorff: Some of those surplus pouches are legit nice for the money. How are those Dutch ammo pouches working out? Getting everything dialed in? They work pretty good, but they are deep and the skirt on the top is really tall. It makes reloads slow. I thought about cutting the skirt from around the top on one since I have extras. I should take some pics tomorrow. I did some dryfire with the rig on today and walked about a mile on the treadmill. I really like it and the way I currently have it set up. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 7/20/2024 10:35:04 AM EDT
[#39]
Hey is anyone looking to make a purchase from Jay Jays in the UK in the near future and would be willing to order something for me and I can reimburse you? I need one of JayJays MOLLE Double Ammo Pouch sets, but I don't want to pay the shipping for just one item. I'd be happy to chip in on the shipping as well. Thanks in advance!
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Posted: 7/20/2024 10:57:42 AM EDT
[Last Edit: raf]
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 2apatriot: They work pretty good, but they are deep and the skirt on the top is really tall. It makes reloads slow. I thought about cutting the skirt from around the top on one since I have extras. I should take some pics tomorrow. I did some dryfire with the rig on today and walked about a mile on the treadmill. I really like it and the way I currently have it set up. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 2apatriot: Originally Posted By marnsdorff: Some of those surplus pouches are legit nice for the money. How are those Dutch ammo pouches working out? Getting everything dialed in? They work pretty good, but they are deep and the skirt on the top is really tall. It makes reloads slow. I thought about cutting the skirt from around the top on one since I have extras. I should take some pics tomorrow. I did some dryfire with the rig on today and walked about a mile on the treadmill. I really like it and the way I currently have it set up. Closed cell foam items (with drain hole punched into them) on bottom of pouch as appropriate. Can secure these items together (e6000 adhesive) and secure ensemble with sticky back Velcro also. Alternatively, more expensive "Ranger Plates" from Magpul can be used. If body of mag pouch is too loose for your application, wrap it (2x) with some shock cord, install a push-button barrel-lock adjuster, and adjust length of shock cord so that the shock cord prevents rattling of mags when ONE mag is removed from the pouch (2 mags still inside pouch), and trim shock cord accordingly. Install barrel lock adjuster, and tie ends of shock cord to prevent loss of barrel lock, which should wind up being off to the side of the pouch. @2apatriot |
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Posted: 7/20/2024 4:10:04 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2apatriot]
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By raf: You "might" consider using strips of sticky-back Velcro to secure the extension/skirt to the body of the pouch. One strip for the skirt; one strip for the body of the pouch. Both strips (male and female) as long as possible for best retention. Likely most easily done by turning entire pouch inside out first. Clean areas to which Velcro will be applied with alcohol first and allow to dry before installing Velcro. Your call on where to install male/female Velcro for when Velcro is disengaged, and "skirt" is fully deployed. Closed cell foam items (with drain hole punched into them) on bottom of pouch as appropriate. Can secure these items together (e6000 adhesive) and secure ensemble with sticky back Velcro also. Alternatively, more expensive "Ranger Plates" from Magpul can be used. If body of mag pouch is too loose for your application, wrap it (2x) with some shock cord, install a push-button barrel-lock adjuster, and adjust length of shock cord so that the shock cord prevents rattling of mags when ONE mag is removed from the pouch (2 mags still inside pouch), and trim shock cord accordingly. Install barrel lock adjuster, and tie ends of shock cord to prevent loss of barrel lock, which should wind up being off to the side of the pouch. @2apatriot Thanks for the idea, for now I just folded them down and I'll do so dry practice to see how they work. I also definitely need to add the shock cord too.  Attached FileThis mag is sitting on top of the other mags for reference. I didn't have any kind of ruler or tape handy.  Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 7/20/2024 6:25:31 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 2apatriot: Thanks for the idea, for now I just folded them down and I'll do so dry practice to see how they work. I also definitely need to add the shock cord too. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/361805/IMG_4021_jpeg-3272186.JPG This mag is sitting on top of the other mags for reference. I didn't have any kind of ruler or tape handy. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/361805/IMG_4022_jpeg-3272189.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/361805/IMG_4023_jpeg-3272190.JPG Oh man, those have a drawstring liner in them - the ones I got didn't come with that. Weird. Try putting a little block of hard foam or some other non-water absorbing material that's lightweight under the mags, pushing them up a little. Definitely add shock cord - should be easy enough to add a piece of webbing across the back between the molle, with a loop on both end. Then sew that piece of webbing down along the outer edge seam of the pouch. You wouldn't need to sew much there, as the webbing would be one piece. Then you could jerry-rig a similar bungie cinch system as what the Diz rig has. It'd be pretty easy to do. I can send you pictures of how to do it. If you can get the mags to sit up a little right and add bungie to those, they look like they'd work fine. |
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Posted: 7/21/2024 9:16:05 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Diz]
[#43]
Wow, now that's what I call design by committee, and specifically the Sgt Maj, the Supply Sgt, and Supply Officer. And probably a bean-counter in there somewhere. Who in the fuck else would put a fucking skirt around your mags!? Not that you might want to get one of them out of there, in a hurry, nooooo; you have to make sure the troops don't lose any and they stay nice n clean. Fuckin' Dutch. Jeez.
For the love of God, cut those fucking things out of there man! |
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Posted: 7/21/2024 10:03:58 AM EDT
[#44]
"For the love of God, cut those fucking things out of there man!" Diz
Certainly, an alternative but my inclination is to attempt to avoid irreversibly modifying gear, if that path makes sense for the user. |
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Posted: 7/21/2024 1:00:58 PM EDT
[#45]
I almost told him to cut out the drawstring liner, but I think he eventually wants to replace the ammo pouches with nicer ones in the future, so I didn't want to say that.
If you do decide to keep them, I would cut out that liner for sure. |
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Posted: 7/21/2024 1:25:22 PM EDT
[#46]
I have 6 of them and I think they were only $15 for 2 so I might as well try cutting it out and see how it goes.
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Posted: 7/21/2024 2:00:33 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 2apatriot: I have 6 of them and I think they were only $15 for 2 so I might as well try cutting it out and see how it goes. Just take your time and go slow. It doesn't need to be perfect. |
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Posted: 7/22/2024 2:21:51 PM EDT
[Last Edit: raf]
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By marnsdorff: Just take your time and go slow. It doesn't need to be perfect. |
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Posted: 7/22/2024 3:55:10 PM EDT
[Last Edit: wsix]
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By marnsdorff: Try putting a little block of hard foam or some other non-water absorbing material that's lightweight under the mags, pushing them up a little. . I'd put something useful under it myself. Socks, a balaclava, can of sardines, whatever. We used to put tabs on magazines made of 550 cord, 100mph tape, etc. |
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Posted: 7/22/2024 4:19:14 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By raf: ALICE packs easy to obtain. Decent GI ALICE pack frames also. The thing is, as I've mentioned before along with others, is that only GI Alice pack frames have the capability, with auxiliary GI metal shelves, to tote large objects like 5-gal water/fuel cans and multiple ammo cans. All these items require suitable horizontal securing straps. The otherwise excellent Tactical Tailor ALICE frame is incapable of doing so, unfortunately. I live near "brackish" water, which means it is kinda salty. I have an MSR "Water-Maker" which will "make" fresh water out of full-salted ocean water. I need a way to transport a 5-gal can of "brackish" water to my place so I can use the "water-maker" to de-salinize the water. The ALICE pack frame, with "suitable" shoulder strap and waistbelt upgrades works well for that purpose. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By raf: Originally Posted By marnsdorff: I kick myself for selling all my ALICE packs years ago. The otherwise excellent Tactical Tailor ALICE frame is incapable of doing so, unfortunately. I live near "brackish" water, which means it is kinda salty. I have an MSR "Water-Maker" which will "make" fresh water out of full-salted ocean water. I need a way to transport a 5-gal can of "brackish" water to my place so I can use the "water-maker" to de-salinize the water. The ALICE pack frame, with "suitable" shoulder strap and waistbelt upgrades works well for that purpose. What do you guys use with the shelf for padding? The frame beats on my bones when it's just straps and a shelf. |
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